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[> [> [> I don't know Cabbie, I don't see many T&B'ers left touting how wonderful the pairing is anymore. Most of the ones I know are glad it's over, it's been an embarrassment since the wedding. But the fact still remains that for two years you and others have trashed RH and Todd up one side and down the other, yet all of a sudden he's no longer trash worthy (acting the same exact way) cause he's with the TROLL, come on, do you see now hypocritical and moronic that looks?....Sheesh, been there done that and I'm NOT going there again unless I have to.. -- Candy, with a memory as long as TeaUGH's vibrator, 08:35:21 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> Candy .... -- Cabbie, 08:55:46 05/18/02 Sat

What the heck are you talking about???? T&Bers aren't touting the wonders of T&B?? Are you even reading the posts ON THIS BOARD? LOL!! (not everyone, but there are PLENTY of T&Bers out there crying out the groans of orgasmic T&B love to make your statement pretty darn humorous). Sheesh.

The only ones who look like morons are the ones running around calling OTHERS morons when they aren't acknowledging where they are standing.

As to RH's performance and TODD ... this is NO different from those people who posted on WALLS how Todd had't been MORE TODD in years only to have GT call Todd a doofus. PLEASE don't ignore the 'facts' on how people behave. It's ridiculous at this point ... EVERY criticism of a TnTer will go flying RIGHT back in the face of B/ter.

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[> [> [> [> [> I too am tired of this argument. Still, I disagree w/you that every criticism of TnTers has its complement in the T&B fanbase. First of all, the TnTers are so d@mn gushy about those sexual glances, etc. Yeah, there area few T&B RP shows, but just a FEW--not hundreds. And the scary thing about those RP shows is that, between those longing glances, there were PUNCHES and mindgames. Second, the TnTers have survived so long on so little! T&Bers had 1991 & beyond; TnT had a few measly years with very little to love and lots to hate during that time. Sorry, IMO they just aren't equivalent. -- Philosopher, 09:32:04 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> ROFL!! Yeah, Phil, whatever you say .. I am SORRY ... one RP show is equal a hundred. TnTers are too gushy but B/ters aren't - oh wait, they're not THAT gushy .... -- Cabbie, 09:37:03 05/18/02 Sat

A clue: "Sure what Todd was bad when he said to get rid of the baby, but he held it so delicately and beautifully. The way he handed the baby to Paloma - you knew how much he loved that child and Blair." Posted by a B/ter in a state of rapture.

OH GOOD LORD ... I am not kidding, someone wrote that ... but TnTers "gush too much" on so very little. GMAB!!

Everyday, with every post by persons of the "opposing superior viewpoint," I become more firmly entrenched in my opinions of these "vastly different fanbases."

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> So you save T&B posts??? NOW I'm scared.... -- Philosopher, 09:42:20 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> No .... that was a paraphrase. -- Cabbie, 09:46:25 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> What a shame! Some of them are truly profound! -- OTWB, 16:29:18 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> Cabbie.... -- Candy, 10:39:42 05/18/02 Sat

I will admit to getting screwed royally but at least I had the good sense to bring the grease, you guys are gushing the same as last time, seems to me the "GOTCHA" baseball bat up the old ying yang during TROLLSTROLL would have been quite enough. I guess not!!! Don't say you weren't warned, how many times is that now?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> And Candy .... -- Cabbie, 11:14:11 05/18/02 Sat

Yeah ... we've been warned - by the Gushers not to Gush. Candy - I'd take the warning with more "seriousness" if I hadn't seen the gushing I've seen coming from your camp. AND I'd give even MORE credence to the warning if I hadn't read years' worth of posts about how lame and twitty the TnTers were for gushing early on. I really would feel differently.

As a note, *I* am not gushing whatsoever at this point. GT is an ASSHOLE. However, like YOU, if I see something gushworthy, I'll gush JUST BECAUSE!!! And if I find something to GLOAT about ... you bet your bippy I'll gloat. And if I don't have either thing ... nothing to gush, nothing to gloat over - well then I won't!!

But if my TnT/ATBsisters find something to gush over ... GREAT!! And I will sit back and LMAO at the B/ters, the Gushers Supreme, actually having the GALL to criticize or mock the TnTers for doing what they've always done, what they turned into an art form (LOL!! I love my ATBSisters!!) and BY GOLLY for doing what the B/ters have been doing for "TWO YEARS" - the B/ters creating their OWN unique form of "non-gushing gushing."

Let the Church of Manning Messiahs commence its Mass of Forgiveness ....

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> You think you could hum a few bars of Ave Maria to get us started? -- OTWB, 11:19:55 05/18/02 Sat

>Yeah ... we've been warned - by the Gushers not to
>Gush. Candy - I'd take the warning with more
>"seriousness" if I hadn't seen the gushing I've seen
>coming from your camp. AND I'd give even MORE credence
>to the warning if I hadn't read years' worth of posts
>about how lame and twitty the TnTers were for gushing
>early on. I really would feel differently.
>
>As a note, *I* am not gushing whatsoever at this
>point. GT is an ASSHOLE. However, like YOU, if I see
>something gushworthy, I'll gush JUST BECAUSE!!! And if
>I find something to GLOAT about ... you bet your bippy
>I'll gloat. And if I don't have either thing ...
>nothing to gush, nothing to gloat over - well then I
>won't!!
>
>But if my TnT/ATBsisters find something to gush over
>... GREAT!! And I will sit back and LMAO at the
>B/ters, the Gushers Supreme, actually having the GALL
>to criticize or mock the TnTers for doing what they've
>always done, what they turned into an art form (LOL!!
>I love my ATBSisters!!) and BY GOLLY for doing what
>the B/ters have been doing for "TWO YEARS" - the
>B/ters creating their OWN unique form of "non-gushing
>gushing."
>
>Let the Church of Manning Messiahs commence its Mass
>of Forgiveness ....

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> ZING!!!...LOL -- Candy, 11:35:26 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Oh nooooo .... the Church of Manning Messiahs has its own 'original' music sung by the gazillions of weeping enraptured congregants because they're so darn 'original'!! -- Cabbie, 11:35:30 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> Hardly, Cabbie -- OTWB, 10:58:58 05/18/02 Sat

This storyline is VERY Todd, it didn't surprise ME when he turned in her clothes, it didn't surprise me when he set her up at the wedding either. Even the dead baby lie didn't surprise me, shocking that it was, it was Todd. He's selfish, wants it his way or the highway. The UN Todd part of it was his inability to cover his ass, and LEARN from his mistakes. SOME of the things that I felt were UN Todd were the very things that some of your buddies ate with a spoon. The crap about coach and the Ickster trying to "save" Todd and him actually buying it for the first thirty minutes or so, was VERY Un Todd, but boy was it tripish as hell!!!! DTG or the "goof" as you like to put it, came from the Knoll... do any of you EVER come up with ANYTHING remotely original?????

At the time, my take on DTG was that he was just the leftovers from tripe... remember Booby boy? At least he wasn't violent and taking hostages... small blesings that mean a LOT. IMHO. I didn't bust Roger's chops during tripe for not doing his job, I busted the WRITERS of that garbage for putting those idiotic words in his mouth, just like I busted McTrash and Phelps for feeding on it, THIS time around. They had some GREAT moments, and I acknowledged them, but they did some major damage and there was NO one happier when McTrash and Phelps hit the road then me and I wasn't real quiet about it either. I'm not taking it back either, Cabbie. They were hacks!

Funny thing about this installment of Todd and Blair... I saw MORE destruction to them as characters and their dynamic to keep them APART, then I did destruction of their dynamic and their CHARACTERS to keep them TOGETHER, fine with me, cuz if they have to turn them into different people to keep them together, than WTF bother????? Oddly enough, during the TnTripe years they decided that it behooved them to CHANGE Todd's history with Peter Manning to keep Todd a sexless, prurile EUNUCH so y'all could spin for two years about them "giving into their passion". TeUGH went from being a bitch on wheels into a snotting martyr getting the crap beat out of her, who couldn't stop herself from coming back for MORE.

Give it a break Cabbie... I know every poster on this board, Cabbie and I'd bet MONEY that NONE of them have EVER referred to Jack as the Messiah child. I know that I sure as hell, haven't. You wanna throw it in my face? Bring it on.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> LMAO Liz! Well, Cabbie called me a moron because I don't know what's going on on the soap boards, and I guess she's right because I didn't even think that it was possible for the twiters to come up with that title for that gorgeous John Cramer Manning! The Messiah! Too funny! So, if Jack equals the Messiah, what does Tea and Todd's pretend baby equal??? -- Lafaux, 11:18:46 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Oh my.... You know I heard that they actually MORPHED a baby with a photo program, posted it over at ATB, then gushed their fool heads off over it. LMAO... that's kind of sad, oh well... when "almost" is all ya got. -- OTWB, 11:22:37 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> A wet dream gone awry? -- Candy, 11:22:41 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> So were back go gooey sheets and a double bagger? LMAO -- OTWB, 11:24:56 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> If TnT did have a baby it really would be the Messiah, pretty hard to get pregnant with harsh language and dirty looks, I think the Messiah thing is wishful thinking on someone's part, believe it or not there's still a couple that believe Jack is Max's:::::it's mind boggling and why I rarely go to any of those boards -- Candy, 13:13:57 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> MSE, Candy. They like it, we hate it... no surprises there. Never the twain shall meet. -- OTWB, 10:34:07 05/18/02 Sat

>IOW, that he'd have ENOUGH swallowers to make the
>gaggers appear inconsequential.
>
>Disclaimer: I'm not firing any barbs here at any
>fanbase because I've seen enough to know that they all
>act the same way - they love their couple for whatever
>reason and that's the end of it.
>
>GT has figured out that so long as he throws in some
>established "Things the Fanbase Loved About their
>Couple," it doesn't matter how stupid the couple will
>get, the "Fanbase" will take what they can and
>ultimately NOT turn the crap off. When I see people
>writing essays on the beauties of the DBL and all its
>depth ... well, let's just say that posters ought not
>throw stones. GT has those people by their
>short-hairs and he knows how to do it.
>
>SO ... I fully expect GT to do it with TnT this
>go-round, too. TnT will be mocked ... and we'll see
>the 'best of TnT' along with some really stupid, lousy
>crap. If TnTers like it, as you say, Candy, more
>power to them. If B/ters could pull "Ultimate
>Messiah-Like Manning Love" out of the DBL and all its
>fallout, TnTers will manage to do equally as well.

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[> [> [> THE BABY is proof o his love...he only sleeps with Blair. The Baby lie, altho detested was good soap. -- A7, 08:43:35 05/18/02 Sat

There is not proof of anything btw Todd and his five million dollare HO>>>>>

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[> [> [> [> All the baby is proof of is that Todd's sperm is potent. -- Lou, 09:07:40 05/18/02 Sat

Unless you're planning to prove that every child on the planet is conceived in love? Or that every sex act is an act of love?

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[> [> [> [> [> LOL! Lou! You're right! Todd has potent sperm, and he shot those little devils in the right direction, in the right woman, and they've got themselves the cutest little round face baby boy I've ever seen. -- Lafaux, 09:16:08 05/18/02 Sat

Was it based on an act of love, an act of lust, an act of desire? Unlike so many T&Ters who claimed not to be watching,I was watching, and the context of what happened shows that it was most likely all of the above.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> I watched TOO, Lafaux. Boy, do we have different cable boxes ... as they say. -- Cabbie, 09:23:40 05/18/02 Sat

I was grossed out by Peculiar, and NO, it wasn't because of all that "Spermy Love" by the Messiahs. I don't call the B a hideous beast for nothing, you know.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> You know, I'm posting here ... and I really hope that you get my point .... -- Cabbie, 09:31:14 05/18/02 Sat

NOBODY is in a position to claim some kind of superiority thanks to their 'vision' of their 'couple.' EVERY behavior of the TnTers that is derided by the B/ters is a behavior that been done by the themselves.

There isn't ANYTHING that can be said about TnTers that cannot be said about B/ters ... and that's all there is to it.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Cabbie! Of course our cable boxes are different. Yours is connected to the Twilight Zone. -- Lafaux, 09:53:51 05/18/02 Sat

You think that Todd's professions of "I DON'T LOVE YOU'S", and pupil penetration are normal expressions of love. A man and a woman having sexual intercourse is to you, "peculiar".

I get that! You don't have to beat me over the head with it.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> No ... I believe a man who did what he did to B doesn't love her. I believe the Peculiar wasn't out of love but out of rapture from blackmail and power. -- Cabbie, 10:03:36 05/18/02 Sat

And note that if my cable box is connected to TZ, YOURS is connected to Outer Limits ... as is your internet service provider.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Ah! So it was the blackmail and power that got Todd's juices flowing! LOL! Okay! Somebody had better tell Tea because that bitch froze him up. It's obvious that he doesn't respond to begging and pleading. -- Lafaux, 10:51:34 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> We agree on one thing. That baby is adorable isn't he? -- Lou, 09:45:24 05/18/02 Sat

Who cares what the act was about? The point was the fact that T&B have a baby does NOT necessarily mean that T loves B. You can make a strong argument that is the case but the act of sex itself doesn't prove it...which was the only the point I was making.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Well, Lou! Agreement is not high on my priority list, but damn it! Yes! That is one adorable baby! -- Lafaux, 09:59:46 05/18/02 Sat

Who cares what the act was? A whole lot of people care what the act was, most of them being T&Ters.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I think he has his daddy's ears. What a sweetie!!! -- OTWB, 12:19:19 05/18/02 Sat

>Who cares what the act was? A whole lot of people
>care what the act was, most of them being T&Ters.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> The baby is truly, truly cute!! -- Cabbie, 11:52:58 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> Although I almost regret saying this, I'd be careful of touting the sex thing. Who knows--GT may twist the old knife on us with this one!!! -- Philosopher, 09:34:58 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> If marrying a man for his money makes one a HO what does that make Blair? DId she or did she not fool Todd into marrying her the first time by claiming to be pregnant, all because she knew he was coming into the Lord millions? What exactly did Tea do that Blair didn't do? You are so obsessed with hating Tea that I think you're more obsessed with her than even the TnTers are. -- Allie, 22:52:52 05/18/02 Sat

>There is not proof of anything btw Todd and his five
>million dollare HO>>>>>

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[> [> [> [> [> Oooo! A psychologist is on the premises. Thanks for you analysis Doc.! (Click) -- Lafaux, 01:38:48 05/19/02 Sun

"If marrying a man makes one a HO, what does that make Blair?"

It makes Blair the woman that Todd fell in love with despite her frailties. It makes her the woman that he professed his love to, the woman that he wanted to have a family with, and the woman he said he knew he could be with from the moment he first saw her.

BTW - Doc, If we are obsessed with the troll because we love to bash her, what is your diagnosis of someone who visits a soap board solely for the purpose of admonishing the posters?

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[> [> [> [> [> [> A real doc? If this keeps up, I'm going to have to bring some words of wisdom from Dr. Fraud, friend to the Knoll and counselor to the delusional. -- OTWB, 05:05:08 05/19/02 Sun

>"If marrying a man makes one a HO, what does that make
>Blair?"
>
>It makes Blair the woman that Todd fell in love with
>despite her frailties. It makes her the woman that he
>professed his love to, the woman that he wanted to
>have a family with, and the woman he said he knew he
>could be with from the moment he first saw her.
>
>BTW - Doc, If we are obsessed with the troll because
>we love to bash her, what is your diagnosis of someone
>who visits a soap board solely for the purpose of
>admonishing the posters?

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[> [> [> [> [> You might have a point there Allie -I could see where one might not consider Tea a ho in regard to Todd since to be a successful ho you gotta have sex -I don't think relentless begging counts......... -- Llanviewer, 04:44:47 05/19/02 Sun

Thank goodness she slept with a good portion of Llanview and a family member too -therefore she is able to retain the ho moniker with pride!

>>There is not proof of anything btw Todd and his five
>>million dollare HO>>>>>

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[> [> [> [> [> [> That part always struck me as the funniest damn thing: Todd paid her (and handsomely) to NOT have sex......Too funny! Course she stunk at being a well behaved Ho, she WASN'T discrete when she carried on with other men as she had been asked, and she kept trying to renegotiate the "no sex" clause, LOL! -- ladyday, 12:41:26 05/19/02 Sun

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[> [> [> I guess I have to get out more! Are people actually calling T&Ters delusional for not seeing the DBL as a sign of Todd's love for Blair? See, I think it goes beyond that. Everyone agrees what Todd did was heinous. Many T&Bers have decried it, some have wanted Blair to rip Todd a new *sshole, OTOH, many T&Ters even after seeing Todd kick Tea to the curb yesterday are dying for Todd to be with Tea. What do you call that? -- Lafaux, 08:49:02 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> My reply was to Cabbie. It kinda got misplaced. -- Lafaux, 08:54:52 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> You do need to get out more!! -- Cabbie, 09:13:43 05/18/02 Sat

Are you SERIOUS??????? You're surprised that TnTers want TnT together in spite of his 'throwing her out'? AND that somehow all those thousands and gazillions of B/ters are above that kind of delusional thinking because they want B to rip Todd a new asshole .... before she forgives him and the MessiahMannings can THEN take on the world.

Oyyyy .... I know we love our couples ... but come on, Lafaux ... please don't be a moron :) Go read the boards!! Read THIS board about all that great T&B love that's flying all up my ass ... and Tea's too!

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[> [> [> [> [> Er.... Nope! I didn't say that I was surprised that T&Ters want Tea with Todd. Hell! They have been panting and wetting their panties for that to happen forever. What I said was I was not aware that people were calling T&Ters delusional for not seeing the DBL as a sign of Todd's love for Blair. (Click) -- Lafaux, 09:33:38 05/18/02 Sat

What keeps me sane, and non-moronic is that I read only a select few of the other boards. I can't stomach MD, and I tried ATB, but I got nauseous.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Well ... look around - many people don't buy into the Great Love of B/t ... but ...they are told to be "spinning" and are currently being called delusional. Because of course ... the love is so OBVIOUS and SO HUGE - I mean ... look at Todd's face!! -- Cabbie, 09:43:34 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Well, maybe the T&Bers have borrowed one from the T&Twist Book of Tricks. LOL! -- Lafaux, 10:04:07 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Some people have the guts to look at two children and say no love...some have the eyes that see, a man has children with a woman it MEANS something and when he will not touch her, sleep with her, drugs punches and wonders if she ever shuts up, that does not, in FACT, does not equal love. Sorry for you. -- A7, 10:18:15 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Excuse me? You're sorry for ME? I don't know you ... and you don't know me ... so PLEASE remember that this is a soap opera and is not warranting of YOUR comments on MY personal well-being. -- Cabbie, 11:50:12 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Sorry for YOU plural,,,do you speak any other languages? English maybe? But if the crab fits wear it. I haven;t even the slightest interest in you or your well being. I could not believe any of your well being is affected by the fictional world of soaps as you drone on and on to remind us. Kindly remember not EVERYTHING is about you, dear...Yawn. -- A7, 19:55:44 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Do me a favor and ignore all my posts. Pretend I don't exist. I'm sure that's easy to do. -- Cabbie, 15:44:44 05/19/02 Sun

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Typical cop out...cry, whine and then when you get the response you are looking, no, begging for, you say,"sniff sniff:indignant,IGNORE me please" You IGNORE me, fantasy like yours cannot stand up to the harsh light of reality; I will keep hacking to bits, er, continue to oppose vehemently any degradation to Todd like was perpetuated by that thing Tehag years ago. With eyes wide open....nnaa nnna nnnaa na na -- A7, 16:50:34 05/19/02 Sun

childish refrain you resemble.

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[> [> [> [> [> So, Cabbie, putting a smiley emoticon next to a sentence calling someone a moron is somehow BETTER than my telling you that you couldn't speak intelligently on the actor bashing thing??? Talk about a double standard. And, in reply to your question about WHY TnTers would want them together, why does TnT want to get together after the Knuckle Kiss when they've been saying for MONTHS that Blair should kick Todd out on his @ss for the DBL. Certainly, the motivations for the two were COMPLETELY different--one represented pure hatred...which one? -- Philosopher, 09:39:12 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> And if you say the DBL somehow represented MORE hatred than the Knuckle Kiss, well, I'd have to disagree. Todd put forth the DBL because he is STOOPID--he wanted Blair & family so bad & yet hated Max's spawn so much that this was the only way out for him (for HIM--STOOPID Todd--i.e., we're not talking rationality here). The Knuckle Kiss, OTOH, well, it was violence for the sake of violence, pure hatred condensed into a single punch. How can it be any other way? And TnTers still want Todd back with Tea??? Absurd. You know, abusers are NEVER cured. You want THAT for your Tea??? Absurd. -- Philosopher, 09:48:42 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> And you want it for YOUR Blair? -- Cabbie, 09:59:20 05/18/02 Sat

Todd did not do the DBL because he loved Blair so much. My GOSH, that's what I'm talking about - people tout it as proof of love.

It was hateful ... he did it to get back at Blair because she twisted the knife in his gut for months on end for no damn good reason other than as a love test (that WAS the peak of the lie - NOT because Todd would steal her baby). She rubbed it in his face for months, every chance she got ... the man told that woman to her face, "I wish it was mine." He wanted the "package" ... and STILL she kept the truth from him.

Only when the baby was dead did she decide to tell him the truth - and WOW ... lo and behold ... does he come running with the baby to save the day? Nope ... he comes running and lies to her to keep her in mourning.

Whatever Phil - NO, I'm not saying the punch was worse or better ... I'm saying that despite the hate, B/ters still cry on those Manning Church Steps - waiting with bated breath for the next Mass, "The Forgiveness".

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I seriously doubt that anybody that I run with will be bitching when Blair kicks his ass. There will be bitching, but I don't see it from those "Blairian" T&B'ers, as you like to refer to US. WTF ever.... be happy. I heard that TnT III was gonna be! You won't see me whining about it. -- OTWB, 11:28:16 05/18/02 Sat

>Todd did not do the DBL because he loved Blair so
>much. My GOSH, that's what I'm talking about - people
>tout it as proof of love.
>
>It was hateful ... he did it to get back at Blair
>because she twisted the knife in his gut for months on
>end for no damn good reason other than as a love test
>(that WAS the peak of the lie - NOT because Todd would
>steal her baby). She rubbed it in his face for
>months, every chance she got ... the man told that
>woman to her face, "I wish it was mine." He wanted
>the "package" ... and STILL she kept the truth from
>him.
>
>Only when the baby was dead did she decide to tell him
>the truth - and WOW ... lo and behold ... does he come
>running with the baby to save the day? Nope ... he
>comes running and lies to her to keep her in mourning.
>
>Whatever Phil - NO, I'm not saying the punch was worse
>or better ... I'm saying that despite the hate, B/ters
>still cry on those Manning Church Steps - waiting with
>bated breath for the next Mass, "The Forgiveness".

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> How can TnT3 "be" when Todd will be too busy sacrificing himself on the B/t Altar? You know, in preparation for B/t # following the Mass of Forgiveness? -- Cabbie, 11:45:00 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> You know, Cabbie when people are discussing two different opinions on one subject you're supposed to at least allow the opposing team the respect to write their own spins on things as opposed to turning it into something absurd and stupid enough for you to handle debating. Even I couldn't go that low, but hey, I didn't go to law school so WTF do I know? -- OTWB, 12:17:57 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> SIGH ... that was a JOKE. You made a jokie comment and just turned the joke around. -- Cabbie, 13:08:15 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Darn, I'm a little slow on the uptake Cabbie. You know you have to dumb it down a bit, I'm just one of the ever so shallow fans who don't get the more subtle repart�. Apologies... I'm rolling now, you are such a wit!!! WTF was I thinking? -- OTWB, 14:13:49 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I try SOOOOO hard to dumb it down ... but I always fail ... so sorry!! -- Cabbie, 15:54:36 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Well, I'll try if you try, Cabbie. -- OTWB, 16:30:42 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Deal ;) Can we sing Kumbayah now? I honestly am SO much happier when we all just get along ... damn it! -- Cabbie, 16:41:16 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Sure, take my hand.... -- OTWB (giggling while she hides that little palm shocker thingie she got at the magic store.), 18:02:55 05/18/02 Sat

Hell no, I ain't classy but I do know how to have a good time.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Phil ... the DBL was full of hatred. The punch was hateful, too. Certainly you're not trying to distinguish the cruelty, are you? -- Cabbie, 09:51:30 05/18/02 Sat

No double standard - moron was meant tongue in cheek. If someone wants to throw that word around, I'll throw it around, too.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Oh yes I am. I think the KK (AND the NUMEROUS other physically abuses Todd did to Tea) are FAR worse than the DBL. Physical abuse is far more dangerous (and representative of much more hatred) than pure psychological abuse. And I don't even think that the DBL was intended as abuse per se. Like I said, DBL was STOOPID Todd looking for a way to keep his family intact without having to parent the spawn of Max. He was NOT intent on abusing Blair in giving that baby away. He was STOOPID and needy, but in his odd way he did it because he LOVED & WANTED Blair. Same can't be said about the KK. -- Philosopher, 09:58:38 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> If you believe in your heart that the DBL was 'better' than what Todd did to Tea ... there is NO point in any further discussion. -- Cabbie, 10:01:00 05/18/02 Sat

We'll only end up calling each other names :)

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> HOLY SH*T!!!!! You're kidding, right??? And some people said you didn't have a sense of HUMOR. -- Cabbie, 10:05:43 05/18/02 Sat

GOOF!!!!!! That's all I got to say on the matter.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> No, I'm dead serious. Many may not agree with me, but I have SCIENCE behind what I say. -- Philosopher, 10:08:05 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Oh this one I have to hear .... please, oh PLEASE tell me how B/t has science backing it ... LOL!! -- Cabbie Impressed with Phil the Comic, 10:09:57 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Honestly I would (and will later on...), but I have to take kiddies to soccer. So bye for now (not a copout, really...I'll be back, you know I will....) -- Philosopher, 10:13:00 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Phil has a wonderful sense of humor, it's best proven by this conversation that she's having with you. Sorry you had to leave, I'm bummed! MORE, Cabbie, MORE! -- OTWB, 14:09:43 05/18/02 Sat

>GOOF!!!!!! That's all I got to say on the matter.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> You're absolutely right!! I knew you were a smart cookie ;) P.S. I'm never leaving .... yippee!! -- Cabbie, 15:50:40 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> There goes that old TnT *High Horse* kicking in. Well, if DBL is JUST AS BAD as KK, etc., then WHY OH WHY is the TnT fanbase so ardently awaiting TnT3????? They should be praying for Todd to die with a stake through his evil evil heart. -- Philosopher, 10:06:01 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> For the same (@*#&*($& reason the B/ters are dying for the Messiah Manning Mass of Forgiveness!! Jeez, Phil!!! -- Cabbie, 10:08:36 05/18/02 Sat

There is NO difference here between the fanbases!! Get off YOUR high horse!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Oh Cabbie, Please! You all yelled and screeched with disgust about Todd ever since he came back and sloughed off the existence of the troll. How many times have I seen, "I WOULDN'T HAVE THIS TODD FOR OUR GIRL"! Well, you're dying to get Todd for your girl anyway you can. Problem is, he doesn't want your girl! -- Lafaux, 11:08:26 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Lafaux ... -- Cabbie, 11:32:43 05/18/02 Sat

I don't think you're a moron. So I apologize if you're offended by what I wrote (I told you NOT to be one ... not that you WERE one). I was speaking tongue in cheek and was still under the influence of Candy's post where she was referring to some group of people looking like morons.

Anyways ... I'm sort of done here ... I see all the same arguments going back and forth and my opinion is as firmly in place as when I started. NOBODY is in a position to claim some kind of superiority based on the stupid-ass storyline they've been given and based on THEIR interpretation of it. And they definitely cannot claim superiority because "we didn't act like THEY did."

All's well ... carry on :)

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I don't give a damn who's "morally superior" If I wanted to be "morally superior", then I'd probably find something more worthy to do with my time then yammer about some damn soap opera! Different strokes for different folks, I guess. -- OTWB, 12:29:15 05/18/02 Sat

>I don't think you're a moron. So I apologize if
>you're offended by what I wrote (I told you NOT to be
>one ... not that you WERE one). I was speaking tongue
>in cheek and was still under the influence of Candy's
>post where she was referring to some group of people
>looking like morons.
>
>Anyways ... I'm sort of done here ... I see all the
>same arguments going back and forth and my opinion is
>as firmly in place as when I started. NOBODY is in a
>position to claim some kind of superiority based on
>the stupid-ass storyline they've been given and based
>on THEIR interpretation of it. And they definitely
>cannot claim superiority because "we didn't act like
>THEY did."
>
>All's well ... carry on :)

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> IA Cabbie... -- Lou, 10:07:02 05/18/02 Sat

It is pointless. When you cut through the bull all Phil just said is that Todd gave the kid away because he LOVED Blair.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Exactly, Lou. -- Cabbie, 10:12:12 05/18/02 Sat

And we're all only going to end up calling each other names.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Borsht circuit routine...Cabbie crys and Lou blows...No need for names, you all know your names too well,Phil wasn't mired in BULL. Todd gave the baby away because it wasn't his. He is a conceited sociopath that we find at all palatable because of the attractive face and unbelievable talent of RH. -- A7, 21:47:41 05/19/02 Sun

Todd regressed with Tehag.....they did not communicate on any level....He tried to find ways to manipulate her, to keep her quiet, keep her IN on the fraud.....did not want to open to her as a partner,,,,,,she flitted from person to person. He found it difficult at all.....Early Todd did and said all the "right" things to GET the girl.... A jock mentality married to repressed anger eventually blew. His early convo with Zach in the cafeteria showed that. With Blair it was the first time he actually LIKED, then LOVED someone who he slept with. With hag, he wnet back to this neanderthal man behaviour....He actually smacked and punched and abused her.
This was very bad.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Matter of fact, when one takes the entire TnT relationship, it is essentially one physical/psychological abuse piled onto the other. Remember the coffin wedding? Remember Rrrrrraaawwwdd? Remember Tommy??? Have you seen any of those bizarre behaviors with T&B???? Nooooooo, because Todd isn't ABUSING Blair. BTW, I'm NOT exculpating Todd for DBL--I'm just saying the MOTIVATIONS were far different. -- Philosopher, 10:03:59 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Yeah, they were very different, but well... that doesn't quite work for this argument, so they choose to ignore it. WTF ever.... he punched her out, cuz she screeched that he'd raped her. I guess she meant it in "metaphorical" terms... unfortunately, Todd didn't speak "metaphorical" and punched her out to shut her up. Who could blame him? I 'd been wanting to punch her out for months, anything for a little peace and quiet!!! He felt bad afterwards though and once TeUGH decided it was "Pete" that did it, then it was all okay. WTF ever... -- OTWB, 11:17:49 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> I'm really glad Eve's dead. There're a lot more deaths I'd love to see. Maybe I'll start a dead pool over at NSC.... I'm with you - I hope all of the mighty trio gets to stay in character. Especially Blair. I'm not as invested in the other two, but one thing I really liked... -- Holly, 13:51:57 05/19/02 Sun

Was that Tea is exactly as she always was. She's lying about doing charity work for GAWD's sake. Another thing I really enjoyed was how the people who prefer each couple are getting the stuff they like AND the story's not suffering. I can't remember a day like Friday with this triangle. Why couldn't it have been like this years ago? When everyone was on contract for awhile?

What I hope does not happen:

"Chiquita."

Actual green snot wrangling.

"I have NEEDS TAWD."

DID-II

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[> [> [> [> Oh hell, Holly I want it ALL!!!! Aren't I bad? I also want REAL Blair too. Friday was cool, everybody was happy and wasn't that an interesting feeling? I have a love/hate thing for Tomlin, but he has had a pretty good effect on most of Llanview. Still pissed about Todd and Blair, but maybe I'll learn to see them from a new point of view, and it won't feel like such a stake to my dark heart? Here's to hoping. -- OTWB, 15:36:36 05/19/02 Sun

>Was that Tea is exactly as she always was. She's
>lying about doing charity work for GAWD's sake.
>Another thing I really enjoyed was how the people who
>prefer each couple are getting the stuff they like AND
>the story's not suffering. I can't remember a day
>like Friday with this triangle. Why couldn't it have
>been like this years ago? When everyone was on
>contract for awhile?
>
>What I hope does not happen:
>
>"Chiquita."
>
>Actual green snot wrangling.
>
>"I have NEEDS TAWD."
>
>DID-II