ok he's not alone with children, but he sees them in a different way to other adults he should not be allowed to watch them dance, and i assume making profit from the organisation.people who download things is illegal and people who do this don't necessarily physically offend but the desire is there. -- For the love of the dance

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Date Posted: Tue, Sep 18 2007, 16:43:23
Author: very dodgy area
Subject: ok he's not alone with children, but he sees them in a different way to other adults he should not be allowed to watch them dance, and i assume making profit from the organisation.people who download things is illegal and people who do this don't necessarily physically offend but the desire is there.
In reply to: MOD 's message, "As requested by several people I have removed a post regarding exams being held by the WIDA, as it appears the head of this organisation was convicted in the USA of child abuse. I wanted the post to stay initially as I know there have been people who had considered this organisation and untill they saw the information posted on here did not know of the history of the head of WIDA. Inside are all the replies that were recieved at the time." on Sun, Sep 16 2007, 19:37:30

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[> Irishdaz you have the WIDA advertised on your own website do you not think that you should now remove the details as all this has come to light as the mod of this board has, I understand that it may affect the others in the Federation but we do have confirmation that he is head of the organisation? -- parent, Tue, Sep 18 2007, 17:56:26 [1]

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[> [> No I don't. The organisation is not Sean Gavan. I have been fully aware of his personal history since it happened. I do not support him as an individual, but I do support the other teachers and dancers of WIDA and any other Irish dance organisation. I do not promote any one over any other. WIDA have the right to exist just as any other federation. The fact that you and I do not like paedophiles llike Mr Gavan does not change that. to Someone once said " I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" I believe in Freedom of speech and do not accept that censorship is the right way forwards. I do not like what the man is, vbut that has nothing to do with the other people who make up WIDA. The governing bodies of the other organisations that have affiliated themselves with WIDA have obviously taken a similar view as they also knew Mr Gavan's history beforehand -- Irishdaz, Tue, Sep 18 2007, 20:09:41 [1]

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[> [> [> you are correct you have the freedom of speech Irishdaz but you shouldnt have the right to advertise a children molesters federation anyway we can't do a lot about your site thank god the mod here is more sensible, if Sean Gavan was not president of the federation the WIDA would not be an issue -- parent, Tue, Sep 18 2007, 21:36:55 [1]

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[> [> [> [> you say "if Sean Gavan was not president of the federation the WIDA would not be an issue". That is my point. It is not a federation of child molesters, even if it was originally set up by one. There will almostr certainly be paedophiles involved in every federation. If you were told that senior regional council members, or CLRG members were child molesters would you be calling for CLRG posts to be removed from the board? I doubt it very much as you would be saying it's not the federations fault. I am not defending my own freedom of speech as you seem to suggest, but rather the right of the organisation (I stress NOT the man) to advertise -- Irishdaz, Wed, Sep 19 2007, 9:15:52 [1]

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[> [> [> [> [> It's not only "originally set up by a paedophile", he is still running it, making rules, is present at the comps. If a convict was the HEAD and FOUNDER of CLRG, yes I would ignore the org as long as he is in charge. But it's not, and CLRG kicked him out. Do not let your experience with CLRG cloud your judgement, it's not them who are the bad guys here, it's WIDA who keeps him in charge. If you commit a crime, your life changes no matter how talented you are. You can be a master painter but if you kill somebody, you can only paint in jail. You can be a gifted dance teacher, but if you molest a child you can no longer be among children and your privacy is gone. You should have thought about it before the deed not ignore the consequences. At WIDA open platform comps there are young dancers from other orgs who have a convict sitting right next to them in the audience or shaking their hands. Say what you want, this is not right. As long as he is in charge yes it is his org's fault -- they should get rid of him to come clear, Wed, Sep 19 2007, 11:00:53 [1]

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[> [> [> [> [> [> you are so wrong Irishdaz at the end of the day you are defending and advertising a organisation ran by a child molester however you put it that is a fact, you should for the sake of all children stop advertising the website until this man is gone from the organisation I know you wont change your mind but you are putting children at risk by helping this person, I have shown some people where I work these discussions (that are nothing to do with Irish Dancing) and they cannot believe that anyone would associate themselves with such a person in any way, they were horrified and I must admit it is an real eye opener for me. -- parent, Wed, Sep 19 2007, 20:11:40 [1]

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