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Date Posted: 00:16:38 06/11/00 Sun
Author: Peter
Subject: Re: References & Definitions
In reply to: Arista 's message, "Re: Moe vs. Conv. Golf" on 23:18:29 06/10/00 Sat

>
> It's very much on plane. Draw a line between the ball
> and the hosel and you'll see Moe's clubface is nearly
> parallel to that line making it on the plane

The plane to which I refer is the 'Hogan sheet of glass' from the ball to the shoulder. The way I see picture #4 the club face is not parallel to that line but about 10-20 degrees more vertical. Do you see it differently?
>
> This would be excessively open. A square
> clubface is one that is parallel to the spine in the
> position you describe. To be slightly closed the
> clubface would nearly have to be facing the ground.
>
As I said, Ctumflog said that with NG the club face was square to the swing plane for most of the swing. To me this means the club face is at a right angle to the swing plane (as demonstrated in the 'square tracking' drills. Do you agree with Ctunflog's statement? If Ctunflog meant 'square' in the sense of beiing roghly on plane then I would agree but this does not fit with the context of his statement (as this would apply to conventional golf and is not a differntiator of NG).

However Ctunflog can certainly clarify his meaning on this point.

> The clubface should be parallel to the spine when the
> shaft is parallel to the ground. Read Swing Like a
> Pro by Dr. Ralph Mann to correctly understand what
> you should be doing in the conventinal swing.

Dr. Mann has one interpretation of the swing. Others do not agree as Dr. Mann pointed out about 'Search for the Perfect Swing' and others on pages 10&11 of 'Swing Like a Pro'. Having had a class at Compusport (one of Dr. Mann's related enterprises) I am very aware of some of the strengths and weaknesses of his interpretation especially as applied to SA.

The photo sequence that I mentioned of Duval and Tiger do not show what Dr. Mann says is the proper position in Fig. 6-20 on page 164. Does this make them incorrect? I understand Dr. Mann's rationale as explained in Chapter 7 but it should be noted that this rationale is related to a conventional golf setup and grip.

Peter

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