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Date Posted: 16:01:45 07/12/01 Thu
Author: BZC
Subject: ..this and that..

I've enjoyed coming home and reading some of the great posts on the board, so I'd like to comment to a few if you would put up with me. I do think we are! animals in the animal kingdom, it's just we're the most supposedly evolved animals on the earth. The great thing about be homo sapien is that we can aspire to great thoughts and accomplishments but as Vex pointed out in a response on someone's post a few days back, we also have that amazing, primitive urge to shag, which isn't evolved at all, but is vital if we care to perpetuate our own species. So in terms of evolutionary long term consequences, be it sexual or asexual reproduction that occurs in both the plant and animal kingdom, shagging may have a much higher consciousness than we are aware of, great thoughts won't perpetuate our species per se, but shagging will...my point being, we are animals, we aren't removed from them at all...and we don't know that they don't have conscious thought. I have one little cat that is my personal goddess, she to me is perfection, both physically and she's loving and wild in the same breath. At moments my interactions and her responses to my moods are amazing. So I never assume that that beautiful little mind doesn't have much more going on in it than we humans have the ability to measure.

Now...as for humans, well we do connect with people on various levels, some stranger while in transit somewhere we may have some great and wonderful conversation with and another we may fear or feel a strange foreboding. Then we have friends and work associates and loved ones who we all have varying connections with, and as Moira has so lovingly said before, instinctively we know who we are safe with and who we aren't and all these thoughts and feelings brings us to this very moment of being. So maybe for people that means concsiously or unconsciously creating boxes and only feeling safe with others in that particular box, or again as Vex pointed out, if you're at a party, and you want to connect with like minded folks, then we need the categorization to accomplish our goals, whatever they are at the moment. So perhaps to categorize and/or be open to anything seem to both be important in moving through life. We ultimately each do what we need to do to take care of ourselves.

And...finally, are things real only if they are real in a physical and/or measured sense? Or are our senses and feelings about situations just as equally valid? I have a science background so I always want data to back up my thoughts or feelings, but I think I'm also fairly intuitive, so I always listen to what my gut feelings are usually shouting at me. There's alot out there that can't be measured quantitatively, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist or isn't real. I have felt a weird(can't define if it's good or bad really) energy for a while lately that seems to have dissipated somewhat.
This is something I can't explain or measure so it has been very frustrating for me. I know others have felt it to. Is it real? I can't say...for me it has been real, but who knows? Life's a mystery and an adventure isn't it?

Babble over, for now!

Behind the Zion Curtain

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BZC! Lovely post! I am focusing on your last bit....the weird feelings....we discussed this before and I felt it, you felt it and DoBee felt it...it has eased for me...and DoBee confirmed the same for her! And now you!! It was a heavy weight that seems to have been lifted. I am a gut instinct person as well..that's why I'm crap at debate..I don't have facts to back up what I say..I just have my feelings. Hugs hunni! Glad to see you back. (NT) -- Teri, 17:50:36 07/12/01 Thu
- Welcome back home BZC, I will post again tomorrow as I am too tired tonight to get my mind in focus but I agree that it's not proven that animals are not conscious, in fact I think there's a book out by a scientist who gives many examples of all sorts of animals shown thinking and planning and doing somethink and of animals doing altruistic things even for animals of other species. Well that's it, my brain is saying No, get up and go to bed, I need my REM sleep, so nighty-nite! (NT) -- spoot blowing kisses, 01:17:12 07/13/01 Fri
- Teri, you mustn't say that you are crap at debate, you are very good, love to see your posts here, and maybe it's only you're not a pedantic gasbag type but when you post your voice rings with truth and no BS so please eat some beans and come back with some more gas! (NT) -- spoot shakes finger at silly Teri finger hits keyboard ouch!, 01:27:50 07/13/01 Fri
  - Thank you darlin' for saying so! I appreciate it more than you will know. (NT) -- Teri~~flip chart~~get some beans next trip to grocery..., 07:08:22 07/13/01 Fri