| Subject: Jimmy's 'Reality' (?) |
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Starla
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Date Posted: 21:35:58 02/22/05 Tue
In reply to:
RockGroupieCom
's message, "Re: Photos of Jimmy and Jimena" on 19:20:07 02/22/05 Tue
It seems that info about JP's situation is being let out slowly - like they're trying to inure the public to it. It may not go down as easy if there isn't a charitable aspect affixed to it. And he really only spends time in controlled settings, whether it's his private home in the UK or a country where actions like this aren't condemned if not accepted. People like this rationalize these situations by remaining in environments that condone it.
Other than the one link where he's refered to as a husband, no one else has been forthcoming with any facts. It's happened before where after many years (& usually after a breakup), it comes out that a couple were never legally married (M. Jagger pulled this, saying the Bali wedding wasn't valid & there are other examples). One would think this could seriously influence what a relationship or union turns out to be.
The point is, some people - usually those with fabulous wealth - won't adhere to social or moral rules because they don't have to. They aren't guided by any ethical values due, in part, because any feelings they have are superficial. JM, esp. seems to have lived in this protected dream world of his own making & no one is going to burst his balloon.
This wouldn't be openly tolerated state-side (look at Mary Kay LeTourneau). It's not like it doesn't happen, but it's considered abnormal & for good reason. Again, some people go to great lengths to justify their actions - a young person is supposedly 'more mature' for their age, or it's 'customary' in some countries. But one has to take into account the economic status or sub-culture that makes people vulnerable & open to those who have more.
>Starla:
>
>Bless your heart. You know I love having you on here
>but I have to ask one question: What are you trying
>to say??? As for whether or not they are actually
>married, yes they are. There was another charitable
>organization where Jimena was speaking. She referred
>to Jimmy as her "ever patient husband." She went on
>to discuss how she got involved in the charitable
>organization. She explained that she and Jimmy met in
>1998 (I think) while she was working and living on a
>project in Brazil. So, it is stated by her own
>account that she is married to Jimmy. As for where
>one event took place in 2001, it was in London.
>
>I guess I'm trying to understand where you are coming
>from. My question to you is: Do you think this
>behavior is wrong or are you trying to condone it
>somehow? I personally don't care whether he has an
>organic psychological problem or not. Nor, do I care
>if it was adverse learned behavior. To me, either
>something is right or it's wrong. And it does appear
>that it IS a lifelong pattern for Jimmy. And it's
>wrong in my opinion. So, Starla, what is your opinion
>about the morality/legality of this issue? Side note:
>I made a mistake on Jimmy's age. He's not 60, he's
>61.
>
>
>
>>It should be highlighted exactly where JP met this
>>young lady & under what conditions, as well as where
>>any information can be found. He has seemed even more
>>guarded than usual & the only record of the pairing is
>>attached to a charitable campaign. As noted before,
>>she is said to wear a ring, but no one has come up
>>w/any information as to if & when they ever got
>>married. This may be part of a strategy or overall
>>plan, as much as the charitable organization.
>>
>>And one can also look at where the event was held &
>>who was present. Although some notables were there
>>(mostly guitar merchants & studio engineers) & others
>>who weren't donated items, even more were not present,
>>nor associated in any way. Those who weren't seem to
>>speak volumes.
>>
>>The point being; despite the general amount of
>>privacy, no one is being very open about this. And
>>those who seem to be complicit are either citizens of
>>S. America in need of help or JP's guitar associates
>>who either 'yes' him or need him for their business.
>>
>>Again, one has to ask themselves what has been this
>>man's pattern & does it stem from something
>>organically psychological or just adverse learned
>>behavior? And if he has grown a benevolent heart
>>(which, quite frankly, given his gratuitous past seems
>>highly unlikely), why couldn't he have found someone
>>older - at least well into their 20s already - & then
>>set up an organization?
>>
>>http://www.frankmelfi.com/NycHtml/NYimage15.html
>>
>>
>>
>>>Thanks for your input and I agree with you. The need
>>for >finding the: "youngest, most impressionable or
>>vulnerable & >>groom them for a future 'relationship'.
>>More often these >>unions are based on a prefered role
>>imbalance so the >>younger is dependent, subjugated or
>>a subordinate in the >>elder's life."
>>>is, I'm sure very obvious to everyone. He is looking
>>>for someone he can control, someone who is naive
>>>enough to put up with whatever he wants her to put up
>>>with. I have a feeling as these young girls get older
>>>and develop a mind of their own, he trades them in
>and
>>>rationalizes that they have become too difficult to
>>>deal with. It's sad that he can't seem to handle a
>>>real woman. When I said his relationship with what is
>>>essentially a "little girl" is putting him in a bad
>>>light, I was not only referring to the pedophile
>>>nature of the situation, but also to the fact that
>his
>>>little girl fetish actually makes him look like a
>weak
>>>man. Primarily because it IS so obvious why a man
>>>would choose a girl so young. He's absolutely
>>>terrified of dealing with a woman his equal. Taking
>>>someone this young is no longer about finding someone
>>>for their looks and sex appeal. More psychological
>>>issues are at hand here. I want to say, I hear what
>>>you are saying and though your reasoning is correct,
>>>it is still not an excuse for being a pedophile.
>>>Unfortunately when a 55-60 year old man marries a
>>young >woman who was obviously WELL underage at the
>>time the >relationship was consummated, that is
>>pedophilia.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>As far as resemblence, @ least in one of the photos,
>>>>she looks like she could be related to his first
>>>>long-time early teen love; one he seemed to lose
>>>>interest in & unceremoniously ditch when she
>>>>approached the age of twenty.
>>>>
>>>>As stated before (& I've even known a few), many
>>times
>>>>people will look for the youngest, most
>>impressionable
>>>>or vulnerable & groom them for a future
>>>>'relationship'. More often these unions are based on
>>a
>>>>prefered role imbalance so the younger is dependent,
>>>>subjugated or a subordinate in the elder's life.
>>>>
>>>>More than likely, in exchange for this, he agreed to
>>>>help w/setting up a charitable organization. But
>this
>>>>could have been done as a pre-emptive strike before
>>>>more people found out about the relationship. He
>>>>hasn't exactly had a reputation for being
>magnanimous
>>>>before this point.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Yes, he seems to like dark hair and eyes. Yes she
>>>>>looks sweet....because she's so young. However,
>>>>>charitable or no charitable givings, it is a
>>slippery
>>>>>and dangerous slope to condone a man his age
>getting
>>>>>involved with someone THAT young. It simply isn't
>>>>>right. This doesn't put him in a good light at
>>all.
>>>>>Who will be the naysayer to him? I will. It's
>>>wrong,
>>>>>plain and simple. He's a pedophile. Simple as
>>>>>that....and it's creepy. But more than that, it's
>>>>>disappointing. Just like with Michael Jackson, it's
>>>>>disappointing that so much twisted behavior can
>come
>>>>>from such a talented individual. I want to believe
>>>MJ
>>>>>is innocent, but the things that are coming out are
>>>>>not good at all. It really sounds like he's going
>>to
>>>>>prison. Detailed testimony is coming from the
>young
>>>>>boy. There are also reports of MJ sending young
>>boys
>>>>>"love letters" of sorts. I'll hold off making any
>>>>>firm opinion either way but it just doesn't sound
>>>like
>>>>>things will go MJ's way.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>See any resemblence to any past girlfriends?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>She's so lovely & looks so sweet. I'm sure he's
>>>>taking
>>>>>>care of her & helping out her family - who knows,
>>>>>>maybe they're thrilled. There hasn't been any
>>>>>>confirmation that they're actually married,
>though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Maybe JP views this as a small price to pay for
>>>>making
>>>>>>someone this young his own & that something this
>>>>>>extreme will go down better if a charitable
>>>>>>organization is set up before-hand.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And who's going to be a naysayer to him? He's
>>>>probably
>>>>>>not used to not getting his way. Something about
>it
>>>>>>seems forced & creepy, though, way moreso than
>>>>>>w/Nicholson, Jagger, Wyman, Stewart or any others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>To see photos of the two together go to link:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://www.gibson.com/whatsnew/pressrelease/2002
>/
>>d
>>>e
>>>>c
>>>>>1
>>>>>>1b.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Another one of Jimena
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.ledzeppelin.ru/pa/pg/jp_aft1.htm
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