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Miss Ohio Chat
Discussion of Miss Ohio America Program, Miss Ohio Volunteer, & updates on Miss OH USA.
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Subject: Do you see how you started and are escalating the negativity against Caroline? You hype her up, then claim anyone who disagrees with you is wrong. When someone *politely* disagrees with you, you respond "Frankly I don’t care if you agree with my assessment", then complain we're discussing girls we barely know, as embarrassing. Honey, this is a pageant discussion board. We are here to assess and discuss the contestants' stage performances & qualities for the title. We 'barely know' the contestants in the same manner that the judges and the general public does, not in the close manner that you do. This is what others see. You're taking this personally for her, attacking others, which opens her up to attack.

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You start with "WOMP WOMP" then have the nerve say "(we’re) just being disrespectful"!
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Date Posted: 14:32:20 06/11/23 Sun

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Subject: When do you personally think it’s time for girls to hang up their Tippy Tops? This isn’t a question about any specific girl. They get to choose for themselves. I’m saying in general, if you were competing, when do you think it’s time to stop? Is it when you graduate college, age out, get engaged, etc. My personal thought is when you are no longer growing as a contestant but I want to hear what others think.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:31:38 06/01/23 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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When you realize Oliveri controls who wins. (NT) -- No name, 16:25:03 06/03/23 Sat Agreed. How can a girl see the finish line when they know you can’t even run in a fair race! (NT) -- No name, 21:11:00 06/03/23 Sat Last year was finally a fair choice. Let's see if Oliveri can stay out of the judges room again this year! Last year was the first year he did not select the judges. (NT) -- No name, 11:48:27 06/05/23 Mon Sheri Hoselton has been the Judges Chair for 45 years, so if you said she didn't select the judges in 2021, who did? imo Betta didn't win because Oliveri was finally 'fair'. She won because her talent was fantastic & counted 50% & comps were 25%. The combo of Lora's controversial win the year prior & Betta coming from a pageant family dynasty made it impossible for him to fix it without a real-time revolt. With the new scoring, fixing it is nothin. (NT) -- why did Madison show up to forum in a feathered cocktail dress circa 1995?, 19:33:33 06/05/23 Mon The issue is still Steven. During Jay Jesensky's administration the correct winner was chosen. Once Miss Ohio was given back to Steven, the shredder was back in use again. (NT) -- No name, 18:42:37 06/06/23 Tue What happened to Jay? I thought he was great! (NT) -- No name, 10:44:22 06/07/23 Wed Steven's time on the board was up and he was going to have to sit out for 3 years before getting back in. He went to Sam Haskel with false claims to have that board removed. Sam Haskel sent out a request for RFPs and gave Miss Ohio back to Steven. (NT) -- No name, 09:13:58 06/10/23 Sat Oliveri would boost revenue by stringing out high performing girls. Each time they returned, they would sell thousands of dollars in ads so they could pick their competition placement in hopes of gaining an advantage. Typically the 3 girls who got to pick their spots sold $5,000 & up. Hold a girl back 2-5 times = $10,000 to $30,000 or more, not counting the extra ticket sales for a 3-4 day competition and the afterparty that a committed competitor brings in. (NT) -- No name, 18:18:12 06/07/23 Wed I don’t disagree about Steven. That’s 100% but supposedly Robin Fleming is going to be at Miss Ohio and that may tie his hands this year. We can only hope she tells him he’s being replaced while she’s there. She’s personally active on social media including the chat that Charmae was talking about how he made Greater Cleveland’s winners randomized. I’m sure she’s heard more than that about Steven so let’s hope this is the end of the road for him. (NT) -- No name, 16:51:43 06/07/23 Wed

Subject: Since forum was today, does anyone know who bought in and what is the contestant order? Are any of the buy ins actual contenders?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:50:57 04/01/23 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I don’t know the order but here is everyone competing as a Miss. (NT) -- No name, 10:54:51 04/02/23 Sun Do the at-large girls get 'mentors' like sweeps girls did? (NT) -- No name, 16:11:50 04/02/23 Sun They are now called “direct entry” and saying that sweeps girls had mentors is like saying Steven is a fair and competent ED. Some girls had more mentoring than others. I’m sure the same will apply with the direct entries. At least the sweeps girls had to compete. Many of these girls have no idea what’s going on and have about 10 ½ weeks to get completely prepared. (NT) -- No name, 16:58:32 04/02/23 Sun (NT) -- No name, 16:37:33 04/02/23 Sun 24 contestants. A few changes. They actually turned away some girls because 24 was all they could house. Who knows? Betta worked her tail off to get new faces to the competition and the directors are willing to help the at large girls. It was really positive and will be a good competition. (NT) -- No name, 18:18:39 04/02/23 Sun I 100% believe that they didn’t have more than 12 host homes and they turned some of the willing to pay’s away. I also agree that Betta has worked her butt off as Miss Ohio in every possible way. She’s been a far better Miss Ohio than Steven and crew deserve. I love the changes and seems Miss America is moving back to 1.0 (so pretty, thin, smart and talented wins). Hopefully Steven will be gone soon along with his shenanigans. Let’s be honest though, it’s going to be a T5 of MOSP vets just like always. At least 7/10 of T10 will be vets. None of the willing to pay’s will place unless they are also willing to pay for people’s choice too. Ultimately the vet that wins will be Steven’s handpicked winner and it probably won’t be either of the two that will age out. (NT) -- No name, 19:12:27 04/02/23 Sun You seem confident the winner will be picked and be a vet; who do you think it will be? (NT) -- No name, 00:28:40 04/03/23 Mon Steven wants someone with deep pockets that won't rock the boat (NT) -- No name, 17:44:08 04/03/23 Mon If Steven wasn't picking it would be Jayleen because she is the best in all areas of competition and still a vet. Sadly since she was MOV and she has a personality and opinion I don't think Steven wants her so I think it will be Madison or Via. I'd have said Madison 9 mos ago but Via has worked really hard this year to turn herself into her own version of Betta so it might be her. I think her family has deeper pockets too. She's also been making a ton of connections this past year. I hope the girls that are good but somehow fall short year after year will give it up after this year unless we have a change in state leadership. Don't bother going to Volunteer either. After seeing most of their girls come back here (except the blackballed two) I'm guessing the grass isn't greener. (NT) -- No name, 19:33:43 04/03/23 Mon Two things to note; With the change with MA look for beauty being important with that being said should be Baylee. Second; contestants will continue to go back and forth with MO and MOV why not more scholarship money (NT) -- No name, 22:16:03 04/03/23 Mon You’re spreading misinformation to push your bias against Volunteer. Saying most Volunteer girls have come back to MO is false, so it’s invalid to surmise they've rejected Volunteer. Of the 8 Vol contestants, you say two were blackballed at MO. That may be true for Emily Fields, but Ava chose to leave the MAO bc she knew everyone was cheated in 2021. That leaves 6 girls. Caroline can't 'come back' bc she's never competed at MO- 5. Rachel R and Alexis Miller aren’t competing at MO- 3. So ONE girl from Volunteer is a retuning MO veteran- Ivy and she strikes me as just liking to compete in pageants, rather than choosing sides. (NT) -- No name, 12:28:12 04/05/23 Wed The grass IS greener at Volunteer. Can promise you that. The girls that jump back and forth are jumping when they think it would be "easy" to win. The girls who actually care about a program will stay where they feel their values align, no matter what the system is. (NT) -- No name, 16:34:59 04/23/23 Sun "It was really positive... for who? "and will be a good competition... For 23 girls. One girl won't be competing. (NT) -- No name, 19:28:28 04/03/23 Mon Who won’t be competing? (NT) -- No name, 22:35:08 04/03/23 Mon The girl SO picks to win. (NT) -- No name, 12:33:52 04/05/23 Wed The atmosphere was positive and encouraging for the new changes. This competition is anyones game with the different percentages in scoring,etc… talent does not decide it. Neither does experience. Will be a great competition. (NT) -- No name, 20:49:37 04/05/23 Wed "This competition is anyones game..." is exactly the perception SO wants. The new scoring makes it much, much easier to coverup manipulation of results. We just saw him do this less than a month ago at Cleveland. The Cleveland ED posted on a LED board that he interjected himself into the auditors duties and instructed them to award the titles HIS way. (NT) -- And then there's what they've always hidden behind, "You didn't see interview.", 08:52:41 04/06/23 Thu The question was, positive for whom? Are you saying this as a contestant? Parent? LED? Or as a state Volunteer??? (NT) -- No name, 08:54:55 04/06/23 Thu Are we completely sure they turned girls down? I know a former competitor that got an Instagram solicitation from Betta, a local director, AND a coach about buying in a couple days before forum. (NT) -- No name, 07:55:04 04/07/23 Fri Steven always selects. Honestly, it will be much of the same unless new leadership at the top sweeps in and gets rid of the current board. If not, Madison Miller will be Miss Ohio….won’t Buck the system at all. He was stupid to anger Greater Cleveland crew, as she’s the last ED that REALLY cares and contributes. I do wonder if she addresses him (outside of the FB rant). Either way, that will hurt her girls OR help, by trying to win her back to diffuse her anger. (NT) -- No name, 20:59:41 04/02/23 Sun It is so sad that the treatment of Greater Cleveland girls would be impacted by something they did not do!!! (NT) -- No name, 00:25:05 04/03/23 Mon Agree… (NT) -- No name, 02:13:49 04/03/23 Mon So will it be Via , Baylee, Madison or if Steven doesn’t chose Jaylene? Who knows it could be anyone! (NT) -- No name, 12:55:32 04/16/23 Sun Stephanie F l, a buy in, is arrogant, full of herself and definitely thinks she’s winning. A few conversations with her and she isn’t as smart as she thinks (NT) -- No name, 20:58:33 05/28/23 Sun What the intimidated see as arrogance, judges see as confidence. Newbie energy is an undeniable advantage. (NT) -- Sounds like she's bringing a Lora C vibe, and it worked for her, 08:47:08 05/29/23 Mon Stephanie is a beautiful girl and it appears that she has a good talent. She also is thin which will help with fitness. The unknowns are always the unknowns though. We don’t know if she interviews well. We also don’t know what her wardrobe will be like. That’s an advantage the vets have. They know what to wear (or should.) Megan Riehl is the one that seems overly confident but maybe for good reason. (NT) -- No name, 17:22:51 06/01/23 Thu

Subject: Miss Ohio USA 2023 Results:
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:24:53 05/20/23 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Thoughts on the Miss Ohio intros- first half
Author: I'll do the others later this week. [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:39:51 05/14/23 Sun Just saw they had posted the girls introducing themselves (from Forum?) on FB. A lovely group of girls and nice to see some new contestants. A few thoughts... Miss Greater Columbus Stephanie Finoti- Great look, confident voice but can tell she's a little in her head by the body movement. Take a moment, think 'calm', deliver. That's a dress that compliments her coloring and shape but isn't overwhelming, so her face shines through. Please please please keep this hair for Miss Ohio!! Miss Greater Butler Co Caroline Trennepohl- Great hair. You can tell it's her crowning glory but (I've seen) it overwhelms her tiny frame, so all you see is 'hair girl', not her. I'd advise to cut it to her armpits, where it's proportional with her body, but girls value length. Faded away at the end. Miss Southwestern Ohio Brenna Geyer- Lovely. A bit of color would really bring out her sparkling eyes & smile, perhaps a pastel? As long as it works with her hair color/skin tone. She seems so sincere. I would love to interview someone so earnest! Miss Greater Cleveland Autumn Kessler- That color is so amazingly pretty on her. The cinched waist with the puffy arms adds pounds, but it may be fine in person (and the skirt to balance). It has to be a bitch to iron, lol! Kudos. Heavy starch on the midriff will help. But that color... perfection. Miss Clayland Caitlin Seifert- Wow. SO confident! She's in it to win it and Clayland preps. If she brings this attitude to interview, she's seriously in contention. Don't know the newbie talent, but I think she'll win talent in her group if she brings that same confidence to talent, which on a bad day scores 8-9. Miss Portsmouth Emily Legenza- Another confident and likable girl! She's got all the right messaging, which still matters for the promotion of the program. And she's a nice girl (with a very supportive family). Miss Heart of Ohio Bryn Hasenaur- She wins most engaging. And she owned her space. Loved the color of the dress with her hair. I'm not big on cocktail dresses for interview, but I think this one could pass. It's simple (and the color is perfect). It compliments, so your focus is on her beauty. Miss Mahoning Valley Piper Lambert- Another lovely newbie. Finally some representation from the Boardman- Y-Town area. Looking forward to learning more about her. Miss Oxford Ella Roberts- Such a short but telling video. She looks Miss America ready. A quiet countenance. First time contestant. That jumper is perfection on her and I h-a-t-e, hate, jumpers. Looking forward to watching her compete. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Thank you for this lovely re-cap. I think you are spot on. Looks to be another great class of candidates. (NT) -- No name, 08:43:26 05/15/23 Mon

Subject: Bailee - Please Be Blonde!
Author: The red isn't a good color. (You are STUNNING as a blonde!) [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 18:54:06 02/19/23 Sun I think you are the new Miss Ohio, but not with red hair. It needs to be blonde. You are gorgeous as a blonde and so good in all areas, but the red really does not do you justice. Just trying to help! Please re-consider. THANK YOU! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Baylee needs a new song too. Just too dark, the ending doesn't stick and she has the voice for it, just not the persona to really sell that song. Some songs to try: "If I Ain't Got You", "I Can Hear the Bells" from Hairspray (ending needs rearranged), even "Rehab" which would be perfect for her current talent dress and aura, but people most people don't know the song beyond the misleading chorus. (NT) -- No name, 12:34:52 02/20/23 Mon & Make You Feel My Love (NT) -- No name, 12:36:37 02/20/23 Mon The red she currently has is not the best for to show up with at Miss OHIO and will cost her the win. It is not a real red head color- it is a cartoon redhead color. Get a real color- red is also a tough choice because you have a real redhead with Madison… go brunette at least, but choose a color that occurs in nature. If she really wants to win- and she will IF she goes back to honey blonde. It is a beauty pageant again and she has it all and can walk off with it. Not with the current hair color, though. (NT) -- No name, 15:50:14 03/12/23 Sun Baylee is beautiful and talented but whether her hair is red, blonde or blue she will make top 3 but not win. It’s Via’s to lose this year. She’s so much more polished and ready now. The question is will Baylee be FRU or will it be Madison. (NT) -- No name, 19:25:03 03/14/23 Tue Totally disagree- Baylee is the one this year. Polish means nothing compared to the IT factor and that is what she’s got… when she is blond. (NT) -- No name, 08:43:14 03/15/23 Wed If Baylee has the “it factor” it doesn’t matter what the color of her hair is. (NT) -- No name, 09:32:57 03/15/23 Wed If it were a real color, then yes. But ANY color? Nope. Her unnatural orange/red is as bad as having blue hair. It doesn’t match her skin tone and this is a beauty pageant. She is more beautiful as a blonde. Oh well. (NT) -- No name, 11:57:42 03/15/23 Wed I agree with the blonde. She's beautiful with the blonde hair she had last year. The red comes off as harsh, fake, cartoon like someone above said. I think she's our new Miss Ohio if she repeats last year's hair color. (NT) -- No name, 01:57:05 03/16/23 Thu With all due respect, I’m just not seeing what all see with her having the ‘IT’ factor. I think there’s a goofy side that I presume comes off as playful, but I think others are far better suited for the title. (NT) -- No name, 22:59:05 04/08/23 Sat Haha like who? (NT) -- No name, 14:06:26 04/09/23 Sun When's the last time you saw her compete? Have you ever seen her compete, from the audience? (NT) -- No name, 10:23:43 04/12/23 Wed Yes I have. Respectfully, just as OP stated, sharing my opinion. Nature of this board. (NT) -- No name, 00:36:58 04/14/23 Fri (NT) -- No name, 12:18:04 04/23/23 Sun Baylee's headshot - wow! Love it! Gorgeous, Baylee! Very best wishes! (NT) -- No name, 07:26:40 04/24/23 Mon She has a Savvy Shields vibe with this pic (NT) -- No name, 15:05:04 05/03/23 Wed

Subject: SO head judge for NH. Just don’t get it…
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:14:09 04/30/23 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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Did they seek the kind of judges that are known to 'help' with results so they were assured Brían Nguyen didn't get near T5? (NT) -- No name, 11:20:05 05/02/23 Tue

Subject: Will Miss Ohio be live-streamed this year?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 10:27:52 04/27/23 Thu I don’t want to go to Mansfield, but I’d still like to watch if I can! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: This site is just mean and you are all hateful people
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:41:37 04/21/23 Fri My daughter came home for the weekend for a family wedding and when we were having dinner she was very upset and told us that she just found this site. Now I've read enough of this in the last half hour to know that you'll say this isn't meant for the girls to read and all that but that is just an excuse to clear your conscience. What you write on here is just terrible. Even when you say something good about someone it is by tearing someone else down. You should all be ashamed and anyone that supposedly really supports a program like Miss Ohio or Miss America would not post that terrible stuff here because it is supposed to be women supporting women. I hope your sad lives are happier when you make others feel bad [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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You're lying. Your 'daughter' did not just find this site. (NT) -- mod, 23:46:49 04/21/23 Fri Couldn’t expect you guys to just admit you’re mean -- No name, 10:17:52 04/22/23 Sat This was the rest of the above reply. To whoever wrote that, put your whole message in the subject area if it isn’t a new post or most people won’t click in to see it. “We use a very common VPN with our home internet. If you knew anything about that, “when you connect to a VPN, your device is assigned a new IP address that is shared with other users of the same VPN. This means that if someone using the same VPN server as you engages in an activity, it is possible that the shared IP address could be flagged.” Grow up and take responsibility for your actions!” (NT) -- No name, 15:16:41 04/22/23 Sat So confidently incorrect. Computers/ phones/ iPads / anything that connects to the internet can't "share" the same IP at the same time, period. PERIOD! It's not an opinion. It's not up for debate. It's not subjective. It is reality. It is a FACT. It's not magical 'thinking', it's scientific reasoning. (NT) -- No name, 16:10:39 04/22/23 Sat And we can't expect you to just admit that you've been caught lying again, despite the receipts. Same deal as last year- blaming others when it's you yourself posting hate against the girls here. VPNs don't work like you think. And no newbie to Voy would think to post through a VPN (to try to hide their identity from the mod). Grow up and take responsibility for your actions! (NT) -- No name, 15:56:41 04/22/23 Sat

Subject: Who is in your top 5 predictions as of right now?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:27:19 04/16/23 Sun Right now (in no particular order) I’m thinking Jaeleen, Baylee, Madison, Via, and then either Haylee, Autumn, or Caitlin. I don’t know a lot about the newbies, so hard to predict them. What are your thoughts? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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I agree with your top four! (NT) -- No name, 07:44:18 04/17/23 Mon In no particular order Baylee, Caitlin, Emily, Jaeleen, and I guess Via (NT) -- No name, 14:27:46 04/17/23 Mon All I know is that the willing-to-pays are a bigger mess then I could’ve ever imagined. So far I’ve seen 2 different girls with photographed at home headshots. And geez, do they look “DIY”… Embarrassing. If they aren’t willing to shell out a few hundred dollars for some decent photos, I’m only beginning to imagine the outfits and performance we are about to receive. I know damn well they won’t pay for a coach. (NT) -- Bless this mess, 17:24:28 04/17/23 Mon While I do think ‘at large’ can be a positive move for the larger MAO, it will attract two different type of candidates. Either the ones that get ‘close’ to securing the limited amounts of crowns available, or the candidate that jumps on the chance with ZERO experience/limited exposure. Don’t know the specific girls, but this seems to be the case in USA system and feedback from other MAO/state programs. Just a shame that they don’t also ‘receive’ some sort of guidance/mentor (after paying > fee), to help them acclimate to competition; the week; and knowledge we take for granted by way of prior participation. (NT) -- No name, 23:20:43 04/17/23 Mon I 100% agree, they're a mess! You couldn't pay me to go to Methsfield & watch those prelims. There are going to be Sherri Hill Couture gowns next to clearance rack JC Penney. Don't get me wrong a beautiful gown can be found on clearance & I've seen some ugly SH's but not the point. These girls clearly have no idea what they’re doing & no one to guide them or they just don't care. There are so many girls that have competed & done well that still live in Ohio that I'm sure SO could find some that live nearby these girls & to mentor them for even one afternoon & then on FT & text if they have questions. What I definitely do not understand is that if they can afford to buy in then why can't they afford to put money toward the competition? (NT) -- Bless their hearts, 13:57:57 04/18/23 Tue Some of the returning contestants aren't much better in regard to wardrobe either (NT) -- No name, 16:43:16 04/18/23 Tue Jaelenn, Via, Madison. Likely Caitlin and Baylee. I think the toss up for Miss OH will be J or V. (NT) -- No name, 23:46:21 04/18/23 Tue Completely agree! (NT) -- No name, 22:51:25 04/20/23 Thu

Subject: The new Miss Greater Butler County's Outstanding Teen caught using a racial slur (video)
Author: ID, do the right thing and resign your title and apologize as well [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 04:05:27 03/24/23 Fri Izzy Darnell, the younger sister of current Miss Ohio Teen USA Kylan Darnell was apparently caught using a racial slur while driving. The proof is in the video twitter.com/izzydarnell_ Now whether or not if that slur was or wasn't used in a jokingly fashion. There is zero tolerance for this type of behavior. Jacky Johnson (the local ED of Miss Oxford) and Brooke Miller (the new ED of Miss Ohio's Teen) should look into the matter and disqualify this contestant for her despicable actions. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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See Izzy Darnell’s racist TikTok here (NT) -- No name, 21:54:22 03/24/23 Fri Not sure why the like doesn't work but here's the site: https://tinyurl.com/IDTikTok (NT) -- Video has racist content, 22:03:03 03/24/23 Fri If you go through a VPN the HTML doesn't work. (NT) -- No name, 17:49:11 03/25/23 Sat UPDATE: Izzy has been relieved of her duties as Miss Greater Butler County's Outstanding Teen (NT) -- No name, 22:06:34 03/24/23 Fri Where was this posted? (NT) -- No name, 22:07:37 03/24/23 Fri She and her title have been removed from Miss Ohio posts. No official statement yet. (NT) -- No name, 01:25:18 03/27/23 Mon That's good enough for me, bc I know there will be no statements, and shouldn't be imo. (NT) -- No name, 00:03:43 03/29/23 Wed What I don't understand is why the a count is 7 years old, has only 5 followers, and has no content but this video. How did they ever find this? Video here: https://tinyurl.com/IDTikTok. (NT) -- No name, 17:46:24 03/25/23 Sat I’m not saying you’re wrong I’m just wondering where you see that. I don’t see the account age or number of views. I do know this video has been circulated to tons of people in group chats (NT) -- No name, 19:43:41 03/25/23 Sat Lots of drama out there on social media about both of these sisters… (NT) -- No name, 23:43:06 03/28/23 Tue No mention of her at forum. No one missed her. Next… (NT) -- No name, 18:21:04 04/02/23 Sun

Subject: Per LED Charmae: Steven Oliveri intervened at Greater Cleveland and chose which girls got which titles
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 18:39:06 03/25/23 Sat According to the ED, Steven Oliveri interfered with the scoring at Greater Cleveland. (see screenshot of her discussing it below). Supposedly, he interjected himself into the auditors' duties, directing them how to award the titles. Rather than the traditional way Ohio has always done it- biggest title to highest scorer, he allegedly instructed the auditors to assign titles 'randomly'. Here's the buried post I found and the click-in of a screenshot of Charmea's conversation online: Greater Cleveland is a big mess because Steven randomized the titles with the auditors’ help. Charmae is so upset that she is asking for help in a group chat with over 3,000 people in it nationally. There’s been speculation that he rigs titles and pageants and he’s at it again. I’m surprised by two things. First that he would do this when there’s a new owner. Second that he didn’t tell Charmae beforehand. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]
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That sucks for Jaeleen and Autumn. Autumn’s been on her high horse (what’s new) about having the highest score. Made no sense that she beat Jaeleen when she won awards and Autumn didn’t. Jaeleen was clearly the highest score based on her awards and got the title that was thrown in at the last minute. Autumn is always a sore loser so if this gets in her head that she isn’t the “real” Greater Cleveland she won’t make T5. Steven should fix this at Forum now that everyone knows. (NT) -- No name, 19:52:50 03/25/23 Sat Why now, after literally 20+ yrs of awarding the Miss Greater Cleveland title to the top ranked girl did Steven interject himself into this local and instruct their auditor, without discussing or informing the local's Executive Director, to break with protocol of awarding by rank- GC, Northern Ohio, Spirit of Ohio, & the new Lake Erie title and award the titles as he wanted. As OH ED, he might contractually have that right, yet he clearly went behind Charmae's back. That's in her own words. Why wouldn't he tell her beforehand if it was above board or came from the new owner? Why didn't he at least have it announced that the titles were awarded randomly? (NT) -- No name, 07:51:21 03/26/23 Sun I think Steven didn't want the former Miss Ohio Volunteer to swoop in last minute and take it all at Greater Cleveland but rather, make it appear to the pageant community as if she came in 3RU by receiving the new Lake Erie title. Jaeleen won talent & OSQ- 50%. Charmea knows she's got a ringer in Jaeleen and Steven wanted to knock her down a peg or two, so when he crowns the girl he wants in June rather than Jaeleen, people won't question it bc they think she came in 4th at Cleveland. (NT) -- No name, 10:54:33 03/26/23 Sun I was worried Jaeleen would be blackballed bc of Miss Volunteer and when I saw the results, they looked off. How did the girl who won talent & OSQ and is in great shape manage to come in 4th?!? My gut was right- Charmea confirmed she didn't come in 4th but Steven switched the titles to make it look like she did. (NT) -- Steven Oliveri Sucks, 11:04:26 03/26/23 Sun Hopefully someone will send this to Robin Fleming (NT) -- No name, 14:49:44 03/26/23 Sun Steven has a long history of meddling in the results of pageants, both state and local. This isn’t a surprise. What’s surprising is that he’s still in power, and contestants still compete when they know it’s not a fair fight. (NT) -- No name, 07:08:37 03/27/23 Mon The other surprise was that Charmae went so public about it. There's been rumors and complaints by LEDs but I don't think any have so publicly made a complaint known. (NT) -- No name, 15:23:51 03/27/23 Mon CHANGE. The only thing that will fix MA and MO is CHANGE. Change can't happen when directors continue to participate and girls continue to raise money for the program with little to no reward. shame on you all. I would love to see a lot less complaining and more healthy discussion on this board. GUESS WHAT. You have no room to complain when you were part of the problem to begin with. This is how MA and MO works, always has and always will unless there is Change. (NT) -- No name, 15:30:30 03/28/23 Tue I'd love to take my legitimate complaints about Steven (not pitiful boo hoo someone I like lost) to someone that can actually do something like Robin or whoever could really do something but the only email address that I can find of Miss America is an info@ email which probably is someone way far down the totem pole. I'm fine with working up the chain of command but that is just an email that goes into a black hole. I'd send snail mail if I thought it would get into the right hands but there's no mailing address I have found. If anyone has a legitimate email or street address for someone with authority please post it. (NT) -- No name, 21:53:49 03/28/23 Tue Not at all a surprise. Sad it took one of the only legitimate, engaged local ED THIS LONG to see the writing that’s been on the walls FOR YEARS about him. Love that she went ‘public’ and hope she goes further. Also hope she puts her energy anywhere else BUT Miss Ohio. It’s just SO gross and SO pitiful… (NT) -- No name, 23:38:10 03/28/23 Tue Of course SO doesn’t Jayleen to win (which she’s clearly the top contender) at Miss OH….totally throwing his game WAY off… (NT) -- No name, 23:41:28 03/28/23 Tue

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Date Posted: 11:09:43 03/23/23 Thu

Someone's on Guru defending Oliveri's running the program into the ground.

Guess they don't want it posted that Ohio has 7 locals and 11 contestants- if Portsmouth and Oxford didn't add an unannounced title for Stevie.

There are ~822,000 eligible women in Ohio- so every titleholder is "one in 62,256" girls.

Congratulations Ohio. You get the program you're willing to take.

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