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Date Posted: 20:55:06 03/04/05 Fri
In reply to:
Bebe
's message, "Re: Further analysis" on 10:26:21 03/04/05 Fri
I didn't realize there was any bitterness between you and Pam. You encouraged her to post here quite a while ago. I think comments made in books reflects the competition that was ONCE felt by the girls in the scene. As far as Mick Jaggar's comments, I think it's pretty understandable that men would want to keep their women "separated" don't you think? Once girls become friends all sorts of problems arise. It's the guy's way of keeping everything under control so they can have their cake and eat it too. I don't believe the comments Page and Jagger made about Pamela. I believe they SAID them to you, but I think they were feeding you stuff. Obviously Page and Jagger were both pretty involved with Pamela. I think they did like her, but they weren't going to tell you at the time. All I'm saying is anything these guys said needs to be questioned. I made a comment in another thread that rock stars aren't worth dealing with until they turn 50. They don't learn how to treat a woman before then. I would just let anything between you and Pamela go. It's not worth getting into a Page-said-this and Jagger-said-that. These guys were young and cocky. It's pointless to talk about what category which groupies were in and who is higher on the totem pole. We've all believed bullshit that rockers have handed us. We've all been foolish at one time or another. There are different ways of defining groupie. When the majority of the people a person has dated are famous rock musicians this shows a fairly obvious pattern. A normal girl doesn't date Todd Rundgren AND Jimmy Page AND Mick Jagger AND Rod Stewart AND Elvis Costello AND Ron Wood AND Stiv Bators AND Steven Tyler. There HAS to be some pursuit on your part - they're not just going to drop into a girl's lap. This is why people associate you with being a groupie. I personally don't think there is anything wrong with that. Does it really matter? It's just a small part of who a person is. I would have LOVED to have experienced what you've experienced. If somebody wants to call me a groupie, fine with me. I know who I am so it simply doesn't bother me.
>The thing that is so interesting about the whole Miss
>Pamela saga and me is that she wrote something VERY
>nasty about me in her first book- she told a story
>about some Alice Cooper show that NEVER happened. I
>have since gotten over it and forgiven her but it was
>still really confusing to me why she would do that.
>She also said I was older in the telling of her story
>than I was. Her exact words were "she was 23 and I was
>26." NO, she was 26 and I was 20 going on 21 when I
>first met her. I sent her a copy of my passport,
>etc... and she fixed it in the paperback but it was
>yet another dig at me for NO REASON! In her second
>book she once again sort of dissed me and neglected to
>say anything about my friendship with her son when he
>was having some problems, my visits to him in the
>hospital, my support towards her in difficult times-
>she just said that we were "friends now." I NEVER
>looked at any of this as a competition of any sort. I
>also NEVER understood what I did to deserve her venom.
>I put all of this behind me now but I barely knew
>those West Coast girls. ESPECIALLY barely knew Miss
>P.. The second or third time I met her in 1974 was in
>NYC and I was with Jagger. He absolutely did NOT want
>her to come in the car with us when I asked if she
>could. His exact words to me were "stay away from
>girls like her." When I wrote Rebel Heart I never
>meant to sound catty towards Pamela, Sable or Lori. I
>was just telling the truth about my dealings with
>them. I had zero against them. Pamela, like myself,
>does not like to be put into the same catagory as
>Sable or Lori. When she read my book she got upset
>that I mentioned them all in the same breath. I know
>too that in the groupie hall of fame Pamela is beloved
>by the new groupies and I am not so loved. Thats fine
>with me because I have never wanted the brass ring in
>that department. NEVER! I have tried very hard to be
>nice to Pamela over the years and only want her to be
>happy and healthy. I get a lot of heat for not seeing
>myself as one of them- one of that breed of groupie.
>Different strokes for different folks I guess. In my
>recent brushes with Page or Jagger, I feel like they
>treat me as part of their extended families. Always
>greeted warmly and with respect. The last time I saw
>Page he asked me if I kept a "painting in my closet."
>Cute- the Dorian Gray reference. BTW, he looks much
>better in person than he does in the photos of late.
>Much better!
>
>>One thing that struck me from hearing Lori M.
>>interviewed was how she was 'afraid' of Pamela. Jim
>>Morrison's girlfriend was intimidated by Pam, too. I
>>can't help but think the guys liked this dichotomy &
>>some may have even promoted it to not only keep the
>>girls in line, but so they could feel the rush & power
>>of being the sought after object. It gave their egos &
>>self-esteem a constant boost, while keeping all the
>>girls close.
>>
>>It's so interesting that you would bring up the
>>impulsivity of musicians. Despite being 'randy' or
>>'polygamists', esp. the British ones, seem to like
>>having a main girlfriend. I bring this up, also, b/c
>>of what was said in the two previous posts about ardor
>>& pursuit. This isn't something that's addressed much,
>>rather 'rock star' antics or incidents are.
>>
>>This is the same situation experienced w/my past love.
>>Calls every night, exchanges of love, reassurance &
>>tears - flying, traveling & meeting all over along
>>w/plans to move in. Then it just stops. Maybe the
>>woman won't phone b/c she feels she should be the one
>>pursued. Then, the next thing you hear is that he's
>>marrying the baby-sitter.
>>
>>The contrast b/w that & the prior vital furvor of the
>>loving relationship doesn't add up & is hard, if not
>>impossible to reconcile.
>>
>>
>>
>>>So, when I read your book, things seemed to go from
>>one >quick meeting to a second meeting at a hotel then
>>to a one- >nighter then an invite to England and so
>>forth.
>>
>>>He apparently started asking Pam DesBarres to marry
>>him back >in the day. From what I've read he strikes
>>me as sort of an >impulsive guy - like a guy who meets
>>a girl and quickly >jumps into "commitment talk" only
>>to back out later. When >reading Pam's book and your
>>book, I got the impression he >was just a guy that
>>liked handing the girls a bunch of lines >to get what
>>he wanted. Nothing struck me as sincere in what
>>>he was sayi
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