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Date Posted: 17:06:29 06/21/05 Tue
Author: SM77
Subject: Atheism?
In reply to: J. Croft 's message, "Conscience, then?" on 11:29:59 06/21/05 Tue

With all due respect, I think atheism is intellectually invalid. To make the statement there is no God means that one would have to satisfy many impossible conditions:

1) One would have had to make a comprehensive survey of the universe to the extent that one could prove there was no God. How would this be possible? To say there is no God makes the human mind the measure of the universe and we have no basis to validate the human mind as the ultimate mechanism whereby the non-existence of God can be objectively verified.

2) One would have to somehow exceed the finite limits of the human mind and its perceptual and intellectual limits in order to make the comprehensive, pan-universal statement that there is no God. The human brain has finite processing and perceptual powers; how could a finite element make a statement of ultimacy?

3) One would need to describe the basis upon which they conclusively proved that there is no God. This basis would have to be verifiable to be true.

I say there is a God. I base my assertions on many elements that can be examined and challenged. Having said this, I must make the same leap of faith as atheists, for atheism is a belief just as is my Theism.

The agnostic has perhaps the most reasonable position because to say "I don't know" is to say that one does not or cannot know if God exists.

So our first DB project in years: Debate Atheism vs. Theism.
All opinions are to be respected. No slurs unless a rabid fundie weighs in, in which case we may need to attack. I say this because religious fundamentalism is a violent ideology that has nothing to do with God and everything to do with reactive ignorance, intolerance, and hatred.

BTW: I have my boook finished. If anyone wants a free PDF please e-mail me by clicking on my highlighted name. Please identify your DB name with your request.

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  • I can't say I agree, J. -- Kathy, 17:10:08 06/21/05 Tue
  • Insane People Do Not Disprove God -- SM77, 07:34:44 06/22/05 Wed

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