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Date Posted: 19:52:59 07/19/07 Thu
Author: Jubellant
Subject: I agree with you here but think Frank's reaction was more of a knee jerk one that no one hits his wife. You touch my wife and you answer to me. Unfortunately this approach did undermine what Denise was trying to accomplish here. What she didn't need was someone rescuing her on a white horse. She needed to gain the respect of her son herself. Just as she is now forcing Frank to do.
In reply to: Jennifer 's message, "I think to a certain extent Jeremy was treating his mother as father did...not from the physical abuse standpoint, but from the standpoint that she's really a NONEITY & she's just a woman so who cares what her opinions are. That part of Frank rubbed off on Jeremy, & he like Frank totally disregarded Denise, thought of her as a subordinate (since his Dad was gone Jeremy was man of the house thereby assuming Frank's role in the family) & he didn't respect his mother one iota. That he learned from Frank....but Denise stood up to Jeremy (I wish she would've smacked him back however LOL) & like I said, when Frank got home he made it ALL ABOUT him. Inside..." on 19:06:18 07/19/07 Thu


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Then we're in agreement Jubellant because I don't think that Jeremy needs sympathy either. I think he needs treatment before he goes to basic training and learns even more ways to hurt people when he's angry. I'm afraid he's going to get himself and maybe others killed. And Denise will blame Frank for tossing him out of both of their lives against her protests, and making Jeremy feel like he needed to enlist, when Jeremy was about to become an architect. I think also that Denise was so forgiving of Jeremy because deep down she knew where his frustration came from. -- Theresa, 21:20:04 07/19/07 Thu [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> You make a very interesting point with respect to Denise and her knowing where Jeremy's frustration comes from. She probably feels she attracted and fascilitated the abuse by being weak and letting herself be treated like a doormat. -- Jubellant, 01:49:59 07/20/07 Fri [1]


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