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Subject: NEW ENGA BSP BUILDING DETERORIATING Author: richard [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: Sat, Jan 12 2008, 12:50:14pm hi forumers and fellow country men, I heard on the radio FM (ABC)news (6:00pm, 12-01-2008) that the new BSP building in wabag is deteriorating and is condemned. Roofs are leaking and paints are peeling off. It further reported that the contractor was "PANDA"? which is a family business arm of the governor. I was sitting back in my chair taking a long deep breath pondering, what a disgrace and unprofessional work. Where is the so called building boards? How do builders prospect about the perspective of standard, quality and durability? It should have been better to do a public tender and contract it to a reputable company. Kanage knows, its a disgrace and most embarassing situation in the building aniversary!!! can't say anymore, !!! Whats your word on the ground???? disgraced and unsatisfied richard [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: NEW ENGA BSP BUILDING DETERORIATING Author: Miok Rutz [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Mon, Jan 14 2008, 09:17:56am If this is true, what a waste of public funds!! I'm tired of the same old story (nepotism)! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: NEW ENGA BSP BUILDING DETERORIATING Author: richard [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Mon, Jan 14 2008, 03:24:23pm bro, this is for real. BSP top managment will be or must have met with the EPG and the stalkholders to discuss further avenues as per reported. unfortunately, it was not reported on the media regards richard [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: NEW ENGA BSP BUILDING DETERORIATING Author: Ulutainge [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Mon, Jan 14 2008, 04:47:58pm Keeyaldipaka!!!!!!!!!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: NEW ENGA BSP BUILDING DETERORIATING Author: Enga Ombudsman [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tue, Jan 15 2008, 12:10:45pm The 300,000 plus population in Enga are happy about the new building. Hundreds have been killed in Hagen when people go down there just because the cue in Wabag is long. Sop compalining at an early stage. You are trying the kill the moral of Enga. Panda builders is not new to such scene. Infact, Ipatas is a "BINGO MASTER". All the projects in Enga are taken care of by his family busines. All lost cost and low class buildings but for now pls do not talk just because ABC, or BBC has reported. ITs our pride whether its sustainable or not Enga has opened new bank its home soil and Engans all over the province and the country are singing to the top of their voice. Pls larim wanpela yia igo pass pastaim. Enga Ombudsman [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: NEW ENGA BSP BUILDING DETERORIATING Author: richard [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tue, Jan 15 2008, 05:01:57pm hey EO, stop being shallow. I wonder how people claim to be ombudsman when its saying the opposite. Of course, its obvious but in a modern Architectural and Building perspective in accordance with International Standards, such a building of this nature is demolished and the contractor meets the costs of a new building. But in PNG, we can let the culprits escape without facing any penalties. This maybe because of a totally non-workable Building Board. The province have invested so much on this pride but its gone because of cheap boomerang games, though. The outlook seems fancy with modern dimensions, but now its questions why it is deteriorating after less then 2 months? Did the fabric quality of the architectural design suit the geo situation of the metro, actual verses an imitating design? Was the design read and implemented thoroughly without doing some illegal costs savings to make more profit by missing some technical specs of minor regularities of architecture and building? The building supervisors' qualifications have to be questioned? I would like someone to clarify on this. I know, there are some good bunch of experience graduate builders out there from the province who might agree with me on some technical aspects, though I'm not one. It’s the quality of the materials, and the labour employed that has created this shit as reveal at a very early stage, man! We can no longer hide in vain. This is a public asset and what is spent on should yield what is expected of. You can't waste months to build a cheap house with huge costs that happens to breakdown in days. How would one feel, eh!? What and where’s the satisfaction and pride? If maintenance has to be carried out on this newly constructed building and then guaranteed to use, it will be a joke in the modern history of Architecture and Building. And yet its a business risk for the investor/occupants. How are we attracting investment into the province with cheap risky buildings? When are we changing this 'ENGAN' (in melpa language) mentality to bring tangible and sustainable developments and quality services? Why not engan Architectures become creative and design own rather then imitating and copycatting designs and landscapes? We are still gonna build WHP at every costs because not at one time will the so call Engan pride is not taken into consideration from a positive and more economic perspective. Peace out richard [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: NEW ENGA BSP BUILDING DETERORIATING Author: tony [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Sun, Jan 20 2008, 02:14:43pm Guys, the topic is a good subject matter for discussion. It's an Engan icon and the people of Enga must know what they are getting from their money. Getting on Panda Builders is wrong, it's not right because they are just a contractor. Whoever is the representative of EPG acting as the engineer or architect should be blamed as they are not doing their job. If the report is true, these con-engineers and architects should be sacked or demoted by EP Administrator and recruit true professionals who are qualified to do the job. In any contract, the contractor is bound by law to rectify any damage or poor workmanship within 6 or 12 months after commissioning of any project at the contractors costs. Therefore, this is a matter for EPG to address. In future, can we attack the subject and not the individuals as this is discouraging meaningful contribution in this forum??? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: NEW ENGA BSP BUILDING DETERORIATING Author: 1aku [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Thu, Jan 24 2008, 06:54:47am This is really mind-boggling. Why did this big news hit the International news waves but was not being reported and/or posted in any of our medias??? Or is there more to this than what meets the eye?? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: NEW ENGA BSP BUILDING DETERORIATING Author: richard [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Thu, Jan 24 2008, 02:48:37pm I'm not pinpointing Panda Builders. please try and understand the subjects discussed. Where it be Panda Builders or whichever, it is the quality of material and work, the technicalities of tendering process to award the contract to a more recognised and reputable company for a qaulity output, the qualifications of the labor (architecturers and Builders)employed, the business risks, etc. Pity for the carpenters, they are just implementers. Offcourse, the contractor has to take the blame one way or the other if you think it is innocence. That's inevitable coz subjects and matters are integral part of the whole process! okay "TONY", these are the subjects we are discussing plus the EPG. umm, 1naku, please you may/not know but PNG media is controlled. There are more strange things happening in the country then what is being printed and broadcasted. ya, its really a pitty! much luv to all of you [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: NEW ENGA BSP BUILDING DETERORIATING Author: SB [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2008, 10:44:50am The contractor is always there to maximise profit, be it Panda Builders, Niugini Builders, Hornibrooks or whoever it may be. In the absence of techincally competent Project Managers, how can quality assusrance be managed. The contractor will always quote for premium product and supply sub standard materials to maximise profit unless the project manager knows the difference between the materials used. I think there are too many con engineers going around in Wabag who in reality do not know the difference between concrete compressive strengths, steel grades and the list goes on. The infrasture built is as good as the person looking after it's construction. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: NEW ENGA BSP BUILDING DETERORIATING Author: tony [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Fri, Jan 25 2008, 08:25:25am Richard, you may have read me wrong here. I refered to coments like ' Enga Obudsman = Coconut Brain + Kid Punk'. I do not know who EO is but belting such young editors who are contributing to the forum is just wrong. I'd rather attack the subject than discourage individuals who are expressing their views on such issues affecting our people and the province. Anyway, going back to the subject, the maintenace period is not over yet so if people like the EPG Works Cordinator can get their acts together and get Panda to rectify the problems. FYI, the EPG tendering process is designed in such a way to discourage other contractors and encourage engan builders tasol so lets live with it. I hope, they review their tendering process and allow public tenders/bids and invite reputable contractors to bid for Enga icons projects. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: NEW ENGA BSP BUILDING DETERORIATING Author: trupela man [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Mon, Feb 04 2008, 12:58:51pm I agree with you, Tony. Lets discuss the issue and provide answers or alternatives than blast each other on this forum. I am learning a lot by reading commentaries in here and encourage experienced Engans to share what you know. Anyway, any latest on the building? They missed the canopy or 'lome'in enga. Did they miss this out? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: NEW ENGA BSP BUILDING DETERORIATING Author: Komai (Wake Wane) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Sat, Apr 12 2008, 06:01:01pm Gents, All your comments and the general discussion here was so far so good. This shows how much we feel about our capital (Wabag) as truely this is our source of pride. I believe, we need systems in place to keep a good record of building contractors who do a quality job or not. Besides, Government administrators have to carefully check through the qualifications and experiences of Building Engineers, Architerctures or whatever you might want to call before they are given any job in the public sector. After all, what ever that's already on the surface of Wabag Town is the pride of Enga...Enjoy your stay in Wabag. Kamai [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: NEW ENGA BSP BUILDING DETERORIATING Author: Sari Songster (Enjoy Wabag if you can) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Sun, Apr 13 2008, 06:46:59am Wabag Town Tra lala like a bridal gown tra lala new and virginal once but that was before lans tra lala when all the meal felt like a peel tra lala and this song is for the dunce [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: NEW ENGA BSP BUILDING DETERORIATING Author: Hwaters [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Sun, Apr 13 2008, 06:41:42pm Fellows, I was there last Xmas and I saw it myself. The building was falling apart. The paints were peeling off and the gutters were leaking. Some dummy was trying to repaint them but wasn't of any help. I overheard some employees complaining about the leaking interiors and how embarassing it was to work in a building that was new yet falling apart. A building worth K5 million falling apart in less than 12 months, what a disgrace. Infact the K5 million is loaned to EPG by BSP for the building don't know how EPG is going to justify paying for a rotting substandard structure. About the engineers and building supervisors in Enga, there is none that I know of. Those functions are non existent or if they do they are coached to suit the interest of the governor and his croonies. And the builders, off course we know who Panda Builders is and the kind of development it brings for our money. We are stucked in a blackhole, looks we have no way out as all our resources are sucked into hole. I guess we just have to wait for another 5 years in agony. God Bless Enga [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: NEW ENGA BSP BUILDING DETERORIATING Author: tony [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Wed, May 07 2008, 03:20:58pm Hwaters, you are quite right but I doubt if the EPG's HR office has a proper professional recruitment process in place?...all they do is to vote the right man in as Governor and you are guaranteed whatever position you want... If you take a head count, you will be surprised to see the majority being High School drop outs??? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]