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In 77marquette Beats UNC . Good reference -- Ted Delta, 18:03:51 07/01/04 Thu
A good reference for validating fading memories id the infoplease Almanac .
http://www.infoplease.com/ipsa/A0747185.html
Al Mc Quire's Marguette team with Jerome Whitehead knocked off Mike O'Koren (Jersey City guy ) and Walt Davis North Carolina team in final
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'77 memories -- BeatBC (..and PC), 10:11:13 07/02/04 Fri
I spent a lot of time watching that 76-77 team (and have the grades to prove it) - HC beat then-8th ranked PC (for the 2nd time that season)for the NE ECAC bid and our reward was that first rounder against #1 ranked Michigan. I believe that was our last win against a Top-10 team
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Disappointment and Tough Breaks for past BB teams -- TS1970, 14:51:39 07/02/04 Fri
Sorry. I was wrong. Michigan only made it to the Elite 8, not the Final Four, in that 76-77 season (when HC played the Wolverines in that first round game) and was knocked out of the tournament by NC-Charlotte (Cornbread Maxwell was on its team) in the Mid-East Regional Final. However, you are right. Michigan had been ranked #1 in the nation after the regular season.
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Re: Michigan game -- Rick, 12:29:25 07/06/04 Tue
Pete Beckenbach....AIR, he played pretty well in Perry's absense, no ?
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Disappointment and Tough Breaks for past BB teams -- TS1970, 13:59:44 07/06/04 Tue
Sorry, Rick, I don't recall who played in Ron Perry's absence. You have a better memory than I if you can recall that. What I do remember was the feeling that fate had dealt us some lousy cards again. I felt it was bad luck and a great disappointment that two of HC's star players (Perry and O'Connor) were unavailable when HC, for the first time in years, had a really powerful team that, if healthy, was capable of making a run in the tournament.
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To: TS -- Rick, 15:34:09 07/06/04 Tue
Beckenbach - Recall him coming to HC after breaking most of Rick Barry's scoring records at Roselle HS in New Jersey. Prior to Perry's injury, I think he was our 3rd-4th guard.
O'Connor - Very underrated player who I thought was terrific ( great leeper/rebounder ) that year. AIR, he tore his Achillies(sp) tendon just before the Michigan game and was never the same player in his senior season.
Lousy hand dealt us for sure....I also believe we cudda taken Michigan as well at full strength.
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Re: HC/Michigan -- timholycross, 09:15:43 07/09/04 Fri
For some reason, this game popped into my head last night.
We had a player named (no kidding) Charlie Browne. Curt Gowdy was broadcasting the game for NBC and kept calling him "George".
Charlie's career was hampered by a recurring foot injury, as I recall. He did contribute a lot down the stretch in that 76-77 season; plus a couple of years later he played a big part in a HC win at BC.
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Re: HC/Michigan -- timholycross, 09:16:12 07/09/04 Fri
For some reason, this game popped into my head last night.
We had a player named (no kidding) Charlie Browne. Curt Gowdy was broadcasting the game for NBC and kept calling him "George".
Charlie's career was hampered by a recurring foot injury, as I recall. He did contribute a lot down the stretch in that 76-77 season; plus a couple of years later he played a big part in a HC win at BC.
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Re: HC/Michigan -- HC '85, 09:45:15 07/09/04 Fri
Also remember Gowdy calling Michael Vicens
"VINcens" throughout the game.
By the end of the broadcast my whole family was ready to throw our 19" B&W TV out the window Gowdy was so bad!
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Gowdy-Worst Announcer Ever -- KY Crusader '75, 10:54:49 07/09/04 Fri
Curt Gowdy must have been quite the politician because he surely was one of the worst announcers ever to assault a microphone. I grew up with him as the Red Sox announcer and, fittingly, he left the Red Sox to go national just before the Sox improbably won the 1967 pennant with Ken Coleman behind the mike. Gowdy butchered every name other than Smith or Jones. The network would school him before games, literally instruct him on how to pronounce ethnic names and he just fell back on his convenient goober mispronunciations. My favorite was Lynn Shackleford of UCLA, a long name, but one easily broken down into syllables: Shack-Ell-Ford. For Gowdy it was Shackafa. Gowdy complemented the butchering of names with a nasal voice and lack of insight: he was the whole package of ineptness.
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Re: Gowdy-Worst Announcer Ever -- Gowdy or Fouracre?, 11:15:27 07/09/04 Fri
Pick your Poison. Who would you rather have announce a basketball game?
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Gowdyism -- sader1970, 13:30:22 07/09/04 Fri
While watching a basketball game during my days at HC, there was a NCAA final on TV and Gowdy said about one player: "He's the only senior of the 4 starting seniors on this team." I never could figure out what he was trying to say but, more importantly, no one ever whispered in his ear from the control booth to ask him to clarify what he just said or what he meant.
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Re: Gowdy-Worst Announcer Ever -- HC '85, 14:05:20 07/09/04 Fri
Did a quick google search and found the following at anecdotage.com
Sportscaster Curt Gowdy once recapped the final score of an All-Star baseball game. "And at the game's end, it's National League 6, American League 4," he declared. "The score again is American League 6 and National League 4."
I guess it is a tough call between Fouracre & Gowdy!
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Re: Gowdy-Worst Announcer Ever -- not close...4-acre the worst, 15:24:51 07/09/04 Fri
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Re: Gowdy-Worst Announcer Ever -- Gowdy, Murphy & Martin - among the best, 15:45:29 07/09/04 Fri
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Re: Gowdy-Worst Announcer Ever -- timholycross, 21:08:25 07/10/04 Sat
I'm 52. The Curt Gowdy of the 60's and early 70's was a great broadcaster. He was toast* by the time of the aforementioned game vs. Michigan.
Plus, as ABC did with Al Michaels (doing the NBA finals) this year, the guy was over-used, plugged into events that he didn't have much to do with.
*don't know why- booze, boredom, eyesight, no idea which. He wasn't that old, late 50's at most.
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Re: Gowdy-Worst Announcer Ever -- hc69, 14:48:31 07/12/04 Mon
Growing up in CT, I listened to Mel Allen do the Yankees and Red Barber and Vin Scully do the Dodgers, as well as Gowdy and the Sox. When the Dodgers headed west, Barber joined Allen to make up what was probably the best team of baseball announcers ever. I don't think a lot of people know that Gowdy announced Yankee games with Allen before getting the Sox job. He was a good baseball announcer, but I don't think his knowledge of baseball was as extensive as that of Allen and Barber (who was an award-winning sports columnist as well). His knowledge of basketball was less, and listening to him announce AFL football games (with Al DeRogatis?) bordered on torture.
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Re: Gowdy -- Rick, 22:52:15 07/12/04 Mon
Yea but he was great hosting 'American Sportsman' when he and Ted Williams would go deep sea fishing !
Didn't Gowdy work with Paul Christman as his color man for the AFL games ?
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Re: HC/Michigan -- TS1970, 00:42:29 07/10/04 Sat
I think I am also guilty of bad spelling and referring to Michael Vicens as Michael "V-i-n-c-e-n-s." Wasn't the USS Vincens the naval vessel that was boarded and seized by the North Koreans in international waters many years ago? The N. Koreans "claimed" it was spying in their waters. What year was that incident? Wasn't that also in the 70's? How's your memory? Mine is #&*^*#@$!
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Re: HC/Michigan -- TS1970, 01:17:27 07/10/04 Sat
I know the USS PUEBLO was seized in 1968 by the North Koreans, but I sort of recall something happening to a US naval vessel I thought was named the VINCENS. I don't know. Maybe Alzheimer's has already begun to set in.........lol.
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Vincens -- sader1970, 06:47:26 07/10/04 Sat
TS, the Vincens was the ship that was "accidently" hit by Iraqi missles during the Iran-Iraq war with much loss of life. The USA was a non-combatant in that war though we supplied weapons and intelligence to the Iraqis since we were against Iran (Iraq was an "enemy to my enemy and therefore, my friend"). Why you remember it was because after the ship came home and was repaired, the command of the ship was taken over by one of our classmates.
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Re: Vincens -- TS1970, 22:27:37 07/10/04 Sat
THANKS for taking the time to explain. Now it all makes sense why that name "Vincens" was stuck in there. Yes, now I do remember reading in Crossroads at some point about the change in command of that ship and the HC connection.
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Charlie Browne -- BeatBC, 10:54:04 07/09/04 Fri
Charlie Browne had, for me, the signature play of that Michigan game with a basket in the closing seconds of the first half to give us the half-time lead.
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"signature play"?--vicens slam!!- best in 40 yrs? -- hchoops, 16:54:08 07/11/04 Sun
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Re: Rick -- sader1970, 19:42:29 07/01/04 Thu
I have business dealings with Driscoll's younger brother on a regualr basis. Driscoll played in the NBA for something like 3 years and is now the athletic director at William and Mary. His brother is a senior executive with a large national insurance company and another BC grad which we raze each other about the old rivalry all the time.
Ron T. had all the potential in the world on the BB court and it was such a shame that he and Jack D. couldn't see eye to eye.
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To: '69 -- Rick, 12:22:31 07/06/04 Tue
I'm sure you're right on the split my friend....old Roberts Center was rarely kind to either the varsity or the frosh. That place was always cramped and HOT....don't know how they squeezed 4,200 in there.
Was it only BC we ( frosh & varsity ) we played twice in the regular season ? I believe so but am thinking maybe the frosh played PC & Uconn twice as well.
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Re: Ron Teixeira - sader 1970 -- sader1970, 17:34:06 07/01/04 Thu
Rick, thanks for correcting my screwing up coach Donahue's name. I'm mortified as I was a big Donahue fan. And now that I'm home and can look it up, the final score of the UCLA game was 90-67. That '67-'68 season ended with a 15-8 record but the team was only 7-5 going into the game. Following the UCLA loss, the team ran off 8 straight wins including an 89-82 victory over nationally ranked BC, Syracuse, U. Conn and Providence before losing the last two to St. John's and a close loss (90-87) to BC.
About the UCLA game from the 1968 Purple Patcher: "Before a large Madison Square Garden crowd, the squad showed long-awaited spirit and finesse against Mr. Alcindor & Friends, although it was a 90-67 losing cause. However, their respectable performances supplied the fillip to carry them through the roughest line-up on the schedule, and in a winning fashion at that. Siudut again, whose late season surge brought him All-East honors weeke after week, led the pack with 36 points in downing B.U. Then the most glorious of contests followed as the Crusaders stunned nationally-ranked BC, 89-82. Siudut and Hochstein poured in 30 points apiece (editorial comment : wouldn't we like anyone with that kind of scoring ability on today's team? and there was no 3 point shot then), it was the first victory over the Eagles in four years, and Keith was the tenth man to join the Holy Cross 100-point club."
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To: 1970 Re: the UCLA game -- Rick, 13:10:52 07/06/04 Tue
I attended the game as well....
Correct me if I'm wrong but AIR the Bruins came out a little flat and HC actually led 6-2 in the opening minutes prompting the pro-underdog/HC MSG crowd to go into a cheering frenzy ( your's truly included ). Coach Wooden called an angry time-out and really let his troops have it on their bench and....well....that was that as far as the outcome being in any doubt.
BTW, didn't Hochstein and Alcindor nearly come to blows that night ? Keith ( listed at 6'4" 220 ) didn't back down to anyone but thankfully for Hochstein, the then 7'2" 235lb. Alcindor just went about playing the game.
That UCLA team....I believe had Alcindor with 5'11" Lucious Allen and 6'1" Mike Warren ( later an actor of 'Hill Street Blues' fame ) in the backcourt with 6'5" Lynn Shackelford ( what a shooter ! ) and I think 6'7" 225lb. Mike Lynne at the forwards. Four of the five were AA's that year !
BC really played them tough the following night with 6'7" 225lb. Terry Driscoll, 6'9" 220lb. Jim Kissane ( HC's Bob's older brother ) and another 6'8" guy whose name escapes me, being better able to go toe to toe up front with the Bruins than we were sans Teixiera. I think BC lost by only 14-15 points or so.
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Re: the UCLA game - another question? -- BeatBC, 15:08:51 07/06/04 Tue
...wasn't this also the first college basketball game at the new Madison Square Garden?
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Re: the UCLA game - another question? -- Rick, 15:44:07 07/06/04 Tue
Beat -
I think it was supposed to be but I believe completion of the new MSG was delayed and these games wound up at the old building....without checking the HC archives, I'm not 100% sure about this.
BTW, over my workbench at home I still have 2 never used peel-off/stick-on 'BEAT BC' auto bumper stickers circa the early 80's. Guess they qualify as collector's items, eh ?
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To Rick -- BeatBC, 10:54:45 07/07/04 Wed
...I have the same sticker - I used several on cars in the 80's - have one left, proudly displayed amongst other sports memorabilia (including a framed ticket stub from the '77 35-20 shellacking of BC @ Fitton - the only time I ever saw us beat BC in football) - sigh...'Beat Marist' will never have the same ring...
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Re: BC games -- Rick, 11:57:02 07/08/04 Thu
It still irks me that I didn't attend that BC-HC game in '77.
Was it true that only 12,000 or so were in attendance at Fitton ( believe we were a 4-5 TD dog going in ) for the kick-off but by the start of the 4th quarter the crowd had swelled to 15,000+ via the then radio broadcasts and ABC flashing the score on it's college football telecast early that afternoon ?
I DID see the 30-29 triller at old Alumni Stadium which featured Glenn Verette's last minute game-saving interception in our endzone....Man, beating BC at Alumni was sweet !
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Re: BC games -- BeatBC, 10:48:04 07/09/04 Fri
12K+ sounds about right, it was definitely the smallest BC-game crowd I was ever part of. Not sure about the crowd increase during the game. it was Thanksgiving weekend so no students on campus but many were probably close enough to show up after halftime....certainly no-one left early. Hell, I remember how great I felt just seeing us up at half (21-20?)....remains the only time I ever rushed a field after a game.....was away with the Navy for the '78 game - didn't BC end up 0-11 that year?
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Re: Ron Teixeira - sader 1970 -- TS1970, 14:52:18 07/06/04 Tue
Great memory, Rick. Yes, I do recall we had a very brief lead early in the UCLA game. Also, I knew there was a Kissane on the BC team at the time, but you're right. It was Jim not Bob. I also thought that the final score of the BC-UCLA game was closer than a 14-15 point spread, but I am not sure. I do think I recall BC had gotten as close as 8 points in the closing minutes, but the final margin of BC's defeat may have been more than 8. Does anyone have the official final score?
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disagree -- hchoops, 20:33:56 07/06/04 Tue
i saw tex's frosh games and i do not think he would have made any difference in that ucla game,which i also saw--other fans who booed lewie were nyc people who wanted him to stay in nyc at st.john's--tex was not a good post-up player-he had small hands for a 6-9 player-keith h. was ineffective in the post vs lewie(as was everyone else)but he was effective against most of our opponents(i saw most of his sophomore and junior games,and some of his senior ones)
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Re: Ron Teixeira -- sader1970, 19:03:41 07/06/04 Tue
There have been multiple MSGs over the years. The UCLA game was NOT the first at a "new" MSG.
I, too, recall that HC had a quick, very short lead over the then #2 team in the country. I also recall our guards, in particular, outplaying All Americans Hill Street Blues Warren and Lucius Allen because we breezed through their full court press and scored more points. I also recall Keith ready to mix it up with Alcindor and, to use a hockey theme, I was of the impression that Keith would have been happy to have been ejected from the game if he took Alcindor with him. Big Lew was just too big. He scored at will over Hochstein because as tough as Keith was, he just didn't have the height to stop the Alcindor "Sky-hook" (precious few players did whether in college or the pros). If you recall the papers the next day, big Lew was quoted as really perplexed and disapponted by all the boos he got in his "hometown" game. Guess he wasn't smart enough to realize those boos were coming from hundreds of Crusader fans who made the trek from Worcester.
The bottom line to the game was that every time HC made the game close, the Bruins were able to get the ball into Alcindor who popped a short hook shot over Hochstein. Though I don't have the stats, I'm sure that if someone could find them, Alcindor scored more points than the winning differential. We lost by 23 but Alcindor had something in excess of 30 points and maybe closer to 35. I don't recall Keith scoring much at all. That's why, all the talk at the time was how angry we were that Ron T. didn't play and wasn't even on the team. No one thought he would have outplayed Lew but almost to a person, people who saw the game and knew Ron's potential felt he would have held Alcondor's scoring down and probably would have scored more than Keith.
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