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Subject: Shocking Event


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TapuMalo
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Date Posted: Wed, Nov 07 2007, 09:55:04am

Hi Fellows,

I wish to do share with you an event that shocked me yesterday. That was probably the most shocking phone call I got from home....to me it was news, even beyond news... I don't know how to put it but it goes like;

I lived in Pom last year and I had this neighabour who is from the same area in Laiagam. We were good family friends and we came to know each other very well. This family (my neighabour) had a daughter who was around 18 last year and some other kids too.

Now there was this guy who played for your mioks team couple of years ago which I came to know because he happened to be friends with some of my mates. He was diognised with HIV/AIDS in 2005.

Two days ago I made a routine call to my family in Pom just to check upon them and guess what? This girl (my neighabour's daughter) got married to HIV/AIDS positive person. The girl knew it all alone, her parents knew it, everyone in that street knew it, it was the hottest gossip in that street for months. The guy was a regular around the place so whenever he turned up to drink or see his mates eveyone especially the women would sit down and start wishpering and gossiping about him...you guys know what I am talking about here, Enga woman....we all know what they are like.

I asked my family why? They don't know...maybe it's LOVE.

I actually don't know what to say and how to put it but I am saddened because this was the only girl my neighabour had and her mum and dad used to spend so much money and resources on this girl.....all that is a waste now. I can't imagine how the poor parents are feeling now, not to mention her extended relatives.

Can this be LOVE or MADNESS?

Stay safe

Blessings

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[> Subject: Re: Shocking Event


Author:
chicko
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Date Posted: Thu, Nov 08 2007, 08:33:06am

it's probably LOVE!!

The shocking thing to me is how can a pathetic idiot & sick person like that knowingly marry an innocent young girl only to take her to the tomb with him!!!!

On the otherside, the girl may have already been infected from him unknowingly before or from other people and it's best two HIV infected couple marry.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Shocking Event


Author:
faraway
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Date Posted: Thu, Nov 08 2007, 04:30:12pm

strange things happen in the name of "love"

I agree with you, if they both have HIV they might as well be married and enjoy some happiness together, without infecting other people, hopefully they won't bring any children into the world.

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[> Subject: Shocking Event - End of human HIV trials 'a major blow'


Author:
Anul1
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Date Posted: Thu, Nov 08 2007, 08:29:11pm

End of human HIV trials 'a major blow'
November 8, 2007 - 6:20PM
Source: ABC

A researcher says the end of the trials is a major blow (File Photo).
Photo: AAP
A leading Australian vaccine researcher says the end of human trials of a promising HIV vaccine is a major blow to hopes that any vaccine will halt the spread of AIDS.

The Merck company today released an analysis of cancelled trials which suggest that its vaccine might have increased susceptibility to HIV infection.

Nine Australians are believed to be among thousands of people who are unaware a once-promising vaccine for AIDS has increased their infection risk after they participated in clinical trials around the world.

Professor Ian Ramshaw from the John Curtin School of Medical Research says it is highly significant news after disappointing results from a number of other HIV vaccine trials.

"This is one of the larger trials where they're basically looking at susceptibility and it's extremely disappointing, because the immunity is quite high in these individuals," he said.

"It means, by the looks of things, there won't be a HIV vaccine for a good while yet, whether we'll get one at all."

Trials cancelled

The multinational trials involving more than 3,000 HIV-negative volunteers were cancelled in September after a large-scale study found the vaccine was not effective at preventing infection.

Researchers have this morning revealed far worse news - those who received the V520 vaccine are more susceptible to acquiring the AIDS virus.

The volunteers were warned to protect themselves from exposure to AIDS but were not told if they were administered the vaccine or the inactive placebo.

The information was kept secret to minimise biases in the study.

Scientists will decide over the next 10 days whether those involved in the trial should be told about whether they were given the vaccine or not.

Merck says volunteers can opt out of the study now and be told if they were given the HIV vaccine.

All but one of the infections were in male volunteers and the bulk of those infected were homosexual men.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Shocking Event - End of human HIV trials 'a major blow'


Author:
1aku
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Date Posted: Fri, Nov 09 2007, 02:21:00am

If that is the case then I believe they will never find a cure for this deadly disease (AIDS). It seems apparent that this disease is like a curse from God (even though God does not allow bad things to happen to His people) for people who are abusing their body for earthly pleasures. Biblically, our body is the temple of God and if we start trashing it then we should expect the inevitable.

Only God will be the judge of those who got the disease through other means like rape, spouse being unfaithful, and children being born with the virus or infected blood transfusions etc.

The very important thing now is for us to prevent ourselves from being infectedótaking extra precautions and making right decisions. Lets not let our body control our mind but let our mind control our body.

Take care and lets all be faithful to God and to ourselves too.

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[> Subject: End of human HIV trials 'a major blow'


Author:
Anul1
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Date Posted: Thu, Nov 08 2007, 08:31:52pm

End of human HIV trials 'a major blow'
November 8, 2007 - 6:20PM
Source: ABC

A leading Australian vaccine researcher says the end of human trials of a promising HIV vaccine is a major blow to hopes that any vaccine will halt the spread of AIDS.

The Merck company today released an analysis of cancelled trials which suggest that its vaccine might have increased susceptibility to HIV infection.

Nine Australians are believed to be among thousands of people who are unaware a once-promising vaccine for AIDS has increased their infection risk after they participated in clinical trials around the world.

Professor Ian Ramshaw from the John Curtin School of Medical Research says it is highly significant news after disappointing results from a number of other HIV vaccine trials.

"This is one of the larger trials where they're basically looking at susceptibility and it's extremely disappointing, because the immunity is quite high in these individuals," he said.

"It means, by the looks of things, there won't be a HIV vaccine for a good while yet, whether we'll get one at all."

Trials cancelled

The multinational trials involving more than 3,000 HIV-negative volunteers were cancelled in September after a large-scale study found the vaccine was not effective at preventing infection.

Researchers have this morning revealed far worse news - those who received the V520 vaccine are more susceptible to acquiring the AIDS virus.

The volunteers were warned to protect themselves from exposure to AIDS but were not told if they were administered the vaccine or the inactive placebo.

The information was kept secret to minimise biases in the study.

Scientists will decide over the next 10 days whether those involved in the trial should be told about whether they were given the vaccine or not.

Merck says volunteers can opt out of the study now and be told if they were given the HIV vaccine.

All but one of the infections were in male volunteers and the bulk of those infected were homosexual men.

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[> Subject: Re: Shocking Event


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anon
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Date Posted: Fri, Nov 09 2007, 05:30:42am

I don't think it's a curse from God. God has promised in the new testament era never to show anger towards mankind.

My Opinion: This is a disease created by a few ultra-rich racist whiteman to take over the world. Their intent is to eradicate all indegenous colored people off the face of this planet. Of course they have the antidote but who said they will make it known to the world. They have a sinister motive behind this and will see to it that their objectives are fulfilled. These aer the people who control the cash flow of the world and are the very figures behind the World Bank, IMF, UN and other multinatonal bodies.

Please do research this topic in your library or the internet and get to learn some facts from my perspective. I have read a few things on this and am starting to believe that these few racists started this disease in the US in the late 60s and now its raging across the planet. Most of the peoples who have suffered from AIDS are colored people. It is even mentioned in one of the articles I read that the HIV strain in white AIDS victims are different and causes less severe weakening of the body defense mechanisms then those in the Black/colored people.

yu yet you lukluk good na skelim which theory is correct BUT noken lus tingting to PLAY IT SAFE AT ALL TIMES!

anon

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[> [> Subject: Re: Shocking Event


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anon
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Date Posted: Fri, Nov 09 2007, 10:31:26am

I also read about the "The Conspiracy Theory" although theory can not be disproved, the theory ignores the clear link between SIV and HIV. It also fail to take into consideration the lack of genetic-engineering technology available to 'create' the virus when AIDS first appeared.

40 million people currently living with AIDS/HIV and more than 25 million have died since 1981 with around 63% of people living with HIV are in sub-Saharan Africa.

"Without education, AIDS will continue its rampant spread. With AIDS out of control, education will be out of reach."

-Peter Piot, Director of UNAIDS-

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[> [> Subject: Re: Shocking Event


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1aku
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Date Posted: Sat, Nov 10 2007, 08:11:48pm

It is certain from literatures that no one knows how the HIV Aids virus has originated or who exactly spread the dreadful disease. All the theories you have mentioned are theories that different scientists have developed when investigating the possibilities of the origin of Aids. Each of these individual scientists seems to be adamant about their individual theories and think that each of their theories are true and correct. So which theory do we take to be true??? Or could we say the source or spread of Aids has come about by a combination of many different events??.

Your opinion on disease being created by a few ultra-rich racist whiteman to take over the world also had great controversy when a African female Environmentalist and Political activist called Wangari Maathai mentioned the same that AIDS was deliberately created by Western Scientists to decimate the black population. Again, this are just some whacked out theory without any basis or evidence but easy to believe to be true. And I think the reason HIV strain in white AIDS victims are different and causes less severe weakening of the body defense mechanisms than those in the coloured people are because of the clean environment, good food, personal hygiene, love, care etc. then the coloured people who tend to discriminate and also do the unthinkable once discovered they are infected.

So like you said, we donít need to believe everything that a whiteman says or take things at face value. We can look at their theories but draw our own conclusions.

If the scientists donít even know how the disease came into be then who would know??? I believe ONLY God knows the answer. AIDS is universal and affects everybody. Whether, they are rich, poor, black, white, green, yellow, red. The most important thing now is for us to prevent ourselves from getting sick because no one on the face of the earth is immune to this dreadful disease.

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[> Subject: Re: Shocking Event


Author:
Aussie Woman
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Date Posted: Sat, Nov 10 2007, 12:06:47am

That consipiracy theory is rubbish.

The only reason AIDS didn't take off the same way in Australia as it has in Africa was the massive fear campaign on our TVs. "The Grim Reaper". It made us too scared to have sex outside marriage, and if we did, we used condoms. Compare this to Africa where men will not wear condoms and believe in "dry sex" which causes more trauma (and blood entry port) to the woman. Too many people in Africa still believe AIDS is from witchcraft, rathe than a virus, and so fail to be careful not to touch blood, or use condoms.

Another major factor in keeping AIDS numbers down was that the government gave (and still gives) free clean syringes and needles to drug addicts. Its not so much for the drug addicts but if you keep the numbers of drug addicts with AIDS down, the risk of it transferring to the general population is kept down.

I cared for a girl dying of AIDS in about 1990 in Australia. Yes, she was white. She caught it from her husband, who caught it from his previous girlfriend, who's ex had been a drug addict.

Have people in PNG not seen people dying of AIDS? Why do so many people have sex without condoms?

I know... ideally... abstinence and faithfulness are the way to go, but this will never be 100% realistic.

To save the so called "inocent" AIDS victims (rape, blood transfusions, birth, helping someone who is bleeding) free of AIDS, the rest of the community must be free of AIDS as well. This includes rapists and prostitutes. If they are free from AIDS, they cannot transmit it to "innocent" people.

So please,forget the idea that "it is OK for people to get AIDS.. they probably deserve it", because next thing, they will have transmitted it to your loved ones.

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[> Subject: Re: Shocking Event


Author:
anon
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Date Posted: Sat, Nov 10 2007, 04:20:30am

aussie woman, don't get brainwashed by the the whiteman.

the point is this disease did not originate from africa through human and monkey sexual intercourse like what they are lying to the world about. it was created by whitemen and the conspiracy theory has an ounce of truth in it. As an educated person you should not take anything at face value. you have to question, analyse and understand before you take a stand on any issue. we are not forcing you to believe in it. Just take a few minute of your time to research it and see the issue from a different perspective.

As for the rest of your comments, I agree with you because we need to educate people about this dreaded disease so that we can minimise its adverse effect on our people/country socially, economically and culturally.

wanbel stay.

anon

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[> [> Subject: ummmm


Author:
anon
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Date Posted: Sat, Nov 10 2007, 10:09:36am

The "Hunter" theory is based on humans killing and eating chimps and the blood of the chimps getting into wounds and cuts, not humans having sex with monkeys as you have stated.

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[> Subject: Re: Shocking Event


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anon
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Date Posted: Sat, Nov 10 2007, 04:43:04pm

oh, one theory suggests africans having sex with chimps. sure, that was how the whitemen stated it in their hypothesis. I haven't heard about the 'hunter' theory. that's news to me.

anon

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[> [> Subject: Re: Shocking Event


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1aku
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Date Posted: Sat, Nov 10 2007, 09:45:45pm

It is certain from literatures that no one knows how the HIV Aids virus has originated or who exactly spread the dreadful disease. All the theories you have mentioned are theories that different scientists have developed when investigating the possibilities of the origin of Aids. Each of these individual scientists seems to be adamant about their individual theories and think that each of their theories is true and correct. So which theory do we take to be true??? Or could we say the source or spread of Aids has come about by a combination of many different events??.

Your opinion on disease being created by a few ultra-rich racist whiteman to take over the world also had great controversy when a African female Environmentalist and Political activist called Wangari Maathai mentioned the same that AIDS was deliberately created by Western Scientists to decimate the black population. Again, these are just some whacked out theory without any basis or evidence but easy to believe to be true.

And I think the reason HIV strain in white AIDS victims are different and causes less severe weakening of the body defense mechanisms than those in the coloured people are because of the clean environment, good food, personal hygiene, love, care etc. then the coloured people who tend to discriminate and also do the unthinkable once discovered they are infected.

So like you said, we donít need to believe everything that a whiteman says or take things at face value. We can look at their theories but draw our own conclusions.

If the scientists donít even know how the disease came into be then who would know??? I believe ONLY God knows the answer. AIDS is universal and affects everybody. Whether, they are rich, poor, black, white, green, yellow, red. The most important thing now is for us to prevent ourselves from getting sick because no one on the face of the earth is immune from this dreadful disease.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Shocking Event


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anon
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Date Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2007, 09:22:30am

I haven't read anywhere on the net that suggests African men where having sex with chimps, please direct me to that site which states this.

This is a huge insult to African men.

The reason Africans are hardest hit with the HIV/AIDS is because of barriers they face every day, poverty, no access to proper medical care or drugs, negative attitudes, stigmas, no education, cultural beliefs.

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[> Subject: Re: Shocking Event


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concerned
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Date Posted: Sun, Nov 11 2007, 11:41:09am

1aku, I think you are correct. It doesn't matter how this terrible disease originate. What we as a people need to do now is to protect ourselves from this disease.

We need to educate ourselves and our people on HIV/AIDS so that they can take measures to prevent its spread. Right now Enga is experiencing an unprecedented increase in HIV/AIDS. The Big people to the smallest in status are dropping like flies everywhere in Enga. How can we stop this AIDS? I come from one of the villages surrounding the Wabag town and i have heard a lot of people from my village dying from AIDS.

One unfortunate thing I heard is that the HIV Coordinator that looks after monies from donor agencies like AusAID and the government seem to be getting rich overnight. this person comes from my village and he has been seen to be throwing cash left right and center. this is blatant and a gross missuse of funds and such people should be thrown behind bars. It is the actions of irresponsible people like this that stops PLWHA from getting enough care and medication to proplong their lives also it stops people from recieving information about this disease that may save their lives. I call upon the Enga administration to look into this matter and sort it out. There is too much corruption because of the fact that HIV/AIDS ia a hot issue that is attracting top donor monies.

concerned

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[> [> Subject: Re: Shocking Event


Author:
Anul1
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Date Posted: Sun, Nov 11 2007, 03:14:48pm

Hi concerned...you have raised some valid points but I disagree with this sentence: ...I call upon the Enga administration to look into this matter and sort it out.... The EPG is corrupt itself so I would suggest the National Aids Council and the Department of Health to investigate this. I wouldn't be surpised if this guy (misusing funds) is an Ipatas cohort.

And back to the point of discussion; preventing from the deadly disease is better than looking at theories and bla bla bla! AIDS is wiping out the future generation of Enga...
What do we have to do: tell your loved ones, friends and relatives the consequence of this instead of trying to research into the so-called theories and origins. I think this would be the only way we can help our people. If they still wish to continue on, they are begging for Mr Death and no wo/men will stop that. Better protect yourself and live a God fearing life!!

The big solution to this deadly disease is to live a Godly life and mean business to look after yourself well as you've got only 1 life. Money and sex will never get back your life once it's gone.

Tingting blon me tasol.

Cheers!
Anul1

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[> Subject: Re: Shocking Event


Author:
Aussie Woman (Facts about the origin of AIDS)
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Date Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2007, 12:05:22am

'Anon' .. before going around telling your conspiracy theories, at least know what the accepted theories in the west are.

http://www.avert.org/origins.htm

This page tells the 'standard' theories for origin of the AIDS virus, and there is DEFINITELY suggestion of sex with other primates such as chimps or gorillas.

Interesting read. I suggest all educated Engans read it before discussing this subject with any other people.

The LAST thing Enga needs is people inflamming race relations by AIDS conspiracy theories who don't even have their facts straight about the current standard theories!

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[> [> Subject: Re: Shocking Event


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Aussie Woman (Edit last post)
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Date Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2007, 12:06:41am

Sorry... the second paragraph should read This page tells the 'standard' theories for origin of the AIDS virus, and there is DEFINITELY NO suggestion of sex with other primates such as chimps or gorillas.

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[> Subject: Re: Shocking Event


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anon
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Date Posted: Tue, Nov 13 2007, 06:09:49am

Aussie whitewoman, i read the article and it did not provide concrete evidence of anything. it just decribed a few theories and the conspiracy theory is one of them. That does not mean that they are ACCEPTED truths! They are just simply ideas. Nothing but ideas thought up by man just like you and me except that they are whiteman, ok. ONCE AGAIN DO NOT BELEIVE ANYTHING YOU SEE OR HEAR AT FACE VALUE. However, you are entitled to your opinion and I mine. I think Conspiracy Theory is true and only time will prove me wrong on that.

anon

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[> Subject: Re: Shocking Event


Author:
whitewash
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Date Posted: Mon, Nov 19 2007, 12:00:58pm

Excuse me, I'm not from Papua New Guinea or Enga, but an interested researcher on this field. I happen to find this forum while googling for HIV/AIDS information and is really interesting to read how people in that part of the world are discussing such issues. I wrote the context from my laptop and I'm posting it from a public i'cafe, because some of the things I'm going to say are conflicting and I don't want to be tracked down.
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HIV/AIDS virus was created in Virginia State University. This was at the time when there was the mining boom in Africa. There are quite few books (novels) written on this by some well know writers. They used methaphors. The main idea was to eradict colored (black) race. Its a virus that weakens the energy supplied to the white blood cells. The one who came up with the anti-dote, (a taxas man), was kidnapped by authorities. The book written (half complete) by this man is till circulated among a group of people. They can't publish it, or else, they follow their leader. Just look at the Statistics of white and black(colored) AIDS victims!!! there's something to tell, lady aussie woman. I'm white but I believe in human dignity. Its just the color, everything is same. Why discrimination? its like you like apples but you prefer green from red apples, or fish from fresh water and sea.

For your info, the chinese gov't tried to invent another, but they failed to live up to their invention. They thought, it was a way of controlling their population. This is no difference to HIV/AIDS.
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God Bless you all

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[> [> Subject: Very Interesting Discussion added..


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Date Posted: Mon, Nov 19 2007, 12:19:01pm

very interesting to read...

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[> [> Subject: Re: Shocking Event


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anon
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Date Posted: Mon, Nov 19 2007, 03:05:40pm

Your comments make no sense and have no substance....a half written book which is not published!!!!!

Where is the information to back you what you have stated

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