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Date Posted: 20:59:15 07/19/07 Thu
Author: Theresa
Subject: I think it's looking too deep to say he did it to get back at his dad. When people are in a rage and they just snap, they don't plot and plan. Every time he hit his mother he was frustrated and couldn't hold his anger back. He can't stand the way his father controls him, and by extension gets incredibly angry when he feels like no one is listening and people are taking his father's side. His mother has always taken his father's side, not realizing that he doesn't want to be anything like his father. So he gets angry and smacks her. Not to get back at dad, but to take out the frustration on the closest and weakest person. Who, by extension of the situation is at least half to blame for his frustration. He just needs to control his temper. He went with instinct without intellect.
In reply to: Kristen 's message, "Let's change the situation up: Let's say Frank's chopper hadnt gone down. What would have happened w. Jeremy and Denise then? My thoughts are inside b.c it was too long LOL....." on 19:05:55 07/19/07 Thu


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[> [> I think your teminology of frustration is smack on Theresa and so much of what you stated rings true. He could have yelled at his mother to vent his frustation, broken every dish in the house or smacked a wall. The fact he used his mother as a punching back is VERY disturbing. I was with you on this until I read he just needs to control his temper. Maybe the word just seemed to tivialize the problem though I know it wasn't the intent meant here.What instict says to strike a defenseless person? -- Jube, 01:05:36 07/20/07 Fri [1]


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[> [> [> As you can see I pressed the enter key early. I mean terminology, and trivialize, and instinct. I'm not using my computer and the keys tend to stick a bit. Sorry! -- Jubellent, 01:08:56 07/20/07 Fri [1]


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[> [> [> [> Lots of people instinctually want to smack someone. Who doesn't at one time or another? Especially if it's someone who is supposed to be on your side and they seem like they're not. Boiling it down to a simple "he needs to control his temper" doesn't make it trivial, it's just boiled down to the basic element. If he controlled his temper he never would have hurt her. It's a basic thing, that is damned difficult to do for some people. -- Theresa, 08:36:43 07/20/07 Fri [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> I hear what you are saying but we are not talking about a smack here. We are talking about real physical aggression intent on hurting his Mom! I'd hate to be the one to accidently cut this guy off on the road. -- Jubellant, 13:56:33 07/20/07 Fri [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> I wouldn't want to meet him in a dark alley either when he's angry and out of control. His instincts are primal without plotting. He flies off the handle with little regard and no control. I know a lot of people like that, and they need help. And we are talking about a smack here. He back handed his mother. Before that he'd just grabbed her. He lost his temper and few off the handle out of frustration. The last time he hurt her he was trying to tell her something and she was opposing him so he forcefully shut her up. He has no control, but pretty normal primal urges. He needs to control those urges and his temper. -- Theresa, 15:02:51 07/20/07 Fri [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> That's for sure. Many say that the abuser is really a nice guy/gal when not enraged about something. Often alcohol is in the mix as well though not necessarily in Jeremy's case. Maybe I'm wrong for coming down so hard on Jeremy and should point the finger at his parents instead for letting his rage (frustration?) go unnoticed to the point that it finally led him to act out. -- Jubellant, 15:16:49 07/20/07 Fri [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> You make a good point because alcohol tends to strip a person's reasoning and inhibitions and cause them to react only with primal instinct. Which is exactly what Jeremy was doing. -- Theresa, 15:38:32 07/20/07 Fri [1]


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