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Date Posted: 09:30:41 03/13/02 Wed
Author: squeak
Author Host/IP: 12.86.192.211
Subject: You've brought up some very good points
In reply to: WOG 's message, "Before and after" on 23:20:25 03/12/02 Tue

First to your last portion:

"Mother is the word for God on the lips of every child."

Agreed. (This quote is actually the only redeeming line from the most awful movie "The Crowe")

God gave parents that kind of earthly authority. And it is waaaaaaay powerful. I can look back in my life and remember almost exactly when my accountability turned from being accountable to my parents to become accountable before God.

To your very thoughtful question I would like you to answer. What happens to people who've never heard the gospel? Are they automatically remanded to hell? Hear this story:

Once there was an indian tribe who recieved a missionary into their camp. The missionary proceeded to tell them the "good news". They recieved it with great joy. Then he started telling them the other part of the message and what happens to people who don't recieve Christ in this life will be burned for all eternity in the next. The chief began to wail and cry. The missionary said, "Chief what is wrong? Do not worry you have recieved the gospel with great joy! This doesn't apply to you it just demonstrates the urgency we should feel in telling others!" And the Chief said, "Last week my son was killed in battle. This was before we knew anything about this SAvior-King, according to you he will be burned alive forever and ever. This gospel, is very very bad news."

And that is where we are with the good news. It isn't good news to hear that only a minority of people are actually saved. That doesn't produce any peace or joy for me. In fact it has me concerned and DOUBTING God's faithfulness towards people I love. It literally makes God untrustworthy. We can't actually trust Him to do what He says He wants, nor can we have much hope that our prayers can have any power b/c ultimately it is up to man's WILL, not His. He doesn't really have any sovereingty over what man's ultimate "decision".

The duality of man has created the flip side of bad news and tacked it onto God's gospel to make himself soveriegn over his own destiny. If good news has to be balanced with horrific news, it is no longer good it is neutral. And I think alot of people see Christianity in that light. There is nothing good about it, b/c this God of ours doesn't care enough to save people unconditionally. There is a diabolical message to Christianity. And it's time people of the church woke up to it, and started to search their hearts on this issue. If it is such a part of God's plan and word we should be able to meditate upon it day and night and praise God for it. Have you ever tried to do that? Have you ever tried to meditate upon the goodness of eternal hell? The Bible tells us to:

Psa 77:12 I will meditate also of all thy work, and talk of thy doings.
Psa 119:15 I will meditate in thy precepts, and have respect unto thy ways.
Psa 143:5 I remember the days of old; I meditate on all thy works; I muse on the work of thy hands.
1Ti 4:15 Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all

And at the same time don't forget: Phl 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things [are] honest, whatsoever things [are] just, whatsoever things [are] pure, whatsoever things [are] lovely, whatsoever things [are] of good report; if [there be] any virtue, and if [there be] any praise, think on these things.

Eternal hell, pure and lovely? Why don't you tell us how we are supposed to reconcile these statements.

Here's how I do: I believe in God's sovereignty. I do not believe I am better than Him. I believe God loves us more than we love each other, thus burning us forever and ever has as much place in His heart as it does ours towards our children. When speaking about children being burned as sacrifice to Molech, He says: The thought had never even occurred to him. The medieval concept of hell is corruptible man changing the glory of God into an image made like corruptible man. And btw you might be interested to know that Dante was an opium addict. Yet many of his concepts are readily accepted within both the protestant and Catholic Church today.

And that is one other thing. If the Catholic Church was corrupted, what makes you think they got this tradition correct? I mean they were the keepers of the word for over a millennium! They taught people how to read and write it!! What if the test from God is to search Him and know Him as He really is and not be enslaved to the words of a book?

Sincerely :)

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Replies:

WOW squeak awesome -- shy, 10:10:25 03/13/02 Wed
- According to gnosticism squeak -- WOG, 14:24:49 03/14/02 Thu
  - What next? -- WOG, 14:26:53 03/14/02 Thu
    - I was thinking the same thing -- squeak, 20:18:39 03/14/02 Thu
      - Not at all squeak -- WOG, 08:57:16 03/15/02 Fri
        Wog I wish -- squeak, 12:01:07 03/15/02 Fri
        I'm going by her words -- WOG, 13:01:08 03/15/02 Fri
        I didn't take her -- squeak, 00:43:09 03/16/02 Sat
        And what is Perfect Love? -- WOG, 12:52:58 03/16/02 Sat
Meet the real chief -- WOG, 14:21:25 03/14/02 Thu
- It isn't the chief in question -- squeak, 20:19:42 03/14/02 Thu
- Oh I get it -- squeak, 20:25:10 03/14/02 Thu
  - The Sovereignty of God -- WOG, 09:10:53 03/15/02 Fri
    - Re: The Sovereignty of God -- Dennis, 09:39:38 03/15/02 Fri
      - This is such an encouraging -- squeak, 12:06:39 03/15/02 Fri
      - Sorry Dennis -- WOG, 13:31:14 03/15/02 Fri
        Re: Sorry Dennis -- Dennis, 13:44:23 03/15/02 Fri
        I guess silence means -- WOG, 22:06:30 03/15/02 Fri
        Re: I guess silence means -- Dennis, 22:49:18 03/15/02 Fri
        Who is the one sulking? -- WOG, 13:09:50 03/16/02 Sat