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Date Posted: 08:30:19 09/18/02 Wed
Author: tamarisk
Subject: Re: Nomura Takasumi
In reply to: Tsunami! Kia Bunga 's message, "Nomura Takasumi" on 20:52:50 09/17/02 Tue

Dudes and Dudettes.

There are many "ministries" like the one you mentioned. I can become a DD, MBA, Phd, etc., if I have enough money.

I can't remember how Rt Rev said he came about becoming a Bishop. Me tinks he must have been painting the ceiling of his parents bathroom, slipped, and hit his punkin' heed on his china god. Thus, he received a revelation he should appoint himself a Bishop.

If Jackals was into honesty, he would just fall in line with his Ultra-Charismatic beliefs and doctrines(Third Wave Pentecostalism/Vineyard and Lighthouse Movement/A Wimberite), and anoint hisself an apostle or prophet. Then, he can become a true follower of Kenneth Hagin.

In the Charismatic lineage:

Hagin and Ramah Ministries, begat Kenneth Copeland
Copeland begat Creflo Dollar,
and so on.

I must, if I could remember the name, include the man who sat in the tower stating G_d was going to take him home if he didn't get millions of bucks from gullible peoples.

Jackals teachings all lead to him as the final "authority," and NOT the Bible. After sitting in a Vineyard conference(with press credentials) given by Dr. Larry Bates and Unraveling the New World Order, many things come to light.

The "apostle" laid his "prayer cloth" upon the pastor of the local church sponsoring this event. Thus, this pastor, by virture of his "anointing" becomes an apostle.

This is why I was NOT "saved" in a Charismatic/Pentecostal/Spirit-Filled Church. I attended a number of churches of Pentecostal flavor, early on in my walk, BEFORE I was saved, the Bible way. While attending one Sunday evening service, I "felt led" to go kneel at the alter and pray. After a while, the pastor of the church knelt down beside me. As he stated, "there are tears coming down your cheeks." This, as I later found out, was his sign that I was "repentant" and ready to "accept the Lord."(as if tears(works) can save you)

He then laid hands on my forehead and started speaking in some unknown tongue. I found out later, I was supposed to "exhibit" my "salvation" through repentance by speaking in an unknown tongue. Would I have been considered "saved" at that point? NO! The only thing that could really save me was to be "water baptised"(a perversion of Acts 2:38) with the evidence of speaking in tongues after coming up out of the water.

I stayed in that church long enough to witness 2 water baptisms. I carefully observed the coaching of the Deacon "performing" this. I emphasis performance because it is a carefully scripted play. There is a rehearsal, a coaching of what to say and how to say it when coming up out of the water.(i.e. speaking in tongues)

Of course, there are witnesses to this. The pastor and the congregation are there but NO ONE to interpret what is being said. Charismatic/Pentecostals throw out important scripture here. Oh! They will state something to the effect of--"If you want to pick apart "our" doctrines, lettuce have you stand on this scale here and check your weight." This, of course, comes back to their depection of works and what they consider gluttony.

Again, the Doritos and Apostle Jackals are all about moral and spiritual relativity and NOT about the sound, pure doctrines of the blessed Apostles of the Lord.

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