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Date Posted: 06:40:51 09/15/02 Sun
Author: 3Strikes/Did I leave too many clues ?
Subject: Oh, you are good! Scary good in fact! Huge leap forward!
In reply to: lele 's message, "Re: Game of Disturbing Questions, New Edition" on 19:28:55 09/14/02 Sat

1)Good on the first part. What does it reveal about Xander in terms of character traits ? NEW: One isn't enough. Three must lead. One must deceive. Not characters. Motivators/triggers.
2)Bingo! Bull's eye! What happened there to prove that The Bad PTB's agenda was greater than simple *evil*. And I'm not talking about what they did for Angel.
3)Oh, you're good! Excellent! Start making connections. Apply symmetry and the Iron Dice. Who? Why? What's the structure?
4)Think not only metaphor but reality, backward and forward.
5)Very good again. How can a shark be evil ? And if it is evil, but has a higher purpose, is it still evil? Keep digging!
6)
7)Wtp dropped huge clues in his answers to my questions for both 6 and 7.
8)Hehe! Yes, indeed. But which one ? And how can it be a cross-over ? Hint: An I'm not talking metaphorical cross-over either. Do you believe in invisble hands ?
9)Not about death. Not about 3 must lead (see #1), but it does tie in with the playground.
10)Real cross-over. Accept no substitute.
11)Eldritch geometry, also Lovecraftian geometry. Insanely scary geometry that makes a horrible kind of sense in a non-euclidian way. Think fun house mirrors, or reversed mirrors. One of Lovecraft's favorite theme.
12) Make connections!! You're very close!
13)No hints Grasshoper! You're too good! Everything is contained in the question. But once you solve #8, it should become obvious.
14)
15)Not quite. Don't forget about clarity. As for the second, will is the key.
Wow, rereading your answers, I am amazed how close you've come to unraveling the entire thread. Keep digging! Epiphany is a but question away! Making further connections will help you greatly!








>> 2)Are the *Bad* PTBs always Bad ? Are the
>>*Good* PTBs always good ? Though the answer to that
>>has already been clearly stated. But not where you
>>might think. NEW: If you've heard the piping voice,
>>and been blinded by the white, you know what I'm
>>referring to. They're probably the same. Wolfram and
>Hart's higher level partners probably have some
>connection to the same PTB that guides Angel. Blinded
>by the white? Are you referring to the Angel episode
>where he gets lilah to get him into a meeting with the
>senior partners(in order to get Connor back) only to
>be met by that scary little girl in the white
>room(didn't she say something like-"poor little angel
>wants his baby back...ribs, chilli's babyback ribs;)"
>> 3)Is Lurky the only purveyor of Afterlife
>>in town? How *Tragic* would it be for one character to
>>avail him/herself of the alternative ? NEW: Maybe I
>>should have uncapitalized Afterlife. Afterall, it's
>>such a common occurence. Always? Well, maybe not.
>
>Once again I think another poster pointed out that
>becoming a vampire or the living dead is another form
>of afterlife and vamping must be pretty common, cause
>there's alot of them. Do you think someone will choose
>to become a vampire this season on either show?
>> 4)Is the map the territory ? Is the
>>Playground in your mind's eye the backward symbol or
>>the reality ?
>
>I'm very out of my depth with this one. As has already
>been pointed out the map does not = the territory. Our
>perception of the world/reality does not necessarily=
>the Actual reality. The playground scene in
>Restless...I'll go there another day. Too much to
>speculate on
>> 5)Is a Shark evil ? Is an Evil Shark with
>>a *higher* purpose Evil ?
>
>If sharks=vampires then yes they're evil,but only by
>human standards(i.e. they eat us). It's a passive evil
>though, cause it's in their nature. If souledSpike
>decides to be Evil( i.e.actively goes against his new
>guiding star) then that probably means there is a
>higher (ME) purpose and it also sucks.
>> 6)Who sings songs of things to come ? Why
>>do they sing of sorrow? Anya is supposed to sing this
>season...I'll work on this one later
>
>> 7) Let me rephrase old question 7. Upon
>>further reconsideration, it is the weakest part of the
>>speculation. Very possible. But not the only
>>possibility. Upon the road of Fate, the Knight
>>Descendant and the Knight Ascendant were Bound to
>>meet. Asked the Child of Black and gold: "What did you
>>give for Love ?" "Death and Life, my soul,"
>>answered the other. Asked the Childe of Gold and
>>black: "What will you give for Love ?" "Life and
>>Death, my soul," answered the other. Which is the
>>greater sacrifice ? I think Buffy and Dawn may be
>the knights and their actions might serve as foils
>(ending of S5 vs ending of S7)
>> 8)Did you catch the cross-over last year
>>? If you haven't, don't worry. It was gone in a blast.
>
>A blast?- xander was blasted by willow, willow was
>blasted by giles(and vice/versa), spike was blasted
>with his soul by Lurky(a shanshu themed crossover?)
>
>> 9)"Gotta be with movin' forward," says
>>Xander in Restless. "Like a shark with feet..."
>>*Forward* ? Where are they both moving forward to ?
>>Where are they going? For that matter where are we all
>>going, though by different means ? We're all going to
>die (dammit I should really stop watching this show
>and all ME productions). Shark with feet? It seems to
>tie into the playground/ three must lead...stuff
>> 10)If Holtz had been vamped, would he have
>>still hated Angel/Angelus ?
>Probably so, wasn't the parallel b/n Holtz torturing
>Angel and Angel torturing that guy from W & H kind of
>scary? Do you think Angelus will
>>have family problems when he comes to Sunnydale ?How
>can Angelus come to Sunnydale? Will he take on a
>non-david boreanaz type form?Hehe...will Angelus sire
>someone to act as his stand-in in Sunnydale?
>> 11)This clue is hidden in plain sight.
>>Blatantly, insolently even. But in the Jossverse,
>>applying the concept defined by the clue could result
>>in some seriously eldritch geometry. : ) Unravel the
>>clue and apply the concept upon the fulcrum of
>>Restless, and watch a 7 years tale unfold. ANSWERED:
>>"Supersymmetry," both mirror and true, short and
>long. Give me a brief (nonmath major) description of
>eldritch geometry please.
>> 12)That Xander would lay down his life for
>>Willow, Anya or Buffy is a given. But would he kill
>>the innocent for one of them ? I think he would under
>the right circumstances esp if the 'innocent' was
>himself.
>> 13)What are these "things you can't
>>protect yourself from?" If you knew them, it would
>>blow your mind. We can't protect ourselves
>from...ourselves. That Prisoner post at the stakehouse
>was excellent. I really agree with that as far as
>overall philosophy, but you're talking specifics. Care
>to drop some more hints.
>> A riddle based on what I hope happens.
>>Too juicy to ignore, but won't necessarily make it to
>>the screen.
>> 14) Rage, Passion, Hate
>> What song precipitates their fate ?
>> Rage, Passion, Hate
>> What Moon to set their course ?
>> Rage, Passion, Hate
>> What star to find their way ?
>> Rage, Passion, Hate
>> Will they strife ? For whose fate ?
>> Rage, Passion, Hate.
>>
>
>Another one I'll have to work on more
>
>> 15) When is Blindness a blessing, and
>>Clarity the worst kind of Blindness?
>
>Blindness is a blessing when bad stuff is about to
>happen or when it helps keep the peace.
>When is a Mistake
>>not a mistake, and why will the difference be a cause
>>for tears ? If the Mistake is fated then it's not a
>mistake- someone will do something unintentionally but
>fated and it will cause great tragedy?
>
>Great game 3Strikes. I'll try to keep up and add some
>more specs and questions of my own as the season
>progresses. Remind me again why I watch this show? As
>it looks now we seem to be in for a whole lot of
>heartache on BtVS and AtS.
>
>Oh yeah, you can also email me at Ckjetil@aol.com- I
>tend to check that acct more.
>Take care,
>Leona
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>William the Poet's questions/comments on my question.
>>Warning his questions are of a higher order than mine.
>> Although some of his comments, if properly
>>interpreted, will help with the resolution of some of
>>my original questions.
>>3Strikes needs to remember that whole
>>shouting-Vader-is-Luke's-father warning. *gr* Surprise
>>is the purest state us humans can attain.
>>Some counter-questions you might want to consider . .
>.
>>1. Another interesting question is why Angel believed
>>he could help Faith.
>>2. Don't forget that we're not dealing with order
>>versus chaos. Those both represent the same side -- or
>>either side -- even though they don't know it most of
>>the time. (B5 did a pretty good job on that one) Human
>>beings don't really want either order or chaos . . .
>>they want harmony (no, not
>>the vamp, kiddies. We're talking existential states
>>here.) There's a key to a lot of this in the Berger
>>and Luckmann book that Willow and the class were
>>discussing in "Life Serial," where Buffy felt
>>completely out of her depth. More than one key,
>>actually. Good Boy? Bad Boy? Maybe both?
>>3. A vampire with a soul is just a vampire with a soul
>>. . . but a goodPrio Motu is an anomaly.
>>4. "The map is not the territory" Hmm. Can you Count
>>on the answer? That raises a very interesting
>>additional question about exactly what makes a person
>>a person . . . or the whole issue of memories and
>>vampires. Might be an "A" question -- but more than
>>likely it would be a "null A" question, if you really
>>understood it. And asking the right questions in the
>>right way might make you Normal Again. Or not. Now, is
>>this something that we should Vogt on? And you can get
>>even deeper and ask yourself exactly what the function
>>of a soul is in the Jossverse, and are you sure you
>>know . . .
>>5. Do the ends *ever* justify the means? Anyone hear
>>what I'm saying? Testing . . . three . . . two . . .
>>one (And we're still doing it by the
>>numbers . . . )
>>6. And was that the main purpose of the singing? And
>>do songs sung blue lead to something other than a Neil
>>Diamond retrospective? And are they all just puppets
>>of a blind fate?
>>7. Knights . . . Shmites . . . don't forget -- it's
>>all about the goats! Besides, if it was Knights, then
>>the most important question would be "who's your
>>sire?" Either that, or who is going in which
>direction.
>>
>>"It is good to have an end to journey toward, but it
>>is the journey that
>>matters, in the end."
>>
>>WilliamthePoet
>>
>>P.S.: Okay, forget what I said about the goats. That
>>was just a joke based
>>on the Joss comments. Next year on BtVS is really
>>going to be very, very
>>proper -- a true Winsor year. With possums.

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