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Subject: Re: Citizenship


Author:
K Pelle
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Date Posted: 11:15:30 06/03/15 Wed
In reply to: Freddy 's message, "Re: Citizenship" on 17:19:53 06/02/15 Tue

>If your mother was born in the US, she is a US
>citizen. There are very few exceptions, mainly having
>to do with diplomatic personnel from other countries.
>
>Your case is hard to tell. I suspect you are a US
>citizen, but the US government doesn't know about it.
>The usual procedure for US citizens born in other
>countries is to register the birth with an embassy or
>consulate. If they didn't do that with you, the US
>government doesn't know about you. You could still
>register, given the proper documentation, but it
>doesn't sound like you want to.
>
>If you want a real answer as opposed to an amateur
>reading of the law and the cases I have read, you
>would need to ask a lawyer familiar with US
>immigration law. As you are only asking for an
>opinion, rather than fighting with the immigration
>authorities, it would probably be cheap.
>
Actually, I knew the correct answer to my question, but I left out a few important details. In the first place my grandparents were Swedish citizens who were immigrating to Canada and had the paperwork to prove that, so they were classed as migrants by the US authorities. For some reason they were put on a train and sent west and ended up in the Dakotas where my mother was born in 1900. The question of where she had been born didn't even come up until she reached the age of 65, which was when she applied for retirement benefits with the Canada Pension Plan. At that point she had to prove her birth date and the only proofs she had were accepted by the govt were taken from a family Bible, a baptismal record for a Church in the Dakotas and her parent's immigration papers. Mom's name did NOT show up on the Swedish emigration records, but it was on the Canadian immigration records of my Grandparents and their children when they crossed the Canada-US border. To complicate matters the US authorities had no record of Mom's birth, but somehow the Morman's in Utah did. As a result it took almost two years for Mom to trace down her date of birth so she could get CPP.

To be honest I threw the question out to clarify the 'old' (and sometimes much simpler) registrstion of births or deaths. As I understand it church records and town hall records were all a lot of the early pioneering communities used to keep track of folks.

K Pelle

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Author:
Doug
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Date Posted: 20:20:42 06/03/15 Wed

And I thought my possible US Citizenship due to screwy Canadian immigration issues was an issolated one ... My Grandfather was born in the US near the turn of the century and came to Canada at the age of 3, never took Canadian Citizenship and took my infant father back to the US while he was in University as a young adult .... I may have a dual citizen claim ... We were looking into it when I was out of work a number of years ago and applying for work in the US.

Doug


>>If your mother was born in the US, she is a US
>>citizen. There are very few exceptions, mainly having
>>to do with diplomatic personnel from other countries.
>>
>>Your case is hard to tell. I suspect you are a US
>>citizen, but the US government doesn't know about it.
>>The usual procedure for US citizens born in other
>>countries is to register the birth with an embassy or
>>consulate. If they didn't do that with you, the US
>>government doesn't know about you. You could still
>>register, given the proper documentation, but it
>>doesn't sound like you want to.
>>
>>If you want a real answer as opposed to an amateur
>>reading of the law and the cases I have read, you
>>would need to ask a lawyer familiar with US
>>immigration law. As you are only asking for an
>>opinion, rather than fighting with the immigration
>>authorities, it would probably be cheap.
>>
>Actually, I knew the correct answer to my question,
>but I left out a few important details. In the first
>place my grandparents were Swedish citizens who were
>immigrating to Canada and had the paperwork to prove
>that, so they were classed as migrants by the US
>authorities. For some reason they were put on a train
>and sent west and ended up in the Dakotas where my
>mother was born in 1900. The question of where she
>had been born didn't even come up until she reached
>the age of 65, which was when she applied for
>retirement benefits with the Canada Pension Plan. At
>that point she had to prove her birth date and the
>only proofs she had were accepted by the govt were
>taken from a family Bible, a baptismal record for a
>Church in the Dakotas and her parent's immigration
>papers. Mom's name did NOT show up on the Swedish
>emigration records, but it was on the Canadian
>immigration records of my Grandparents and their
>children when they crossed the Canada-US border. To
>complicate matters the US authorities had no record of
>Mom's birth, but somehow the Morman's in Utah did. As
>a result it took almost two years for Mom to trace
>down her date of birth so she could get CPP.
>
>To be honest I threw the question out to clarify the
>'old' (and sometimes much simpler) registrstion of
>births or deaths. As I understand it church records
>and town hall records were all a lot of the early
>pioneering communities used to keep track of folks.
>
>K Pelle
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Author:
K Pelle
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Date Posted: 02:09:47 06/04/15 Thu

>And I thought my possible US Citizenship due to screwy
>Canadian immigration issues was an issolated one ...
>My Grandfather was born in the US near the turn of the
>century and came to Canada at the age of 3, never took
>Canadian Citizenship and took my infant father back to
>the US while he was in University as a young adult
>.... I may have a dual citizen claim ... We were
>looking into it when I was out of work a number of
>years ago and applying for work in the US.
>
>Doug
>
>
Actually the First World war is probably responsible for many of the changes in registration of births and deaths throughout most of North America, if not the world. I know it certainly did in Canada, even though I wasn't around to see it happen, but I certainly heard a lot of stories about the changes that were made.

K Pelle


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