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Date Posted: 16:55:41 04/07/03 Mon
Author: Anonymous
Subject: repost

What did I miss? What happened at AMBG state? -- Anonymous, 00:14:54 04/10/02 Wed
AMBG -- Anonymous, 14:51:56 04/09/02 Tue
I can't believe that people are such troublemakers. I was at CK's Pageant and I didn't agree with all winners but most were right. All supremes were just as I called them. The small group that stood at the back of the room during crowning was the only troublemakers and tried to disrupt it for the rest of us. That group was sore losers and CS. I expected that from them but what shocked me was LM's mom hanging out with them all weekend. What was she thinking? She is a director of a large system now and her child has always been the local one that my child and many others have looked up to. She was a leader for many children to follow and her mom was one to be respected. I hate to see TM even associate with these losers that are only going to give Leila and her a bad name. Wake Up Teresa, your name is valued and you can still save it.
[> Re: AMBG -- Anonymous, 15:58:03 04/09/02 Tue

You people are idiots. Why would you name an innocient child's name on here. Can you stupid people not read. You are as bad as you are saying these others are. Shame on you!

[> If you cared? -- Anonymous, 16:13:56 04/09/02 Tue
If any of you cared at all about my child and her name like you say you do then you would not have typed her name on here much less the other boards. I asked two days ago to leave us out of this. That we were happy with our win. As for where I sit in a ballroom that would be none of your business but I would like to correct you. I was sitting on the back row as I do at all pageants during crowning. I was not standing as you say I was. I said nothing negative about any of the winners only showed suprise at some who did not. You people are not going to pull me into this hard as you are trying.

Please be considerate of my child and leave her name off these boards.

Thanks,
Teresa

[> First of all you are so full of it! -- Anonymous, 16:54:03 04/09/02 Tue
First of all CK couldn't even supply enough chairs for everyone to sit then yells at the audience to be quite and sit in a chair or go to the back of the ballroom because she wanted all the aisles clear! VERY RUDE LADY! These are facts not bashing by the way.
Secondly, we sat near the back and saw LM's mom and she never once showed any emotion through crowning which I thought was amazing since obviously her daughter along with a few others in the 3 year old group got totally screwed. I guess when judging goes this stupid she would be happy with her win since so many other good kids that outmodeled their group got nothing.
This was the biggest joke pageant we have ever been to and we're going to make sure that next year before CK has it we remind everyone what happened this time. You need only fool us once!!! This pageant was not what it was advertised as and clearly Amber's students won to keep her looking good. They were not the best. If you were not there get a copy of the tape and see for yourself! I'm sure the girls that won supremes were thrilled, but that doesn't mean they deserved it. The best were not crowned at AMBG State!!!!! People should know about this system so they can stay the heck away.

[> [> NO You are so full of it! -- Anonymous, 17:09:16 04/09/02 Tue

The best in your opinion were not crowned, I watched all of the competion and the best were crowned!
I cold state obvious reasons why but I will not bring the kids names into it.

AMBG AND AH -- Anonymous, 11:21:37 04/08/02 Mon
AH has won AMBG EVERY SINGLE TIME she has entered it. Is a past GS several times over. Now what would make you think that her students wouldn't win it? Of course they will. Also, before entering this situation at nationals this year, find out what men gurus are bringing their kids to enter. It is being told that they are calling sucking up to the directors to get their kids wins there too. This is a situation that needs to be checked out before wasting any time and money and that is my humble opinion.
[> Re: AMBG AND AH -- Anonymous, 18:40:02 04/08/02 Mon

who is AH or do you mean NH if you mean NH she has not won ever time she has been to AMBG!!! that child rocked the stage as well as other children did. and NH mom alway claps and cheers on all the children when she is in the ballroom can you say the same? She has came a long way and the child works hard!!! She is the one that always claps on stage for all the girls can you say the same I have never heard a bad think come out of the mom or child mouth about ANYONE can you say the same!!!!!! say your prayers tonight because I am sure she will say one for you if you ever needed her!!!!

[> [> Debra get off here they were talking about Amberly Hastings not your kid. -- Anonymous, 18:56:16 04/08/02 Mon

It is obvious by the typing that this is you so don't try to act like it is not. ROTFLMAO
BEWARE OF Major Conflicts of Interest at AMBG NC State -- Anonymous, 23:55:26 04/07/02 Sun

Subject: AMBG
Author:
When will everyone learn???
Date Posted: 05:16:48 04/08/02 Mon

Everyone has been warned over and over about this pageant and the wacko director, but everyone keeps handing over their money. I just don't get it. If you look COI up in the dictionary, this woman's picture is there (probably that bad 1980's reject glamour shot LOL). I can't believe that the national directors allow her to continue. I mean, HELLO!!!! Your daughter's students should not be competing in your pageant! Please tell me any other pageant that allows this, it is totally ridiculous. I can't believe it goes on AND PEOPLE ACCEPT THIS AS BEING OK! What is wrong with you??? Also, how many of the best dress winners were wearing those scary CK designs? I'll bet quite a few. Funny how anywhere else they are laughed off the stage in those rags. I think this pageant is nothing more than a showcase for Amber's students. It is somewhere that they can get a "big win" since lord knows it isn't going to happen anywhere else. I hope that people will eventually learn their lesson and see this woman for what she really is. WAKE UP PEOPLE!! WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO SUPPORT HER?

Designers and coaches have NO PLACE being directors and having their clients compete! It's a conflict of interest!
[> [> [> Re: BEWARE OF Major Conflicts of Interest at AMBG NC State -- Anonymous, 11:33:51 04/09/02 Tue

EXCUSE ME BUT LOR B. IN MY OPINION IS A NAME. IF YOU WERE AT CROWNING YOU SAW HER SITTING WITH THE JUDGES. WHY DONT YOU ADDRESS THAT! WHAT KIND OF GOOFY DIRECTOR WOULD LET JUDGES SIT IN THE AUDIENCE WITH A CONTESTANT? WHAT KIND OF JUDGES WERE THESE TO COME IN AND SIT WITH LOR, KNOWING ALL THE OTHER MOMS AND CONTESTANTS WERE WATCHING. IT WAS IF THEY WEREN'T TRYING TO HIDE THE FACT THAT THEY KNEW THEM THAT'S FOR SURE. HOW ABOUT PRO-AM, THAT WAS ALSO AN ISSUE. THESE JUDGES PICKED THE SIMPLE MODELING AFTER THE DIRECTOR SAID THEY WOULD JUDGE PRO-AM FAIRLY. YA RIGHT. I DONT SEE WHY THESE DIRECTORS DONT PRACTICE WHAT THEY PREACH.

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[> [> [> [> Re: BEWARE OF Major Conflicts of Interest at AMBG NC State -- Anonymous, 15:11:12 04/09/02 Tue

All children have "names"! (and you apparently don't know this child's because you spelled it wrong) The rumor started this weekend by a coach and her group that they knew one of the judges. That is absolutely not true! They had never seen the judge before in their lives. The girls were encouraged to meet and mingle with the judges after the competition was over at the banquet held in honor of the judges. This was clearly stated in the paperwork and announced several times by the director since all events had already been scored. One of the judges had brought her family and L and the daughter met and introduced themselves in the hallway before they went in (and there are several witnesses to this meeting who are also very disgusted by these accusations). The girl asked her mother if she could sit with L so that they could get to know each other. The next day, the girl came back to watch crowning after having met L to see how it all turned out since she had never attended a pageant before. Later, the judge came back to sit with her daughter who was sitting with L. The judge was in the singing/modeling industry or something like that and had never been a judge before so she had no idea how that would start this ugly talk. In fact, when L was called out as 1st Alternate, the judge truly thought L had lost because she didn't know how the overalls worked or any of the winners or scores. L's scores for supreme were several hundred points higher than anyone else's, no one else was even close. There were six judges!!!!! Even if they knew a judge (which was absolutely not true) one judge could not have pulled the pageant with overall scores that varied by hundreds of points (each judge for each event had something like 300 points) L was incredible this weekend and deserved her title. It is one thing to say that, in your opinion, a child didn't seem to deserve her win but another to say the child/parent rigged a pageant. This is a slanderous lie directed to the judge, the director and the family. Since you are so sure that L did not deserve to win, why don't you share with us just who you thought the winner should be?

[> There is absolutely no way that that child's point should have been AS YOU SAY: "L's scores for supreme were several hundred points higher than anyone else's, no one else was even close". She was not that much better. Just goes to show how screwed up this one was! At least if scores were close that would make sense. -- Anonymous, 16:48:29 04/09/02 Tue

[> Re: BEWARE OF Major Conflicts of Interest at AMBG NC State -- Anonymous, 10:42:01 04/08/02 Mon
[> One judge was a previous queens mother who is friends with Kiser. The judge sitting next to her was a friend fo NH's mother. Anywhere he is NH wins. If he doesn't judge she doesn't win . Many kids got nothing they deserved and lots won supremes that shouldn't have even taken a queen. Maybe everyone will realize thant 6 out of 8 supremes were Ambers and they never win anywhere else. If they did win elsewhere it might be a different story. Oh and best dress? HA_HA_HA_HA PLEEEEEASE!!!!!! -- Anonymous, 13:50:48 04/08/02 Mon
[> [> [> Re: One judge was a previous queens mother who is friends with Kiser. The judge sitting next to her was a friend fo NH's mother. Anywhere he is NH wins. If he doesn't judge she doesn't win . Many kids got nothing they deserved and lots won supremes that shouldn't have even taken a queen. Maybe everyone will realize thant 6 out of 8 supremes were Ambers and they never win anywhere else. If they did win elsewhere it might be a different story. Oh and best dress? HA_HA_HA_HA PLEEEEEASE!!!!!! -- Anonymous, 14:28:08 04/08/02 Mon

THIS IS TRUE NOELS MOM DOES KNOW DEAN WELL. HIS LITTLE GIRL DID PAGEANTS WHEN SHE WAS LITTLE. HE WAS THE LARGER OF THE 2 MEN JUDGES.

[> Re: One judge was a previous queens mother who is friends with Kiser. The judge sitting next to her was a friend fo NH's mother. Anywhere he is NH wins. If he doesn't judge she doesn't win . Many kids got nothing they deserved and lots won supremes that shouldn't have even taken a queen. Maybe everyone will realize thant 6 out of 8 supremes were Ambers and they never win anywhere else. If they did win elsewhere it might be a different story. Oh and best dress? HA_HA_HA_HA PLEEEEEASE!!!!!! -- Anonymous, 18:52:24 04/08/02 Mon

the judge you are speaking of had judged many of the girls before not just one or two ect!!!! come on why all the UGLY is that all you have marked in you comp??? so sad!!!! and we have been to many pageants that we have been that NH was at and wins and do you know that none of those judges were there come on the child looked GREAT and DID GREAT.

[> We were one of the ones who warned a friend NOT to go and feel so bad. -- Anonymous, 10:44:53 04/08/02 Mon

The best were not crowned at AMBG State. Anyone that ever considers going to this pageant better get the tape and the truth will prevail. The strongest kids in several groups were very clear. This was supposed to be a full glitz pro-am pageant with modeling counting beginning the 19-35 month group!

Amber's students clearly did not fit this criteria, but they still won. 6 out of 8 supremes were Amber Kiser's students! That never should have happened! The AMBG National Director should pull this director before she destroys the system's reputation.

[> [> We were there and I have to say that it did appear that many of Amber's students in 3 yr old group knew some judges. Her students have been to their house and it was quite the buddy buddy system at this one! Clearly there were some good 3 year olds that got very screwed. I don't think Kiser will be drawing in any kids from any other place than her home state EVER AGAIN! -- Anonymous, 16:56:47 04/08/02 Mon

[> Torn up score sheets found in the trash in the ballroom after competition at AMBG State -- Anonymous, 18:54:02 04/08/02 Mon

This may be your answer to how all those Kiser kids won the overalls. A queens mom found them.

[> [> That explains alot! The few good kids that were able to pull a beauty title because Amber's students got bumped should feel lucky since so many got screwed at this one. What a bunch of sh*t this pageant was! I've never seen anything like it! -- Anonymous, 21:48:10 04/08/02 Mon

[> [> Re: Torn up score sheets found in the trash in the ballroom after competition at AMBG State -- Anonymous, 22:53:24 04/08/02 Mon

ALL JUDGES MAKE MISTAKES, AND IF YOU COMPARE THESE TO THE MASTER AND TO THE SCORE SHEETS HANDED TO THOSE CONTESTANTS YOU WILL SEE THAT THEY ARE IDENTICAL AND THEY WERE ONLY FROM THE BABY GROUPS.
[> [> [> Re: Torn up score sheets found in the trash in the ballroom after competition at AMBG State -- Anonymous, 23:52:01 04/08/02 Mon

They can't be identical if the judge made a mistake. You make no sense. And of course it would match the master because the second score sheet made was used to complete the master. Nice try.
> [> [> Re: Torn up score sheets found in the trash in the ballroom after competition at AMBG State -- Anonymous, 00:24:29 04/09/02 Tue

ALL OF THIS CRAP WAS STARTED BY AERIAL FRANKLINS MOTHER, ABOUT THE TORN UP SCORE SHEETS, A JUDGE BROKE HER GLASSES AND WAS HAVING A HARD TIME SEEING AND WROTE IN THE WRONG SPOT AND IT WASNT ABLE TO BE READ SO SHE TORE IT UP AND LEFT IT ON THE TABLE IN FRONT OF EVERYONE AND WHEN THE ROOM WAS BEING CLEANED UP FOR CROWING THAY WERE THROWN IN THE TRASH I HAVE BEEN TO MANY NATIONALS WHERE JUDGES MAKE MISTAKES AND TEAR UP THE SHEETS AND START THIS DOES NOT MAKE IT WRONG,AGG FABILOUS FACES, AND GLAMOR DOLLS, LETS TALK ABOUT UNFAIR PAGEANTS IF YOU ARE NOT ONE OF THERE PHOTOGRAPHER CLIENTS AND DONT HAVE THERE PICS YOUR SCREWED, YOU TELL ME WHO MADE YOU PAGEANT GOD AND WHO ARE YOU TO SAY THESE CHILDREN DID NOT DESERVE THERE WIN, IF YOU HAD SUCH A PROBLEM THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN A BIG PERSON AND SPOKE TO THE JUDGES YOUSELF LEAVE THE CHILDREN OUT OF THIS, ALL CHILDREN IN PAGEANTS WORK HARD AND YES SOME DESERVE IT AND SOMETIMES SOME DONT, BUT YOY SEE THIS HAPPENING WITH BIG NAMES THEY WIN OFF OF THERE NAMES ALONE, WELL JUST THINK ABOUT ALL OF THE BAD FEELINS YOY HAVE AND IT MAKES YOU A VERY SAD PERSON IF YOU DONT LIKE THE PAGEANT DONT GO BACK. THE END

> [> [> [> Re: Torn up score sheets found in the trash in the ballroom after competition at AMBG State -- Anonymous, 00:47:45 04/09/02 Tue
Congrats! You won the spelling bee. Your award you butt sucked CK to win a rigged crown. You go Ms. Hall.

[> [> [> [> [> Re: Torn up score sheets found in the trash in the ballroom after competition at AMBG State -- Anonymous, 07:49:14 04/09/02 Tue

this is Debra and I DID NOT WRITE THAT so if you think that you very wrong !!!! I would have signed my name if I had wrote that. who are you that wrote MS. HAll Thank you Debra Hall

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[> Re: If you think AMBG was bad: -- Anonymous, 08:17:00 04/10/02 Wed
1st of all, not knowing how to spell a name does not have anything to do with not knowing a contestant, thats just another ploy to take the heat off the real issues here. No one was told to mingle with the judges that is such BS. You people just got caught at your own game. Sitting with contestants at pageants showed this judges inexperience and lack of common sense. As far as the scores being so far apart that is yet another thing for them to brag about. During the dinner the nite before this contestants mom told very loudly , the things that she had not entered, so everyone in the ballroom would know that her child had not entered them. It is no surprise to me that they would brag about how high the scores were. Just to set the record straight

[> Re: If you think AMBG was bad: -- Anonymous, 08:22:11 04/10/02 Wed

1st of all, not knowing how to spell a name does not have anything to do with not knowing a contestant, thats just another ploy to take the heat off the real issues here. No one was told to mingle with the judges that is such BS. You people just got caught at your own game. Sitting with contestants at pageants showed this judges inexperience and lack of common sense. As far as the scores being so far apart that is yet another thing for them to brag about. During the dinner the nite before this contestants mom told very loudly , the things that she had not entered, so everyone in the ballroom would know that her child had not lost those events. It is no surprise to me that they would brag about how high the scores were. Just to set the record straightwho should have won. I am addressing issues that went on that should not have. If you think anyone believes that this was a fairly judges pageant you have a lot to learn about pageants. It was another classic case of very polished children getting the shaft.

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[> [> Re: If you think AMBG was bad: -- Anonymous, 10:50:11 04/10/02 Wed

No, very polished children did not get "the shaft" they won. End of statement. Your beef is YOUR very polished child didn't win. 25% of the beauty scores was your introduction. Many kids did not shine in this area - it made a difference in who won what. Lohr is beautiful, smart & very polished. You are mad because she is good & she won. The director MOST CERTAINLY SAID at orientation, "do not speak to the judges until competition is over. After that time, feel free to mingle with them" Don't believe me, call her. Her number is in the program book. Lohr did not sit with a judge the whole time of crowning, as she was sitting near me for a good portion of it.
There were a bunch of quality kids there who all could have taken the title in various groups had it been their "day" to do so. This was Lohr's day. You are upset only because your pick didn't win. Sore loser. Nice exapmle to set for your students. I know you are a coach.

[> [> [> Re: If you think AMBG was bad: -- Anonymous, 22:25:58 04/10/02 Wed

WRONG AGAIN AND NOW WHO CAN'T SPELL! LOL
[> [> [> Re: If you think AMBG was bad: -- Anonymous, 08:03:48 04/11/02 Thu

thats how she has won in the past, mom stays on the phone with the directors changes coaches without telling the othersshe has quit.mom wants everyone to believe that she is so sweet and doing pag.forfun.Watch out for this mom.
[> [> [> [> Re: If you think AMBG was bad: -- Anonymous, 03:57:44 04/12/02 Fri

LAdy what are you talking about? Are you talking about SB? LB's mom? She is a nice lady & what does changing coaches have to do with the price of tea in China? Free country. What she has to use just one person? Since when? Also what does calling a director have to do with anything? I call a director before a pageant anytime I have a question.

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[> Re: What did I miss? What happened at AMBG state? -- Anonymous, 21:44:42 04/12/02 Fri

I am sorry, but I heard about the torn up score sheets from someone else not April Franklin. I heard several people were going through the trash and talking about them. Why are you blaming her? I know her personally and she has never mentioned them to me! I think if she was going to talk about them she would have told me about it. She never even made a comment about them when I told her I heard about them. You are blaming the wrong person.

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