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Date Posted: 22:53:48 02/02/03 Sun
Author: mt. healthy mountaineer
Subject: Re: What I think...
In reply to: mvd 's message, "Re: What I think..." on 13:29:46 02/02/03 Sun

MVD: So who is evil? Who is good? Why cling to such notions?

Because they do exist - and to say otherwise is to be blind.

I've never said that an invasion of Iraq was the course of action I would take. I've heard little hard evidence for an invasion. In fact, I remain unconvinced.

But, when talk turns on the line that its all a big Texas oil plot or its a power grab for the Iraqi oil fields (for those that think so - READ!!!!! We owned them at the end of the Gulf War - lock, stock and barrel. What did we do? We got them running again and gave them back within days) or we shouldn't pick on them because they're smaller (Weapons of Mass Destruction make even the smallest country a major player - why do you think we show respect to North Korea???) than I get irritated.

MVD's comments on US and breaking treaties: The United States is notorious for it.

Other than with the Indians (which was deplorable behavior, to be sure) can you come up with something in the last 100 years? Or, are we forever lumped in with egomaniacal freaks that use chemical weapons on women and children?

On oil - I think you are completely misinterpreting what I thought I clearly stated - it was all about oil at first. Now its about a leader evading his responsibilities to an agreement. Its not like these responsibilities are trivial matters like minute border changes, etc. This is a man who financially supports the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. He has supported terrorist groups in the past with money and offering haven. He has owned and used Chemical weapons. He has owned biological weapons (maybe used them, maybe not). He refuses to show that he has destroyed these weapons. Anyone can add these things together and see what could happen.

On this same vein - I actually heard a protester state that maybe we should bomb England and France and North Korea because they also have Weapons of Mass Destruction. The distinction here is clear - The English, the French and the Noth Koreans are not using these weapons, they're not sending out terrorists to use them and they don't even keep their existance secret. They are not for sneak attacking an unsuspecting populace.

MVD: There is no question that Hussein is a ruthless and terrible leader. There is no question, either, that if he gains control of nuclear weapons and is able to seize control of major oil fields that the world will be put into a serious bind. I think we forget just how important oil is to our survival as a modern nation. Yet, to push forth war-minded agenda is never a hopeful policy.

So - you admit he's ruthless and terrible (I'm assuming you mean generally imcompetent and not a bad man since that would be a "pointless" label. I would say, to the contrary, that he is a quite effective leader - its just that his agenda goes only to satisfying himself and that's what makes him evil) and you admit that it would be bad if he got hold of a nuke. Probably, you'd feel the same about biological and chemical weapons as well. You say it would be very bad if he snagged more oil fields (I doubt that is on his agenda at this point in time myself - too many NATO troops in the area, plus Israel) and that the free flow of oil is of critical importance to our economy (and by extension - the world's since we produce about 25-35% of the world's wealth - depending on whose stats you use).

So, I guess the point to all of this writing is this: Tell me, Mark - how do you deal with a RUTHLESS man? Do you sign more agreements? That's why we're at this point now.

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Re: What I think... -- Adilbrand, 23:29:46 02/02/03 Sun
- I've been waiting for this one... -- Mt. Healthy Mountaineer, 09:46:02 02/03/03 Mon
  - I was compelled to do it! -- Adilbrand, 22:56:23 02/03/03 Mon
    - Re: I was compelled to do it! -- Mt. Healthy Mountaineer, 15:35:28 02/04/03 Tue
Re: What I think... -- Xanthor, 08:42:43 02/03/03 Mon
- Kyoto Treaty -- mt. healthy mountaineer, 09:31:54 02/03/03 Mon
How to deal with a ruthless man -- mvd, 10:47:55 02/03/03 Mon
- see my other remarks on Kyoto - it is apparently a common misperception (NT) -- Mt. Healthy Mountaineer, 15:22:37 02/03/03 Mon
  - I see your post and raise you... -- mvd, 16:03:56 02/03/03 Mon
    - my comments (parenthetically highlighted) for fun and profit! -- Mt. Healthy Mountaineer, 16:07:05 02/04/03 Tue
      - You sidestep the issues very nicely -- mvd, 10:06:26 02/05/03 Wed
        Re: You sidestep the issues very nicely -- mt. healthy mountaineer, 12:39:08 02/05/03 Wed
        Re: You sidestep the issues very nicely -- mvd, 13:51:50 02/05/03 Wed
        History books -- mt. healthy mountaineer, 16:19:16 02/05/03 Wed
        Re: History books -- mvd, 18:08:27 02/05/03 Wed
        oye vay! -- mt. healthy mountaineer, 21:27:37 02/07/03 Fri
- Re: How to deal with a ruthless man -- Mt. healthy mountaineer, 16:00:17 02/03/03 Mon
  - Star Wars and more arguing! -- mvd, 16:33:40 02/03/03 Mon