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Date Posted: 11:55:20 09/26/08 Fri
Author: Michael
Subject: Re: Time Monks
In reply to: iteo 's message, "Re: Time Monks" on 10:50:21 09/26/08 Fri

" but personally I do enjoy entertaining these ideas"

thats the point - its entertainment, as opposed to spiritual - and its done in the guise, if not the name of, spiritual practice.

i have no opinion on your own experience of course. However I would suggest, based on my own very limited experience and (more importantly) the teachings of those people I DO trust, these sort of things do not bring one any closer to whatever you want to call it - Self Realisation, God Realisation, Liberation, Nirvana, Heaven.

That should be the goal of spiritual practice, getting caught up in all this 'entertainment' is fine. Its like stopping off to watch a film whilst being on your way to somewhere. You want to break your spiritual journey for soem entertainment, fine, but i would suggest you dont confuse this sort of stuff with spirituality, or get the idea that it in any way helps your spiritual development.

As to the 'explanation' that they dont get very clear info due to the way the info is diffused blah, blah blah - sorry, classic style of excuse. Heard that and similar many times - too many times.

You say you dont beleive it, just keep an open mind, yet you spread it. That would suggest that you place some credence in these claims.

I would go further and say EVEN IF they had these 'powers' to see into the future etc WERE true, so what? In what way would it help my spirtual development? In what way does it help me go within, gain control over my mind and establish eternal peace inside?

The 'credit crunch' was predicted by many for several years. ive seen many reports stating it in various ways.

I could claim 'powers'. The night that Aeroflot plane crashed I said (and it worked out to be about 2-3 hours before) that Aeroflot planes were dangerous as they had a tendency to fall out of the sky.

Now, 99% would say that is just coincidence (and be right). I do know some people so wrapped in all this stuff that they would even go along and tell me I DO have special powers and im just in denial of them.

Its all just a huge wste of effort and energy that could be better spend on spiritual practice.

>>My main concerns with all this stuff is:
>>
>>1. It takes people AWAY from spiritual practice and
>>into fortune telling, astrology, crystals,
>>palm-reading, levitation, etc etc etc and all the fake
>>'spiritual powers' that people claim to have. This
>>encourages others to try to develop them, and does the
>>ego no good.
>>
>>2. It encourages a journey outward, when a spiritual
>>journey should be inward.
>
>
>For me the path to understanding can take all forms -
>there is no definite method - if you're on the
>spiritual path, then anything, even the most
>unexpected thing, can take you further on that path as
>long as you're not so desperately wanting to believe
>in something that you latch on to the first thing that
>seems true.
>
>I never would have thought that reading a prophecy
>would trigger an enlightenment experience - so while
>the experience was internal, it was triggered from
>something on the outside.
>
>Now you may not believe I had the experience I claim
>to have had, but I at least know I did and so it
>affects my path greatly. I used to think the only
>worthwhile path (if there was a path at all) was
>meditation.
>
>However, I now realize that certain path so I use the
>tools at my disposal, namely reading and listening to
>others - BUT - I don't "believe" anything, not even
>these guys.
>
>I simply take it all in, which is how I've always
>operated. I never believe, but personally I do enjoy
>entertaining these ideas.
>
>And in defense of these guys, they aren't telling
>anyone to believe them - if you listen to them (the
>entire broadcast) I think you might have a different
>opinion of their motives. I am sure they're sincere -
>but that doesn't mean they're correct. All I am saying
>is that the things they are predicting are very close
>to what I have also been expecting (and it's pretty
>far out stuff)
>
>also - they explain why they are so vague - the data
>they read is expressed as emotional streams of
>humanity via the Internet - and his software picks up
>on this chatter.
>
>Ultimately they admit they've interpreted the data
>incorrectly before - but all in all they say that they
>have been amazed at the overall accuracy.
>
>As I said, I for one just take it all in because I am
>certain that these methods are plausible - but I
>refrain from "believing" any single claim or idea
>
>I think ideas and even books can lead to understanding
>and enlightenment - but the ideas themselves are never
>complete truth and should never, ever, be "believed" -
>truth is never found in a belief IMHO

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Replies:

Re: Time Monks -- iteo, 13:48:10 09/26/08 Fri
- Re: Time Monks -- Paul, 15:43:28 09/26/08 Fri
  - Re: Time Monks -- iteo, 16:13:31 09/26/08 Fri
    - Re: Time Monks -- Michael, 20:24:22 09/26/08 Fri
      - Re: Time Monks -- iteo, 22:06:45 09/26/08 Fri
        Re: Time Monks -- Michael, 20:12:30 09/27/08 Sat
        Re: Time Monks -- iteo, 09:09:08 09/28/08 Sun
        Re: Time Monks -- Michael, 01:11:59 09/29/08 Mon
        Re: Time Monks -- Organ Morgan (The Infidel), 05:01:20 09/29/08 Mon
        Re: Time Monks -- iteo, 09:12:14 09/29/08 Mon
        Re: Time Monks -- Organ Morgan, 11:40:54 09/29/08 Mon
        Re: Time Monks -- iteo, 12:12:37 09/29/08 Mon
        Re: Time Monks -- michael, 16:21:02 09/29/08 Mon
        Re: Time Monks -- iteo, 19:11:20 09/29/08 Mon
        Re: Time Monks -- Michael, 01:16:25 09/30/08 Tue