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Date Posted: 19:28:55 09/14/02 Sat
Author: lele
Subject: Re: Game of Disturbing Questions, New Edition
In reply to: 3Strikes/Hail and Well met Grasshoper! 's message, "Game of Disturbing Questions, New Edition" on 13:32:23 09/10/02 Tue

> On to the Game! Good Luck!
> 1)Why did Xander believe he could help
>Faith ? NEW: Three must lead, one must deceive.
>What will be the result ?

someone at the stakehouse said it very succinctly and accurately I believe. (paraphrase)- xander thought he could help Faith b/c he thought he knew her(i.e. thought he had an intimate connection with her), while Angel thought he could help Faith b/c he understood her. What does this mean? It may mean that xander doesn't really understand buffy or faith or their natures as well as he thinks he does and this may cause him to make bad decisions or form bad alliances. With the "three must lead and one must deceive thing."...are you saying the SG must lead and an outsider(probably spike or perhaps even Giles) MUST deceive. Or are you saying that out of the three to lead that one of the three will be a deceiver. It sort of reminds me of that comment made about joss originally planning for Xander to be Glory's vessel...I really don't like that idea.


> 2)Are the *Bad* PTBs always Bad ? Are the
>*Good* PTBs always good ? Though the answer to that
>has already been clearly stated. But not where you
>might think. NEW: If you've heard the piping voice,
>and been blinded by the white, you know what I'm
>referring to. They're probably the same. Wolfram and Hart's higher level partners probably have some connection to the same PTB that guides Angel. Blinded by the white? Are you referring to the Angel episode where he gets lilah to get him into a meeting with the senior partners(in order to get Connor back) only to be met by that scary little girl in the white room(didn't she say something like-"poor little angel wants his baby back...ribs, chilli's babyback ribs;)"
> 3)Is Lurky the only purveyor of Afterlife
>in town? How *Tragic* would it be for one character to
>avail him/herself of the alternative ? NEW: Maybe I
>should have uncapitalized Afterlife. Afterall, it's
>such a common occurence. Always? Well, maybe not.

Once again I think another poster pointed out that becoming a vampire or the living dead is another form of afterlife and vamping must be pretty common, cause there's alot of them. Do you think someone will choose to become a vampire this season on either show?
> 4)Is the map the territory ? Is the
>Playground in your mind's eye the backward symbol or
>the reality ?

I'm very out of my depth with this one. As has already been pointed out the map does not = the territory. Our perception of the world/reality does not necessarily= the Actual reality. The playground scene in Restless...I'll go there another day. Too much to speculate on
> 5)Is a Shark evil ? Is an Evil Shark with
>a *higher* purpose Evil ?

If sharks=vampires then yes they're evil,but only by human standards(i.e. they eat us). It's a passive evil though, cause it's in their nature. If souledSpike decides to be Evil( i.e.actively goes against his new guiding star) then that probably means there is a higher (ME) purpose and it also sucks.
> 6)Who sings songs of things to come ? Why
>do they sing of sorrow? Anya is supposed to sing this season...I'll work on this one later

> 7) Let me rephrase old question 7. Upon
>further reconsideration, it is the weakest part of the
>speculation. Very possible. But not the only
>possibility. Upon the road of Fate, the Knight
>Descendant and the Knight Ascendant were Bound to
>meet. Asked the Child of Black and gold: "What did you
>give for Love ?" "Death and Life, my soul,"
>answered the other. Asked the Childe of Gold and
>black: "What will you give for Love ?" "Life and
>Death, my soul," answered the other. Which is the
>greater sacrifice ? I think Buffy and Dawn may be the knights and their actions might serve as foils (ending of S5 vs ending of S7)
> 8)Did you catch the cross-over last year
>? If you haven't, don't worry. It was gone in a blast.

A blast?- xander was blasted by willow, willow was blasted by giles(and vice/versa), spike was blasted with his soul by Lurky(a shanshu themed crossover?)

> 9)"Gotta be with movin' forward," says
>Xander in Restless. "Like a shark with feet..."
>*Forward* ? Where are they both moving forward to ?
>Where are they going? For that matter where are we all
>going, though by different means ? We're all going to die (dammit I should really stop watching this show and all ME productions). Shark with feet? It seems to tie into the playground/ three must lead...stuff
> 10)If Holtz had been vamped, would he have
>still hated Angel/Angelus ?
Probably so, wasn't the parallel b/n Holtz torturing Angel and Angel torturing that guy from W & H kind of scary? Do you think Angelus will
>have family problems when he comes to Sunnydale ?How can Angelus come to Sunnydale? Will he take on a non-david boreanaz type form?Hehe...will Angelus sire someone to act as his stand-in in Sunnydale?
> 11)This clue is hidden in plain sight.
>Blatantly, insolently even. But in the Jossverse,
>applying the concept defined by the clue could result
>in some seriously eldritch geometry. : ) Unravel the
>clue and apply the concept upon the fulcrum of
>Restless, and watch a 7 years tale unfold. ANSWERED:
>"Supersymmetry," both mirror and true, short and long. Give me a brief (nonmath major) description of eldritch geometry please.
> 12)That Xander would lay down his life for
>Willow, Anya or Buffy is a given. But would he kill
>the innocent for one of them ? I think he would under the right circumstances esp if the 'innocent' was himself.
> 13)What are these "things you can't
>protect yourself from?" If you knew them, it would
>blow your mind. We can't protect ourselves from...ourselves. That Prisoner post at the stakehouse was excellent. I really agree with that as far as overall philosophy, but you're talking specifics. Care to drop some more hints.
> A riddle based on what I hope happens.
>Too juicy to ignore, but won't necessarily make it to
>the screen.
> 14) Rage, Passion, Hate
> What song precipitates their fate ?
> Rage, Passion, Hate
> What Moon to set their course ?
> Rage, Passion, Hate
> What star to find their way ?
> Rage, Passion, Hate
> Will they strife ? For whose fate ?
> Rage, Passion, Hate.
>

Another one I'll have to work on more

> 15) When is Blindness a blessing, and
>Clarity the worst kind of Blindness?

Blindness is a blessing when bad stuff is about to happen or when it helps keep the peace.
When is a Mistake
>not a mistake, and why will the difference be a cause
>for tears ? If the Mistake is fated then it's not a mistake- someone will do something unintentionally but fated and it will cause great tragedy?

Great game 3Strikes. I'll try to keep up and add some more specs and questions of my own as the season progresses. Remind me again why I watch this show? As it looks now we seem to be in for a whole lot of heartache on BtVS and AtS.

Oh yeah, you can also email me at Ckjetil@aol.com- I tend to check that acct more.
Take care,
Leona
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>
>
>William the Poet's questions/comments on my question.
>Warning his questions are of a higher order than mine.
> Although some of his comments, if properly
>interpreted, will help with the resolution of some of
>my original questions.
>3Strikes needs to remember that whole
>shouting-Vader-is-Luke's-father warning. *gr* Surprise
>is the purest state us humans can attain.
>Some counter-questions you might want to consider . . .
>1. Another interesting question is why Angel believed
>he could help Faith.
>2. Don't forget that we're not dealing with order
>versus chaos. Those both represent the same side -- or
>either side -- even though they don't know it most of
>the time. (B5 did a pretty good job on that one) Human
>beings don't really want either order or chaos . . .
>they want harmony (no, not
>the vamp, kiddies. We're talking existential states
>here.) There's a key to a lot of this in the Berger
>and Luckmann book that Willow and the class were
>discussing in "Life Serial," where Buffy felt
>completely out of her depth. More than one key,
>actually. Good Boy? Bad Boy? Maybe both?
>3. A vampire with a soul is just a vampire with a soul
>. . . but a goodPrio Motu is an anomaly.
>4. "The map is not the territory" Hmm. Can you Count
>on the answer? That raises a very interesting
>additional question about exactly what makes a person
>a person . . . or the whole issue of memories and
>vampires. Might be an "A" question -- but more than
>likely it would be a "null A" question, if you really
>understood it. And asking the right questions in the
>right way might make you Normal Again. Or not. Now, is
>this something that we should Vogt on? And you can get
>even deeper and ask yourself exactly what the function
>of a soul is in the Jossverse, and are you sure you
>know . . .
>5. Do the ends *ever* justify the means? Anyone hear
>what I'm saying? Testing . . . three . . . two . . .
>one (And we're still doing it by the
>numbers . . . )
>6. And was that the main purpose of the singing? And
>do songs sung blue lead to something other than a Neil
>Diamond retrospective? And are they all just puppets
>of a blind fate?
>7. Knights . . . Shmites . . . don't forget -- it's
>all about the goats! Besides, if it was Knights, then
>the most important question would be "who's your
>sire?" Either that, or who is going in which direction.
>
>"It is good to have an end to journey toward, but it
>is the journey that
>matters, in the end."
>
>WilliamthePoet
>
>P.S.: Okay, forget what I said about the goats. That
>was just a joke based
>on the Joss comments. Next year on BtVS is really
>going to be very, very
>proper -- a true Winsor year. With possums.

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