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Subject: Dead Forum Author: Brandon Weaver [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 15:00:09 12/18/06 Mon Seems this forum is a bit dead these days. For there to be so many guys training MMA in NC these days that seems a bit odd. So I ask a few things, Chuck I would like some of the instructors to post a few drills they like to put new guys through with regards to getting started grappling. Also how long do you take before emphasising submissions to new guys ( I like for people I train around to have a basis in position first, but how much of a base do they need?)vs positioning, or do you emphasize one over the other? [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: Dead Forum Author: Brandon Weaver [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:01:27 12/18/06 Mon OOPs delete the name Chuck above, was going to comment on Chuck-Tito and changed my mind. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Dead Forum Author: Twister [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:02:13 12/19/06 Tue This forum is dead these days. For us we really focus on just the basics for new guys. The same OLD stuff that is in the gracie basic and intermediate series. Funny how this is the stuff you see being pulled off in MMA. The x-guard, the quarter guard are tournament moves and series. I have yet to see them used in MMA. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Dead Forum Author: Ses [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:51:07 12/19/06 Tue Brandon, Good to hear from ya bro..... I've recently started training a new group back in August and basically it's positional escapes 90% of the time and basic strategy of strike to submission. The first month is usually Takedowns, escape the mount, guard and side positions. --This is basically repetition drilling --During this phase I measure the reaction time between movements then begin to create chain movements --Once three or more Chains are created --We go into one sided drills (One opponent attacks the other defends) --Takedowns to Positional control will eventually dominate all grappling session so it becomes the cornerstone of our training for the months to follow. --With a heavy emphasis on remidal drills and coaching. going live is not the immediate goal, however, if a guy should come in with some background in MMA, BJJ, Wrestling or contact martial arts, we try to go to the point of his current understanding and progress from there. As far as Subs go....once a fighter begins to exhibit signs of control over his opponent, transition (control over himself), and the ability to escape.....we begin to work on the subs. Robbie Adams and I use to train under an instructor who fed us alot in terms of submissions and counters but when we started to fight we realized that all of our problems came from not know what posture to keep, how to escape certian postions and never recognizing the setup.....so once the fighters broke away and began to train one another we mainly focused on Takedowns / Positional dominance and escapes. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Dead Forum Author: Brandon Weaver [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:24:32 12/21/06 Thu Thanks for the reply's Jason and Ses. Tell me more Jason, I am sure Brain asks about this kind of thing anyway, but I am trying to get more people to chime in too. How long on a given training day would you say you drill one position or positional transition? Such as a side mount escape or basic sweep? And do you favor one for an extended time and rotate them? This can apply for full MMA or Grappling only. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Dead Forum Author: Guy [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:29:18 12/22/06 Fri With our beginners we usually pick a certain position (i.e. closed guard, cross side, mount, etc.) and focus on that one position for an entire week. And from there we focus mostly on position and escapes. I guess you can say we try and utilize a lot of positional training drills. For example mount, the goal for the guy on top is to just hold that position and for the bottom guy escape. We also use the king of the hill drill like the guard passing version. As for subs we incorporate the more basic ones (armbar, rnc, triangle, etc.) once the begninners seem to have an understanding of the position. Just my 2cents. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Dead Forum Author: Ses [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:27:50 12/22/06 Fri BJJ instructors, How much time is spent in the Gi, in the early weeks (regarding beginners)?? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Dead Forum Author: Guy [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:37:16 12/22/06 Fri For our beginners ... all the time. I think you have to keep in mind the instructors philosophy on the whole gi vs. no-gi training thing. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Dead Forum Author: Chris [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 01:13:41 12/25/06 Mon nice to see some activity on here. i get tired of all the junk on mma.tv i would much rather see comments from some one that i may see around locally. Guy, i hear Rolles Gracie is visiting the VA Beach gym soon. Is he comming to Wake Forrest? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Dead Forum Author: Guy [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:26:30 12/26/06 Tue Chris, Rolles will be up at Gustavo's on January 13th. I'm planning on going up with a few guys from our place. But, we don't have Rolles scheduled for a seminar at our place (Wake Forest) this time around. Would love to have him down though sometime in 2007. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Dead Forum Author: Tracey [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:48:29 12/26/06 Tue I'm not an instructor but I like to see new people wear gi's for at least 6 months or so. Just seems like new guys get in bad habits of relying on muscle or sweat to get out of subs. Gi teaches the technique. Of course it depends on your goals I guess. Some people who only want to do mma don't want to ever wear the gi. Also, I hate the new guy who won't buy a gi for 8 months but latches on to yours like there is no tomorrow when rolling. Good to see this forum with some discussion again. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Dead Forum Author: Brandon Weaver [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:38:33 12/28/06 Thu I dont wear a Gi and havent worn one to train in for over 6 years. I dont grab one when I roll with a guy wearing one, But I can understand the frustration of the concept. For MMA I think alot of strong arguments could be made for wearing a Gi and not wearing one. Personally if a person does not seek BJJ ranking or to compete in Gi competitions I see no need for the Gi. But yes alot of shite will fly with no Gi that does not happen with a Gi, but it has its benefits, you tend to set up no Gi armlocks alot tighter, and pay much better attention to small details like squeezing the thighs together, etc. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Dead Forum Author: Twister [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 00:05:53 01/02/07 Tue I guess when I wear and don't wear a gi depends on what is comming up. I require all new guys to wear one. When I teach class we do it in a gi. IF guys want to roll no-gi on open mat days they are welcome to. If a guy is fighting they don't roll in a gi while training, except on open mat days you'll see them put the gi on as well. As for how long to train beginners in what? I stick with teach them to perfect the bascis. I leave out a lot of the fancy stuff till they have gotten a handle on the basics. I don't tap advanced guys out with anything but the basics and when I get caught it is positioning and transitions to the basics that get me caught. Most basic moves are the same gi or no-gi except the availability of chokes. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]