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Subject: QED Author: Capt. Slapdash [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: "Thu, Apr 14 2011, 1:22:30 GMT" In reply to: bryan b jnr 's message, "change" on "Thu, Apr 14 2011, 0:13:29 GMT" We need the new stand. As far as I'm aware the monies for that can't be spent on anything else anyway, and thinking this through: The functions that can be held away from rugby in the proposed spaces create revenue that can actually be spent on playing squad, coaches, staff. Which hopefully will create a more successful first team on the field. Which will help bring in the supporters and sponsors to fill the stand. Which will create more revenue to support that growth on the field. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> [> Subject: Look at Ourselves Author: Gnasher [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Thu, Apr 14 2011, 11:23:50 GMT" A new stand will enhance the club for spectators, sponsors, local community use and players. As the money for this comes from a separate budget why knock it? Over the years the club Directors have performed minor miracles to get (and keep us) where we are. This includes bringing in fresh faces half way through the season and during a period of considerable economic uncertainty. How many extra supporters did we manage to bring along or what additional products did we buy in the club shop/bar during this period? Whilst we are a long way off the Premiership how many other clubs in the Championship are ready for this? As for the coaches, I am sure they recognise mistakes they have made over the season. Hopefully they will learn from them and we will be stronger for it next season. Do we not make mistakes at work or in some of the comments and opinions we make on matchdays? It's always easy to say there is somebody better out there but what have these 'alternatives' achieved at the same or higher level? How much would it cost and who is going to pay for it? Furthermore, let's think about why some of these talented players are attracted to Moseley in the first place. It could be because we have a couple of former international players as coaches, one of which has proved himself capable of getting a team promoted and winning a Twickenham cup final. I am not saying everything in the Moseley 'garden' is rosy and communication between the club and supporters is a possible area for improvement. Raise opinions by all means, but remember some of those we knock have put their hands deep into their own pockets and/or go away from matches equally as upset as the rest of us when we lose. If we want to change things we must get involved. The MSA is a good start or failing that, bring along some friends/family to the next match or better still find a sponsor. If we all brought 1 extra person along or 10 new sponsors were attracted over the season how much additional revenue would that generate? It's an old cliche, but united we stand divided we fall. We are still a Championship club and we are still in business. We also have dedicated and committed people working hard to move us forward. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: well said gnasher Author: confusedfan [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Thu, Apr 14 2011, 12:41:24 GMT" Gnasher I think you covered everything I wanted to say, I just wonder what the relationship is like between Alan Adam, John Beale,Dave Warren and Ian Smith ? I have read what certain people have said about the board on here, but they have kept the Club afloat, I think that The Board must be very dissapointed with The Squad we had, and where we finished, I am sure that they would be expecting to finish at least challenging for that 8th spot ! On the other hand, I spoke to Andy Williams many times and he said he really enjoyed his time playing for Moseley and Smithy. So who can tell us as supporters where does the problem with the teams performances across The Season really lie ???? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: My two pence worth.... Author: Red&Black Pear [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Thu, Apr 14 2011, 14:06:58 GMT" Several points made above -some good, some not so. Sone I agree with,others I dont so for what it's worth here are mine. Moseley underperformed this season - massively - again. To answer the sarcastic post about "expecting The Premiership" - no but with the squad we had from the start of the season a finnish from 6th to 8th was a realistic and achievable target. The reason we missed it? I'm not sure for certain but the team looked very very flat on several occasions and the coaching staff didnt seem to be able to lift them or change the focus. Time to refresh the coaching staff? In my opinion, yes. The Stand. I can see the reasoning behind building it and the Exeter model is an excellent one. There is one big difference - Exeter were well supported before they moved to Sandy Park (anyone else remember those trips to the County Ground?) and like it or not Moseley are NOT well supported - all you need to do is ask where all the people who went to Twickenham 3 years ago are now or where they'd been for the previous 10 years! Build the stand but not 5000 seats - maximum 1000 with 10-12 boxes, a good big bar and a good function room or two and spend the rest on improving the paths around the ground, the toilets, the shop and the bl***y car park!!!! The Board. They've kept this club alive in difficult times through sheer hard work and willpower on occasions and for that I applaud them but they are not supermen (it's not a "miracle" as someone said earlier to be able to fund signings half way through the season it's called contingency planning) and I hope they would admit that they need help and ask for it if required - they may be doing this behind the scenes and we don't know about it - and wouldn't turn it down if offered. I'm no expert on these matters but talking to people who've built businesses/clubs up from where we are might not be a bad idea. Giving Mr Rowe at Exeter a ring might ne a good place to start. The Supporters - yes US! We need to do two things. First - help the club in anyway we can be it suggesting corporate leads, volunteering to do gate/car park duty, helping the MSA, bringing friends or even just turning up week after week - it all helps. The second thing we supporters need to do relates to this board. Not everyone in this life holds the same views and we all have the right to express those views however controversial. This board should be a place where ALL Moseley supporters can argue their point about the club, the team, coaches etc whenever they feel so inclined and without sarcastic, personal or "you don't know what you're talkign about" style responses. The board is an open one and several people at a club local to me track it and are amazed at how vitriolic some of the responses to what are perfeclty reasonable and legitimate comments are. We all - me included - need to grow up and calm down. See you all Saturday. Red&Black Pear [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Crowds Author: Red 'n' Black [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Thu, Apr 14 2011, 14:42:17 GMT" The crowds issue is clearly crucial in helping to fund a competitive squad. Take Bedford, who are perhaps the closest club to us in terms of past and recent history. They have outdone us on the pitch in recent years, but have much bigger crowds than us - about 1,000 more, I believe. I'm guessng tha gnerates at least anoter £200,000 a year. Add that to our players' budget, and I think we, too, would be near guaranteed top eight each year, just as Bedford are. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Crowds Author: Greg [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Thu, Apr 14 2011, 16:04:40 GMT" I had an idea a while ago which I think now may be worth mentioning again. One way to improve crowds is to make it easy for people to come to our ground. Getting to Bils is a pain unless you drive then you also have parking problem. So two things, we run a free shuttle mini bus on match days from outside Barclays in Moseley high street and or some other loacl areas such as New Street for travelling fans, Kings Heath Cricket club Harborn High Street etc. the cost of which comes out of the match ticket they buy on the bus. Here the the good catch, who ever comes on the bus then will have to have a few beers after the game before the shuttle bus can get them back. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: message Author: Greg [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Thu, Apr 14 2011, 16:20:05 GMT" Sorry pressed wrong button, I don't know pissed again. I'm sure that as a way of reducing traffic and saving the enviroment maybe the council would get behind this sort of plan, maybe a local taxi firm would do deal re transport etc. Also travelling fans could also park at Beckets and probably shop with them etc. I sure a few of the firms in Moseley would help to sponsor a bus service if after the game you were droped off at the Kababish etc. Remenber, who the hell wants to stand on the Yardley Wood Road in the dark on a Saturday night waiting for a public bus in the rain. Once something like this got off the ground I'm sure people would start to use the service in Moseley as a pre night out. We got to make it easy to get to our ground and enjoy the Moseley Rugby community experiance. Well just an idea. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Parking Author: Rich2 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Thu, Apr 14 2011, 19:07:02 GMT" When has there been a parking problem.There are two car parks and i have never seen them full. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Parking Author: Rich2 [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Thu, Apr 14 2011, 19:12:00 GMT" When has there been a parking problem.There are two car parks and i have never seen them full. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Parking Author: Greg [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Thu, Apr 14 2011, 19:28:29 GMT" Sorry you miss understand what I ment. It's not a question we don't have space, it's already a concern to residents, thats why AA is so concerned. Well if we may hace a potential issue now, it probably would only get worse whith another 1000-2000, wel hopefully! Any way just an idea thats all. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Access to Billesley? Parking? No problem! Author: Comms Team [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: "Fri, Apr 15 2011, 17:01:05 GMT" Greg - We're always interested in ideas and some of those you've put down are certainly worth exploring. By giving business to local companies they hopefully will reciproate and advertise/sponsor us. I'll collar you (in a nice friendly way of course!) at the game on Sat and chat through how we could move these ideas on. However - in case any thinks there is a current parking/access problem: We've got an approved transport plan for way above the current attendances. We have very little (in fact probably no) problem with our neighbours regarding parking as everyone can be accomodated in the 'official' car parks. If you recall, our biggest gate since moving to Billesley was the Saints game a few years ago. We were able to park the cars comfortably be using satelite parking areas at the schools around the common. This was 4x (more) than our average gate. Access to Billesley Common by public transport is probably the best for any rugby club in the country - if not any sports club. If you go to 'how to find us' on the website you can see the number of buses that stop within 100 yards or so of the ground. You can also scroll further down that page and put in your home postcode and B13 0PT to get a personalised public transport route by bus and train. Regarding taxis - Ambassador Cars have an advertising hoarding in front of the hospitality boxes and are the preferred cab company for the club. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]