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Date Posted: 05:24:43 10/22/02 Tue
Author: Òðåéòÿê
Subject: òàê îòîæ... âçàãàë³-òî, óïåðåäæåí³ñòü - íå ë³ïøèé äîðàäíèê
In reply to: Ìàêñèì 's message, "Òàê ³ º." on 10:16:56 10/06/02 Sun

Òàê îòîæ, ÿ çäîãàäóâàâñÿ, ùî Âè óïåðåäæåí³ ùîäî ëàòèíêè. À ìåíå òàê íóäèòü â³ä óñÿêî¿ öåðêîâíîñëîâ"ÿíùèíè... Ñïðàâà ïðèâàòíîãî ñìàêó, î÷åâèäíî :) - ìåí³ "ßòü" íå ñìàêóº, à Âàì àáåöàäëî.

Òà ùîäî òðàäèö³é: ÿ òî¿ äóìêè, ùî íå âñ³ òðàäèö³¿ º âèêëþ÷íî äîáð³, òèì ïà÷å êîëè éäåòüñÿ ïðî òðàäèö³¿ á³ëüø òàê³ çàïîçè÷åí³... Öå æ íåàáèÿêèé ñåêðåò, ùî êèðèëèöþ âèãàäàëè ãðåêè, ùîáè ïîøèðèòè ñâ³é çãàñàþ÷èé òîä³ âïëèâ. Çâ³äòàì ³ ðåë³ã³þ âçÿëè. Îòî óêðà¿íö³ é âë³çëè ó "ãðåöüêó ñõèçìó", ó êèðèëèöþ, ³ ò.ï. Ãðåöüêà ³ìïåð³ÿ ñêîðî ïîìåðëà, à ìè äîñ³ ç òèìè öÿöüêàìè, áî áà÷, òðàäèö³ÿ. Àëå ìåíøå ç òèì, ÿ í³êîãî é í³÷îãî íå õî÷ó çàñóäæóâàòè, áî òàê âæå ñêëàëîñÿ, öå ³ñòîðè÷íèé ôàêò, çðåøòîþ, ïîçàÿê îïèíèëèñÿ á ó êîë³ øàíóâàëüíèê³â æèä³âñüêî¿ äàâíèíè ³ ëþáèòåë³â êàçî÷êè ïðî ä³äà Àáðàìà ³ áàáêó Ñàðó...

Ùî æ ñòîñóºòüñÿ ñëîâà "àëôà-â³ò", ÿêå Âè ïðîïîíóºòå â³ä÷óòè, òî öå ñëîâî - ïîêðó÷. Ìàëî áóòè àëüôàáåò, â³ä àëüôè ç áåòîþ, à â íàñ ãðåöüêó áåòó ïåðåòâîðåíî íà ÿêóñü íåçðîçóì³ëó "â³òó"... Òîæ öå ñëîâî, òåæ, íå ñìàêóº...

É íàðåøò³, ïðî äîäàòêîâ³ ë³òåðè, äâîë³òåðí³ ñïîëó÷åííÿ, ïîçíà÷êè, ³ ò.ï. ß Âàì ìîæó âêàçàòè êîíêðåòíî, ïî ÿêèõ ì³ñöÿõ óêðà¿íñüêà êèðèëèöÿ º íåäîñêîíàëîþ, ñàìå ç öüîãî ïîãëÿäó, ïðèì³ðîì, êîëè äâà çâóêè ïîçíà÷àºòüñÿ îäíîþ ë³òåðîþ, àáî îäèí çâóê - äâîìà, ³ ò.ä. ² ôîíåòè÷í³ íåäîë³êè íàÿâí³ òåæ: íàïðèêëàä, ë³òåðîþ ïîçíà÷àºìî íåäîë³òåðó, ùî íå ìຠçâóêó-â³äïîâ³äíèêà - éäåòüñÿ ïðî ì"ÿêèé çíàê. Ìó÷àºìîñü ç àïîñòðîôàìè, ÿê³ â ëàòèíö³ íå º îáîâ"ÿçêîâèìè, ç³ çàì³íîþ ë³òåð ïî áàãàòüîõ ì³ñö³ÿõ, é íàðåøò³ ç îòîþ áàãàòîñòðàæäàëüíîþ ðåïåðåñîâàíîþ é äîñüîãîäí³ ë³òåðîþ, ÿêó ÿ, íà ïðåâåëèêèé æàëü, íå â çìîç³ â³äâîðèòè íà ö³é êëàâ³àòóð³, àëå æ Âè çíàºòå ïðî ùî éäåòüñÿ...
Îöå äå ÷è íå íàéá³ëüøå äîïîìîãëà áè ëàòèíêà, òàê óíîðìóâàòèñÿ õî÷à á â ö³é ä³ëÿíö³: õîò³â áè ÿ ïîäèâèòèñÿ, êîëè õòî-íåáóäü ïî÷íå ïèñàòè katehorija, ÷è lohika... :)

Âëàñíå, â³ä ôîíåòèêè ç ëàòèíêîþ ìîæíà íå ò³ëüêè ùî íå â³ä³éòè, à é íàâ³òü íàáëèçèòèñü, ³ äî åòèìîëî㳿, ì³æ ³íøèì òåæ, ïî äåÿêèõ ì³ñöÿõ, îòæå öå íå àðãóìåíò.

²íøà ð³÷, ùî Âè íå õî÷åòå ïðî öå íàâ³òü äóìàòè, ³ âî볺òå áóòè óïåðåäæåíèì, áî Âàì äîðîãà öåðêîâíîñëîâ"ÿíñüêà òðàäèö³ÿ.

Çðåøòîþ, öåðêîâíó óí³þ òåæ äîâãî íå ñïðèéìàëè, àëå îñü ùîéíî â ìèíóëîìó ñòîð³÷÷³ öÿ ñàìà âèêëÿòà ïðàâîñëàâíèìè ³ºðàðõàìè óí³ÿ äóæå ïðèñëóæèëàñÿ óêðà¿íñüê³ íàö³¿ ³ äàëà Ìèòðîïîëèòà Øåïòèöüêîãî, áàãàòî â ÷îìó ñïðè÷èíèëàñÿ äî ï³äíåñåííÿ íàö. ñâ³äîìîñò³ ³ ò.ä., çàòå ïðàâîñëàâ"ÿ âæå ó XVIII-XIX ñò. äàâàëî òàêèõ äîñòîéíèê³â, ÿê òîé ñâÿùåíèê, ùî ïîãðîçèâ íàêëàñòè àíàòåìó íà çàïîðîæö³â, áóäå âîíè íàäóìàþòü ÷èíèòè ñïðîòèâ ìîñêàëÿì, ùî ïðèéøëè ðóéíóâàòè ѳ÷... Âæå íå çãàäóþ òèõ, ùî àíàòåìñòâóâàëè Ìàçåïó íà íàêàç ìîñê. öàðÿ, ïî òèõ ñàìèõ öåðêâàõ, ùî òîé Ìàçåïà ïîáóäóâàâ... À òðàïëÿëèñÿ æ ³ùå ð³çí³ "äîáðî䳿" ç äîâãèìè áîðîäàìè çà Äóíàºì òåæ... ² ò.ä. Ãàäàþ, ïðèêëàä³â çðàäè ïðàâîñëàâ"ÿì óêð. ³íòåðåñ³â º äîñèòü. À ÿê æå çàâçÿòî éîãî ñâîãî ÷àñó çàõèùàëè, îöþ çàïîçè÷åíó ³äåþ! Òî ÷è íå ìîæå áóòè òå ñàìå ³ ç êèðèëèöåþ?

-- ÿêàñü íîâà ôîðìà ³ñíóâàííÿ ïèñüìîâî¿ ë³òåðàòóðíî¿ ìîâè, ÿêà ìàòèìå ñâî¿ çàêîíè ðîçâèòêó ³ ìàëî íàãàäóâàòèìå ñó÷àñíó óêðà¿íñüêó, øâèäøå ñó÷àñí³ ÷åñüêó, ñëîâàöüêó ÷è ïîëüñüêó.

Êîëèñü â³ò÷èçíÿí³ ìóäðàãåë³ áóëè ïðîòè òîãî, ùîáè ïèñàòè íàðîäíîþ óêðà¿íñüêîþ ìîâîþ ÿê ë³òåðàòóðíîþ, çàì³ñòü öåðêîâíîñëîâ"ÿíñüêèõ "ä³àëåêò³â" - êàçàëè, òðàäèö³þ íå ìîæíà ïåðåðâàòè, "õëîïñüêà" ìîâà º íåãîäÿùà, ³ ò.ï. É çðîçóì³ëî, ùî íàðîäíà óêðà¿íñüêà ìîâà îòðèìàëà ñâî¿ çàêîíè ðîçâèòêó, ìàëî ïîäá³í³ äî öåðêîâíîñëîâ"ÿíñüêî¿. Òî öå ñàìå ³ òóò.

Íå òðåáà áîÿòèñÿ íîâîãî. Ãàäàþ, ùî îíîâëåííÿ ñó÷àñí³é, çãâàëòîâàíî¿ "ìîñêîâñòâîì-ñîâê³âñòâîì" óêðà¿íñüê³é ìîâ³, íå çàâàäèëî á.

²íøå ïèòàííÿ: ÷è ñïðàâä³ âàðòóº, òà ÷è íå çàâåëèêó ö³íó òðåáà ñïëàòèòè çà öå, ÷è ³äåÿ ñåáå îïðàâäóº, âðåøò³-ðåøò. Òóò íå ìàþ ñòîâ³äñîòêîâî¿ âïåâíåíîñò³, òîìó ³ íå º âåëèêèì ïðèõèëüíèêîì ëàòèíêè. Àëå ðîçãëÿäàòè öå ïèòàííÿ, íà ìîþ äóìêó, ìîæíà ³ òðåáà. Àäæå ò³ëüêè òàê ìîæíà ä³çíàòèñÿ, ÷è öÿ ³äåÿ äîáðà, ÷è í³. É óïåðåäæåí³ñòü òóò - íå ë³ïøèé äîðàäíèê.

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