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Date Posted: 10:53:38 05/02/01 Wed
In reply to:
's message, "Re: Don't like your grades? Shoot the teacher!" on 09:57:40 05/02/01 Wed
I read some more stories about some tykes blasting
away at their school again (after all, its Wednesday.
Isn't that designated Shoot Up Your School Day?), so I
wanted to revisit the gun topic and try to get some debate cooking in here again. I'm not talking about violence in general. I'm talking about violence involving guns.
What purpose to guns have in society? As Anthony said, to bock before being bocked? I read somewhere that if you try to pull iron one some turd that is trying to stick you up, you have a higher chance of getting a spark put through you than if you didn't have one. I unfortunately don't have the sources in front of me to quote from, but I've heard that statistic rolled out more than a few times.
I'm sure criminals will still get guns somehow. But is
it right to say, "well, we can't control it. I know! Let's legalize it so we can collect taxes on it!"? Shhhh. Don't let Dubya hear anyone say that though. If he does, this country will have more vices for sale than a hardware store.
"I wouldn't be so naive as to say a lack of a specific type of weapon will lesson violent crimes." No? So we just ignore the problem and let people continue blasting away at each other? I read a story yesterday on Reuters that a nun was accidentially caught in a crossfire while walking down the street. A nun! Would she have gotten a shot up if there weren't guns? Would those two Columbine turds have killed a dozen or so of their classmates if they only had baseball bats or machetes? It's naive to just say, "well, we can't solve the problem and people will always get guns on the black market if they become illegal, so we'll just ignore the problem, blame it on human nature, and let people just go on killing each other. After all, if we outlaw guns, we'll put all of the companies that make the chalk that is used to make chalk outlines out of business. Why don't we make flamethrowers and anti-tank weapons legal, too? After all, people will just get the stuff on the black market, right?
Sexual and physical abuse of women is a terrible thing, but I tell you what, I'd rather have it where a man's only choice is to go Ike Turner on some girl and slap her ass down the stairs than having the readily available option of shooting her. If guns are illegal, chances are that your average law-abiding joe won't keep an illegal piece in the house. And that means that little Johnny won't come home from school pissed off because someone stole his Pokemon cards, pick up his dad's Glock, and go start firing away at people. I can't put it any clearer: guns have no productive role in society. Do each of us have to be involved in our own personal arms race where we each have to have bigger and badder guns than the next guy? People want to have guns for protection? Carry that gun around with you at all times, do ya? Or if some jackass stops you on the street for your walley, you're good enough with it that you can outdraw him and punch a hole in him before he turns you into a 6:00 news story fatality? Or if someone is in your home stealing all your shit, you'll pull out your gun and go downstairs to do battle with the guy? Like the dude from Falling Down said, "what kind of vigilante are you?"
Your women analogies make no sense. "Or how 'bout we rip out a women's clit with a pair of rusty pliers to keep her from being unfaithful because she will lose the desire to fornicate with another man other than her husband." I'm sorry, but this is the most absurd argument that I've ever had. OK, going by this analogy, a woman's clit is the gun, metaphorically speaking. The clit, as you so delicately called it, is what is driving women to be unfaithful, so following your logic, a gun is what drives these people to violence? Well, if that is the case, and since guns, unlike clits, do not serve any productive role in society, why not get rid of them? Agreed that mutilating a woman is barbaric. But isn't just going along with you life letting people continue killing each other just as barbaric? So what do we do about it? Just ignore the problem? Have you ever had some piece of shit pull iron on you? I have. And it makes you feel helpless and it sucks. Say there was a product on the market called a "bitch beater" and all it was used for was to beat women. "Damnit woman, dinner isn't ready," *blam*. Wouldn't people be clamoring to get rid of it? And people would say, "but it should be my constitutional right to have the means to beat my bitch!" "my forefathers rose up against oppression and beat their bitches, so why can't I!?" Doesn't this sound rediculous? Well, that's what guns do. They give people a means to kill each other. We can get into the whole hunting rifle argument on another day. I'm talking about your .357, Glock 9mms, and all of that good shit that people use to poke holes in each other. Violence will always persist in society. Hell, I saw that episode of Faces of Death where all the monkeys beat the other monkey to death with hammers. People are violent by nature. But guns have the sole purpose of killing people. Yes, people will still kill each other with crowbars, tire irons, knives, bats, and all that other good stuff. So that means we should just persist with letting people keep their guns? I could even agree to allow people to keep their guns, and simply enforce a death penalty punishment on people that are involved in a crime using a gun. Even if that means sticking your piece under some granny's nose for her walker and social security check. You pull a gun on a woman and rape her, electric chair (and you should have your slim jim taken off first.) I don't care if you pistol whip your mom for not letting you take the car: execution.
We all played Doom and listened to Mr Bungle when we
were growing up and I don't think any (well, most) of
us grew up to be bad people. Sure we might have that
token whack job who grows up to collect guns and runs
around screaming "you want whores?" while doing lines
of dippy do with some wanker who is so junked out that
he thinks he can fly. The FTC just released some big
paper on how television and movies and magazines and
music is rotting kids brains like pixi dust and
sody-pop rots out little Nick's teeth.
I can't give you stats about the Brits, but I actually DO check out the BBC every day, and I don't see the news stories about blokes killing each other like I do here. Maybe violence is on the rise in Jolly Ol' England and we don't hear about it since the BBC is a national news service (CNN rarely goes into every single murder across the country).
When I asked "Is there a correlation between no guns and a lack of violence?" I meant are there less gun-related deaths in countries where guns are illegal?
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