great reply lyn, I've always felt that alot of this stuff is mostly genetic and though environment may determine a bit when someone "comes out", alot of it may be the timing of the person recognizing who they truly are, and then the tremendous courage to be who they are in a society that may not want to accept them. I have a gay male mormon friend that I grew up with that is so repressed by his religion that he will never come out, but he lives a life of personal hell because of it. He can't face who he really is, but it's obviousl to us around him. It's quite tragic really. I have tremendous respect for those that stand up for what they are or believe whatever it is, that takes guts. -- Eddie Pedantic Gasbag Discussion Group

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Date Posted: 15:16:45 07/14/01 Sat
Author: BZC
Subject: great reply lyn, I've always felt that alot of this stuff is mostly genetic and though environment may determine a bit when someone "comes out", alot of it may be the timing of the person recognizing who they truly are, and then the tremendous courage to be who they are in a society that may not want to accept them. I have a gay male mormon friend that I grew up with that is so repressed by his religion that he will never come out, but he lives a life of personal hell because of it. He can't face who he really is, but it's obviousl to us around him. It's quite tragic really. I have tremendous respect for those that stand up for what they are or believe whatever it is, that takes guts.
In reply to: lyn 's message, "Anyhoo, living in SF made it much easier to come out and to find support among friends and when I did come out it was a party and a celebration (literally, I came out at my office Xmas party). I was welcomed by all the gay employees and my straight friends as well. It was pretty cool...when I told my family, they were incredibly loving and supportive even my parents who are devout catholics, older, immigrants from the Philippines, etc. Okay, I've lost my point here. And I'm too lazy to scroll back. Ah yes, I think in my personal case it was definitely a mix of genetics and environment and I'm sure it's different for everybody else...was that my point? I hope you can glean some useful information from this...hahaha" on 13:00:53 07/14/01 Sat

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I agree - thats quite sad. And yet another example of the wonderful world that organized religion has brought us. (NT) -- gumtree, 18:07:02 07/14/01 Sat
- yes it always interests me how some people find so much comfort in religion, where I didn't feel free until I left those bonds behind in high school(I was raised presbyterian). So many, many people have died in religious wars, ironic it seems. (NT) -- BZC, 18:24:23 07/14/01 Sat
  - Wars? Oh, my yes...and hangings, and burnings, and executions, and gas chambers...LOADS of fun...I were sort of raised as a Friend (Quakers) - had no problem with it until one day I was told "You MUST believe THIS" and I said "Erm, nooo..." and I remain unrepentant. Certainly freed up Sundays.... (NT) -- gumtree, 18:32:05 07/14/01 Sat
    - yes it was funny but I was sent to a "christian convention" in hopes it would "turn me around" after the donut bribes after church quit working.....well I guess the "turn" wasn't what everyone hoped for, but it was a turning point indeed....ah yes sundays, I worship my cats and landscapes. (NT) -- BZC always been a subtle wild child, 19:32:04 07/14/01 Sat