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ACNR/Dolly/Bethany -- tamarisk, 07:26:32 11/18/02 Mon
A Lilith post from R1D2:
*Coinkydink
In Response To Ctaj
Sunday November 17, 2002 at 19:43
"The reason most of us rebel against the suppositions of the Christians on this forum is because they are some of the most elitist people I've ever met. They would use their set of opinions and beliefs to govern this country if we let them. I think they would deny religious freedom, universal education, access to information, opportunity and other freedoms to non-Christians if they were given that power. That can't be allowed... Not if we treasure the country as it was truly established."
Lilith, the Bible has a few things to say concerning your obduracy:
Prov 1:24-33
24 Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;
25 But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:
26 I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;
27 When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.
28 Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:
29 For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:
30 They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.
31 Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.
32 For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.
33 But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.
Prov 29:1
1 He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.
Rev 9:20-21
20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
(KJV)
But Lilith, you have that "right" to be a New Age, Polytheist lost in Rank Duplicity, Moral Realitivity and Situational Ethics, in AmeriKa today. The Founding Fathers saw to your freedoms. However, many were caught up in that Rank Duplicity because they were members of the Blue Lodge of Freemasonry, or other "secret socities."
Keep on denying the truth of the Holy Scriptures in, Zech 9:9; 14:16; Matt 16:18; 26:29; Hebrews 8:11; Revelation 14:6 and 20:1. There are timeless prophesies being fulfulled today Fox could not grasp the severity thereof. He only knew from Scripture that technology will increase. He would be certainly be shocked at the lifestyle of today.
WRT--"...They would use their set of opinions and beliefs to govern this country if we let them. I think they would deny religious freedom, universal education, access to information, opportunity and other freedoms to non-Christians if they were given that power. That can't be allowed... Not if we treasure the country as it was truly established."
You fail to remember Biblical Truth concerning the Millennial Kindgom and where is the Church and the Jews during this period. The only real concern you have is whether you worship HaShem Y'shua as your savior, or not. Your great spiritual abyss is, Y'shua is an elitist, and you hate Him and His people.
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Jack Howell Has Aligned Himself in The Past Posts With ACLJ -- re-posted from a previous post of TAMARISK, 11:54:00 11/14/02 Thu
Was just listening to the Alex Jones radio show off of www.infowars.com. A caller reminded me of the Rt Rev and his threat of a few months ago about contacting the ACLJ and Jay Sekulow.
The caller was telling Jones how the ACLJ was advertising on the station carrying him, with Sekulow hawking the U.S. Patriot Act passage. He was saying that Christians should support that wicked bill by calling their representatives and senators and urge them to vote yes.
For the record, Jay Sekulow and the ACLJ is funded by the Pat Robertson organization. Sekulow is a Messianic Jew. Read highly Charismatic, Word of Faith Pentecostal. Having been in a messianic congregation, I can tell you it is from the pit of Hell, as is the majority of Pentecostalism as a whole.
Robertson is quoted as saying China has a right to force abortion and sterilization on its people saying, "China has to do what it has to do." They are fake Christians!
If you are a true, Born Again, Bible Believing Christian, words such as, "The Christian Coalition," "The Moral Majority," and "Conservative Christians" should be stricken from your vocabulary. They profane the very name of Almighty G_d.
I have no doubt, given his facist, gestapo like tactics, the Rt Rev is a supporter of the U.S. Patriot Act, along with the majority of that group calling themselves "Conservative Christians."
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CONGRATULATIONS! To The New Towel Boy of the Bay Area Rowing Club -- http://f.bb.bbboy.net/revealedtruthministries/MLOA.jpg, 23:03:50 11/12/02 Tue
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ACNR/Dolly/Bethany -- tamarisk, 07:01:05 11/13/02 Wed
Gotta work on blowing that pic up. I'd like to see the date of this happening. I wonder if they licensed him to be Bishop of PFA, Ink?
That piece of paper, along with a buck, will get Rt Rev El Pavo, coffee and a doughnut.
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ACNR/Dolly/Bethany/Praludium/Sola/Annie & "ED ADAMS" -- LOL!, 16:10:56 11/13/02 Wed
"Gotta work on blowing that pic up. I'd like to see
the date of this happening. I wonder if they licensed
him to be Bishop of PFA, Ink? "
What ever for? It looks O-PHICIAL to me! FOFLMFO
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ACNR/Dolly/Bethany -- tamarisk, 10:28:38 11/14/02 Thu
Was just listening to the Alex Jones radio show off of www.infowars.com. A caller reminded me of the Rt Rev and his threat of a few months ago about contacting the ACLJ and Jay Sekulow.
The caller was telling Jones how the ACLJ was advertising on the station carrying him, with Sekulow hawking the U.S. Patriot Act passage. He was saying that Christians should support that wicked bill by calling their representatives and senators and urge them to vote yes.
For the record, Jay Sekulow and the ACLJ is funded by the Pat Robertson organization. Sekulow is a Messianic Jew. Read highly Charismatic, Word of Faith Pentecostal. Having been in a messianic congregation, I can tell you it is from the pit of Hell, as is the majority of Pentecostalism as a whole.
Robertson is quoted as saying China has a right to force abortion and sterilization on its people saying, "China has to do what it has to do." They are fake Christians!
If you are a true, Born Again, Bible Believing Christian, words such as, "The Christian Coalition," "The Moral Majority," and "Conservative Christians" should be stricken from your vocabulary. They profane the very name of Almighty G_d.
I have no doubt, given his facist, gestapo like tactics, the Rt Rev is a supporter of the U.S. Patriot Act, along with the majority of that group calling themselves "Conservative Christians."
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OH LOOKIE!!!! - Jackie W. Finially Got His GED! -- http://f.bb.bbboy.net/revealedtruthministries/MLOA.jpg, 16:04:32 11/13/02 Wed
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Won't Willa and Wayne burst their buttons!
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CONGRATULATIONS! Jackie -- PFAI is abbreviated to give members a chance at spelling it, 16:29:35 11/13/02 Wed
He was distinguished for ignorance.
The PENTECOSTAL FAITH ASSEMBLIES, INC. is abbreviated to PFAI to give more members a chance of spelling it.
Regarding the photo: Is the one in the middle sitting down? Or is he just vertically challenged?
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ACNR/Dolly/Bethany -- tamarisk, 12:29:39 11/12/02 Tue
The results of war, coming to a neighborhood near you. Brought to you by G. W. Bush, Dick Cheney, John Ashcroft, Donald Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, etc.
Sniper Suspect May Have Been Exposed to Chemicals Linked to Gulf War Syndrome
BY DAVID WOOD
c.2002 Newhouse News Service
WASHINGTON -- The alleged Washington sniper, John Allen Muhammad, may have been exposed to chemical weapons that have been linked to Gulf War Syndrome, an illness which experts said can result in unexplained bouts of intense violence.
Muhammad, arrested early Thursday as a prime suspect in the Washington area shootings, served with the Army's 84th Engineer Company during the Persian Gulf War, military officers said.
That unit, attached to the 2nd Armored Cavalry Regiment, helped inspect, catalog and destroy extensive stockpiles of Iraqi chemical weapons at a depot near Khamisiyah, Iraq, in March 1991 following the cease-fire March 3, Pentagon records show.
According to Defense Department and CIA documents, the 84th Engineers worked handled the Iraqi chemical weapons stored in bunkers at the Tall al Lahm Storage Depot South and Tall al Lahm Ammo Storage Facility near Khamisiyah.
The 84th Engineers also helped demolish Iraqi rockets filled with the deadly nerve agent Sarin during March 10-13, 1991, Pentagon documents show. The process of blowing up the rockets may have vaporized dangerous amounts of the nerve agent, Pentagon investigators later concluded.
According to a final Pentagon report on the issue, "U.S. troops may have been exposed to chemical agents that are a suspected cause of Gulf War Syndrome."
Gulf War Syndrome is the name now applied to a variety of complaints that can range from mild headaches and dizziness to illnesses such as amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, or Lou Gehrig's Disease.
Out of the roughly 540,000 American troops who served in Desert Storm, some 175,000 are thought to have some form of the neurological and neuro-immune illnesses that have been documented so far.
"Once it came out that he had a military background, I said this must be a Gulf War veteran," said Dr. William E. Baumzweiger, a Los Angeles neurologist and psychiatrist who specializes in treating Gulf War Syndrome patients.
"There is no doubt that a small but significant number of Gulf War veterans become homicidal" because of Gulf War Syndrome, said Baumzweiger,until recently a staff psychiatrist and neurologist at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles. He is a leading expert on Gulf War Syndrome.
He said in such cases "there was always a bizarre strangeness about the violence in that it seemed to come out ofnowhere, there were no personal problems or longstanding history" to explain it. The violence, he said, "appears to just come out of thin air."
Experts on Gulf War Syndrome said Muhammad's behavior fits precisely the patterns exhibited by some other Gulf War veterans.
"This kind of bizarre story, where he is on the one hand killing people and on the other hand writing notes to the government basically pleading for help, that's a typical story you see in Gulf War veterans," Baumzweiger said.
During his active-duty military service as John Allen Williams during 1985-1994, Muhammad, now 41, rose to be a sergeant and qualified as "expert" on the M-16 carbine. He was also expert in the use of hand grenades, according to military officers who reviewed his records Thursday.
Muhammad earned the standard medals and ribbons given to soldiers "if you haven't gotten in trouble," said one officer familiar with his records. These include the Army Service Ribbon and the National Defense Service Medal. He qualified as a combat engineer, a metal worker and water transport specialist, and attended the noncommissioned officers professional development course when he was promoted to sergeant.
"There's nothing unusual, he was a pretty average joe," said the officer, who asked not to be identified.
But as troops came home from the war in 1991, they began to report unexplained medical symptoms. It can take as long as five years for Gulf War Syndrome symptoms to appear.
For five years after the Gulf War, the Pentagon refused to acknowledge that some troops might have been suffering medical problems as a result of chemical contamination. Since then, teams of investigators have verified that soldiers were in fact exposed, and their treatment at Department of Veterans Affairs medical centers has been authorized. Under increasingly severe pressure from Congress and the public, the Pentagon finally admitted it knew of some chemical contamination and acknowleged the veterans really were sick.
It was not immediately clear Thursday whether Muhammad ever exhibited any symptoms of Gulf War syndrome or sought help from veterans agencies.
VA officials acknowledged that because of budget restrictions and growing demands, veterans who apply for mental health care can wait a year or more to be seen by a primary card doctor.
"Sad to say, but true: There are those who work for the VA who treat veterans like second-class citizens," said Dick Vargas, a clinical social worker who works with mentally disabled veterans at the VA medical center in Brockton, Mass.
In the first years after the Gulf war, hundreds of veterans came to the VA for help. Most of them were turned away, VA officials have acknowledged.
(David Wood can be contacted at David.Wood@Newhouse.com. Reporter Peter Shellem of The Patriot-News in Harrisburg, Pa., contributed to this story.)
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ACNR/Dolly/Bethany -- tamarisk, 08:17:49 11/12/02 Tue
I have been teaching nightly bible study these past few weeks out of the books of Joshua and Judges. I find the current Mags-Lilith debate on war amusing.
Prov 20:18
18 Every purpose is established by counsel: and with good advice make war.
Luke 14:30-35
30 Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.
31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?
32 Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.
33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
34 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned?
35 It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; but men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
(KJV)
I wonder if either Mags or Lilith can name the leaders in the book of Judges who failed to seek the face of G_d in their desire to make war with the Canaanites, etc. What were the consequences of their failure?
I find the story of Gideon an interesting parallel to Christians today. Christians today are willing to serve the Lord under the cover of darkness. They will wear their Christianity on their sleeve, never risking their cherished beliefs by sharing them with others. Like Gideon, many Christians, upon seeing The Angel of the Lord, would rather make a meal in His honor as an offering. G_d wants obedience. Your works outside of that obedience are for nought.
Another interesting part of the story is where the Lord pared down Gideon's army to 300. The story of the soldiers drinking and how they drank from the water is interesting. Are you drinking from the Word of G_d by lapping; drinking heavily and deeply? Or, are you taking some in your hand; drinking shallow, ever looking around to see who is watching?
I thought of Mags, last night, while teaching on Samson, Manoah and his wife and their encounter with The Angel of the Lord. Samson was to be a Nazarite to G_d, in the womb of his mother. She was to obstain from fruits of the vine, strong fermented drinks made from grains, nor touch anything dead. This vow transferred to Samson upon his birth.
The amusing part is where Manoah wanted to know the name of The Angel of the Lord. The Lord, of course, told him it was none of his business. A tactic lost over on the R1D2 channel in dealing with TMS, Ctaj, and the Bobblehead Demon.
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Of Course Dr. Chambers Blew Leon's Letter Off As Just Another Dakite Heretic -- Leon & Jack Were Round Filed By Chambers & Paulson, 05:54:26 11/10/02 Sun
Subject: Remember Pastor Paulson, I Emailed The Above Letter To You On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 19:24:25 -0700 (PDT)
Author: Rev. Jack Howell Date Posted: 05:40:12 11/08/02 Fri
”And you emailed back stating you would read Pastor Bible's response to Rev. Chambers' ignorant, inaccurate, and uninformed article that you quote on your website. You also promised to get back with me after you have read Bro. Bible's response to Rev. Chambers. Let me remind you that to date, Rev. Chambers has failed to respond to Pastor Bible's letter to him.” Well big Whoop! We’ll git right on dat Jack and the Dr. Chambers will hold all calls, work on weekends, and not eat until he drops everything and replies to your insulting arrogant rant, thar big feller. (Notice as fond as jack is of HIS title, he denies Dr. Chambers his EARNED title when addressing him? Typical Pharisee ) I think nuance escapes the bedroom bishop. "you emailed back stating you would read Pastor Bible's response to Rev. Chambers'..."
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The letter jack references surely made it no further than the round file of Dr. Chambers’ office. I would wager that if he has a secretary, he may not have even been bothered with such utter foolishness! This reader got no farther than the opening paragraph and next sentence before they decided there are better ways to spend one’s time.
Leon Bible pulled out the kitchen drawer of insults and supercilious baiting. It appeared to be a clumsy attempt from the onset, an ignorant letter replete with dangling participles……….thus:
”1. Why did you write an article about which you have no knowledge of?” Gee, Jethro…I mean, LEON….let me pluck them chickens and git back wit chew on dat.
Mr. Bible may fancy himself superior to Dr. Chambers, as all Dakite heretics tend to have an air of superiority wafting about in their jeans (yes that was spelled correctly), but who wants to read some circuitous rambling letter? It begins with ungentlemanly insults and poor grammar then proceeds to twist and fling scripture.
Then Jack and ol Leon get huffy because I, like Dr. Chambers and Pastor Paulson won’t give their foolishness the time of day! What a joke! LOL!
"you emailed back stating you would read Pastor Bible's response to Rev. Chambers'..."
Hey Jackie: Let's do lunch sometime. I'll call ya, pardnar.
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Is Reverend PFAKE “divinely called”? Does he ACT like it? -- Sola Scriptura, 11:56:57 09/25/02 Wed
Our salvation depends on who Jesus is and what He did. We need to know its truth. Therefore, as Christians, we should separate ourselves from the false doctrines that make powerless the saving truth of Christ's sacrifice. The motive to divide should be reserved for our dealings with heretics. We should separate ourselves from false teachers and false doctrines and expose those who have crept in among the flock.
Rt. Rev Howelloween is one such wolf who readily attaches himself to the title of “bishop” like a common leach, yet he declines any of the attending burdens of accountability or responsibility. The Rt Rev has demonstrated an ability to overlook many of scriptural demands of the title he covets. He is a virtue-less person who brings disgrace to himself and the church he claims to represent.
Rt Rev Howelloween and his fellow travelers have robbed the Church of much of its power bringing disgrace and destruction in their wake. Where the early Christians had to rely on God for their every need, drive-through churches and internet sites with no accountability have made us complacent and sluggish to the call of God. His hypocrisy and lack of moral uprightness is proclaimed proudly in his word and contradicted in his every deed. It leaves the work to the weary and small who have a burden and who spend their efforts in a constant and mostly frustrating battle for the truth.
Rt. Rev Howelloween must first of all, confess his sins to our Lord and Savior and repent from them. He needs to step back from his faux pedestal and fake title and recognize his sinfulness, pride, gossip, and idols of a false “power” he claims to have over others. He needs to place more wear and tear on his knees and less on his calloused typing fingers as he whores from one chat room to the next sullying the image of Christ as he sniffs the internet air like a camel in heat. He brings disgrace to himself and the “church” (corporate) he maintains he was “divinely called” to represent.
Being an elder is a high calling. Rt Rev should not be in office if he is unable to fulfill the requirements of the office according to scripture and he should not be chosen because he is a popular figure in the local church, or a friend of the outgoing person holding “office” or because it is a coveted title he would wish to proudly wear for ALL to see. Clearly Jack Howell is a un-Godly counterfeit and a tare who is ruled by his belly: figuratively and literally! THOSE WITH EYES – MAY THEY SEE!
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Is Reverend PFAKE “divinely called”? Does he ACT like it? -- Jackie is a Dakite Cult Follower, 18:51:58 11/09/02 Sat
Clearly Jack Howell is a un-Godly counterfeit and a tare who is making his employer pay for him to play on the net.
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There is Something Very WRONG With the Right Reverend Jack Howell -- It appears that there is no limit to Jack's carnal desires, 18:44:53 11/07/02 Thu
The following is by the late E.G. Cook (1898-1987) and aimed at the shameless Rt. Reverend Jack Howell who in his supposed 25 years in the ministry, has never, not once, run a church on his own. Jack Howell likes to portray himself to those who don't know him as a very important bishop. It is all part of the myth he perpetuates as a means of making himself feel important and superior on the internet. Jack Howell always attaches the designation to his name because he covets his title of "reverend."
So far as I am able to learn, the title "reverend" was never used in connection with a mere man for at least 1,400 years after all those elders were ordained in New Testament times. The word "reverend" in Psa. 111:9 comes from the Hebrew Word "yare." This word is used more than 300 times in the Scriptures, but only one time is it translated "reverend." Other meanings of this word "yare" are "dreadful," "feared," and "terrible." The title "terrible" would seem to fit some preachers I know better than "reverend."
According to the Oxford Universal Dictionary, the title of "reverend" was first applied to persons of age and character in 1449. In 1485, the deans in the Catholic Church were given the title of "Very Reverend" and the bishops were called "Right Reverend." God's title was "Reverend," so in order for the deans and bishops to be more highly honored than God, they used "Very Reverend" for the deans and "Right Reverend" for the bishops.
It would seem that by this time man would have been satisfied to just leave God this far behind. It appears, however, that there is no limit to man's carnal desires; not only to be like the Most High, but to go beyond Him. In 1642 the Arch-Bishops began to be called "Most Right Reverend." Just how much more reverend can you be than that! Three years later, in 1645, just exactly 200 years before the Southern Baptist Convention was born, the title of "reverend" was applied to the clergy as a whole.
The Catholic Church had already taken over the matter of saving people. They just dash a little water on a person's head, and there you have it. That is so much more comfortable than hanging on a tree for six hours, by means of nails through the hands and feet.
The matter of forgiving sins had already been taken care of as well. If you have the money, I understand you can have the sins you have already committed forgiven, and even the ones you plan to commit next weekend. Surely they have the most convenient religion in all the world.
Now that they had taken over God's function in the matter of saving people and forgiving their sins, it was only a little thing for them to take over His title. All this will culminate in the man of sin in 2 Thess. 2:3-4. If you notice in Revelation 19:20, our Lord does not even go to the trouble of killing that old rascal. He just casts him into the lake of fire alive. ...
It seems to me that if Baptist preachers would investigate the origin of their title, they would prefer the one given to them in God's Word, rather than one given to them by the Catholic Church. If Baptists would discard all the junk the Catholic Church has sold them through the centuries, they would find they have a lot more room for Bible truth. --copied from The Historic Baptist
Poor Right Reverend even with that title; He STILL is not allowed to post here
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EXPOSING A PFAKE MINISTER as a liar, trickster, deceiver & counterfeit -- YOU ARE BUSTED JACK HOWELL AS A LIAR AND FAKE!, 23:55:45 10/25/02 Fri
Author: Rev. Jack Howell
Date Posted: 04:36:25 08/25/02 Sun
"You are building my case for me against you to present further evidence to Southwestern Bell Internet.
I will be meeting with their local representative on Monday morning and will present all the archived posts you have posted in which you have libeled and slandered me."
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THERE ARE NO……REPEAT; NO “SOUTHWESTERN BELL INTERNET” OFFICES IN OKLAHOMA!
SECONDLY: SOLA SCRIPTURA’S INTERNET SERVICE IS DSL, IT HAS NO CONNECTION WITH THE PHONE SERVICE PROVIDERS, AND IT DOES NOT EVEN GO BY THE NAME JACK HOWELL STATES!
THEY ARE ALL TOGETHER SEPARATE INTITIES! THEY ROARED LAUGHING AT JACK’S TRICKSTER GAME.
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Date Posted: 19:41:24 07/30/02 Tue
Author: Rev. Jack Howell
Author Host/IP: 68.12.221.220
to: Sola
”I WELCOME investigation. You,
obviously fear it .....you fabricate baloney such as that, bt it will be your undoing since it is also being forwarded to Southwestern Bell Internet as per their request.”
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“OBVIOUSLY YOU FEAR IT”
OKAY, PFAI MEMBERS WHAT IS YOUR BISHOP’S MOTIVATION?
bt it will be your undoing since it is also being forwarded to Southwestern Bell Internet as per their request.
THAT IS A TAUNT AND THREAT BUT
THE JOKE IS ON JACK HOWELL BECAUSE THERE IS NO “SWB INTERNET’ CONNECTED TO SOLA, THEY HAVE NO RECORD OF EVER HAVING HAD CONTACT WITH JACK HOWELL IN ANY FORM.
PER THEIR REQUEST IT IS ALL MADE UP FOR THE PURPOSE OF SILENCING OTHERS WITH PFAKE THREATS!
SOLA’S SERVER NEVER “REQUESTED” ANYTHING! THEY THINK JACK HOWELL IS A SCREWBALL AND WHAT THEY DID REQUEST WAS THAT A POLICE REPORT BE MADE ON JACK HOWELL!
THEY ADVISED SOLA TO CONTACT THE POLICE IMMEDIATELY AND FILE A REPORT AGAINST JACK. THEY SAID HE WAS UNSTABLE AND "NEEDS TO BE STOPPED FROM MAKING FALSE THREATS AND REPORTED"!
Now I have ALSO known SAK for 7 years and his name is NOT ED ADAMS AND HE IS USING HIS COMPUTERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH HIS AGREEMENTS.
EVERYTIME JACK THREATENS WITH ALL THIS NONSENSE IT JUST SERVES TO DEMONSTRATE WHAT A DESPERATE LIAR AND DECEIVER HE IS! REPENT JACK!
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Re: EXPOSING A PFAKE MINISTER as a liar, trickster, deceiver & counterfeit -- tamarisk, 06:46:20 10/28/02 Mon
WRT: "How about one of us emailing that pseudo-preacher Tamarisk and get a password so we can use it to post on his dunghill of a forum? The same wannabes that post here are also posting their trash over there, too!"
I thought stealing passwords would be a piece of cake for someone claiming to have hundreds of IP numbers. Would have thought internet hacking was these peoples profession.
Earth to whomever, I am NOT the "owner/operator" of this forum. -10 points for stoopidity. I have no passwords to give. Yule have to contact the "forum administrator" iffin ya'll wants to post.
Happy Howellween!!
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EXPOSING A PFAKE MINISTER as a liar, trickster, deceiver & counterfeit -- 96 theses, 09:48:47 11/03/02 Sun
kinda humorous. just checked into the rose room and took a look. the heretics-deux, gerry and jackie, believe they are posting to sola. they are soooo clueless. gotta snicker. it goes to the heart of their lack of G-dly discernment.
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EXPOSING A PFAKE MINISTER as a liar, trickster, deceiver & counterfeit -- berean, 11:22:16 11/06/02 Wed
It is interesting to note that Jack Howell has no defense.
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Re: EXPOSING A PFAKE MINISTER as a liar, trickster, deceiver & counterfeit -- tamarisk, 11:48:02 11/07/02 Thu
It certainly is interesting that whatever or whomever Rt Rev El Pavo contacted, thought he was a real turkey and dangerous. File the police report for future reference.
The Bobblehead Demon is ranting once again over on the R2D2 forum. Again, a great message from the book of Joshua. When you tolerate and compromise G_d's Holy Word, you get the deal with the consequences. How much longer will the mods tolerate TMS, Ctaj, the Bobblehead Demon, etc?
Or, you can be like GellyB in signing a non-aggression pact with the Oneness Pentecostal, Mags. Israel too, thought they could live in harmony with the Canaanites, making them their taxpaying servants. If you are truly Born Again, Saved the Bible way, have the Holy Spirit within you, He will NOT share His temple, your body, with another god. The false godz will not want to stay. This was the great commandment and promise from G_d, through Moses and Joshua when Israel possessed the Promised Land.
Once you've kicked out those false godz and wrong teachings our of your life, it's up to you to NOT let them back in. You can do this through effective, fervent prayer, praying a hedge of protection around you and your loved ones.
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ACNR/Dolly -- tamarisk, 15:52:09 11/05/02 Tue
From the R2D2 channel.
WRT--"It's Christian to share. It's NOT Christian to make others share against their will."
Being engaged with the loco public "fool" system in a Constructive Discharge complaint has given me more time to conduct bible study.
I spent 5 daze with my group, going through the Book of Joshua. Joshua or Yeshua, in the Hebrew, has some great parallels for the Christian.
The book and the character of Joshua is symbolic of the restoration of the church.
Throughout the entire book, the great message from G_d's anointed leader to go up and possess the land. To possess requires action. You need to do something, but that something needs to be after prayer and in the will of G_d.
The book is full of information concerning some of the tribes of Israel and they acting presumptively. Instead of going up and possessing the land by driving out the Canaanites. G_d gave simple instructions for dealing with the men, women, children, cattle, gold, silver, etc; the possessions of the Canaanites. They were to be destroyed(people and animals) or taken for the inheritance(gold, silver, precious jewels, etc.) of the tribes once they possessed the land.
There were tribes which made evil covenants with the Canaanite cities or they failed to drive them out of the land completely. They kept them and lived among them for slaves. Israel paid for this later for not completely following the command of the Lord. Israel never fully reached their full boundaries set forth by Moses and Joshua because of this failure to follow fully, the commands of the Lord.
The bottom line is, G_d has no use for prisoners. Prison was man's creation and not of G_d. If you tolerate fags, profainers of G_d, haters of the Truth, and false teachers, you too, will not possess the promises of G_d. G_d's plan is restitution and death for sin. Restitution equals restoration.
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ACNR/Dolly -- tamarisk, 10:33:04 11/04/02 Mon
Snickers from the Christian Women's board on Voy, posted by BFAKE the PFAKE:
"That board belongs to her guru, "Tamarisk," although he denies ownership of it. Funny thing though, when Voy was having all those problems a couple of months ago and they could not get on their old board, Tamarisk opened the one at "/100752/" and told everyone that was where they would post until the old board was fixed.
That board used to didn't be on password. I guess they got tired of me posting refutations to their slander, lies, libel, misrepresentations, etc., because shortly after I began refuting them on that "board," they put it on password mode so that you have to have a password to post."
Jackals, I suggest you contact the "forum administrator" for the truth. I DO NOT operate this forum. The "forum administrator" thought it was easier from a controls standpoint to open a new board and set a password to post.
I operate a forum on Delphi dedicated to The Christian Resistance movement in AmeriKa. It was established for the express purpose to give place for Fundamental, Bible Believing Baptists, KJV only, a place to post articles, news and for fellowship. Also a place for Baptist missionaries around the world to post ministry related news items. You do NOT have to worry about being a part of the Christian Resistance movement in AmeriKa. You are bought and paid for.
I seriously doubt I'm Sola's "guru." Certainly not in the sense you are to Mondo, Gerald, Dorito, Pastor Scottie, etc. I greatly enjoy the KJV and shun other bible versions. I have found only a handful of people I would trust with an NIV, NKJV, etc. Some people have strong doctrine in spite of the errors in modern versions.
You may use a Dake KJV bible Jackals, but, is it copyrighted material? The text of the KJV can never be copyrighted, can it? Your Dake commentary, however, is protected by copyright laws. Dake is no Matthew Henry.
Well, lettuce see. This forum, according to Jackals has been operated by ACNR, Edward Adams, Sola, Dolly, The Bilderburgers, The CFR, The Blue Lodge of Freemasonry, The Eagles/Elks/Moose, etc., JFK, JFK Jr, Marion Berry, The Pope of Roman Catholicism, The Dali Lama of Tibetian Buddhism. Jackals lighthouse must be on the fritz. Oops, he's been resurrected to run for congress from Minnesota.
Guess when the lighthouse goes out, the devilations become foggy, bleak and dim.
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Dingy Hawaiian Jack-0 is one very confused Bubba -- Dolly, 11:28:25 11/04/02 Mon
Good un! LOL! Guess when the lighthouse goes out, the devilations become foggy, bleak and dim.
Yah, or the way it seems to me - - - that when the lighthouse goes out; - - -
a dingy returns!
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To The TWO Mamma's Sugar Teat Boys -- Ye Shall Know The Truth and The TRUTH Shall Make Ye Mad, 05:50:43 11/04/02 Mon
SALVATION THE BIBLE WAY IS NOT A DAKIAN "PROCESS" IT IS FINISHED!
Silly Jackals likes to puff himself up and pretend to be a very important bishop on the internet. Wink. Wink. He operates out of his mother’s house and a Post Office Box front sham. Gotcha Jack! FOFL&L&L! Ye Shall Know The Truth and The TRUTH Shall Make Ye Mad.
You and your lost little drummer-boy, friend, seem confused. It is not “slander” if it's true. Like a typical pair of rudder-less false religionists with no compass or G-dly measurements; our private forum seems to cloud your judgement to the fact that Flappy Jack has his own private places. Do we look like WE care??? Ya’ll just get your panties in a twist because no one ever reads any of them and Jack talks to himself. You need to grow up, become productive males in society. There comes a time in every middle-aged male's life when he needs to have the courage to cut the apron strings and get a life away from your mamma’s titties.
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PFAKE Bishops - And - PFAKE Ministries Like The Emporer's New Clothes! -- Sola Scriptura, 23:13:23 09/22/02 Sun
”Subject: Also, Sola Can't Seem To Get It In Her Head That.....
Author: Rev. Jack Howell
Date Posted: 04:21:25 09/22/02 Sun
“I am not the creator of the PFAI website, and she insists on blaming me for certain segments of the site.”
Ah, Yes! The ever gracious bishop howell. It seems that the Rt. Rev. covets the title bestowed on him by PFAI, (really it was a fiat between he and a friend. wink wink) but for some reason he has contempt for the accompanying responsibilities of his position.
Who is the Rt Rev and what is the basis for one to place the responsibility of PFAI’s website squarely on the shoulders of the Rt Rev, thus holding him accountable for it’s CONTENT?
Under the largest photo portrait on the site it reads:
Our Bishop
The Rev. Jack Howell, Bishop, Director of Revealed Truth Ministries in Oklahoma City, OK, and PFAI State Presbyter of Oklahoma
From PFAI’s “Constitution: Article 3 – Management”
The management of this Association - Spiritual, Religious, Educational and Temporal - shall rest in the divinely called and duly consecrated Bishop.
“Article 7 – Finances….. All moneys shall be administered by the Bishop.””
“Article 8 – Property…….All property of the Pentecostal Faith Assemblies, Inc., shall be deeded to it and held in its name. No property of this organization shall be sold, mortgaged, leased, rented or given away without the same shall be approved by the Bishop”.
Once again WHO is directly accountable for administering PFAI’s management according to PFAI’s own “Constitution”? It’s “bishop!” Thank you.
LIKE THE OLD SAYING GOES: A DEAD FISH ALWAYS ROTS FROM THE HEAD
Rt Rev continues: ” Since she (Sola Scriptura) is not connected with PFAI, or the website in any way, shape, or form, she has no business attacking me over it! That is pure childishness and reveals a very immature person!”
No Rt. Rev. No one has “attacked you.” So cut the drama mamma. Nor is there anything childish or immature about it. Why are you so defensive about the way rou administer PFAI? The failures discussed in the post are just one more way of drawing attention to, and demonstrating the erroneous nature of both you and PFAKE Ministries of Moore, Oklahoma, USA.
On your “This Week’s Sermon” page you have listed “coming soon” for perhaps as long as two years, or more. You HAVE on the other hand had all the time in the world to begin a new endeavor dedicated to your revenge by attacking your enemies. You have had available time to begin a NEW website that is dedicated solely to the purpose of gossiping and maligning others who point out your unsuitability as a minister. It shows that the time IS IN FACT AVAILABLE in your “busy” schedule, (and a re-post of the amount of time you spend cut and pasting plagiarized copy from others work effort WILL PROVE WHERE YOUR TIME IS SPENT!); This just further solidifies the fact that you are unsuitable for your position and wear the billowy flowing scarlet robes and sit in the front row…..BUT you have no accountability. Nor do you have any CALLING.
Think about how much time the internet whore could save if he stopped referencing himself as “reverend” OR stopping adding such verbose appellations to his signatures as:
The Rev. Jack Howell, Bishop, Director of Revealed Truth Ministries in Oklahoma City, OK, and PFAI State Presbyter of Oklahoma
You outta try it some time Rt. Rev. Humility just isn’t yer style is it Mr. The Rev. Jack Howell, Bishop, Director of Revealed Truth Ministries in Oklahoma City, OK, and PFAI State Presbyter of Oklahoma?
he is puffed up;
his desires are not upright-
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PFAKE Bishops - PFAKE Ministries - 1Timothy 1:6 a spiritual counterfeits with NO CHURCH, -- Exposing Vain Janglers, 22:37:15 11/03/02 Sun
That like to pretend to be important bishops on the internet.
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Hyperbole Aside I DO Believe In My Heart That Jack Howell Is Too Demented To Grasp This: -- Sola Scriptura, 08:23:50 10/08/02 Tue
Hyperbole Aside I DO Believe In My Heart That Jack Howell Is Too Demented To Grasp This:
You are one undiscerning counterfeit.
It is very easily provable, but the problem with you jack is that you hate the LIGHT. Prove it. Put up or shut up!
You are a stalker, harasser, and slanderer.
I have NEVER posted at doris' that is a FACT, bub. NEVER! Not a single time. Zip zero nada!
Doris and VOY can prove that too! But you don't want the TRUTH. The Truth has no place in your agenda, does it?
Slander is second nature to you and you have become numb to it and it's meaning before a Holy and Righteous God.
You lie so much that it has become a comfort zone for you and just like the end time apostate church of which you belong, lying is your nature and every one with any Godly Wisdom knows you are scoundrel and liar!
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Jack Howell Calls Roman Catholicism A BIG LIE! He's NOT Your Friend Dori -- Booda, 10:10:08 10/08/02 Tue
Jack Posting at a WOMEN's Forum that has repeatedly requested he NOT POST at.....(hint: smell the coffee, dori)
Subject: Re: Hey Jack! - Willie T really rang your bell, didn't he?
Author:Rev. Jack Howell
Date Posted: 02:39:44 10/08/02 Tue
In reply to: jingle jingle jingle go the bells on his toes....the folly of a FOOL! 's message, "Re: Hey Jack! - Willie T really rang your bell, didn't he?" on 02:39:44 10/08/02 Tue
"Nah, the impostor did no such thing. He preferred his/her man-made traditions over the inspired Scriptures, the Greek text, and factual accounts of church history, much as the ancient Pharisees did. Not surprising since the scriptures state that in the last days, some would prefer the lie over the truth. Fact is, there were women apostles in the early church and APOSTATE Christianity tried to cover it up in the 12 century A.D., so you are actually buying into the Roman Catholic lie that there were no women apostles. If you want to follow after Catholicism, that is your business. "
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Jack Howell Calls Roman Catholicism A BIG LIE! He's NOT Your Friend Dori -- he just avails himself of dori's forum and uses her, 21:48:59 11/02/02 Sat
"I have written 95 points against the catholic church" claims Bishop Me of Moore. Actually it is another one of his lies because it is a cut and paste.
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Some Woman Had The Gall To Suggest I was "A Bit Too Old To Trick-or-Treat" -- THE Rev. Jack Howells, 16:43:36 11/01/02 Fri
HOLY SYNOD! Did I ever look Beatitude in my flowing distinctive clerical garb last night! Purple is my fashion basic.
They vidio-taped my lecture at our local TBN affliate on “Pastoral and Psychological Dimensions of the Bishop's garb.”
Can any Christian legitimately assert that these distinctive ecclesiastical vestments
or garb I flaunt aren't simply "to die for?"
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Dolly -- tamarisk, 12:06:20 11/01/02 Fri
Had to laugh at the dietary conversation by GellyB and Lilith. I tink we had this conversation before. The key is to GIVE UP processed foods of all kinds. No processed flours, sugars, etc. That is what spikes your insulin to dangerous levels. The sugar sticks to the blood platelets when the sugar levels go too high. This is what makes diabetics predisposed to heart and organ failure, and other problems.
You can gage this by the "crash" you feel after you eat these processed foods. You feel sleepy and tired, having no energy.
This can be overcome by eating good, G_d given foods. Lotza veggies and fruits, cooked whole grains. There is something to be said about that steamy hot bowl of oatmeal each morning. The key is eat lots of deep sea fish, high in Omega 3, fatty acids. I supplement with daily doses of Cod Liver Oil gelcaps and Vitamin E. These are a hedge of protection just in case you do crave those processed things.
White rice is as bad as processed white flour. Potatoes are not that great either but, at least, there is veggie fiber there. Try lowfat milk and yogurt,too!
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This is Humorous From the Internet Whore: Rev. Churchless Head -- Door of Whittington, 04:35:01 11/01/02 Fri
"Author:Rev. Jack Howell
Date Posted: 17:22:37 10/29/02 Tue
Subject: Yea, They Got The Server Fixed!
Has anyone notified Dori that her board is fixed? "
The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?"
Satan answered the LORD , "From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it."
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The LORD said to Rev. Beezle-bubba, "Where have you come from?"
Satan's son answered the LORD , "From roaming through the world wide web and going back and forth in it."
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ACNR/Dolly/Bethany -- tamarisk, 10:03:09 10/30/02 Wed
dori
In Response To Coinky
Wednesday October 30, 2002 at 9:31
"My forum died. I had two guest moderators watching it for me when I went to Atlanta and I guess there was too much fussing at the controls. We contacted Voy Forums for help and never heard from them. No big deal. It was seldom visited for discussions of anything of merit and I no longer have the time to post much at forums. This started out my only forum and it has become nearly my only forum once again."
Guess RCC apologist sites have about as much appeal as PFAKE ones. Wonder if she ever gave BFAKE the PFAKE the URL'S he kept ranting about?
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Re: ACNR/Dolly/Bethany/Tamarisk -- LOL, 19:59:12 10/30/02 Wed
Looks like Jack is a church-less HEAD and dori is now joined the ranks of a forum-less moderator.
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Speaking of PFARCE & Divine Comedy...... -- Another PFAKE Gimmick EXPOSED!, 21:20:53 10/29/02 Tue
Everyone has heard of a HEAD-LESS Church.......
THE "Reverend" Jack Howell of Moore, Oklahoma, Is a....
CHURCH-LESS HEAD. wink. wink.
FOFLMCBO
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The Emperor's New Clothes Are On Fire - OR, God as the divine comedian -- Always a New Gimmick With the PFAKE & Dakites, 10:04:04 10/29/02 Tue
“If we quit giving you new revelations, we’re dead.” 1 Claims Benny Hinn another Dake heretic like Jack Howell.
“I’m sick and tired of hearing about streets of gold [in heaven]. I don’t need gold in heaven, I’ve got to have it now.” 2 Also from the words of Benny Hinn, a teacher of Finis Dake like Jack Howell.
Charismatic extremists keep reinventing God. Rodney Howard-Browne painted God as the divine comedian always ready to give His people belly laughs and hysteria.3
John Wimber who is recommended on sites and links connected with PFAKE heretic Howell, picturedGod as a sumo wrestler poised to knock His people around at a moment’s notice.
Always a gimmick with these persons. Schtick. Something cute. Always deviating from sound biblical teaching!
Then there was the bunch from Brownsville Assembly of God in Pensacola, Fla., who recast God as a raging river ready to knock people off their feet, dribble them like a human basketball, and sweep them into trance states and memory loss.4 The field got crowded with competing claims.
Faith healer Benny Hinn also recently resurrected the old fire theme and claims this really is of God.5 So now its “God the fireman” — a celestial pyrotechnician, if you will.
At the Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship (formerly the Toronto Airport Vineyard church), at least for awhile, God was a heavenly zoo keeper who delighted in hearing the barks, grunts, roaring, crowing and howling of His people, or so we were told.6
In his book, The Father’s Blessing, Toronto pastor John Arnott devoted a whole chapter to animal noises and manifestations. He called it, “The Prophetic: Animal Sounds And Insights.” How anyone could be straight-faced and shameless about these things is a mystery to me.But Re.Rev. Jack Howellween and his band of merry band of ice cream scarfers seem never at a loss to invent new gimmicks and complicated mazes of theology, compliments of Dake's Annotated Dribble.
But the old scenarios get routine and threadbare and new drawing cards are needed. Some believe that John Arnott and the Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship leadership may have invented the latest draw in an attempt to bring waning crowds back to Canada and reestablish it as the undisputed Mecca and pilgrimage spot for sign-seekers and thrill-chasers. With Pensacola, Smithton (Mo.), and other “power centers” springing up, the competition is fierce. Jack Howell is involved with his own "Power" center. One resists the temptation to say it is his belly!
Now Toronto has announced “the latest move of God.” It has to do with claims that God is giving some fortunate people new gold fillings and gold crowns by miraculous means. However, the new “gold rush” is not so new, as we will see. It is an old scenario and has been linked to heresy, con artists and false teaching in the past. It is heartless for anyone to be involved with such tacky claims.
taken from these sources:
1. Benny Hinn, Praise the Lord Show, Trinity Broadcasting Network, Dec. 9, 1990.
2. Benny Hinn, Praise the Lord Show, Trinity Broadcasting Network, Nov. 9, 1990.
3. See The Quarterly Journal, “A Look at Spiritual Pandemonium — The Strange Views of Rodney M. Howard Browne,” Vol. 14, No. 4.
4. See The Quarterly Journal, “The Murky River of Brownsville — The Strange Doctrine and Practice of the Pensacola Revival,” Vol. 17, No. 2.
5. See The Quarterly Journal, “Is Benny Hinn’s ‘Fire’ Anointing Really Just the Emperor’s New Clothes?”, Vol. 19, No. 2.
6. See The Quarterly Journal, “The Animalization of Christianity — Chaos in the Vineyard,” Vol. 15, No. 2.
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Re: The Emperor's New Clothes Are On Fire - OR, God as the divine comedian -- tamarisk, 14:24:32 10/29/02 Tue
Hear tis an interesting link:
http://www.dake.com/friends.html
Friends of Dake?? lol!!!
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SALVATION THE BIBLE WAY IS NOT A DAKIAN "PROCESS" -- IT IS FINISHED!!!, 10:13:44 10/29/02 Tue
SALVATION THE BIBLE WAY
Salvation is the "saving" of a sinner from the righteous judgment of God. Period!
It is a finished work done by our savior on the CROSS. IT IS FINISHED!
It is NOT a "process" as described by Jack Howell and cut and pasted from his devil’s book called the Dake annotated Bible used by WOF-ers. It is man’s arrogance to presume upon the Cross that man may in some way ADD to that prophesied completed work!
Salvation is a completed act; it is a done deal. We may either accept it or decline it according to the free will given us by a righteous G-D. It is NOT something we can add to or improve on! There are NOT multiple "redemptive ACTS" as stated by PFAKE and Dake. There is ONE act. It was nailed to the Cross. It is a completed act. To suggest otherwise is the desperate act of Satan and the teaching of CULTS! Jesus-Plus doctrine is highly offensive and a stench in the nostrils of a righteous G-D!
When someone appeals to God and seeks forgiveness in Jesus, his sins are forgiven. He is cleansed. His relationship with God is restored, and he is made a new creature (2 Cor. 5:17).
All of this is the work of God, not man. Salvation is a free gift (Rom. 6:23).
We are saved from damnation. When anyone sins, and we all have (Rom. 3:23; 6:23), he deserves eternal separation from God (Isaiah 59:2).
Yet, because of His love and mercy, God became a man (John 1:1,14 ) and bore the sins of the world in His body on the cross (1 Pet. 2:24; 1 John 2:2).
We are forgiven when we realize that there is nothing we can do to earn the favor of God and we put our trust in what Jesus did for us on the cross (Eph. 2:8-9; 1 Cor. 15:1-4). Only God saves. The only thing we bring to the cross is our sin.
Both God the Father (Isaiah 14:21) and Jesus (John 4:42) are called Savior; that is, deliverer from sin. Remember, it was the Father who sent the Son (1 John 4:10) to be the Savior.
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ACNR/Dolly/Bethany -- tamarisk, 07:22:00 10/29/02 Tue
From the R1D2/Kumbaya/Pacadorian Klatch
~Margaret~
In Response To Coinkydink
Monday October 28, 2002 at 10:14
After Pentecost, the rules changed,
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. [Heb 7:12]
[Careful Mags--According to vs 11-12, the Law did not produce the levitical priesthood; but the priesthood required the Law. Remember this when you try to pervert Acts 2:38 to try and make people believe water baptism with evidence of speaking in tongues equates to salvation.]
because the Gospel (plan of salvation) was given to the Gentiles and they did hear it.
And in His name shall the Gentiles trust. [Matthew 12:21]
[Then, there are those of the Pentecostal/Vineyard-Lighthouse Movements who not only heard but perverted His plan of salvation.}
The rules of priestly duties changed, because there is only one High Priest, Jesus, and sons of Jesus can boldly approach the throne without condemnation. Nevertheless, God's opinion about abominations did not change. He detests homosexuality, adultery, breaking covenants. Our conduct is greatly influenced by our fashion, attitude, spirit, ignorance, etc. Jesus still wants a holy people separated unto Himself. Be ye holy for I am Holy, saith the Lord. (both testaments)
[For someone who takes the Bible so literal as yourself; i.e. you won't cut your hair out of fear for violating Scripture; only the "sons" can boldly approach Him.]
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ACNR/Dolly/Bethany -- tamarisk, 08:43:15 10/25/02 Fri
Here we go again.
~Margaret~
In Response To Coinkydink
Friday October 25, 2002 at 9:58
"The killer verse to trinitarianism is Isaiah 9:6. If Isaiah refers to the coming Mesiah whom we assume to be Jesus, as a son/child, look at all His roles and titles:
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given.
And the government shall be upon His shoulders.
And His name shall be called, Wonderful, Counsellor [counsellor is the Holy Ghost, Comforter]
The mighty God
The everlasting Father
The Prince of Peace (another euphamism for Holy Ghost).
No way getting around Isaiah: the Son will be called the Father, THE mighty God.
Similarly, Jesus called himself the Branch, the vine, the root; the door, shepherd. He used many symbols to represent His multiple roles/ relationships to man."
What Mags fails to understand here is prophetic perfects. The prophet Isaiah speaks of Him being already born. There is a play on words here between:
child is given--Hebrew yalad--to be delivered, as in birth, and,
a son is given--Hebrew natan--the real significance of this unique Child comes in His fourfold name which is a testimony to the Triune G_d.
Wonderful, Counselor--Hebrew pele' yo'ets--actually one title in the Hebrew.
Wonder, from pele,' is from that which is miracously accomplished by G_d Himself.
The two words of this title may be rendered "a wonderful counsellor" or " a wonderful counselor." The term "counselor" is often used in parallel with "king," so that the emphasis here implies that of G_d-like counsel of a G_d like King.
The mighty G_d--Hebrew 'el gibbor--'el in Isaiah always is used of G_d and never refers to man. This is the strongest of the titles with reference to deity. Gibbor means hero.
The everlasting Father--Hebrew 'abiy'ad--means Father of Eternity. Notice the usual Hebrew word for father, abba, is NOT used here. Y'shua is indeed in Triunity with Abba G_d and the Ruach HaKodesh, The Holy Spirit of G_d. He is the Lord of eternity, as well as the Author of eternal life. He is "of old, from everlasting"(Micah 5:2).
Here we clearly see the Davidic Throne, which will be forever, is to be perserved. It will seat a ruler who Himself is Eternal! The Prince of Peace--Hebrew shar-shalom--Rather than a warring monarch, He who is the Mighty G_d will be a benevolent Father, bringing peace that will be eternally established in His kingdom.
Who's Kindgom Mags? NOT yours nor mine, but His. The rule of His Law will be peace on earth because he is the very embodiment of peace itself.
We know, from this text, of His kingdom, throne, world rule, as well of His virgin birth. More than this, we know who He is------G_d Himself incarnate!
Again Mags, Y'shua could full make the truthful claim to be fully G_d, yet fully man. Y'shua, no where in Scripture, claimed to be Abba G_d, The Father, nor the Ruach HaKodesh, The Holy Sprirt of G_d.
Your moral relativity, claiming if you are right, yule still have eternal security, in and of itself, is a doctrine of demons and from the pit of Hell.
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ACNR/Dolly/Bethany -- tamarisk, 12:59:55 10/23/02 Wed
LOL!! And another post from PP.
GerryB.
In Response To Javadoc
Tuesday October 22, 2002 at 22:48
"RE: "We should arrest and detain any 'Right to Life' group because those members like to blow up abortion clinics."
That is not right. Right to life activists of which I am one are not the problem. Most of them are mothers, fathers, grandmothers and grandfathers who believe that abortion is wrong and should be outlawed. There are millions of them throughout the country who would never think of blowing up an abortion clinic or killing an abortion doctor. Their main thing in demonstrating is to educate the public as to the issues like abortion is the killing of a human life."
GellyB, you would not last long protesting out front of a baby killing center. It wouldn't be too long before you would be marching around in a circle with the RC's, praying the Rosary, holding an 8' cross with Jesus still affixed.
For the record. My position is one of a populist--for the people. Having spent years protesting out front of those bloody execution chambers of evil, I believe the occupants should be dragged out, kicking and screaming if necessary, and the "clinics" be burned to the ground.
The baby rapers should be brought before a court of Common Law, a real court of the people for trial before 12 real men. This is in great contrast to the whorish court system of today. The 12 men are sworn in on the Holy Bible as an oath to do godly duty for justice. BTW--these men should come loaded and locked, ready to carry out justice should the verdict be rendered guilty. His only appeal will be standing before Almighty G_d, in judgment.
This kind of court is free, quick and immediate. Again, a marked contrast to "justice" in man's court today.
GellyB, get out from amongst those Neo-Fundamentalists, fake and false Christians, and limp wristed men in pulpits who pervert Bible Truth and its justice.
Imagine, this January will mark 30 years of Roe v. Wade. With only 5% of the Church doing all the work, it is no wonder there are 60 million dead babies in AmeriKa by abortion. The blood is on the hands of those only hearing the Word and NOT DOING His Holy Word. G_d's plan for justice is restitution or death. NOT COMPROMISE.
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ACNR/Dolly/Bethany -- tamarisk, 08:17:39 10/23/02 Wed
Had to laugh at this post from Lilith at R1D2.
*Coinkydink
In Response To Margaret
Tuesday October 22, 2002 at 22:41
"Actually I don't believe Jesus was God because he denied that he was and if you ask me to list the scriptures to prove that i can do it, but it will have to be tomorrow. No time tonight. He had nothing to do with writing any of the scripture including the NT.
My source of info on the Hebrew Bible was my bible classes at Moody Bible Institute... take up your argument with them."
Charles Moody must be turning over in his grave at the fact the institution carrying his name has become so dumbed down, liberal. Just like the majority of "bible colleges" today, they are hotbeds for liberalism, rank duplicity, moral relativity and situational ethics. If ol' Lil' was on Wheel of Fortune with $5000 in her till, she still couldn't buy a clue. Eoith to Lilith, the Hebrew Bible proves the fact that HaShem Y'shua HaMechiach is full G_d and fully man. You must search the Scriptures and ask these questions:
1. Did Y'shua "fill" or "fulfill" the Torah?
2. Who has the authority to determine Halakhah?(Jewish Law)
3. Does Mechiach(The Messiah) bring Torah to an end, or is He its goal?
4. What is the difference between "Works of the Law" and "Under the Law?"
Your brand of Replacement Theology doesn't wash.
I have been out studying the propositions on the upcoming ballot for electoral consideration. About six have promises for increased funding for education. But, in my research, there are so many loopholes, the public "fool" system will never get much monies. It is up to the legislature of Arizona state to "fix" the funding problems.
Of course, the loca de cabaza "fool" systems, along with teacher, creature unions have backed these proposals. After carefully considering all the propositions, I am voting NO on all of them.
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The Un-Clean Spirit Entered Jack Howell on October 23rd, 1955 and Taken Up Residence -- Sola Scriptura's Observations, 21:49:25 10/13/02 Sun
It seems everyone is dealing with Serpent Egg. Take a look:
Author: Rev. Jack Howell
In reply to: Char
Char: "Jack is NOT over a flock nor has God allowed him to get to a place of teaching after all these years."
(Jack responds)”This is but one of many examples of Char not knowing what she is talking about. God has placed me over a flock, and that flock is known as Pentecostal Faith Assemblies, Inc and I most certainly have "a place of teaching" as she puts it. I minister on a regular basis at Friendship Baptist Church in Ponca City, Oklahoma, which is a Spirit-filled Independent Baptist Church. Since I am also Bishop over PFAI, that means I am Pastor to the Pastors in our fellowship. I recently received a card from one of our affiliate Pastors, named Scottie Jackson, who Pastors River of Life Pentecostal Church in Colonial Beach, Virginia, and here is a note that he included in the card that blessed me:
"Thanks for being "my" (emphasis his) Pastor. Blessings, Brother Scottie."
“Char knows full well that I am over PFAI and has tried many times to have that brought to an end with numerous false accusations in emails to Dr. Mike Kear, former Bishop of PFAI. Dr. Mike knew her claims and accusations to be false and had to threaten her with legal action if she did not cease emailing him, and would always forward her emails to me so I would know what she was up to.
Oh, by the way Char, very, very soon I will be in full-time ministry with PFAI. Hmmm...So much for her claim above!”
"very, very soon I will be in full-time ministry with PFAI.?????" Let me guess! Since Jack has been on the web 24/7 and hasn’t been at work for nearly three weeks it could mean TRANSLATION: He got canned! In his fantasyland, that means "full time ministry" LOL!
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Author:
Scottie Jackson
Date Posted: 18:43:47 10/13/02 Sun
Subject: Jack Howell....I was advised that you have been harassing people on the internet again and demand you stop
“Jack, we have had it with you continuing to fraudulently use my name as a good reference of your character.
We kicked you out of church because of your uncontrolled obsessions and misrepresentations of yourself and the church.
If you have any decency in you whatsoever, you will repent of your wickedness and confess that you are morally bankrupt, then plead to God for mercy.
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AND THIS FROM SCOTTIE:
Subject: good people, I apologize for not being able to reach Jack before he began his harassments again
Author:
Scottie Jackson
Date Posted: 18:49:45 10/13/02 Sun
”No matter what Jack says, he has no connection to me, never has really, except to use my name for a reference without my permission.
Jack has been barred from church and any associations that he may claim. Unfortunately, Jack is a very disturbed man. We tried to help him, but his foolish arrogant pride wouldn't allow him to accept help and has been his downfall.
If Jack continues to use my name as a reference, please disregard anything he says as the ramblings of a sick man.
Thank you all.”
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Someone named "Sam" said this about Jack's attacking persons on this board:
Date Posted: 11:34:16 08/11/02 Sun
Author: Sam
Author Host/IP: 65.239.181.159
Subject: So much of your life is here...
In reply to: Rev. Jack Howell 's message, "Heresy Hunters Exposed!" on 11:34:16 08/11/02 Sun
"Do you have a "real world" out there somewhere? You know, a place for sharing the Love of God instead of Wrath of God? Sony said you used to be very kind when chatting, now you are just mean and spiteful.
Sony told me lots of things, Jack. You are an evil, vindictive little man with no redeeming qualities and no value to God's Kingdom. You are, however, doing well for satan."
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Re: The Un-Clean Spirit Entered Jack Howell on October 23rd, 1955 and Taken Up Residence -- Sola Scriptura, 22:18:23 10/13/02 Sun
Serpent Egg up to his usual manipulations and games:
http://bb.bbboy.net/revealedtruthministries-viewthread?forum=11&thread=7
SCROLL TO BOTTOM:
"Welcome Pastor Scottie Jackson!
PFAI has a new affiliate member! Please welcome Pastor Scottie and Darlene Jackson of River of Life Pentecostal Church! You can check out his website at: www.riveroflifepc.org
[Edited By revjackhowell at 14:34:42 Sat Aug 24 2002]
(Scottie's Church ): http://www.riveroflifepc.org/
Jack has deleted all records of interaction between Scottie and others for the next two months that occurred beyond this date. According to other info. On his counters that he failed to erase, Jack deleted files for almost 500 posts and their records have been expunged. He deleted much of this post and all interaction between this "Scottie" and others are gone when you attempt to retrieve them.
Last time this was pointed out, he re-instated them and called me a liar. I am not the only one this is from another site: ” What happened between August and October? - BelleMere 23:21:19 10/13/02 (0)”
THE NAME OF THE SITE? –“REVEALED TRUTH MINISTRIES”
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Re: The Un-Clean Spirit Entered Jack Howell on October 23rd, 1955 and Taken Up Residence -- ....IT invited 7 MORE Un-Clean spirits & They things, 22:49:39 10/13/02 Sun
HEY! Jack Those "Police" never came to "get" us. We all still have our servers. and Jay Selulow's group hasn't put us in jail or attached our bank accounts.....FANCY THAT. LOL&L&L&L! YOU FRAUD!
FROM: REV AND WOG TALK http://www.eboards4all.com/049389/index.html
"Everyone: if Jack Howell references me in any way, disregard anything he says...
Posted by Scottie Jackson on October 13, 2002 at 22:40:19:
Jack Howell is no minister. He has used my name as a reference in the past in one of his many deluded claims without permission.
Jack knows he is using my name against my wishes, for I and all my associates distances ourselves from Jack and his schemes a very long time ago."
NOTE: To Scottie Jackson: You may wish to remove PFAI from your links page. It would facilitate your credibility. If yuz knows whats I meenz regarding your association with Jack Howell. Keep looking up!
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Re: The Un-Clean Spirit Entered Jack Howell on October 23rd, 1955 and Taken Up Residence -- tamarisk, 12:24:14 10/14/02 Mon
Witch is prolly why he has to drive around 115 miles to the north to go to church. Must be hard to find a "Spirit-Filled Baptist Church" in the OKC area.
This Scottie Jackson needs to do more than delete the PFAI link in his links page. The Promise Keepers link is most telling, too!
Pentecostal boyds of a feather, flock together. ;)
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Re: The Un-Clean Spirit Entered Jack Howell on October 23rd, 1955 and Taken Up Residence -- IMO, 06:13:20 10/23/02 Wed
they are both of the devil IMO
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PFAI Vanity of Vanities - Let's Examine Their Website's Deceptive Presentation -- Someone's Perspective, 22:21:00 10/14/02 Mon
PFAI Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
Let’s just examine how deceptive Jack Howell is and how he can not even be trusted with two simple sentences.
“This association ordained me bishop!!!!” claims Jack Howell.
Well, not exactly according to previous posts of his so which do we believe?
FACTS: Jack and the previous “bishop” (Kear?) “prayed about it and decided to ordain me bishop.” That was his previous account. I don’t think PFAI has ever been much of anything except a shell. Their web site has pages that say “under construction” or “Coming Soon!” that have been empty for years!
But the simple version doesn’t drag as much weight as :“This same association ordained me to be their new Bishop”
IT’S MEANINGLESS! Absolutely meaningless. Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity. As an example, compare the qualifications with Assemblies’ of God’s requirements for even youth pastors, much less a Bishop! Jack has never pastured a congregation or even had a youth group for all I know. How does one make the giant leap from never having run a church, not married, to suddenly becoming a Bishop after one prayer?
Then Jack Howell says this: ”I recently affiliated my ministry with Pentecostal Faith Assemblies, Inc.,”
What does “I recently affiliated my ministry.” Mean? He never HAD a legitimate ministry. This is not to suggest I believe there are not “ministries” outside the church, proper. But Jack is in chat rooms all day stirring trouble and strife. According to those who know him, this has been at least a four year pattern! He has no true ministry that served Christ and Edified Jesus.
It’s a bunch of meaningless words. PFAI is a game to make Jack FEEL important. Jack IS PFAI. The “bishop” of what ever pre-existed of PFAI is the one who basically said “tag, you’re next, old chap!” according to the past conversations of Jack Howells. Anyone can determine there is little more to it than that. Jack began sputtering when confronted with that fact. Jack recently claimed that he got an article in the newspaper. Announcements are routinely PAID for and purchased. Paid announcements, weddings, graduations, etc is one of the ways newspapers survive. Especially in a small town local paper….so what? That as much as he tried to puff it, is meaningless. Everything is meaningless, or as Solomon said; Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
Then Jack sounds very important: ” headquarted in Ponca City, Oklahoma
(now headquartered in Moore, Oklahoma). ”
WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS: “(WAS) head quartered in…….”
READY FOR THIS???? It used to be a post office BOX, for goodness sakes! - THAT’S A FACT!
So, now that you are getting the swing of how Jack Howell OPERATES;………
GUESS WHAT THIS MEANS?????
”it is (now headquartered in Moore Oklahoma).”
YOU GUESSED IT!!!! Jack Howell switched it from a post office box in PONCA OKLAHOMA……TO …….TA DA!!!! THE POST OFFICE BOX IN MOORE, OKLAHOMA!
That’s Bishop Jack-Speak for “Headquartered.”
“HEADQUARTED IN…….blah….blah……blah!” sounds much more official and of worldly importance to unsuspecting parties he is trying to solicit, or into thinking that he is a legitimate ministry.
“RECENTLY I AFFILIATED MY MINISTRY…..”
What “ministry?????” He doesn’t HAVE a “ministry!” It’s all make believe. A bunch of smoke talk just like his ”HEAD QUARTERS!” Jack spends every free waking hour pounding on the chat rooms telling people he is going to sue them! The logs prove this!
How did Jack Howell’s “ministry” (LOL&L&L&L)….. spend his weekend??? Everyone was witness to this one! Look at the spam records some have archived for the other Sundays.
Jack Howell’s “ministry” was spewing out some 300 plagiarized CUT AND PASTEs THAT HE STOLE FROM OTHER AUTHOR’S WORK PRODUCT in violation of the law and obsessively cranked them out like a possessed Mad Hatter! Is THAT how he spends his resources? It that the “ministry’s fruit? How can anyone avoid the obvious that this is a fake “ministry”? Or at least that it is not of Christ. Jack spends Sunday mornings in his bedroom at his parents house where he lives, glued to the computer screen, slandering others, calling nasty names, and posting right at VOY’s one post per minute maximum limit; one plagiarized ditty after another, as he cut and pasted copyrighted material for some entire weekends. THAT IS HIS MINISTRIE’S FRUIT! An angry spiteful man Banging his personal vendettas on the computer and archiving his and everyone’s posts for hours on end. That is one very pathetic delusional man. Imagine the hours it must take him just to archive this stuff so he can threaten brothers and sisters that cross him.
He HAS NO CHURCH! HE NEVER HAD A CHURCH! It is obscene! It dishonors Jesus and makes a mockery of the Church and decent ministers.
WHO IS THE PFAI? It is Jack’s Fantasyland. It is a website. It is a dozen email accounts. It is a post office box. He won’t say what he does, claiming “it’s private.” Yet he asks for money (we have records). He claims God is “blessing the ministry” But won’t say how and Jack is requesting that even strangers send money. WHY? He “won’t say.” What are the goals of this “ministry?” SPECIFICALLY. He won’t say.
BUT IT’S HEAD QUARTERED in Moore, Oklahoma.
AND IT’S THE “ASSOCIATION THAT ORDAINED HIM BISHOP!”
Wink-wink.*
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Re: PFAI Vanity of Vanities - Let's Examine Their Website's Deceptive Presentation -- Not JUST "Bishop" But Over ALL Pastors of PFAI - Amazing!, 04:09:49 10/15/02 Tue
Jack Claims to be Pastor to the Pastors of Over PFAI
Do Any of These Pastors Know the Deeds of Jack Howell?
Posted By Jack Howell 14:10:05 10/13/02 Sun
……God has placed me over a flock,
and that flock is known as Pentecostal Faith Assemblies,
Inc
and I most certainly have "a place of teaching" as she puts it. I minister on a regular basis at Friendship Baptist Church in Ponca City, Oklahoma,
which is a Spirit-filled Independent Baptist Church. Since I am also Bishop over PFAI,
that means I am Pastor to the Pastors in our fellowship.
I recently received a card from one of our affiliate Pastors, named Scottie Jackson, who Pastors River of Life Pentecostal Church in Colonial Beach, Virginia, and here is a note that he included in the card that blessed me:
"Thanks for being "my" (emphasis his) Pastor. Blessings, Brother Scottie."”
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Re: PFAI Vanity of Vanities - Let's Examine Their Website's Deceptive Presentation -- 96 theses, 00:33:20 10/17/02 Thu
Jack Claims to be Pastor to the Pastors of Over PFAI
Do Any of These Pastors Know the Deeds of Jack Howell?
Posted By Jack Howell 14:10:05 10/13/02 Sun
……God has placed me over a flock,
and that flock is known as Pentecostal Faith
Assemblies,
Inc
and I most certainly have "a place of teaching" as she
puts it. I minister on a regular basis at Friendship
Baptist Church in Ponca City, Oklahoma,
which is a Spirit-filled Independent Baptist
Church. Since I am also Bishop over PFAI,
that means I am Pastor to the Pastors in our
fellowship.
I recently received a card from one of our affiliate
Pastors, named Scottie Jackson, who Pastors River of
Life Pentecostal Church in Colonial Beach, Virginia,
and here is a note that he included in the card that
blessed me:
"Thanks for being "my" (emphasis his) Pastor.
Blessings, Brother Scottie."”
Jack has never has a church like Scottie does.
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PFAI Vanity of Vanities - Let's Examine Their Website's Deceptive Presentation -- lurker, 14:46:56 10/22/02 Tue
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PFAI Vanity of Vanities - Let's Examine Their Website's Deceptive Presentation -- I think there is a Type-O in your post, 03:30:53 10/23/02 Wed
I think you meant to say.....
SATAN is lord of PFAI. SATAN directs their doctrine, guides the activities, gives them their morals and principles and gives the marching orders for their bishop’s conduct.
BISHOP HOWELLING BEEZLE-BUBBA
FISH ROTS FROM THE HEAD!
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ACNR/Dolly/Bethany -- tamarisk, 11:12:35 10/18/02 Fri
From this mornings email bag.
Hello Folks
You know, I've been thinking--again.
The news media tells of Billy Graham coming to Texas Stadium in Irving Texas and drawing large crowds. Have you ever wondered why some "preachers" draw, and most don't?
I have that figured out. I know why some religious figures control such huge audiences. We can name the large crowd gatherers one by one, and they ALL are compromisers of the faith. Every last one of them. A-L-L of them.
Are they famous? Are they well known? Do they draw large crowds? Are they well thought of by the religious? Muslims excluded of course. Do they appears on National Television Networks?
Do they have tons of money? Do they travel abroad regularly? Do they offer Sea Cruises and trips to the "Holy Land" and the Mediterranean? Are their lives ever endangered? These are all clues to look for.
[Tamarisk notes: No, they are not endangered. You'd actually have to preach the gospel on the streets, in front of abortion clinics and in prisons to be considered endangered.]
Large crowds come to see a performance and "many" get saved, over and over and over again. Hundreds. Hundreds of thousands.
Luke 13:23-24 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
Matt 7:13-14 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Did you get saved as a result of a Billy Graham crusade? Did you get saved "because of" him or "in spite" of him. (Read about him on my web site)
Now you take the God Fearing Missionary. I will. I'll support him too. Well, let's talk about him, shall we?
I know of missionaries with a "God Given" burden to do His work. I know of missionaries in the foreign field to poor to make it back home periodically. They suffer,and their loved ones back in the States also suffer. Will they ever see their son or brother again?
[I think of my good friends, the Burkes' having spent over 20 years in the South African mission field. Dittos for the Carters in China.]
The missionaries' wife? Will the parents, and brothers and sisters ever see her again? They too, have left their families to serve the living God.
Do you know what the God fearing missionary and his spouse have done? They have done Luke 18:28.
Do you know what God will do for them? God will do Luke 18:29-30.
Do missionaries ever go out in the fields on faith? Some of them do. Some of them, as they grow in faith (we are all to grow and kept growing in faith 'till we die) lose their support as they make know the truth as revealed to them by the Holy Spirit as they study to show themselves approved. (2 Tim 2:15)
Well, hush my mouth you say? I am thankful to God that these men do not hush theirs for the sake of support. Many times the going gets tough, and when it does the weak get down on their knees and pray. After awhile they become tough and the tough get going
2 Cor 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Matt 6:31-34 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
This is a hard saying, who can follow it? Some can.
Now, where was I? You wanna know why you "hardly every" hear of the "little man"? (Unpopular missionary. One who speaks God's Truth)
HE DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH FISH IN HIS BASKET.
[Remember, a sucker is a fish. A "sucker" is a follower and not a "Doer of the Word," but a hearer only. There are a great many in the Church of Today being suckered in by false teachers from Hell.]
The missionary that can count his "fish" (saved souls) on one or two hands, AND disciples them, is a hard worker. He not only sows the seed, but also tills the soil and sees to it that the seed grows.
I think all Christians that do not personally work for the Lord ought to support, in some way, those that do. This ministry does in a small way. You got a missionary in mind? Check him out. If he is of God, help support him if he needs it. Most need help. Can't think of anyone. I can. (it's not me folks) Write me and we'll talk.
The churches are falling away from the faith, folks. I know you know that. You have eyes to see and ears to hear and a mind to read, the same as I do. Some of you are "in with" the fallen away churches and flock to the compromisers of the faith once delivered to the saints.
Maybe some of you even flock to the wolves in sheep's clothing/heretics churches and crusades. (those that teach another gospel) Who are these teachers/preachers? Read my web site and my writings and you will come to the knowledge of some of them.
2 Chr 19:2 And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD.
But you are sure your heart is for the Lord?
2 Chr 19:3 Nevertheless there are good things found in thee, in that thou hast taken away the groves out of the land, and hast prepared thine heart to seek God.
Therefore is wrath STILL upon thee from before the LORD.
I can say entertain this uncertainty as the apostle Paul did in his letter to the Romans.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, "if" so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
God knows them that are His. If you be one of His, please help His workers.
Andy
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This Record Shows This Minister Spamming Forums of The Lord's Day -- "Take Back What The Devil Has Stolen?????", 20:45:52 10/14/02 Mon
We begin with Jack Howell's own words when he discusses Tamarisk posting Jack's testimony. This illustrates Jack's hypocrisy, blindness, and uneven scales. AND his breaking the law on the LORD's day by copyright infringement and spamming to annoy forum participants.
”Another Example of Dishonesty!
by Jack Howell
posted: August 24 2002 at 8:39 AM
".......notice that though this person claimed to be posting the quote under the Fair Use section of the United States Code, this person fails to cite the code section and paragraph numbers, indicating that he/she is actually ignorant of what the code actually says and where it says it!
"What this person has done is take a copyrighted statement from a copyrighted website and under the guise of the Fair Use section of the United States Code, misrepresented the quote which is dishonest and deceptive behavior for one who claims to be "Christian." Had this person actually read the United States Code he/she would have known that such use is ILLEGAL and subjects the person to criminal and civil liabilities. Perhaps that is why they failed to cite the Section and Paragraph numbers of the pertinent part of the Code."
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Cambridge International Dictionary of English)
liar
noun [C]
a person who has just told a lie or who lies habitually
He's such a liar - you can't trust a word he says.
plagiarist
noun [C]
I was accused of being a plagiarist, but it was just a coincidence that what I wrote was like what she wrote.
© Cambridge University Press 2002
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QUESTION: BASED ON THE RECORD,
WHO IS THE REAL LIAR , HYPOCRITE , AND PLAGIARIST ........AND COUNTERFEIT CHRISTIAN????? Jack Howell, Jack Howell, Jack Howell & Jack Howell!!!!!!!!!
Cambridge International Dictionary of English)
counterfeit
verb [T]
to copy (something) exactly in order to make someone believe that the copy is the original
Two women and a man have been convicted of counterfeiting $100 bills.
Counterfeit
noun, adjective
counterfeit perfume/jewellery/passports/coins
This watch may be a counterfeit, but it looks just like the original.
counterfeiter
noun [C]
THE RECORD:
The Prayer of Faith
Rev. Jack Howell 05:04:57 09/08/02 Sun
The Prayer of Unity
Rev. Jack Howell 05:03:40 09/08/02 Sun
Take Back What The Devil Has Stolen! FOFLMFO&L&L&L
Rev. Jack Howell 05:02:29 09/08/02 Sun
How To Study The Bible
Rev. Jack Howell 04:59:58 09/08/02 Sun
The Necessity of Prayer
Rev. Jack Howell 04:58:36 09/08/02 Sun
Asking Gets Answers
Rev. Jack Howell 04:57:22 09/08/02 Sun
Intercessory Prayer
Rev. Jack Howell 04:55:53 09/08/02 Sun
Fasting
Rev. Jack Howell 04:54:36 09/08/02 Sun
7 Reasons Why Faith Is Important
Rev. Jack Howell 04:53:24 09/08/02 Sun
How To Operate In Faith
Rev. Jack Howell 04:51:57 09/08/02 Sun
Guidance
Rev. Jack Howell 04:50:32 09/08/02 Sun
Healing
Rev. Jack Howell 04:49:08 09/08/02 Sun
The Power of Praising God
Rev. Jack Howell 04:47:39 09/08/02 Sun
Worship
Rev. Jack Howell 04:46:07 09/08/02 Sun
Tithes and Offerings
Rev. Jack Howell 04:44:55 09/08/02 Sun
Evangelism
Rev. Jack Howell 04:43:14 09/08/02 Sun
The Devil
Rev. Jack Howell 04:42:03 09/08/02 Sun
Trials and Tribulations
Rev. Jack Howell 04:40:40 09/08/02 Sun
Overcoming Sin
Rev. Jack Howell 04:39:17 09/08/02 Sun
God's Forgiveness
Rev. Jack Howell 04:38:12 09/08/02 Sun
End-Time Events (Part 1)
Rev. Jack Howell 04:36:33 09/08/02 Sun
End-Time Events (Part 2)
Rev. Jack Howell 04:35:10 09/08/02 Sun
Eternal States
Rev. Jack Howell 04:33:51 09/08/02 Sun
Basics For Believers - Lesson 1: Being Born Again
Rev. Jack Howell 04:31:48 09/08/02 Sun
Basics For Believers - Lesson 2: Assurance of Salvation
Rev. Jack Howell 04:29:59 09/08/02 Sun
Basics For Believers - Lesson 3: Christ's Death For Us
Rev. Jack Howell 04:28:18 09/08/02 Sun
Basics For Believers - Lesson 4: Water Baptism
Rev. Jack Howell 04:26:23 09/08/02 Sun
Basics For Believers - Lesson 5: Baptism With The Holy Ghost
Rev. Jack Howell 04:24:59 09/08/02 Sun
Basics For Believers - Lesson 6: Speaking In Tongues
Rev. Jack Howell 04:23:02 09/08/02 Sun
Basics For Believers - Lesson 7: The Local Church
Rev. Jack Howell 04:21:25 09/08/02 Sun
Basics For Believers - Lesson 8: Communion
Rev. Jack Howell 04:20:01 09/08/02 Sun
Basics For Believers - Lesson 9: Understanding The Trinity
Rev. Jack Howell 04:18:27 09/08/02 Sun
The Deity of Jesus Christ According To The Scriptures
Rev. Jack Howell 05:52:23 09/08/02 Sun
Jesus - Created or Creator?
Rev. Jack Howell 05:50:59 09/08/02 Sun
Is Jesus Michael The Archangel?
Rev. Jack Howell 05:48:32 09/08/02 Sun
The Judgment Seat of Christ
Rev. Jack Howell 05:41:04 09/08/02 Sun
Some Things Christians Must Realize Concerning The Chastening of The Lord
Rev. Jack Howell 05:39:45 09/08/02 Sun
Expect To Receive From God
Rev. Jack Howell 05:38:24 09/08/02 Sun
Rev. Jack Howell 05:37:05 09/08/02 Sun
The Power of Love
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The Benefits of Repentance
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Seeking God
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7 Stumbling Blocks To Faith and Prayer
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Steps For Operating In The Supernatural
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Trusting God
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Truth - Trust - Triumph!
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Getting An Understanding of The Things of God
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3 Essentials To Victorious Christian Living
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God's Word Overcomes Worry
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The Truth About True Worship
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What Glorifies God?
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Some Things Christians Must Realize Concerning Their Authority
Rev. Jack Howell 05:20:49 09/08/02 Sun
Having An Effective Prayer Life
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The Secret of Victory Over Sin
Rev. Jack Howell 05:17:45 09/08/02 Sun
Abraham - Promise Fulfillment By Faith
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A Study of Proverbs 10
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Our Enemies: The World, The Flesh, and the Devil
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The Benefits of Wisdom
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Casting Out Demons
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Speaking With New Tongues
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Signs of The Lord's Protection
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How To Minister Healing To The Sick
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Re: This Record Shows This Minister Spamming Forums of The Lord's Day -- tamarisk, 07:25:20 10/16/02 Wed
Of course, the Rt Rev never cites the U.S. Code to back up is statement. He cannot get past the greater issue of he and his ministry being for profit, prophet. And what internet laws is he referencing?
Can we not make the same case against Jackals in a court of law? His "testimony" belongs to the one who owns the copywrite and stands to profit, as a result.
Jackals is just a little fish in the sea. There are other, more pressing issues to consider for the Christian Church. Smallpox injections, a national ID card, etc. The great many, so called Christians, like the Rt Rev with his heretical teachings on Romans 13 and subjection to human goobermint, is of great concern. He impresses me he will be a great commander in his Neighborhood Watch/TIPS group.
Jack has prolly figured out he can spy on Christians, all the while sending information to the "authorities" concerning their "activities."
As I look around my town, is see little of remarkable service from the churches for the Lord. Oh, yule find Mormons going two by two on the streets. Yule find a pray breakfast for the upcoming London Bridge Daze, etc. What you won't find is people preaching on the streets, proclaiming the Gospel Truth that HaShem Y'shua HaMechiach, The Lord Jesus, The Messiah, is their Risen Savior and it is by Grace Alone, through Faith Alone, unto Repentance in His Glorious, Mighty Name, one is saved.
Start keying in one what Jack is NOT saying. Then, you can cut through the deception of what his is saying.
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The Posts By Someone Claiming to be "Scottie Jackson"..... -- Sola Scriptura, 01:48:26 10/15/02 Tue
Subject: It's Amazing That Your Fraudulent Email Purporting To Be From My Good Friend Pastor Scottie Jackson
Author: Rev. Jack Howell
Date Posted: 13:00:45 10/14/02 Mon
Actually shows an IP number that checks to Houston, Texas and is from Southwestern Bell Internet's DSL service, which is exactly identical to Sola's. Scottie's ISP is World Skyline.net. You're busted, Sola and this attempt to impersonate Scottie has been reported to Voy as has your fradulent email where you impersonated him again at 100752. These have also been forwarded to Southwestern Bell Internet as violations their Terms of Service. Complaints are also going to be lodged with the Houston, Texas Computer Crimes Division of the Houston Police Department, courtesy of a friend who lives in the Kingwood suburb of Houston. YOU'RE BUSTED, SOILY! Yu have broken several laws including new internet laws recently placed on the books”
The above post came from here:
http://www.voy.com/73052/
at no time has Sola Scriptura "impersonated" OR "Emailed" anyone claiming to be "Scottie Jackson!"
Jack Howell is a LIAR and there are no more genteel ways to slice this onion! He is literally HELL-BENT to cause injury to Sola Scriptura and has no moral compass in his attempts. There are no emails that I am aware like Jack's post claims. He needs to manifest one and cease the slander strife and lies. There are NO emails claiming to be from Scotty Jackson with MY IP#. Jack is making up complete lies.
I cut and paste three posts below that originated from these sites One from Jack Howell and three from a poster claiming to be "Scottie Jackson." When I copied Mr Jackson’s posts I was NOT privy to any information that would in any way suggest that the poster could have been a rouse. It is consistent with what everyone knows about Jack Howell.
http://www.voy.com/73052/
http://www.voy.com/84031/
http://www.eboards4all.com/049389/index.html
Now if someone is impersonating Rev Jackson, I would have no way of knowing that, and if I have repeated information that is incorrect I according to what was posted under his name, apologize to Rev Jackson. But Jack Howell YOU are a Gutter Viper. YOU have misrepresented me in the above post and wholly lied about the IP on your supposed "email" IF one in fact even exists.
Additionally you are violating my privacy by publishing personal information and jeopardizing my safety and I take THAT real seriously. I will tell you, prevaricating fake and disgrace to ministers of Christ. You have threatened me and slandered me till I have about reached my saturation point. I’m telling you my husband is about tired of your games as well. When Pappa is ready to pull out the check book, we will bring in all your PFAI buds in with you because you don’t have a pot to urinate in!
Now what I suggest what you do with that IP# you are publishing all over the www, is YOU try to act like an honorable enough man to hound doris to tell you is that IP# has EVER posted at her current site. The site where you are on record as having slandered my literally dozens of times claiming various posters are Me when in fact I have never posted there! And if she is truthful in her response, I demand a retraction and letters to every single agency, police department, internet server, and web master for the dozens and dozens of paper you have churned out claiming others were and copying posts that YOU FALSELY ATTRIBUTED TO ME in your zealous goal of causing personal harm to me. And YOU claim to have sent these people.
The only thing saving your fat bee-hind is my not wanting to deal with scum like you for four years to the tune of $450.00 an hour. The only thing! And I do NOT believe Christians are to conduct their business in Baal's courst with other Christians, However, I do not believe you to be regenerated. Don't push me Jack, I say this most earnestly. You upset me today and I am angry now.
You better back off! I have had it with your liverwurst you prevaricating, Serpent Egg!! Hy husband has as well and we have the time and the money, cuppy cake.
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This Site of Jack Howells Speaks to the Issue of How Disliked He Is -- ONLY ONE Poster for a 20 Year Minister? Why is That Jack?, 03:27:34 10/15/02 Tue
FROM JACKS'S SITE Notice there is only one other poster. Is this typical of men who claim to have been registered, licensed ministers for 20 YEARS? Think about it.
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Great Apologetics Site! - Rev. Jack Howell on Oct 14, 2002, 5:50 PM
Rendering Reasonable Service (Part 1) - Rev. Jack Howell on Oct 13, 2002, 7:44 AM
Rendering Reasonable Service (Part 2) - Rev. Jack Howell on Oct 14, 2002, 6:03 AM
How To Live The Christian Life - Rev. Jack Howell on Oct 13, 2002, 8:08 AM
Essentials of The Faith or Doctrines and Traditions of Men? - Rev. Jack Howell on Oct 9, 2002, 4:55 AM
Women Apostles In The Early Church - Rev. Jack Howell on Oct 2, 2002, 2:37 PM
What Does Early Church History Say? - Rev. Jack Howell on Oct 6, 2002, 6:24 AM
What Does The Greek Text Say? - Rev. Jack Howell on Oct 6, 2002, 6:36 AM
Wow! A Modern Day Pharisee Blew A Gasket Over This! - Rev. Jack Howell on Oct 8, 2002, 4:28 AM
More Interesting Information About Heresy Hunter Hank Hannegraaf - Rev. Jack Howell on Oct 3, 2002, 6:14 PM
What Is Heresy? - Rev. Jack Howell on Oct 2, 2002, 11:02 AM
Excellent Book! - Rev. Jack Howell on Sep 30, 2002, 6:26 PM
Sola and Her Guru, James L. Melton Answered (Part 1) - Rev. Jack Howell on Sep 28, 2002, 5:33 PM
Sola and Her Guru, James L. Melton Answered (Part 2) - Rev. Jack Howell on Sep 29, 2002, 8:25 AM
Sola and Her Guru, James L. Melton Answered (Part 3) - Rev. Jack Howell on Sep 29, 2002, 10:56 AM
Sola and Her Guru, James L. Melton Answered (Part 4) - Rev. Jack Howell on Sep 29, 2002, 12:06 PM
Sola's Vain Jangling - Rev. Jack Howell on Sep 28, 2002, 9:47 AM
Refutation of John McArthur's "Charismatic Chaos" - Rev. Jack Howell on Sep 24, 2002, 11:41 AM
Pneumonia - Rev. Jack Howell on Sep 24, 2002, 6:53 AM
An Example of "Tamarisk's" DISHONESTY! - Rev. Jack Howell on Sep 21, 2002, 5:18 PM
Another Reminder.... - Rev. Jack Howell on Sep 17, 2002, 7:46 PM
Happy Holidays Jack! - Mondo on Sep 17, 2002, 10:25 PM
Thanks Mondo! - Rev. Jack Howell on Sep 18, 2002, 5:14 AM
PFAI Is Growing! - Rev. Jack Howell on Sep 17, 2002, 7:57 PM
That is very cool Jack - Mondo on Sep 17, 2002, 10:26 PM
No, We Don't Advertise Alot - Rev. Jack Howell on Sep 18, 2002, 5:13 AM
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Bishop Hale-Bop Parading His Fruit Cart -- Door of Whittington, 21:03:33 10/14/02 Mon
Jack Howell’s “ministry” was spewing out some 300 plagiarized CUT AND PASTEs THAT HE STOLE FROM OTHER AUTHOR’S WORK PRODUCT in violation of the law and obsessively cranked them out! Is THAT how he spends resources in this fake “ministry”? He sat in his bedroom at his parents house where he lives, glued to the computer screen, slandering others, calling nasty names, and posting right at VOY’s one minute limit; one plagiarized ditty after another, as he cut and pasted copyrighted material for the entire weekend. THAT IS HIS MINISTRIES FRUIT! Banging his personal vendettas on the computer and archiving his and everyone’s posts for hours on end. That is one very pathetic delusional man.
Another Example of Jack HOWELL's Hypocrisy! AND Language!!! ( Rev. Jack Howell - Date Posted: 18:35:07 07/28/02 Sun)
Caps are original
"YOU LIE AND ACT DECEITFULLY AND DISHONESTLY BY CONTINUING WITH THIS...... CRAP,..... AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IT IS; CRAP COMING FROM THE DUNGHILL OF YOUR MAN-MADE DOCTRINES AND TRADITIONS OF MEN.
Now, little BB's for brains, I will not tell you again. got it?"
Was that said unto the Lord, by "REVEREND" Jack? Nice.
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The Record of Jack Howell's Un-Godly Agenda Against Sola -- Sola Scriptura, 20:22:18 10/14/02 Mon
These were taken from a site where I have NEVER posted. Jack has been told this repeatedly and every week finds a new victim that he insists in Sola Scriptura.
In the meantime Jack claims to be forwarding copies of these posts to Sola Scriptura's server from dori's site that Sola did not make. Jack Howell claims to be a minister of Christ, but everyone knows she did not make these posts. If Sola Scriptura had not exposed the apostate Roman Catholic Church and made Dori the forum owner angry, dori would prove that the IP#'s on all these posts do not belong to Sola Scriptura!
This log is quoted directly from dori’s forum shows only a very small percentage of the harassment Jack Howell has used in threatening and slandering Sola Scriptura by claiming she is variously: Willie T. DeLong, Maynard G. Crebbs, Louise, Tina, and many others on other sites.
Another of Soily's Aliases -- Rev. Jack Howell, 03:55:32 10/07/02 Mon
(here is only one person defending me who KNOWS I do NOT post at the Ecumenical site belonging to doris!).......
it's obvious you have an obsession with the woman, physician heal thyself -- Maynard G. Crebbs, 10:06:56 10/07/02 Mon
Contrary To The Imposter "Willie T." I Have Used Over.... Rev. Jack Howell 21:17:24 10/06/02 Sun 33
Prove Willie T is an imposter Jack!!! or drop it. Also the -- Willie T DeLong, 21:50:34 10/06/02 Sun
Re: Prove Willie T is an imposter Jack!!! or drop it. Also the -- Rev. Jack Howell, 03:53:04 10/07/02 Mon
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Author: Rev. Jack Howell
Date Posted: 03:53:04 10/07/02 Mon
”What a joke! It is common knowledge that you are an imposter, so you aren't fooling anyone. Get a life and get help for your obsession!” (remember Jack Howell is clueless. That is NOT Sola and several know it, including Doris!)
"Yet Another Alias" -- Rev. Jack Howell, 03:57:39 10/07/02 Mon
"Dori, I Want This Clown's IP Number" -- Rev. Jack Howell, 09:42:22 10/06/02 Sun
Re: "Dori, I Want This Clown's IP Number" -- Willie T DeLong, 09:49:36 10/06/02 Sun
Re: "Dori, I Want This Clown's IP Number" -- Rev. Jack Howell, 09:55:56 10/06/02 Sun
"He Is Definitely OBSESSED and Not Too Bright, Either!" (NT) -- Rev. Jack Howell,
09:57:59 10/06/02 Sun (insulting me)
Re: "He Is Definitely OBSESSED and Not Too Bright, Either!" -- Willie T DeLong, 10:16:23 10/06/02 Sun
Re: "He Is Definitely OBSESSED and Not Too Bright, Either!" -- Willie T DeLong, 18:24:49 10/06/02 Sun
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Author:Rev. Jack Howell
Subject: It Is A VIOLATION of Voy's Acceptable Use Policy To Impersonate Others
Date Posted: 21:16:32 10/08/02 Tue
“And I prosecute to the fullest extent of the law, those identified as impersonating me.
You are NOT anonymous. I can identify you.”
If that were TRUE he would KNOW it is NOT Sola!!!!!
This gets REAL old Jack Howell!!!!!!!
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Author:Rev. Jack Howell
Subject: Re: It Is A VIOLATION of Voy's Acceptable Use Policy To Impersonate Others
Date Posted: 21:31:32 10/08/02 Tue
”And I prosecute to the fullest extent of the law, those identified as impersonating me. You are NOT anonymous. I can identify you.I am able to conger up all sorts of things. Remember what I did to others!”
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Date Posted: 21:33:15 10/08/02 Tue
”I will get you Sola!”
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Date Posted: 21:35:36 10/08/02 Tue
”Remember what I did to Sak you idiot! I will shut down that imposter board you have.”
~There's a real NICE Example Reverend Jack!
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Here Jack Howell is obviously lying because Sola Scriptura has never posted at the Roman Catholic, doris’ site. Never. He has been told this time and again. Every one of the posts on this page are lies, slander, and mis-representations intended to harm Sola. Who knows what he is doing behind the scenes to stir up trouble?
Jack Howell states:
1. – “You are NOT anonymous. I can identify you.” LIAR!
2. - “You are NOT anonymous. I can identify you.I am able to conger up all sorts of things. Remember what I did to others!” LIAR!
3. - ”You are NOT anonymous. I can identify you.” LIAR!
4. - ”I will get you Sola!” A THREAT!
5. - ”Remember what I did to Sak you idiot! I will shut down that imposter board you have.” MORE THREATS!
Here is Jack doing his impression of a hypocrite:
Author: Rev. Jack Howell
Date Posted: 04:21:25 09/22/02 Sun
“Sola should learn not to ASSUME or engage in CONJECTURE, for everytime she does, she puts both feet in her mouth up to the knees and reveals how little she actually knows!”
You are one undiscerning counterfeit.
It is very easily provable, but the problem with you jack is that you hate the LIGHT. Prove it. Put up or shut up!
You are a stalker who followed me here, you followed me to the Woman's forum, now you are spamming it and all your wierd-os have invaded it, you are a harasser, and slanderer.
Get this straight! I have NEVER posted at doris' that is a FACT, bub. NEVER! Not a single time. Zip zero nada!
Doris and VOY can prove that too! But you don't want the TRUTH. The Truth has no place in your template, does it?
Slander is second nature to you and you have become numb to it and it's meaning before a Holy and Righteous God. Or what it does to others.
You lie so much that it has become a comfort zone for you and just like the end time apostate church of which you belong, lying is your nature and every one with any Godly Wisdom knows you are scoundrel and liar!
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Re: The Record of Jack Howell's Un-Godly Agenda -- Jack Claims to Have Given Credit - The Record Says Otherwise, 20:31:44 10/14/02 Mon
Do These Titles Sound familiar???? They Should. Jack Howell posted them approximately 300 times total!
Does plagiarizer Jack know what THIS means??? © © © © © © © © © © © © © ©
”Word of Faith Movement: Is It Metaphysical?
© Copyright 2001 by Troy J. Edwards and Victory through the Word Ministries
Seven Tactics of The Heresy Hunters
© Copyright 2001 by Troy J. Edwards and Victory through the Word Ministries
The God Kind of Faith - A Defense (Part 1)
© Copyright 2001 by Troy J. Edwards and Victory through the Word Ministries
The God Kind of Faith - A Defense (Part 2)
© Copyright 2001 by Troy J. Edwards and Victory through the Word Ministries
Does God Have Faith?
© Copyright 2001 by Troy J. Edwards and Victory through the Word Ministries
Divine Healing
© Copyright 2001 by Troy J. Edwards and Victory through the Word Ministries
Divine Healing: Is It Physical Healing Or Just The Spirit?
© Copyright 2001 by Troy J. Edwards and Victory through the Word Ministries
Divine Healing: Guaranteed - In .pdf format. You will need Acrobat Reader.
© Copyright 2001 by Troy J. Edwards and Victory through the Word Ministries
Does Sickness Glorify God?
© Copyright 2001 by Troy J. Edwards and Victory through the Word Ministries
Etc. etc. etc……….
JACK HOWELL (REV. “INTEGRITY”!) STOLE EVERY ONE OF THESE!
Fasting
Rev. Jack Howell 21:06:57 09/07/02 Sat
Asking Gets Answers
Rev. Jack Howell 21:05:03 09/07/02 Sat
The Prayer of Intercession
Rev. Jack Howell 21:03:13 09/07/02 Sat
The Necessity of Prayer
Rev. Jack Howell 21:01:27 09/07/02 Sat
The Importance of Bible Study
Rev. Jack Howell 20:59:32 09/07/02 Sat
How To Operate In Faith
Rev. Jack Howell 20:58:02 09/07/02 Sat
Witnessing/Evangelism
Rev. Jack Howell 21:24:47 09/07/02 Sat
God's Forgiveness
Rev. Jack Howell 21:22:28 09/07/02 Sat
Divine Guidance
Rev. Jack Howell 21:20:39 09/07/02 Sat
Divine Healing
Rev. Jack Howell 21:18:41 09/07/02 Sat
Communion
Rev. Jack Howell 21:16:48 09/07/02 Sat
End Time Events (Part 1)
Rev. Jack Howell
End Time Events (Part 2) -- Rev. Jack Howell, 21:28:48 09/07/02 Sat
The Local Church
Rev. Jack Howell 21:14:40 09/07/02 Sat
Trials and Tribulations
Rev. Jack Howell 21:12:29 09/07/02 Sat
Tithes and Offerings
Rev. Jack Howell 21:10:24 09/07/02 Sat
Worship
Rev. Jack Howell 21:08:53 09/07/02 Sat
Basics For Believers - Lesson 1: Being Born Again
Rev. Jack Howell 20:34:48 09/07/02 Sat
Basics For Believers - Lesson 2: Assurance of Salvation
Rev. Jack Howell 20:32:32 09/07/02 Sat
Basics For Believers - Lesson 3: Christ's Death For Us
Rev. Jack Howell 20:30:19 09/07/02 Sat
Basics For Believers - Lesson 4: Water Baptism
Rev. Jack Howell 20:26:51 09/07/02 Sat
Basics For Believers - Lesson 5: The Baptism of The Holy Ghost
Rev. Jack Howell 20:23:41 09/07/02 Sat
Basics For Believers - Lesson 6: Speaking In Tongues
Rev. Jack Howell 20:21:12 09/07/02 Sat
Signs of The Lord's Protection
Rev. Jack Howell 20:18:25 09/07/02 Sat
Abraham - Promise Fulfillment By Faith
Rev. Jack Howell 20:16:19 09/07/02 Sat
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Re: The Record of Jack Howell's Un-Godly Actions -- NOTE: To New Comers -Jack Intended These As SPAM With These, 20:35:41 10/14/02 Mon
http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=plagiarize
plagiarize
\Pla"gia*rize\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Plagiarized; p.
pr. & vb. n. Plagiarizing.] To steal or purloin
from the writings of another; to appropriate without
due acknowledgement (the ideas or expressions of
another).
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, ©
1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, ©
1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.
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Jack Howell the Jangler With Great Pretensions as a “Divinely Anointed Bishop” -- Hack is a Counterfeit - He Is Completely Devoid of INTEGRITY, 23:02:52 10/04/02 Fri
Jack Howell has posted more than 400 plagiarized articles (including re-posts) of which
he has stolen from various authors and repeatedly posted them while thumbing his nose at their rights to their legal protection. Records show that he never gave credit for these authors work which is their legally protected product. The records defeat his lies to claim otherwise. Records Jack. Put up or shut up!
Does plagiarizer Jack know what THIS EMBLEM means??? ©
It is the copyright symbol that legally protects the article on “Integrity” that Jack Howelling has violated more than 100 times by whoring the article all over the internet. What is curious about his apparent obsessive fascination with someone else’s writing….which I have yet to read, BTW…..is that it’s title, in the most classic dialectical example is convicting the VERY person stealing it!
Take a look at the posting record below of Jack Howell (from today) posting to HIMSELF and claiming ABOUT HIMSELF that “Brother Jack is a man of Integrity” while he repeatedly violated protected materials! As if complimenting himself and pretending that he is actually TWO people posting is not demented enough! LOOK at the record!
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Integrity Rev. Jack Howell 12:08:41 10/04/02 Fri
Re: Integrity -- BROTHER JACK IS A MAN OF INTEGRITY!!, 12:09:38 10/04/02 Fri
Re: Integrity -- BROTHER JACK BRING INTEGRITY!!, 12:13:44 10/04/02 Fri
Re: Integrity -- BROTHER JACK IS MAN OF GOD!!, 12:18:25 10/04/02 Fri
Re: Integrity -- AMEN BROTHER JACK!!, 12:22:03 10/04/02 Fri
Re: Integrity -- BROTHER JACK IS A MAN OF INTEGRITY!!, 12:28:32 10/04/02 Fri
Re: JACK IS MAN OF GOD -- BROTHER JACK BRINGS LIGHT, 12:01:19 10/04/02
Re: JACK IS MAN OF GOD -- AND A MAN OF POWER, 12:05:14 10/04/02 Fri
Re: JACK IS MAN OF GOD -- HIS INTEGRITY IS HEAPING COALS ON HER HEAD, 12:11:25 10/04/02 Fri
Re: JACK IS MAN OF GOD -- BROTHER JACK IS A MAN OF INTEGRITY!!, 12:14:46 10/04/02 Fri
Re: JACK IS MAN OF GOD -- BROTHER JACK BRINGS LIGHT!!,
Re: Integrity -- BROTHER JACK BRINGS TRUTH!!, 12:33:10 10/04/02 Fri
Re: Integrity -- BROTHER JACK IS A MAN OF INTEGRITY!!, 12:37:53 10/04/02 Fri
GOOD POST REV!! -- THE TRUTH SHAL SET YOU FREE!!, 11:38:44 10/04/02 Fri
Re: GOOD POST REV!! -- AMEN BROTHER JACK, 11:42:33 10/04/02 Fri
TRUTH?????????? The TRUTH IS THAT JACK HOWELLING IS POSTING TO HIMSELF AND SPEAKING TO HIMSELF TRYING TO FOOL OTHERS INTO BELIEVING THERE ARE MORE THAN ONE PERSON!!!!! Jack is announcing that he is a “man of power” a “man of “integrity” and a man who “brings light.” Twlight Zone music……”INTEGRITY????”
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Re: Jack Howell the Jangler With Great Pretensions as a “Divinely Anointed Bishop” -- Beezle-Bubba Caught Doin' the Nasty (Falsifying Information), 09:37:43 10/06/02 Sun
Author: Rev. Jack Howell
”Subject: If You Were HALF AS SMART As You "Think"You Are.... ”
Date Posted: 07:20:06 10/06/02 Sun
In reply to: What a pant load U R, I Swanie! 's message, "YO! Jackie, Why do you post to yourself and call YOURSELF: "Bro. Jack"" on 07:20:06 10/06/02 Sun
”Read the actual posts in entirety, you would know that I was replying to Pastor Jack Adams, Pastor of Friendship Baptist Church of Ponca City, Oklahoma.
This is yet another prime example of your DISHONESTY and TWISTING OF FACTS. You claim to be "Christian," but your behavior proves otherwise.”http://www.voy.com/73052/867.html
Lettuce check on Jack’s INTEGRITY by posting the ACTUAL TEXT AFTER EACH POST in its entirety. Note that it took jack two days to think up THIS WHOPPER:
Re: Integrity BROTHER JACK IS A MAN OF INTEGRITY!! 12:09:38 10/04/02 Fri
THE TEXT READS: " X "
Re: Integrity -- BROTHER JACK BRING INTEGRITY!!, 12:13:44 10/04/02 Fri
THE TEXT READS: "-X"
Re: Integrity -- BROTHER JACK IS MAN OF GOD!!, 12:18:25 10/04/02 Fri
THE TEXT READS: "--X"
Re: Integrity -- AMEN BROTHER JACK!!, 12:22:03 10/04/02 Fri
THE TEXT READS: "---X"
Re: Integrity -- BROTHER JACK IS A MAN OF INTEGRITY!!, 12:28:32 10/04/02 Fri
THE TEXT READS "----X"
Re: Integrity -- BROTHER JACK BRINGS TRUTH!!, 12:33:10 10/04/02 Fri
THE TEXT READS "-----X"
Re: Integrity BROTHER JACK IS A MAN OF INTEGRITY!!
THE TEXT READS "-----X"
Basically jackie was not only talking to himself, but he was "bumping" himself TOO. LOL!
I don’t know Jack Adams….I wonder if he is related to ED ADAMS? But as was expected; JACK LIED! There was nothing in the main text of Howling’s CUT & PASTE plagiarized material that he has stolen dozens of times and whored all over the www that in any way alludes to “Jack Adams” or in any way referenced him.
It is just another example of Jack Howell demonstrating his skill as a LOW LIFE LIAR!
SO EXPLAIN THIS JACKALS: Watch “THE Rev. Jack Howell” do his fancy back peddle on THIS post where he is talking to HIMSELF …AGAIN…
”Re: What Is Heresy? -- BROTHER JACK BRINGS LIGHT!!, 12:31:58 10/04/02 Fri
THE TEXT: “>>>X”
You are a game player, deceiver, LIAR and parcer of words jack. Just like your father THE DEVIL. Next time you feel the need to "bump" yourself.....don't blame others!
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FREE WILLIE TO EXPOSE JANGLERS' Pretensions as “Divinely Anointed Bishop” -- Yer Doin' G-R-E-A-T Willie Wonder! Keep it Up!, 09:18:51 10/07/02 Mon
[> [> [> Subject: Prove Willie T is an imposter Jack!!! Kinda hard to porove what is real to be an imposter
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Willie T DeLong
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Date Posted: 08:25:43 10/07/02 Mon
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Well Jack since I have only posted on this board I would say the common knowledge you refer to isn't common knowledge at all, just another useless attempt by you to cloud issues.
Now in your case it is common knowledge that you talk to yourself as James, Gerald, White Eagle, Billy Bob, and several other psuedo Jacks to try and fool people into believing your crap and for a while a few like Dori take what you say as truth, but shortly thereafter people distance themselves from the untruth, bickering and name calling you fabricate. That is possibly why you have no communication on your boards so you trash other boards.
As I said I am who I stated so unless you can prove otherwise drop it! Crawl into Robbers Cave and do some real study as opposed to your little www C&P. things.
Still waiting on the 2 Scriptures supporting and naming women apostles in the NT. All you have given is some ones opinion no facts from the Bible.
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REPENT!!!! Jack Howell! Quit the Lies and Slander -- Sola Scriptura, 17:09:22 10/14/02 Mon
Matthew 23
5 "But they do all their deeds (1) to be noticed by men; for they (2) broaden their [1] phylacteries and lengthen (3) the tassels of their garments. NIV
(the following is how Jack signs his name!)Think about how much time he could save if he stopped referencing himself as “reverend” and expected others to follow suit. OR stopping adding such verbose appellations to his signatures as:
"The Rev. Jack Howell,
Bishop,
Director of Revealed Truth Ministries
in Oklahoma City, OK,
and PFAI State Presbyter of Oklahoma"
Now THERE is a HUMBLE SERVANT!
Beezle-Bishop is a wolf who readily attaches himself to the title of “bishop” like a common leach, yet he declines any of the attending burdens of accountability or responsibility. He demands prayer and does his alms before men to ba admired by them! The Rt Rev has demonstrated an ability to overlook many of scriptural demands placed on the title he covets.
He has accused Sola Scriptura of being: Willie T, Maynard G Crebbs, Tina, byron, and Louise. When the web administrator told him those were not her IP's he INSISTED on slandering her anyway. Now he is threatening the Houston Police on her and claiming that she posed as Scottie Jackson form Virginia, when she just cut and pasted someone else's post. He has no IP#s because Sola NEVER emailed as "Scottie" Never! But then she has never posted at dori's forum in it's history, but that has not stopped Jack Howell from inventing a new accuasation every time a new poster goes there. Even when the truth is finially revealed jack has never been man enough to acknowledge he falsely accused a sister. Your path is dark Jack Howell. You have no discernment.
Not one single apology for all the slander of her! NONE! He demanded IP#’s and dori, the forum owner, told him SAK and Sola were not involved.
You are an accuser of the brethren! Your “PRAYERS BEFORE MEN ARE A STENCH IN THE NOSTRILS OF A HOLY AND RIGHTEOUS GOD!” He is a virtue-less person who brings disgrace to himself, to Christ, and to the very church he claims to represent. REPENT JACK!
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You ERR Gelly Bee - Here is the History regarding the misinformation you published -- Sola Scriptura, 00:03:14 10/14/02 Mon
Gelly Bee about Jack Howell "Howell satarted out on the so-called "Christian Theology Discussion Board.""
WRONG Gelly! Jack has never been welcome here with his Anthropomorphite heresy any more than he is welcome at R1.
We had his number fron the day we met him. Jack was always an uninvited gate crasher from day one. He was at first asked, then demanded to stay out! We had to go on sign-in status to keep him and all his phony proxy servers and phony names out and from talking to themselves about what a "wonderful minister" jack is. Jack posted as Pilgrams Pride and various other names that lied about himself and made up stories that complimented HIMSELF underthese other names! Talk about ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST!!! The man is an unstable loon! So NO, jack did not begin his internet whoring career and harassment of others at our old forum.
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Re: You ERR Gelly Bee - Here is the History regarding the misinformation you published -- tamarisk, 12:54:36 10/14/02 Mon
After watching GellyB slide down that slippery slope of conpromise, he cannot be take seriously in doctrinal matters.
First, at the beginning of dis here forum, he played the Pacadorian card with Pac and inviting him here. We found out Pac, in his immaturity, is prone to do strange things in his emailings with Dorito.
Second, Pac, trying to play the peacemaker card, sought out GellyB, got a band of unbelievers(Dorito, Sunny, etc.) to send him money for a new computer. GellyB looks upon his compromise each day he logs on to the net.
Third, he makes pacts with Oneness Pentecostals such as Mags. I know he does not believe the same as Mags concerning her "scriptural gymnastics" of Acts 2:38. Tis interesting a Oneness Pentecostal can't see when and where the Ruach HaKodesh, The Holy Sprit of G_d, is given through Scripture. This is why her lack of discernment on trinitarian teachings is from Hell.
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YULE PROLLY LIKE DIS -- from R1 alternative forum, 23:22:44 10/11/02 Fri
Subject: Who???
Author: GerryB.
Date Posted: 22:11:39 10/11/02 Fri
"What fool invited Jack Howell here? Now we have a word- faith preacher here along with our "Jesus only" Pentacostal."
LOL&L&L! jack can bring out the cajones in persons that we thought didn't have any.
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ACNR/Dolly/Bethany -- tamarisk, 08:40:47 10/10/02 Thu
Cut and paste from www.lighthouse.org
WHAT ARE LEADERS SAYING ABOUT THE LIGHTHOUSE MOVEMENT?
"The Lighthouse Movement has brought the body of Christ together in a way that is unique in American history. I am praying that God will use this movement to help bring about a massive nationwide renewal and spiritual awakening." - Rev. Billy Graham
"The Lighthouse Movement is incredibly strategic for helping to reach out to non-believers and disciple the tens of millions who are turning to Christ." - Dr. Bill Bright
"I strongly urge every Christian to commit their home as a Lighthouse." - Dr. John Perkins
"Our Lighthouses should be beacons of Light for sinners. We have the privilege of reaching out to all around us with the love and grace of Jesus Christ as we pray, care and share." - Dr. Paul A. Cedar, Chairman of the Mission America Coalition
"There is nothing in this world more fulfilling than joining God in His work to reveal His Son, Jesus, the Light of the World." - Mrs. Mary Lance Sisk, Love Your Neighbor Ministries and Chair of the Lighthouse Facilitation Council
"We need to make our homes Lighthouses for Christ, until Jesus can look down and see our whole Nation ablaze with His Light." - Mrs. Evelyn Christenson, author, speaker and founder of United Prayer Ministries
"I am the egg-man, I am the walrus, kook-kook a juke a juke-a-juke, juke."--Reverend Jackson Q. Howell, Bishop, PFAI Ministries.
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The OUTHOUSE MOVEMENT????? -- The Get-REAL Rev. Hack Jowells, 23:30:42 10/10/02 Thu
PFAKE's VISION FOR THE UNIVERSE
"We want to be Outhouses to the glory of a good bowel movement, and truth of our King Metamucil and the Lord of Flies! Reserve the inalienable right to keep the seat up at all times, and miss the target by a mile. Just because we want too. We want to see our cities, We want to see our nation, and We want to see our world! But we are Blind Guides with planks in our eyes who are currently occupied in the Outhouse straining gnats!
From Da Man
Da Humble Servant
”Our Bishop
The Rev. Jack Howell,
Bishop,
Director of Revealed Truth Ministries
in Oklahoma City,
OK, AND….AND….AND, don’t let us forget
PFAI State Presbyter of Oklahoma “
….betcha can't say THAT three times fast *
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Jack's LIGHTHOUSE MOVEMENT -- lucy lou, 14:39:07 10/11/02 Fri
ponder the thought. sound effects optional.
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Re: Jack's LIGHTHOUSE MOVEMENT -- I meant Lucy LOO, 14:42:31 10/11/02 Fri
yo jack! keep straining. GNATS dat is, LOL!
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ACNR/Dolly/Bethany -- tamarisk, 12:36:34 10/10/02 Thu
Paul commanded that his instructions were to be kept until Christ’s coming. “That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ” (1 Tim. 6:14). This command is given at the end of the epistle in which the Apostle had so clearly required that women be in subjection to men in the church (1 Tim. 2:9-15). Since Jesus has not yet appeared, we are to continue to maintain these restrictions.
The commandment referred to here probably refers to the initial command of 1 Timothy 1:3-5(charges concerning Doctrine). The whole book is a charge to be alert to the false teachers and their doctrine. Until the appearing--The coming of Mechiach is the great motivation for godly living. G_d never changes. Standards and mores may change in the mind's of men, but G_d's Holy Standards are the same until the coming of Y'shua.
Jackals demonstrates his disbelief to justify ordaining women. Either he believes Jesus has already come or is not coming. Another possibility for Jackals believing false doctrines is:
IF MEN WILL NOT LEAD, WOMEN WILL
One reason why women are taking leadership positions is that the man has too often failed to take his place. When men are weak, women must be strong. This is often seen in the church. Men should willingly step forward to lead the church in every area, but often the men are weak and lazy. They don’t give; they don’t go soul winning; they don’t volunteer to fill vacant positions; they don’t come out on work days. Someone has to lead, so the women step in and take control. Christian men should respond to the call of world evangelism, but few do. A great number of Christian men are too weak, or lazy, or fearful, or busy with selfish plans to be concerned about world missions. So the women do what they can.
When men are strong and obedient to God’s commands, there is not a serious problem with what the women should do.
Where there are women in the pulpit is a strong indication we are coming quickly to the time of the end. It is an indication the ministry Jackals is associated with and oversees, is very weak. It is weak in sound, pure doctrine, in faith, in position and practice, etc.
One very Biblical word is justify. There is little in the way of adjectives for this word. Can you justify having a woman in the pulpit or a ministry position? If you can, you really need to look at the pathetic, debased spiritual condition of the men in your church and the direction of that ministry in general.
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The UNCLEAN Spirit Entered Him On: October 23rd, 1955 -- There is Has Remained and NEVER Known The Re-Birth, 10:57:47 10/09/02 Wed
Repost from Tamarisk commenting on Serpent Jack's testimony unto man.
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"I was born on October 23, 1955, in Fort Worth, Texas to Wayne S. and Willa S. Howell. I was what is commonly called a "military brat" because my father was in the U.S. Air Force for 26 years, and most of my childhood was spent living on SAC Air Force Bases. To make a long story short, after dad retired from the Air Force, we moved to Oklahoma City where my mother is originally from. This was back in the '60s. My church life before coming to Oklahoma was limited to chapel services on the Air Force Bases we lived on. When we moved to Oklahoma, I began attending the Church of Christ since that was the denomination of my mother's side of the family. In my junior year of High School, I began attending a Baptist church, and began feeling the conviction of the Holy Ghost and on May 13, 1973 I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. Shortly after that, I felt God calling me to preach, so on March 31, 1974, I was licensed to preach the Gospel. In 1976, I was ordained. In 1977, I began to turn away from God after some things happened that hurt me pretty deeply, and I entered the U.S. Army. While stationed in what was then West Germany, I became interested in the Wicca religion and was initiated into the Alexandrian tradition by its founder, Alex Sanders himself after accepting his invitation to come to England on leave. I also studied the Celtic, Seax, Gardenarian, and Ecclectic traditions of Wicca. After my stint in the Army ended, I returned to Oklahoma and went to work for a Christian owned business, and God began working on me and the Holy Ghost began convicting me. Shortly afterward, I gave my life back to Christ and began serving Him as never before! He not only restored me back into fellowship with Him, but He also restored my ministry, and in 1984, I received the Baptism of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues. God also began calling me to minister to those ensnared by the cults, and expose false doctrines that have infiltrated the Body of Christ. He has given me a powerful anointing for this area of ministry and a deep love for those so ensnared and deceived by satanic influence.
I presently attend church at Revival For Christ Club International Ministries' Power Cathedral Family Church in Moore, Oklahoma.
I recently affiliated my ministry with Pentecostal Faith Assemblies, Inc., headquarted in Ponca City, Oklahoma (now headquartered in Moore, Oklahoma). This same association also ordained me as an affiliate minister and recently as Bishop.
Today, I can honestly say that I love God more than ever before and am so thankful that He is so merciful and forgiving! I thank Him for restoring me and my ministry! To God be the glory!"
Rev. Jack Howell
Revealed Truth Ministries
An Affiliate of Pentecostal Faith Assemblies, Inc.
Bishop,
Pentecostal Faith Assemblies, Inc."
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I read this over at another site While I will not contend with the testimony of a Christian, I believe there are some problem areas here.
His whole "testimony" can be summed up in the statement "I felt God calling me to preach." Notice, it was this "feeling," which apparently was not enough in his life to carry him through his "Christian walk."
Jack has all the markings of a "501 c 3" preacher. One bought and paid for by the heretical teachings of cultic churches. His "background" started in the "Church of the (Anti)Christ. His postings at Trinity and WOG indicate that CoC indoctrination. The CoC has people assigned to "new converts." I refer to them such as that in communist countries as "struggle sessions." In communist thought, your thoughts must be reformed to a Marxist/Leninist way of thought. These groups, sometimes lasting hours or days are designed to "break the will" of a person, planting the "party line," into their mind.
This is what the CoC does to its "converts." You are usually assigned a husband/wife team whom you meet with regularly. You answer a series of scripted questions about your life, your sins, shortcomings, etc. Then, this is what the leaders use to "measure" your progress.
If you pinned Jack down, you'd find he was not saved in the first place. Hence, his license and ordination are meaningless. He believes in salvation the Mags way using Acts 2:38, aka, salvation the TBN way. This is why I left Pentecostal type churches and have never looked back. They lack substance in their "Holy Roller" posture. Their "salvation" can only work because of their perverted doctrines and exercises of Scripture stretching.
You might like to find out what "flavor" of Baptist Church licensed and ordained him. Many churches calling themselves Baptist are 501 c 3 establishments. Just another tax collecting dumbed down authority of "Uncle Scam." Jack sounds like that typical, deluded registered pastor today in many of AmeriKa's pulpits.
Questions to Jack about church and clergy registration would be interesting. The Pro-Life Movement. The dumbed-down position of pastors in pulpits today concerning Scriptures such as Romans 13, etc.
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Re: The UNCLEAN Spirit Entered Him On: October 23rd, 1955 -- tamarisk, 12:39:08 10/09/02 Wed
If'in you do the math, Jack was born in 1955. At 18 years of age, he started attending a "Baptist Church" and felt the calling of the Lord and the "Holy Ghost." HE felt that calling as a 19 y/o and this "Baptist Church" licensed him. This same church ordained him at the age of 21. It is interesting because no were in his testimony does he give evidence of this calling. I'd dare say there aren't many true Baptist Churches out there who would license and/or ordain someone that young without being convinced he had a calling on his life. He would have to demonstrate his calling to the satisfaction of the congregation to whom he is responsible. The way a calling is truly realized is by witnesses.
Then, in 1977, he turned away from his "salvation and calling," and turned to the Occult and Satanism. So, for 7 years, the Lord and His "Holy Ghost" stopped working in Jackals life and allowed him to enter into the Occult.
Heb 6:4-6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
(KJV)
The author of Hebrews does not believe this person has lost his salvation. If it were possible to do so, Jackals has no testimony from 1973-1976. He would make G_d a liar and a respector of persons. Instead, Jackals insists he was saved, licensed and ordained, then slipped into apostasy.
He then, "saw the light(house)" in 1984. Since neither a C of C, Baptist nor Pentecostal church can save you, certainly Jackals must believe, back in the '70's, he called himself. The warning here is those who claimed to be saved, and took then at their own estimate of themselves to show the folly of their viewpoint. Your folly Jack, is in believing you can be saved over and over again. Either you were saved twice or not at all.
Ya'll see the subtle language used by satan in his minions. In 1973, he felt the conviction of the "Holy Ghost," was saved and Born Again by accepting Jesus Christ as King and Lord.
He, in 1984, again states a salvation experience. This time he adds baptism and the evidence of speaking in tongues to his salvation experience. Notice too, Jackals is this all loving person, never preaching on Heaven or Hell. Jesus, BTW, preached more on Hell than on Heaven. An eternity in Hell is just as real as one in Heaven, serving our Lord, day and night.
Was just wondering who preached to Jackals he was a Hell-bound sinner needing washing in the precious blood, shed by our Lord on Calvary's Cross.
He is risen, Jack and not you. Without the resurrection, the Gospel message is incomplete. Your "evidence" of salvation by the works of men are meaningless just the same as you calling yourself back in 1973-1975.
Your great problem Jack is immaturity, not insecurity. Your a Hell-Bound sinner who has been deceived by the hocus-pocus, mind controlled magic from the minds of men.
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Re: The UNCLEAN Spirit Entered Him On: October 23rd, 1955 -- tamarisk, 12:47:05 10/09/02 Wed
>Your great problem Jack is immaturity, not insecurity.
> Your a Hell-Bound sinner who has been deceived by the
>hocus-pocus, mind controlled magic from the minds of
>men.
Oops! I used the wrong yore in that statement. :)
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Re: The UNCLEAN Spirit Entered Him On: October 23rd, 1955 -- Sola Scriptura's Observations, 21:09:34 10/09/02 Wed
Serpent Jack originally received his religious direction from Willa S., his mother who was a member of the Church of Christ cult, then according to Jack he became “Baptist” a generic label that could mean just about anything.
Of Note: Jack Howell, at nearly age 50, he remains to this date in his mother’s residence where they together reside with his father. Contrary to the demands 1 Tim 3:1-7 places on his position.
Today he reaffirmed his Arninian apostasy view of eternal security:
Rev. Jack Howell / Date Posted: 09:19:39 10/09/02 Wed
” I used to believe and teach OSAS until my studies of the doctrine convinced me otherwise.”
STUDIES? Or was it the conviction of introspection that forced a convenient EXCUSE for his own apostate walk?
His rather ragged “testimony” reads that he on: "May 13, 1973 I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior" as was noted by Tamarisk he was 18 years old.
“Shortly after that, I felt God calling me to preach, Prolly like a “calling” to raid the refrigerator for a slice of seven layer devil’s food cake (analogy intended) His “calling” to be a bishop went like this: He was awakened from sleep at 11:00 AM by the smell of bacon and sausage frying. As his feet hit the 1960's avocado green shag carpet one morning and he has a vision:…..” I think tomorrow, I want to be a a bishop! But not before I experience my rebellion against the one I profess as my LORD and first worship The Enemy. So first I wanna become a Witch and Satanist. Hey, What tha heck? I'm young. Pass the bacon.”
he continues: ”so on March 31, 1974, I was licensed to preach the Gospel.”
ONE YEAR AFTER BECOMING SAVED HE JUMPS INTO A LEADERSHIP ROLE?! He was 19 years old. What did he study for that year to prepare himself to SERVE???? How could he have possibly been called of God to be in a leadership role as a new believer? Clearly he wasn't called of God. His testimony reflects that.
Now Jack in recent days he is making the same silly claims of being proficient in Greek. We all know this is a cut and paste joke, but bare with me. When he was confronted with the above implausible numbers two months ago; he stated that education of any sort was "Traditions of Man" and unnecessary because he “had the POWER.”
Demon jack continues :"In 1976, I was ordained.” At age 21 years old!
One wonders what studies and life experiences could possibly have prepared him for his self appointed position! OR what he could have contributed to the church at such an age as a supposed new believer. It is madness. Utter folly and foolishness!
”In 1977, I began to turn away from God ......." …..and then became a WITCH!
Here is where his Arninian apostasy of a works for salvation offers him solace and a comforting justification that he must re-play in his mind as it mollifies his self examination and glosses over the fact that he never was saved in the first place. Salvation to Jack is a “feeling” that is placated by “works.” “Works” which are judged according to his fallen, depraved mind. And buoyed by an ecstatic language given him by the Devil himself to keep Jack in bondage to a false hope of salvation according to his own merit.
Now he is haunting Christians!
LOOK at those dates and tell me this is a stable person!
Jack is bouncing off the walls!
Just looking at him declares him to be a compulsive person with no discipline!
Jack Howell has gone from one radical extreme of faith to its diametrically opposed antithesis in just a matter of months.
Now he is guided by unclean serpent spirits of the WOF movement and its occult connection which is home to a religious spirit he has always been a prisoner to.
So who is surprised?????
That is because: he who walks in the darkness does not know where he goes.
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Uncovering a Wolf Among The Flock - In Double-Wide Fleece -- watch the birdie jackie, 22:04:45 10/08/02 Tue
On Flappin' Jack's Website he states that the book by heretic Kenneth Hagan is highly recommended reading:
"The Believer's Authority by Kenneth E. Hagin "Something every believer needs to know is their authority in Christ Jesus. "
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LETTUCE look at some of Hagan's own quotes:
"We (the church) are Christ." (Kenneth Hagin, As Christ is -- So are we, Tape #44H06)
Think about that for a minute. Anyone saying; "We are Christ." Perhaps this is some insight into the false piousness and the demanding of unmerited respect Jack commands of all of society with the appellation "REVEREND".
"Christ's physical death on the cross was not enough to save us." (Kenneth Hagin, How Jesus obtained His Name, Tape 44H01)
"Jesus tasted spiritual death." (Kenneth Hagin, How Jesus obtained His Name, Tape 44H01)
"The Christian "is as much an incarnation as was Jesus of Nazareth.""(Kenneth Hagin, "The Incarnation," THE WORD OF FAITH (Dec. 1980), 14.)
FROM THE ADMINISTRATION: "Because your spirit has been tested, as per 1 John 4:1, and that testing has uncovered that you are not a committed believer in the historic Christian faith, but have been uncovered as a false prophet who has presumed to speak a word coming from the Lord which fully endorsed the false prophet Kenneth Copeland, which was not a word from the Lord thus was a false word given as if it were from the Lord, but indeed came from another source, making YOU, Flap Jack, a false prophet as per Deuteronomy 18:20(But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.')
As a false prophet, you, Flap Jack, are thereby eliminated from being a "committed believer in the historic Christian faith" but are indeed a wolf in sheep's clothing."
This is why I maintain that Flappin' Jack is a tare who's wicked doctrine is of demons and we will continue to EXPOSE. I will expose your nakedness Jack---!!!!! smile for the camera.
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ACNR/Dolly -- tamarisk, 13:08:44 10/07/02 Mon
This is for the Rt Rev. Yule need an Acrobat Reader for downloading the 28 pages of the IRS code for 501 c 3 churches and bought and paid for, registered pastors.
Jackals, G_d bless your deceived, registered heart.
http://www.atr.org/
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Re: ACNR/Dolly/Tamarisk/Willie?Maynard & Bethany -- María de los Dolores Juanita Marguerita Delgado Galván Sanz, 15:35:33 10/07/02 Mon
...........jus a guess.....but I'd venture to say dat ACROBATICS ain't heez problemo.....Senior.
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Rickey -- María de los Dolores Juanita Marguerita Delgado Galván Sanz, 15:38:16 10/07/02 Mon
I hope eye 'splained dat okay.......
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Re: ACNR/Dolly/Tamarisk/Willie?Maynard & Bethany -- tamarisk, 09:05:58 10/08/02 Tue
Si! Butta he does know "hermeneutical acrobatics."(I had it correct the first time in spelling it hermeNUTical)
Dat Pennycoastal pritcher claiming that HIS works done for HIS glory are meaningful. You certainly have to make the Scripture(such as Acts 2:38) do back-flips and jump hurdles to make it fit HIS teaching.
Again Jackals, Salvation if by Grace ALONE, THROUGH Faith ALONE, UNTO Repentance, IN the Mighty, Blessed Name of HaShem Y'shua HaMechiach.
YOU take out the ALONE part because YOU don't believe the whole of Scripture. YOU pervert the Scriptures because it profits YOU. YOU registered and incorporated PFA because of the "benefits" YOU believe you receive from the goobermint of the good ole' US of A.
By the numbers Rt Rev, just how much has YOUR ministry grown since its inception? How many did you pull out of other churches to deceive with YOUR misinterpretation of the Scripture?
I do not believe you can be saved in the typical Rt Rev, Pentecostal church of today.
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HERE IS A COMMENDABLE IDEA FOR ALL TO CONSIDER -- report his harassment! GOOD IDEA Willie T!!!!!, 22:25:03 10/07/02 Mon
Flappy Jowels to Willie T "You need some serious mental help."
Response, Subject: Well now
Author: Willie T DeLong
Date Posted: 19:11:11 10/06/02 Sun
"Talk about someone needing mental help! Pot calling kettle black.
Strange thing is and most people catch right off is that everyone who disagrees or refutes you is automatially a mental case.
You have stated that Gerard, Jerry, Dave, BJ, Ryan, Lou, Sonja, Renee, Tony, Tamarisk, Sola and many others have a mental problem. Kinda stupid coming from a so called rev don't you think?
I would advise you to take a look inward if that is possible. I may drop a letter to the Wal-Mart headquarters and offer a few suggestions.
I can't recall ever reading a refute by you. But I have read so many of your lies that the numbers are almost uncountable. "
(bold face original)
I believe we should all take him up on that offer! THEN ol Beezle-Bishop will find that each one of those names are a seperate person.....and don't forget Booda and SAK!
dori can provide the IP#s to PROVE they are all different persons too! But I prefer writting Walmart about their employee Jack Howell of Moore Oklahoma. Maybe that will end the harassment. I KNOW they don't tolerate mis-conduct in their employees.
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You lead a dual life Jack Howell and it is time for Walmart to know about it! -- Sola Scriptura, 22:46:39 10/07/02 Mon
GET THIS THROUGH YOUR S-L-O-W MIND JACK HOWELL.
I HAVE NEVER POSTED AT DORI’S FORUM.
NOT ONCE! NEVER!!!!!
STOP THE HARASSMENT. DORI’S LOGS WILL PROVE IT!
YOU ARE ONE DEMON SEED WITH THE DISCERNMENT OF A ROCK! YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS HARASSING ME AND OBSESSED WITH ME AND OTHERS. YOU ARE SICK, SO BACK OFF BUCKWHEAT! YOU ARE CLUELESS AND EVIL!
Author:
Rev. Jack Howell
”I would venture to say that the obssessed person is none other that SAK or Sola who have nothing better to do with their lives since their version of "Christianity" is largely rejected as aberrant at best and cultic at worst.”
Author:
Rev. Jack Howell
” Notice How.... The person posing as "Willie T." ignores the evidence I have given in order to feed his/her ego? This is a classic cultic tactic.”
Author:
Rev. Jack Howell: ”bump”
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Rev. Jack Howell
” Notice How.... Sola aka "Willie" ran back to her board, ranting and railing after being refuted and exposed for the religious fraud that she is.”
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Rev. Jack Howell
”What a joke! It is common knowledge that you are an imposter, so you aren't fooling anyone. Get a life and get help for your obsession!”
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Rev. Jack Howell
”Sola can't stand the fact that a Pentecostal preacher got the best of her, so now she is OBSESSED with it and out of that sick obsession, she is spamming this board under different names.
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Rev. Jack Howell
”Sola aka "Willie" ran back to her board, ranting and railing after being refuted and exposed for the religious fraud that she is.”
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Re: You lead a dual life Jack Howell and it is time for Walmart to know about it! -- Is "THE" Reverend a FAKE?, 23:15:04 10/07/02 Mon
God considers gossip, slander, backbiting, meddling, false accusations, false witnessing a grave violation of His Holiness and imposes grave punishment for such actions (Exodus 23:1-8; Deuteronomy 19:18-21; Proverbs 6:12-19; 12:17-23; 14:5-11; 19:5, 9; 21:28-31; 1 Corinthians 6:10; 2 Corinthians 12:20).
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do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites and Jack Howell! -- Sola Scriptura's Observations, 18:56:06 10/07/02 Mon
do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites and Jack Howell!
Everything Jack does is before men and for the benifit of Rev. Jack Howell. Life is ALL ABOUT JACK! Look at his posts:
Author: Rev. Jack Howell/ Date Posted: 18:08:14 10/07/02 Mon Subject: Update
”Well, I saw the doctor this afternoon, and learned that the antibiotics that were previously prescribed did not touch the bacteria causing the pnbeumonia in the lower lobe of my right lung. A different antibiotic has been prescribed.
"ME ME ME ME ME ME!!!!!!!"
Author: Rev. Jack Howell /Date Posted: 03:55:32 10/07/02 Mon
In reply to: P. Gigh Schken 's message, "It Bounces Funny, Don't It?" on 03:55:32 10/07/02 Mon
Subject: Another of Soily's Aliases NOTE: Dori corrected him. Thanks dori!
”She can't stand the fact that a Pentecostal preacher got the best of her, so now she is OBSESSED with it and out of that sick obsession, she is spamming this board under different names.
"ME ME ME ME ME ME!!!!!!!"
Author: Rev. Jack Howell /Date Posted: 18:01:47 10/07/02 Mon Subject: Note
”Since certain individuals thrive on the strife they try to create, I have decided I am not going to be party to it, and am simply going to agree to disagree and move on to other discussions here so that Christ and Him alone will be glorified, rather than the flesh.”
"ME ME ME ME ME ME!!!!!!!"
Author: Rev. Jack Howell / Date Posted: 18:12:02 10/07/02 Mon
”It is time for all genuine Believers to put aside difference and come together in prayer against the nut case sniper who has killed several people in the suburbs of Washington D.C. His latest victim is a 13 year old boy shot outside his school. The boy is in critical condition. I think it is paramount that Believers pray against this individual and his evil actions. Will you do that?”
Matthew 6
Prayer
1 "Beware of practicing your righteousness before men (1) to be noticed by them; otherwise you have no reward with your Father who is in heaven. NIV
Mark 11
25 "Whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against anyone, so that your Father who is in heaven will also forgive you your transgressions.
Isaiah 58
5 "Is it a fast like this which I choose, a day for a man to humble himself?
Is it for bowing one's head like a reed
And for spreading out sackcloth and ashes as a bed?
Will you call this a fast, even an acceptable day to the LORD? NIV
Luke 18
11 "The Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself: 'God, I thank You that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector.
13 "But the tax collector, standing some distance away, was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me, the sinner!'
JACK HOWELL THE SELF-IMPORTANT PRARISEE!
Matthew 6
1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. KJV
Matthew 6
1TAKE CARE not to do your good deeds publicly or before men, in order to be seen by them; otherwise you will have no reward [[1] reserved for and awaiting you] with and from your Father Who is in heaven.
2Thus, whenever you give to the poor, do not blow a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites in the synagogues and in the streets like to do, that they may be [2] recognized and honored and praised by men. Truly I tell you, they have their reward [3] in full already. AMP
Matthew 6
5 "When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to (1) stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners (2) so that they may be seen by men. (3) Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. NIV
Matthew 23
5 "But they do all their deeds (1) to be noticed by men; for they (2) broaden their [1] phylacteries and lengthen (3) the tassels of their garments. NIV
(the following is how Jack signs his name!)Think about how much time the internet whore could save if he stopped referencing himself as “reverend” OR stopping adding such verbose appellations to his signatures as:
"The Rev. Jack Howell,
Bishop,
Director of Revealed Truth Ministries
in Oklahoma City, OK,
and PFAI State Presbyter of Oklahoma"
Now THERE is a HUMBLE SERVENT!
Beezle-Bishop is a wolf who readily attaches himself to the title of “bishop” like a common leach, yet he declines any of the attending burdens of accountability or responsibility. He demands prayer and does his alms before men to ba admired by them! The Rt Rev has demonstrated an ability to overlook many of scriptural demands placed on the title he covets. He has accused Willie T, Maynard G Crebbs, Tina, byron, and Louise of being Sola Scriptura. Not one single apology for all the slander of her! NONE! He demanded IP#’s and dori told him SAK and Sola were not involved. You are an accuser of the brethren! Your “PRAYERS BEFORE MEN ARE A STENCH IN THE NOSTRILS OF A HOLY AND RIGHTEOUS GOD!” He is a virtue-less person who brings disgrace to himself, to Christ, and to the very church he claims to represent.
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Jack Fails 1 Tim 3:1-7 Miserably In EVERY WAY! -- Sola Scriptura, 21:05:47 09/21/02 Sat
Nice to see your site is back up RT Rev. Why don't you show some humility and charity. Don't blame others when you are down. We here are Christians NOT SEE-ERS and "false prophets" as the circle you like to run with!
What is his excuse for pages supposedly "under construction" for a year at a time???? HUMMM? So why does Rt. Rev. become indignant for others connecting the dots based on his HISTORY?????
THIS FROM Rt. Reverend's Site:
"I have been named by Pentecostal Faith Assemblies as its new Bishop. If you would like information about PFAI,......."
"He has been "named".....INDEED! That sounds better than the REAL story, doesn't it.
Kind of a S-T-R-E-T-C-H... and...E-M-B-E-L-L-I-S-H-M-E-N-T .. the real way things happened, aren't they????
QUESTION: HOW WAS HE "ORDAINED?"
According to Jack, he prayed about it and another guy prayed too. VOILA!
POOF!! Jack named HIMSELF bishop!
They decided together that Jack was to be a "bishop!" A FACT. End of the saga. Now Rt. Rev. claims to ORDAIN OTHERS! What a sham and abomination!!!!!
We know Rt. Rev. is over qualified in his own eyes.....but..... How does jack measure up to the Bible's qualifications?? Was he called of GOD, or was he called of JACK???
1 Tim 3:1-7
1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
(KJV)
YOU FAILED EVERY TEST, YOU FRAUDULENT "bishop" You will give an account.
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Re: Jack Fails 1 Tim 3:1-7 Miserably In EVERY WAY! -- Sola Scriptura, 23:14:13 09/21/02 Sat
BTW Rt Revy Cuppy-Cake: The post you tried to savage? No banana.
Those were direct cut and pastes off your links.
We who walk in the Light don't need to make things up to confront error and heretics.
Say: Won't Willa let you out of the house for vacation? Aw shucks!
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Re: Jack Fails 1 Tim 3:1-7 Miserably In EVERY WAY! -- Jillie T, 11:29:35 10/07/02 Mon
Think about how much time the internet whore could save if he stopped referencing himself as “reverend” OR stopping adding such verbose appellations to his signatures as:
"The Rev. Jack Howell,
Bishop,
Director of Revealed Truth Ministries
in Oklahoma City, OK,
and PFAI State Presbyter of Oklahoma"
Now THERE is a HUMBLE SERVENT!
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Checking Heretic's Source: http://www.tbm.org/heresy.htm -- Exposing Vain Janglers - jingle jingle jingle, 00:02:35 09/16/02 Mon
VAIN Jangler Jack Howell says THIS:"Here is an interesting article about a Pastor's encounter with a so-called "heresy hunter." The "heresy hunter" sounds just like "Sola" and "SAK" who do not know the Word of God, but misuse and abuse it!
http://www.tbm.org/heresy.htm"
These are from HIS source whom he endorses. Let's take a brief look at Jack Howell's discernment regarding who he feels is BIBLICALLY SOUND.
TOM BROWN SAYS ALL OF THE FOLLOWING:
What does Jesus really look like?
by Tom Brown
”By the grace of God I was privileged to see Jesus Christ in a vision.”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
about his book: “Tom Brown teaches you how to take God’s Word, believe it correctly, and confess it out of your mouth properly in order to predict your future. As you read this book, you will find out...
* How to prophesy your future
* Why your words are powerful
* How to believe for your healing
As you learn to discern God's will for your life, you will develop the ability to predict your future.
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"Apparitions of Mary:" (His wife is Latina AND Co-Pastor of his church he has a section about women being pastors!)
”Acclaimed pastor, Tom Brown, discusses not only this apparition but the apparitions of the Miraculous Medal and Fatima in a special cassette tape. In this teaching you’ll learn:
* The messages behind these apparitions
* How biblical prophecy fits into these apparitions
* How to discern a true apparition from a false one
* Why there will be more apparitions
* The true meaning behind the name Guadalupe
.......the link above has these quotes in their entirety, this is a cafeteria of false teachings at this site!
I TIMOTHY 1
3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,
4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling...
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Tome Brown is of the devil just like jack howell is -- jack howell is demon possessed, 06:28:39 09/16/02 Mon
>VAIN Jangler Jack Howell says THIS:"Here is an
>interesting article about a Pastor's encounter with a
>so-called "heresy hunter." The "heresy hunter" sounds
>just like "Sola" and "SAK" who do not know the Word of
>God, but misuse and abuse it!
>
>http://www.tbm.org/heresy.htm"
>
>These are from HIS source whom he endorses. Let's take
>a brief look at Jack Howell's discernment
>regarding who he feels is BIBLICALLY SOUND.
>
>
>TOM BROWN SAYS ALL OF THE FOLLOWING:
>
>What does Jesus really look like?
>by Tom Brown
>
>”By the grace of God I was privileged to see
>Jesus Christ in a vision.”
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>about his book: “Tom Brown teaches you how to take
>GodÂ’s Word, believe it correctly, and confess it out
>of your mouth properly in order to predict your
>future. As you read this book, you will find out...
>* How to prophesy your future
>* Why your words are powerful
>* How to believe for your healing
>As you learn to discern God's will for your life,
>you will develop the ability to predict your
>future.
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>"Apparitions of Mary:" (His wife is Latina AND
>Co-Pastor of his church he has a section about women
>being pastors!)
>
>”Acclaimed pastor, Tom Brown, discusses not only
>this apparition but the apparitions of the Miraculous
>Medal and Fatima in a special cassette tape. In this
>teaching youÂ’ll learn:
>
>* The messages behind these apparitions
>* How biblical prophecy fits into these apparitions
>* How to discern a true apparition from a false one
>
>* Why there will be more apparitions
>* The true meaning behind the name Guadalupe
>
>.......the link above has these quotes in their
>entirety, this is a cafeteria of false teachings at
>this site!
>
>I TIMOTHY 1
>
>3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I
>went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some
>that they teach no other doctrine,
>
>4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies,
>which minister questions, rather than godly edifying
>which is in faith: so do.
>
>5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a
>pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith
>unfeigned:
>
>6 From which some having swerved have turned aside
>unto vain jangling...
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Re: Checking Heretic's Source: http://www.tbm.org/heresy.htm -- Exposing Vain Janglers - jingle jingle jingle, 06:49:05 09/16/02 Mon
Let’s take Jack BACK to school and re-examine what was said and NOT afford him the opportunity to CONFUSE and DISTORT and MISREPRESENT the FACTS.
My post:” VAIN Jangler Jack Howell says THIS: ….."Here is an interesting article about a Pastor's encounter with a so-called "heresy hunter." The "heresy hunter" sounds just like "Sola" and "SAK" who do not know the Word of God, but misuse and abuse it!
http://www.tbm.org/heresy.htm"
The above post was the Vain Jangler’s original post in its entirety.
Here is the MAIN POINT I was addressing in my subsequent post:
" sounds just like "Sola" and "SAK" who do not know the Word of God, but misuse and abuse it!
http://www.tbm.org/heresy.htm"
Two sentences. What did he say? VAIN Jangler is stating that Sola and Sak ”MISUSE and ABUSE SCRIPTURE!” He is ALSO inferring that this “Pastor’s” Biblical acumen is SOUND compared to our application. Any logical person sees that.
In an effort to divert attention from the REAL salient point of my post, Jack once AGAIN does what he always does to distort the facts as all deceivers do; and CONFUSE a very simple premise that is LOGICALLY to be gleaned from his original post.
VAIN Jangler beginning response: ”Let's see now. On the basis of one article dealing with Brown's encounter with a heresy hunter, Sola ASSUMES that I endorse all of Pastor Brown's teachings. That is one big problem with the so-called heresy hunters. They make assumptions that have no basis in fact, then present their assumptions as fact while ignoring all the evidence to the contrary.” blah. blah. blah…. (off down some bumpy road of murky confusion and dialectical tactic)
No. the ASSUMPTION WAS THAT HIS SOURCE HAS SOUNDER BIBLICAL ACCUMEN THAN SAK & SOLA. PERIOD.
IF JACK IS GOING TO HOLD OTHERS UP TO RIDICULE AND SUGGEST THAT A CERTAIN “PASTOR SO&SO” IS A “VICTIM” OF PERSONS SUCH AS SAK AND SOLA SCRIPTURA’S ”ALLEGED ABUSE AND MISUSE IT IS ABSOLUTELY FAIR GAME AND ESSENTIAL THAT THIS SUPERIOUR PASTOR’S BIBLICAL ACCUMEN AND BELIEFS BE EXAMINED WITH THE SAME SCRUTINY HE USES FOR OTHERS! – YOU BETCHA!
….and anything else is not worth the time to sift through. We will continue to expose his sources and his error without being sidetracked by his games and misrepresentations.
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Re: Checking Heretic's Source: http://www.tbm.org/heresy.htm -- Exposing FAKE Bishops, 10:13:27 10/07/02 Mon
I wonder if this is where he got his 350 (LOL&L&L) "poofs" as Barney Frank would say...."where's tha poof?"
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gerard asks: "how can Psychology help us defend against Satan?" -- lurker, 22:41:34 10/05/02 Sat
the unregenerate gerard asks: "how can Psychology help us defend against Satan?"
You CAN'T! How can you use Satan to drive out Satan? Jesus knows your thoughts gerard.
Matthew 12
25 "Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, "Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand.
26 If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? "
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How Beezle-Bubba Became "anointed" In One Sprinkle or Less -- he certainly "annoys" ME!, 22:31:02 10/05/02 Sat
"On Saturday October 5th we will celebrate the Blessing of the Animals. St. Francis of Assisi (1181-1226) was legendary for his kind ways with animals and people alike. To commemorate this great saint, please plan to join us at 10:00 a.m. on the Cathedral plaza for the blessing of the animals (pets). Please bring your pets - dogs, cats, guinea pigs, hamsters, fish, etc. If your pet is too large to bring (horse, etc.) bring a picture for the blessing."
Willa took her pet picture of Jack because he was too large to carry!
THEN:*POOFERS!* Another bishop dotted the earth.
.....this is not a problemo. Willa still cleans THOSE up after him too.
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One Rotten "Bishop" Ruins the WHOLE Barrel - REPENT! Rev. PFAKE! -- an excellent re-post from Tamarisk, 20:54:30 10/05/02 Sat
A "little" leaven leavens the "whole" lump. ONE rotten apple in a barrel of good apples "ruins" the WHOLE BARREL. No way will the good apples renew the rotten apple, although they are many.
Heb 10:28-31
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
(KJV)
Most Churches today are not the CHURCH, and the few that are, are falling into the "last days apostasy" really fast. (2 Thess 2:2-3) Most churches of today are plumb full of unbelievers from the pew to the pulpit.
The church building is full of those who don't BELIEVE GOD because they don't FEAR GOD.
Matt 10:28
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
(KJV)
IT IS A FEARFUL THING TO FALL INTO THE HANDS OF THE LIVING GOD
So-What Now.
2 Cor 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
Eph 5:21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
CONCLUSION
Eccl 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
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jingle, jingle, jingle....PFAKE Jangler Jack has pretensions as "Divinely Anointed Bishop" -- jingle bells' "church" & "fellowship/ministry" are a PO BOX!, 20:51:12 10/05/02 Sat
Jack Howell the Jangler With Great Pretensions as a “Divinely Anointed Bishop” jangle, jangle, jangle, jingle, jing, jing, jing……..
1 Timothy 1:6 Precisely Nails Pretentious Bishop Wannabe Jack
.....”From which some having swerved…….”
Paul, the apostle, in this verse and the next, describes the persons he suspected of teaching other doctrines, such as Jack’s promoting the teachings of Finis Dake and Kenyon’s heresies, and “Daddy Hagin’s” WOF heresies, and of their introducing fables such as all who know Jack have witnessed. They were such who departed from sound doctrine, as has Jack. They erred from the commandment, or law, in spite of their great pretensions to a regard it. Jack likes to flash his fluff sites and fluffy title as pretense. But he, like those of whom Paul spoke missed the mark, the end and design of it; they went astray from that, and instead of promoting charity or love, created feuds, contentions, and divisions in the churches; and were far from having a pure heart, being filthy dreamers, and sensual persons, destitute of the Spirit of God, and were such who put away a good conscience, and made shipwreck of faith: such were Hymenaeus, Philetus, Alexander, and others, of whom he also says, they….
".......have turned aside to vain jangling;"
which he elsewhere calls empty talk, and vain babblings, (1 Timothy 6:20) (2 Timothy 2:16) , from the solid doctrines of the Gospel, and a solid way of handling them, they turned to vain, idle, useless, and unprofitable subjects of discourse, and to treating upon subjects in a vain, jejune, and empty manner; entertaining their hearers with foolish and trifling questions and answers to them about the law, and with strifes about words, which were unserviceable and unedifying; they were unruly and vain talkers, (Titus 1:10) .
CAN YOU SAY VAIN JANGLER JACK?????
Jack Howell the Jangler With Great Pretensions as a “Divinely Anointed Bishop” jangle, jangle, jangle, jingle, jing, jing, jing……..
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Who Does THE VAIN Jangler Jack Howell Think He Is Fooling??? -- Sola Scriptura, 19:18:28 10/05/02 Sat
The following three re-posts from Jack Howell demonstrate a corrupt man in conflict who is without any moral compass. They speak for themselves.
HERE IS JACK VAINLY JANGLING OUT OF ONE SIDE OF HIS MOUTH:
Author: Rev. Jack Howell
Date Posted: 20:05:19 10/05/02 Sat
……”Your traditions of men will not accept the truth, because truth requires change, and you are not willing or ready to drop your man-made traditions and change…… I truly feel sorry for you.”
HERE IS JACK VAINLY JANGLING OUT OF THE ..O-T-H-E-R ..SIDE OF HIS BOCA AHALF AN HOUR LATER ON THE SAME DAY!
”Author: Rev. Jack Howell
Date Posted: 20:38:09 10/05/02 Sat
Do early commentators record that Junia was a female apostle?
Dr. Leonard Swidler states, "To the best of my knowledge, no commentator on the Text until Aegidus of Rome (1245-1316……..blah, blah, blah
1Aida Besancon Spencer, Beyond the Curse, page 102.
2 Galatians 1:18-24
3 United Bible Societies Handbook Series, (1961-1997) for Romans 16:7
4 Thayer’s Greek Definitions 652 apostolos—a delegate, a messenger, one sent forth with orders a) specifically applied to the twelve apostles of Christ b) in a broader sense, applied to other eminent Christian teachers.
5 Leonard Swidler, Biblical Affirmations of Women, Westminster Press (1979) p. 299
6 Charles Trombley, Who Said Women Can’t Teach, Bridge Publishing (1985) p. 190
7 Catholic Encyclopedia, 1913 edition, article on Pope Boniface VIII
8 New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1967 edition, Vol. 2, article on Pope Boniface VIII
9 From papal bull, Unam Sanctam, Nov. 1302, as quoted in The Encyclopedia of Religion, 1995, Vol. 1, PP 288-289.
10 Elizabeth M. Makowski, Canon Law and Cloistered Women, http://cuapress.cua.edu
11 Book review of Women in the Days of the Cathedrals by Regine Pernoud, translated by Anne Cote-Harriss, p. 2. Online: www.ignatius.com/magazines/hpr/Hprbooks.htm
12 Catholic Encyclopedia, (1913), “Pope Boniface VIII”
13 “Junia”, The Anchor Bible Dictionary, (1992), Vol. 3, p. 1127
14 Women in Scripture, editor Carol Meyers, (2000), article “Junia” by Bernadette J. Brooten, p. 109”
MORE FROM THE VAIN JANGLER:
“Subject: Again A Tradition of Men, Rather Than The Unadulterated Word of God
Author:Rev. Jack Howell
Date Posted: 14:06:06 10/05/02 Sat
”How many times do you need to be told that I reject traditions of men, before you finally get it through your head?”
QUESTION: DOES ANYONE NEED A DIAGRAM?
Rt. Rev PFAKE is a wolf who readily attaches himself to the title of “bishop” like a common leach, yet he declines any of the attending burdens of accountability or responsibility. The Rt Rev has demonstrated an ability to overlook many of scriptural demands placed on the title he covets. He is a virtue-less person who brings disgrace to himself, to Christ, and to the very church he claims to represent.
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THE VAIN Jangler's Source Includes The WHORE on MAN's TRADITIONS! -- PFAKE is a virtue-less person who brings disgrace to himself, 20:02:48 10/05/02 Sat
How can this person face a mirror?
“Subject: Again A Tradition of Men, Rather Than
The Unadulterated Word of God
Author:Rev. Jack Howell
”How many times do you need to be told that I reject traditions of men, before you finally get it through your head?”
WILL HE EVER GET REAL WITH HIMSELF?????
If Rev. PFAKE "rejects the traditions of men" and their all teachings......why is he constantly STEALING their material and forcing their plagiarized works to do his speaking for him? The Holy Bible does not teach a doctrine of women apostles.
Only the TRADITIONS of MEN TEACH A DOCTRINE OF WOMEN APOSTLES! SO JACKALS HAS TO TURN TO MAN FOR HIS SOURCES! BOTTOM LINE: THE HOLY WORD OF GOD DOES NOT TEACH A DOCTRINE OF WOMEN APOSTLES! PERIOD!!!
Additionally, it is noteworthy that many of PFAKE’S reference sources in the above list which he used to support his claim favoring women “apostles” in the church were from the Roman Catholic church. THE WHORE OF ALL MAN’S TRADITIONS!
HOW this man can state that he rejects “man’s traditions” while quoting them and allowing man’s traditions to continuously do his biding? Who does he think is speaking for him when he plagiarized more than 400 articles as he does his smarmy internet whoring! Are not Dake’s comments and all the Dake commentaries he steals from; TRADITIONS OF MAN? Or Has Rev. PFAKE elevated Finis Dake to Divinity as he seems to have elevated himself?
Rt. Rev PFAKE is a wolf who readily attaches himself to the title of “bishop” like a common leach, yet he declines any of the attending burdens of accountability or responsibility. The Rt Rev has demonstrated an ability to overlook many of scriptural
demands placed on the title he covets. He denies the CLEAR teachings of the Bible and turns to the TRADITIONS OF MEN when ever it suits his needs.
He is a virtue-less person who brings disgrace to himself, to Christ, and to the very church he claims to represent.
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Tamarisk Addressed Psalm 23 -- Sola Scriptura, 22:49:11 10/04/02 Fri
Serpent Egg Jackals says: "Sola's View of Psalm 23 Rev. Jack Howell 18:49:26 10/03/02 Thu
I guess he is so vacant that he has to re-cycle old plagiarized material that he stole and has been regurgitating. What folly to presume that to be my view of Psalm 23. Doesn't the poor devil have anything more important to do than invent slander? What a mental case. No wonder he has no credibility and is so disrespected.
RE-POST FROM: Tamarisk
Date Posted: 11:34:53 08/15/02 Thu
"You referenced either a Dorito or "Car Jack" post containing "A heresy hunter's view of Psalm 23."
It never ceases to amaze me how they can pick scripture which should directly convict and prick THEM in the heart by it's Holy Truth. It has been said, this little Davidic Psalm contains a large book of its own.
It is a beautiful thing to behold how a Mighty G_d can condescend to such a lowly, human understanding to call Himself a shepherd. However the most important word in verse one is "my." What right does the psalmist, or any man, have to call the Lord Yehovah "my shepherd?" The answer, of course, is found in the previous Psalm.
It is interesting that Franklin D. Roosevelt spoke of four freedoms in a speech while he was president:
1. Freedom from want
2. Freedom from fear
3. Freedom of speech
4. Freedom of religion
Those who abide in the presence of the Shepherd never lack for temporal things.
There are two thoughts about the green pastures in verse 2. Spurgeon understood green pastures to be the place of most substantial feeding of the sheep. Others see a reference to the Lord's rest in the phrase, "he maketh me to lie down in green pastures." There was and is a lack of green pastures in Palestine, so the sheep must be led from pasture to pasture. When once a pasture is found, it is there they rest before moving on to the next pasture. Here we see the perfect balance between rest and activity.
Still waters assumes the same role as green pastures. Still waters run deep. Any deep experience with the Shepherd can only be accomplished by time spent with the Shepherd, as the words "lie down" indicate.
Not only is physical sustenance provided by the Good Shepherd, but spiritual restoration is provided as well. When the soul becomes sorrowful, He revives it. When our spirit becomes weak, He reinvigorates it. We have freedom from depletion, for every time we would stray, as a sheep would, He brings us back.
The Kumbaya/R1/Rev Jackal's crowd would do well to understand the above. They are steeped deep in Charismatic confusion, Apostolic Pentecostal lies straight from the One World-NWO church from Hell. While the psalmist, in verse 3, references "paths of righteousness," they consistantly go down rabbit trails to oblivion, instead of paths of pleasantness and peace.(Proverbs 3:17) This is why they cannot sustain and maintain the letter and intent of Susan's rules at the top of the page. It's not in there heart. It's not there because they lack discernment and the leading of His Holy Spirit.
The Good Shepherd leading is out of pure grace, to bring honor to the Great Shepherd that we keep the commandments of the Word and walk in the narrow way of righteousness. Dorito still wants to walk down Broadway. I have seen many a Dorito steet in cities across AmeriKa named Broadway. However, in all my travels, I have never see one named "Narrow Path."
There is a very intimate statement in verse 4. Probaby too much so for the Kumbaya Crowd. It is the reason why we "fear no evil." David, who referred to G_d as "he" elsewhere, now uses the more intimate "thou." This makes "The Lord is my shepherd" now to be seen in his direct address to the G_d of heaven. When we come to know Abba G_d personally through His Son Y'shua, we may then understand why we don't fear.
The rod and staff of the shepherd are tools of his office. By them, he guides sheep. They indicate sovereignty over his sheep. While passing thorough the darkness of wrong and false doctrines in the world, the sheep know that the gentle tap of the shepherd's crook or of his rod is designed for their safe passage. Thus, the sheep of the Good Shepherd heed His gentle leading.
What the Kumbaya Crowd(this includes Rev Jackals) understand is verse 5. G_d did not command use to eat on the run but prepare a table for a meal in the presence of our enemies. My own meal has lasted over 4 years before the likes of the typical Kumbaya'er/Pacadorian/Rev Jack, etc. Nothing is hurried; there is no confusion. We are with the Great Shepherd, and even in the midst of our enemies there is perfect peace.
The oil the shepherd carried in a small flask was used to annoint the scratched faces of sheep that had to find their food among the thorns and thistles. We must have the oil of the Holy Spirit of G_d and its filling and soothing. It is by Him we have an unction without which we cannot be a true believer. In all that, by cup runneth over. A cup running over symbolizes abundance because it is filled to overflowing. We preach the Whole Word of G_d and its timeless truth that we may be filled to overflowing with the Holy Spirit of G_d.
In all that, goodness and mercy will not just follow a believer but will remain in constant persuit. They actively seek us out when walking with the Good Shepherd. They are present in times of feasting, as well as times of fasting "all they days of my life."
The house of the Lord here does not imply a church. It does, however, imply The Church and its communion with G_d. As a child of G_d who walks in the pasth of the Good Shepherd, we are always at home with G_d. This indicates sonship, for the servant never abides in the house.
This is the fifth freedom which Roosevelt DID NOT touch upon:
FREEDOM FROM DISERTION
The Shepherd has promised us:
I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee" (Hebrews 13:5), and wheter through green pastures, the still waters, through the valley of deth, or in the presence of our enemies, we know He is always there.
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We at This Forum Certainly Have Our Arguments With Falwell BUT..... -- Sistah Dolly Happy Feets, 23:21:00 10/03/02 Thu
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REV. JERRY FALWELL CALLS THE PROPHET MOHAMMED 'A TERRORIST'
The Rev. Jerry Falwell will call Islam’s founder and most sacred figure, Mohammed, "a terrorist" on 60 MINUTES this Sunday night, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.
“I think Mohammed was a terrorist. I read enough…by both Muslims and non-Muslims, [to decide] that he was a violent man, a man of war,” Falwell tells CBS. “In my opinion…Jesus set the example for love, as did Moses, and I think Mohammed set an opposite example.”
Falwell hits total controversy while affirming the Christian Right’s steadfast support for the state of Israel against its Islamic enemies.
The interview with CBS reporter Bob Simon, in which Falwell hints that the Christian Right influences U.S. government policy toward Israel, has been set for broadcast, network sources say.
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Falwell sent a personal protest to President Bush, and the White House received 100,000 e-mail protests from Christians when Bush urged Israel to remove its forces from Palestinian towns earlier this year. Falwell believes Bush is well aware of the Christian constituency. “There are 70 million of us…[and] there’s nothing that would bring the wrath of the Christian public in this country down on this government like abandoning or opposing Israel on a critical matter,” Falwell tells Simon.
Falwell and conservative Christians support the Israelis and condemn their enemies because they believe the triumph of Israel is God’s will. The Jews’ return to their ancient homeland – and sole ownership of the territories Arabs and Israelis both lay claim to -- is a precondition for the second coming of Christ, according to the Fundamentalist Evangelical Christians’ interpretation of the Bible. The Biblical scenario is not a savory one for many Jews, however. “God save us from these people,” says Israeli political analyst Yossi Alpher. “When you see what these people are encouraging Israel and the U.S. to do…ignore the Palestinians, kick them out…they are leading us into a scenario of out-and-out disaster,” he tells Simon.
But disaster is part of the scenario. Many Fundamentalist Evangelicals believe there will be catastrophic events on earth, some occurring already, including the turmoil in the Middle East, culminating in the Battle of Armageddon in which Christ will triumph and begin ruling the earth. At this point, they believe, non-believers will be destroyed, good Christians saved and any remaining Jews converted to Christianity.
Says Ed McAteer, a founder of the Moral Majority and known as the godfather of the Christian Right, “I believe that we are seeing prophecy unfold so rapidly and dramatically and wonderfully, and, without exaggeration, [it] makes me breathless.”
......watch, Howellweenie will call Falwell my "GURU" Like he did the recent article I published from some man I had never heard of previously! Now he is my "GURU" What an UNDISCERNING FOOL! LOL ....AND that Tamarisk and Falwell are not saved, or "real ministers"......what a pant load PFAKE is. The man is a gnat! FOFL!
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Re: We at This Forum Certainly Have Our Arguments With Falwell BUT..... -- tamarisk, 12:54:37 10/04/02 Fri
I didn't read the whole of the article but Falwell is an irritation. While he considers himself Evangelical(actually Neo-Evangelical), he is hardly a fundamentalist. He lied a few years ago stated he would alway keep Thomas Road Baptist Church an Independent Baptist Church. However, it was not long after, he aligned them with the Southren Baptist Convention. The SBC has many liberal elements within its ranks, as ordained over 1,000 women from its bible universities, and is heavily entrenched in the Masonic Lodge of Freemasonry. About 25% of SBC pastors and deacons are lodge members.
That "70 million" Falwell mentions have about the same knowledge of Scriture as Falwell. One which is skewed. These are the same "Christian" folks who yammered during the past presidential election stating, "Christians must support OwlGore with Joseph Leiberman as the VP choice. In their minds, you must support the ticket with a Jew on it to "be right with G_d." Thus, you are supporting Israel.
Your typical Kumbaya/Pacadorian Christian cannot discern who or what is a Jew. What has and will happen to the Nation Israel is told in the Book of Zechariah. In Chapters 9-14:21 gives the Two Burdens. They give the thought of Israel's relationship to the four gentile world powers, chapters 1-8 pertain to Israel as they were under the Medo-Persian Empire; chapters 9-10 pertain to Israel as they were under the Grecian World Empire; chapter 11 pertains to Israel under the Roman World Empire; and chapters 12-14 pertain to Israel after the times of the Gentiles has come to an end, and time when G_d will purify the nation and Messiah will visibly reign over it.
There is a message for Mags here in Chapter 13(verse 7) concerning the truth of a Triune G_d. G_d is not the author of confusion. The Lord of hosts refers to His(My) Shepherd and a contrast to the false prophets mentioned earlier in chapter 13.
The dual nature of Y'shua HaMechiach is set forth here. The man indicates that He is 100% man; my fellow(Hebrew 'amit--fellow, friend, companion, associate) indicates that He is 100% G_d. There is no stronger way that the Lord of hosts could say that His shepherd is His equal--G_d of very G_d!
Y'shua applied the smiting of the Shepherd and the sheep, not only to his disciples, but to the dispersion of Israel as a nation. The Lord promises He will intervene on behalf of the remnant, described as "little ones," as an expression of tender affection for them.
Falwell impresses me as one of those false prophets with an agenda. Luther, it must be remembered, was a great supporter of Jews until the end of his life. He became bitter because Jews were not converting to Christianity as fast as he thought they should. Luther, and not Hitler, fostered the idea of marking Jews with an armband with the Mogan David, the Star of David.
The Mogan David is a perversion, a sign of evil among the Nation Israel. If I were Prime Minister for a day, I would erase it from the Israeli flag. The Israeli flag, minus the Mogan David, is an exact copy of the Tallit, the prayer shawl. That is the commandment of the Mosaic Law to border the Tallit in blue. Many, such as mine, have the first verses of the Shema embroidered on it. There are some boardered in black signifying mourning for the destruction of the Temple. The only major difference between the Tallit and the True Israeli flag is the Tallit has zitzit(tassles with knots) on the corners. Another commandment of the Law. Those knots exactly correspond with the Hebraic Aleph-Bet. There are numerical values for the consonants in the Hebrew Aleph-Bet.
The name of G_d in the Hebrew is Yud-Hah-Vav-Hah based upon the Aleph-Bet and corresponds with the exact number of knots in the zitzit. This, every Jewish man knew what Y'shua taught about entering into their prayer closet. You just enter into your prayer tent by coverning your head with the Tallit, holding the zitzit in your hands. Thus, you are holding the very name of G_d in your hands while you pray.
Falwell needs to repent of his Neo-Evangelical slippery, slope of compromise.
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jingle, jingle, jingle....PFAKE Jangler Jack has pretensions as "Divinely Anointed Bishop" -- Sola Scriptura's Observations, 10:03:50 10/04/02 Fri
Jack Howell the Jangler With Great Pretensions as a “Divinely Anointed Bishop” jangle, jangle, jangle, jingle, jing, jing, jing……..
1 Timothy 1:6 Precisely Nails Pretentious Bishop Wannabe Jack
”From which some having swerved…….”
Paul, the apostle, in this verse and the next, describes the persons he suspected of teaching other doctrines, such as Jack’s promoting the teachings of Finis Dake and Kenyon’s heresies, and “Daddy Hagin’s” WOF heresies, and of their introducing fables such as all who know Jack have witnessed. They were such who departed from sound doctrine, as has Jack. They erred from the commandment, or law, in spite of their great pretensions to a regard it. Jack likes to flash his fluff sites and fluffy title as pretense. But he, like those of whom Paul spoke missed the mark, the end and design of it; they went astray from that, and instead of promoting charity or love, created feuds, contentions, and divisions in the churches; and were far from having a pure heart, being filthy dreamers, and sensual persons, destitute of the Spirit of God, and were such who put away a good conscience, and made shipwreck of faith: such were Hymenaeus, Philetus, Alexander, and others, of whom he also says, they….
have turned aside to vain jangling;
which he elsewhere calls empty talk, and vain babblings, (1 Timothy 6:20) (2 Timothy 2:16) , from the solid doctrines of the Gospel, and a solid way of handling them, they turned to vain, idle, useless, and unprofitable subjects of discourse, and to treating upon subjects in a vain, jejune, and empty manner; entertaining their hearers with foolish and trifling questions and answers to them about the law, and with strifes about words, which were unserviceable and unedifying; they were unruly and vain talkers, (Titus 1:10) .
CAN YOU SAY VAIN JANGLER JACK?????
Jack Howell the Jangler With Great Pretensions as a “Divinely Anointed Bishop” jangle, jangle, jangle, jingle, jing, jing, jing……..
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Jack Jangles Has Spurs That Jingle-Jangle-Jingle........ -- Ride Um Cowboy, 10:12:39 10/04/02 Fri
The Jangler’s Jingle song
(I got spurs) Jingle jangle jingle (thay thar fellas….you silly savages! wink* )
Yippee yeah, there’ll be no wedding bells for today! (won’t Willa be happy happy happy!)
I got spurs that jingle, jangle, jingle,
as I go ridin’ merrily along. (ride em swishy pink cowboy, mince, mince, mince)
And they sing : “Away, too glad, you’re single!” wink-wink
and that song ain’t so very far from wrong. (wink wink)
Oh Mary Ann, oh Mary Ann,
though I’ve done some moonlight walking this is why I up and went.
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Oh Willa S., oh Willa S.,
though I’d love to stay forever this is why I can’t remain.
+ CHORUS Oh Brucie, oh Brucie,
though we’ve done a heap of dreamin’ (in the bathhouse it’s a steamin)
CHORUS So I’ll go jingeling, a-jangeling a-jingaling along.La da da, la, da, da
Cuz that’s what I do best is jangle.
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Tamarisk -- Sola Scriptura, 21:56:21 10/03/02 Thu
Does it get any more inane?
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Subject: Do you think Jesus was a Conservative?
Author:WOG
Date Posted: 10:55:32 10/03/02 Thu
In reply to: dori 's message, "Re: Response to dori (Hi WOG) from below." on 10:55:32 10/03/02 Thu
"This is my opinion and maybe Jack and others may disagree with me here. I don't think Jesus was a Conservative. I rather think Jesus was a Centurist in His Spirit in that if politics were His concern, He would see good in ALL political aspirations, but He would also point out that evil can also come from ALL political aspirations. Take for instance the environment. This is certainly not a Conservative priority but yet God right at the beginning instructs man to REPLENISH (subdue) the earth.
Genesis 2:15
15 The LORD God placed the man in the Garden of Eden to tend and care for it.
I think man is doing a terrible job in this area. In my particular area, our province under Conservative government cutbacks suffered a setback last year when 7 people died as a result of e-coli bacteria found in the water system. They previously deemed the water to be safe for drinking and there was NO NEED for the present spending at the time. Truth is the money saved in spending brought no fruitfulness in any other area except for big corporations. It is a very touchy area for me. I see all governments the same."
That's because you are an uninformed relativistic idiot! That is just beyond stoopid! Hey! NUCCkle-Head Move to Cuba or Iraq if "all governments are the same" Before you head out for greener pastures....DO name for us specific NAMES of these "conservatives" who wish to poison the waters THEY and their famlies TOO drink. Maybe he would like to play his holy joe games in Uzbekistan. Is your brain connected to your mouth NUCCkle-Head?
From Dollars ans Sense magazine 1999 (Wasted on Glue, aka "NOOTCH!" as his friends call him, can ignore the "Sense" part) "In the sleepy fishing village of Veldur in India, Sadhana Bhalekar, a young woman in her mid-twenties, was taking a bath on the morning of June 3, 1997 when police broke down her door, beat her retarded nephew, and mercilessly dragged her naked out of her house. They beat and then arrested her. She was three months pregnant at the time. The police officer in charge reportedly said, "This is Baba Bhalekar's wife, bash her head on the road." Why? Vithal "Baba" Bhalekar, is a leading opponent of the Houston-based Dabhol Power project- the largest power plant in the world-in the state of Maharashtra, India." Maybe the Indian government better suits NOOTCH!
No wonder he espouses psychology and occultism in the church! He is an ignorant fool! For anyone to claim that "all governments are the same" needs to GROW UP! Dumb Jack ass! The real problem in the world are uninformed fools like NUCCkle-Head claiming to speak for Jesus! With his wishy-washy social gospel and addmixture of new age, social agenda that flies in the face of sound scriptural teaching, and his four astrologies! NOW I understand why he is so uninformed. FOOL! Absolutely unbelievable!
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Author:dori
Date Posted: 15:21:01 10/03/02 Thu
"...think Jesus was a conservative. His teaching fit more into the liberal mode (the pure liberal ideology, that is). I think Jesus was a hippie in some ways and Newt Gingrich in others."
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That just goes to show ya that theyz bee dumbn ' um down on both sides of dee border!
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Re: Tamarisk -- Sola Scriptura, 22:14:25 10/03/02 Thu
Leftism and the Post-Religious Churches
By John J. Ray
FrontPageMagazine.com | October 4, 2002
From DAVID HOROWITZ's FrontPage Magazine - This site is guaranteed to drive Leftists and ignorant wishy-washy touchy feelies like NUCCkle-Brain NOOTCH round the bend, and prick his cushy complacent fat bee-hind!
http://frontpagemagazine.com/
The Mainstream Protestant Churches
From Robespierre to Stalin, Leftists for many years opposed all religion. They saw it as a rival to their own claims on power. In recent decades, however, this seems all to have become reversed. For instance, it used to be said in Britain that the Church of England was “The Tory Party at prayer”. These days it is certainly not. It is more like the Liberal party at prayer. Throughout the developed world, the churches now are often the source of clearly Left-wing messages.
This seems to be very much associated with the fact that there seems to have developed in the “Western” world in recent decades the curious phenomenon of the post-religious church. This is most marked in the case of the Church of England and its related Anglican churches worldwide.
There was once a time hundreds of years ago when followers of the Church of England were passionate believers in its blend of Protestant doctrines and episcopal organization. And assent to the 39 “Articles of Religion” is to this day supposed to be the mark of the Anglican. These articles say things such as: “Holy scripture containeth all things necessary to salvation: so that whatsoever is not read therein, nor may be proved thereby, is not to be required of any man, that it should be believed as an article of the Faith or be thought requisite or necessary to salvation.” (Article 6). And: “They are to be had accursed that presume to say , That every man shall be saved by the Law or Sect which he professeth, so that he be diligent to frame his life according to that Law and the light of Nature.” (Article 18). No universal salvation or doctrinal flexibility there! And no vagueness about what is authoritative!
How much this uncompromising language contrasts with the wishy-washy social gospel that is usually to be heard in Anglican churches today. When the Anglican flock go to church these days what they hear from their clergy tends to be a wishy-washy mish-mash of every trendy “liberal” belief under the sun. God and the Bible are lucky to get a mention. The outgoing Archbishop of Canterbury (Carey) is so “Green” that not even Greenpeace could have found fault with him and the incoming Archbishop (Williams) clearly has no respect whatever for Bible teachings about homosexuality. It is not even certain that a majority of the Anglican episcopate believe in God in any meaningful sense. Some of them clearly do not.
So in modern times nothing seems to be forbidden in the Anglican churches and nothing seems to be required for membership other than a modicum of politeness and a patience with rambling sermons. And it is not so much belief that is required as good taste! How has this come about?
It would appear to be because we no longer live in a culture of belief. Where once the churches were a part of everyday life for most people they are no longer so and religious skepticism is widespread. Why? Probably because science has made such inroads into explaining the once-inexplicable and because the conduct of so many supposed Christians has been so unchristian for so long that huge numbers of people have lost faith in organized religion and its traditional teachings. About the only religious belief that still wins widespread assent in the modern Western world is belief in God. But this is now accompanied by widespread skepticism about whether the churches know any more about God than anybody else. Certainly, the idea that one particular church has the truth while others do not is now widely seen as ridiculous.
In this climate, the more established churches have tended to lose their bearings. Long acceptance made them soft, and loss of that acceptance panicked them and demoralized their clergy. Rather than having the fortitude to continue proclaiming the Gospel of Christ, they scrabbled around looking for any means of regaining popular favour. Their long acceptance had meant that both their clergy and their laity had lost their religious edge and that they had become the refuge for those who were not very religiously committed anyway. So their struggle to retain some popularity had few restraints and steadily led them down a long downhill path to a point where they had virtually no fixed beliefs of any kind.
Perhaps the defining moment in this process was the publication in 1963 of the book “Honest to God” by Church of England bishop John Robinson. This book revealed to all how far the faith of many theologically sophisticated Anglicans had decayed and it was widely read. It denied the idea of God as any sort of a separate identity and said that God was simply “The ground of our being” -- whatever that might mean. From that point on, the phenomenon of the essentially Atheist Anglican became increasingly widespread. In the struggle to retain their acceptance in the modern world, many Anglicans were willing to abandon even God.
So their churches became little more than hollow shells or religious vacuums. When their traditional religious formulas and beliefs became widely questioned, they abandoned any advocacy of them and had nothing substantial to replace them. They now offer a facility for worship and fellowship but have no authority in matters of morals, doctrine or anything else. They have become social facilities rather than religious institutions. Rather than deliver salvation, all that many churches now aspire to is to make their congregations feel good. And old stone Cathedrals, magnificent vestments, mesmeric chants, angelic choirs, soaring hymns, fragrant incense and powerful pipe organs assist greatly with that. No-one has ever denied that the Anglican churches in particular can do a good show when they try.
But this mere show and lack of any moral, ethical or doctrinal anchors leaves the door open wide for what is popularly believed and promoted in the secular world to be adopted in the churches as well. The thinking seems to be that if you want to keep the collection plates full, you must tell people what they want to hear. So if Leftist, Greenie, Feminist or “Gay-lib” beliefs are vocally expressed in the community at large, such beliefs will be expressed with similar energy from the pulpit.
The acclaimed Marxist theorist Gramsci foresaw many years ago a “long march through the institutions” for Leftism -- and the post-religious churches have offered no resistance to that march at all. Their clergy now preach salvation through the nostrums of Leftism and Environmentalism rather than through the worship of Christ. The vacuum left in the churches by the loss of faith in their own traditional teachings is filled by whatever beliefs are fashionable in the secular world.
The Roman Catholics
Under the strong leadership of a theologically conservative Pope, the situation is not quite as grim in the Roman Catholic church but influences from the surrounding culture are still, of course, strong. One of the Catholic Church’s historic methods of bringing people under its influence has in fact been its great willingness to compromise with the surrounding culture and adopt pagan elements as its own. Christmas, for instance, was devised to coincide with the pagan Winter Solstice celebrations and Easter to this day bears the name of an ancient pagan Goddess (Astarte or Ashtaroth). And it is influences from the outside world of today that lie behind such untraditional and unscriptural ideas as the advocacy of female and openly homosexual priests.
The very “Red” nature of much contemporary Latin-American Catholicism is, however, not really in the same category. It is not a wholly modern phenomenon. In fact, ever since the Encyclical “Rerum Novarum” of 1891 (Yes. 1891, not 1991) the church has given qualified approval to socialist ideas. It was only the atheism of Communism that made Communists the enemies of the Church. The equally socialist but theistic Nazis were easily accommodated. So while Catholics and most of their clergy do at least appear to remain religious, theirs is a religion that has always accommodated to a large degree whatever nonsense that is believed in the world around them -- so therefore many Catholic clergy now accommodate or embrace the Leftist ideas that are so prominent in the contemporary world of the media and academe.
So the main motivation behind Catholic socialism would seem to be the wish of the church to curry favour with the often poor members of its congregations but some attempt to treat Christ’s counsel about the surest path to the afterlife (e.g. “Go and sell that thou hast and give to the poor and thou shalt have treasure in heaven” -- Matthew 19:21) as if it were also advice about how to run the affairs of the secular world is also of course involved -- materially assisted by the fact that theologians seldom seem to be very literate in economics.
So in many countries this does sometimes result in people hearing from Catholic pulpits condemnations of the “greed” of capitalism. Yet is it not greed to demand something that you did not earn? Is it not greed to use the coercive power of the government to take from others? Is it not greed to use the coercive power of unions to receive an unfair wage, often at the expense of other less-unionized workers? Is it not greed to demand that church members pay you a certain percentage of their wages? So the second-rate theology that fails even to ask such questions results in many Catholics worldwide hearing from their priests a message that is in some ways not very distinct from the message of Marxist revolutionaries.
This abrogation of their traditional role of giving the faithful a distinctive message does however seem to have been highly detrimental to both the Catholic and the historic Protestant churches, causing a steady leaking away of their congregations.
A fully observant Catholic is a great rarity these days and conservative movements within the Catholic church (such as charismatic movements, pilgrimages to sites of alleged miracles or the Tridentine movement led by Archbishop Marcel Lefebre) commonly get an enthusiastic response. These phenomena suggest that the great majority of the ordinary Catholic laity would be much more receptive to a traditional faith-based message than the political message that they so often get these days.
The Survival of Real Protestantism
And the mainstream Protestant churches are steadily losing their congregations to more Bible-oriented churches. Where the priest in an Anglican church might be preaching to six old ladies in flowered hats on a Sunday, the more evangelical church down the road will have hundreds of people of all ages in it. There is no doubt that the churches have to adapt to the modern world but the evangelical Protestants show that you can do that without replacing the Christian gospel by a Leftist gospel. So, once again, Leftism is destructive. By invading the mainstream churches, it has made them increasingly irrelevant.
When it comes to adapting to the modern world, it may be of some relevance to note here that there is one diocese in the worldwide Anglican communion that is outstanding for its enthusiasm for strict Bible teachings and historic Anglicanism. That is the diocese of Sydney in Australia. And the Sydney Anglican seminary and churches are so full of adherents (old and young, male and female) that the Sydney diocese alone accounts for one third of all of Australia’s Anglicans. Some ordained priests from the Sydney Anglican diocese have even been known to go out into other Australian Anglican dioceses and set up new churches there -- much embarrassing the local bishop by the large size of the congregations that they attract! The Sydney diocese shows what the Anglican church might have been.
Christianity that is firmly and unwaveringly based in the New Testament still obviously has great popular appeal and failure to deliver a truly New Testament message is rapidly relegating the historic Protestant churches to minority status within Christendom. And what adherents they do still have tend to be more the members of a social club than committed Christians
The problems of the Roman Catholic Church in adapting to the modern world are of course different but, if strict Protestant fundamentalists can have married priests and acceptance of contraception, the theological and disciplinary difficulties in reconciling such practices with the historic Christian message cannot be too great. Certainly, there is demonstrably no need to adopt Leftist amorality in order to succeed as a church in the modern world.
The Theology
This Leftist invasion of the senescent mainstream churches does tend to raise the question of what Christ’s Gospel really was. Are the current teachings of such churches Christian or not? The churches concerned would of course normally claim that they are. Answering this question fully, however, requires a trip into theology rather than into the sociological questions and observations that the present article addresses. All that is required for acceptance of the theses of the present article is a recognition that “traditional” Christian teachings have been substantially replaced by Leftist moral relativism and fervour for equality. How closely the traditional teachings of any given church mirror the teachings of Christ is another debate entirely.
Nonetheless, discussing religion whilst ignoring theology is surely a most incomplete enterprise so it would surely be remiss not to make at least a brief excursion into the theological questions involved.
We could approach this front-on by asking whether Jesus was part of what we would now call the Left or the Right. And since this is, of course, very much an old chestnut, let us look at it briefly:
As Leftists are traditionally anti-religious the argument has usually gone by default to the conservatives. Leftists have usually not wanted anything to do with any religious figure so conservatives could claim Jesus as one of their own with little opposition. And that claim is not without reason: Jesus did after all say, “For ye have the poor always with you” (Matthew 26:11) and he did make a point of dining with rich businessmen (Luke 19:1-8) and he did praise entrepreneurship and profit (Matthew 25:14-30). And he did rebuke his disciples for proposing to sell their luxury goods and distribute the proceeds to the poor (Matthew 26:10). He denied being a revolutionary (Matthew 5:17) and preached obedience to the law (Matthew 5: 19; Mark 12:17). He preached compromise (Matthew 5:25) and opposed divorce (Matthew 5:32). And Jesus did of course inherit the Jewish view that mankind is in a “fallen” and imperfect state and preached that only faith in him could correct it (Luke 19:10; John 8:7, 32).
On the other hand he did say that it was as hard for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven as it was for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle (Matthew 19:24) and he did tell a seeker after holiness to first sell all his worldly goods (Matthew 19:21). He did advise “giving freely” and advised against accumulating both money and worldly goods (Matthew, 10: 9,10; 6:19 and 6:31-34). He preached equality among the faithful (Matthew 20:25-28). And he was very much a pacifist (Matthew 5:39). All these latter references, however, clearly have more to do with spiritual guidance than with advice about how to run the affairs of the world.
The essential point in all this, however, is surely that Jesus was even in his own time an avowedly religious leader rather than a political one and, as such, he does not fit neatly into any modern political category and was in fact uninterested in how the affairs of the world should be ordered. His constant focus was on the Kingdom of Heaven and its entry requirements rather than on any earthly kingdom. So traditional Christian teachings about how the world should be ordered have had to evolve with only a little guidance from the master himself. On balance, however, Jesus does show a realism when he discusses the state of the world that is encouraging to conservative views of it.
Nonetheless, the fact that, in his spiritual guidance to his followers, Jesus opposed condemnation of others and retaliation for evil, that he also opposed selfishness and materialism and preached love and compassion could be seen as consonant with what Leftists advocate (but do not practice). And undoubtedly it is. That is why Leftists advocate it. It suits Leftists to pretend to believe that Christ’s spiritual teachings can be taken as a template for organizing the affairs of the world and that only evil men or evil classes of men stand in the way of bringing about a socialist Utopia or any other desired state. That the world will always fall far short of the high ideals that Christ set they ignore. In this sense, Leftism is akin to the old Pelagian heresy, as Christ himself was emphatic that, although perfection is to be sought (Matthew 5:48), it is only to be obtained through faith in him (John 3:18). As Jesus summarized it to Pilate, “My Kingdom is not of this world” (John 18:36).
To revert to the sociology of the matter, however, the teachings of Jesus have become deeply ingrained in our culture so that they form at least a large part of the ideals that most of us aspire to even if we often fall far short of living up to those ideals. And Leftists simply use that. If the change- and power-seeking Leftist wants to sound persuasive, the easiest way to do so is to place his appeal squarely within the existing ideals of the society. If we still lived in the pagan world of our ancestors as described (say) in “Beowulf”, he might instead justify his cries for change in terms of what would lead us towards greater glory and fame. But in neither case could we safely conclude that what he says represents his real aims and values. And we can most certainly not conclude that those who preach compassion etc will therefore also practice it when they have the power to do so.
Conclusion
So it is far from true that Christianity is Leftist. What is true is that the Churches which have LOST their traditional Christian values have become Leftist.
An important result of their replacing traditional Christian faith by Leftist amorality is that the mainstream churches now seem to feel that they have no authority to offer moral guidance of any kind. For instance, rather than oppose or condemn the undoubtedly evil Saddam Hussein (who himself says that from his point of view Hitler was too weak), they are more likely to ask their congregations to “pray for peace”! If such responses were to become common in the population at large, this would surely be a serious erosion of the values that underlie Western civilization and perhaps even of the values that underlie any civilization. So perhaps we should hope that the decay into irrelevancy of the mainstream churches will continue apace.
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Re: Tamarisk - JESUS is a Radical, NOT a "Centrist!" -- Sola Scriptura, 22:42:37 10/03/02 Thu
Jesus is a radical! There was nothing “Centrist” about Jesus Christ! Those in the “middle of the road” like Hootchie-Nootchie get deservedly squished! AMEN!
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ACNR/Dolly/Bethany -- tamarisk, 15:35:07 10/03/02 Thu
WRT Gelly B at PP (poetic, ain't it ;))
"If government would just get the hell out of the way private industry would clean it up because it is in their best interests to do so."
Youse c. This is what allows BellyG to compromise concerning Dorito, Inqee, and other Kumbaya/Pacadorian "Christians."
Leuttice try this:
If government would just get the hell out of the way of the Church in America, it would clean itself up because it is in their best interests to do so.
The truth is, it is NOT in the best interest of the Church to "clean itself up." So great is the error in the institution called the "Church in America" today, it cannot afford to "clean itself up."
There is great profit in preaching false and wrong teachings. It profits by deception just as those in goobermint today, called Republicans and Conservatives.
The Bible, THE Holy Word of G_d IS the final word, THE Authority in discerning truth.
If you use the Jackals test, anything goes. It all depends on some "higher revelation." That revelation, if it does NOT pass the timeless test of Biblical Truth, is from Hell.
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Re: ACNR/Dolly/Bethany -- tamarisk, 16:04:44 10/03/02 Thu
Nor is it in the best interests of the gooberment.
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ACNR/Dolly/Bethany -- tamarisk, 15:58:06 10/03/02 Thu
A "little" leaven leavens the "whole" lump. ONE rotten apple in a barrel of good apples "ruins" the WHOLE BARREL. No way will the good apples renew the rotten apple, although they are many.
Heb 10:28-31
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
(KJV)
Most Churches today are not the CHURCH, and the few that are, are falling into the "last days apostasy" really fast. (2 Thess 2:2-3) Most churches of today are plumb full of unbelievers from the pew to the pulpit.
The church building is full of those who don't BELIEVE GOD because they don't FEAR GOD.
Matt 10:28
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
(KJV)
IT IS A FEARFUL THING TO FALL INTO THE HANDS OF THE LIVING GOD
So-What Now.
2 Cor 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
Eph 5:21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
CONCLUSION
Eccl 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
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Dolly -- tamarisk, 14:34:47 10/03/02 Thu
Yule appreciate this from this months Berean Call and Dave Hunt.(Note to Jackals, I DON'T agree with all that Dave Hunt teachers or believes) This is from the “Quotable” section and I have adapted it to meet the folly of a certain reader here.
“Tyndale wrote, “The Scribes and Pharisees had thrust up the sword of the word of G_d into the sheath of glosses…Now, O G_d, draw this sharp sword from the scabbard. Strike, wound, cut asunder the soul and flesh, so that man…may be in peace with thee to all eternity.”
Now, as I transcribe the following paragraphs to cut asunder, the very heart of Mondo and the Rt Rev, Jack Howell and, even Dorito, let them with ears to hear and eyes to see, do so.
The PFAI Bishop, the Reverend Jack Howell of Moore, Oklahoma was bitter, complaining that those posting at “The Blue Room, The Christianity Discussion Forum,” and ever proposing evil against those posters there, proclaiming the Truth in the Holy Word of G_d, the Rt Rev became exceeding angry.
Though the posters at the “blue room” seek to plant the seed of truth according to the Holy Word of G_d, in the common language of sound, pure doctrine of His blessed Apostles, the Rt Rev and his minions seek to infect and contaminate the truth.
The seekers of Truth at the Blue Room sought to expose the heresy of the Lighthouse Movement, which the Rt Rev espouses. They have, and continue to preach against the heresy of the Modern Charismatic/Third Wave Pentecostal/Vineyard (Wimberite) and Lighthouse Movements.
The Bishop, however, has decreed his disdain for those NOT believing in his “advanced,” sometimes referred to as, “higher/Word of Faith/Spirit-Filled teachings. Of course, he alone is the final authority because men, to ministry, called him.
The Archbishop of Moore, Oklahoma has sit up this ministry for those sheeple, who read his website, to accept and believe its heretical lies and deception. Therefore, those sheeple are deeded all rights to “tithe” to this ministry.
I, Tamarisk, believe the Rt Rev Jack Howell is a for profit, prophet. I have dealt, in many chapters of, The Pastor, The Priest, and the Profit (based on Jeremiah 2:8), in my walk for the Truth in the Holy Word of G_d. Rt Rev Jackals only passes the “smell test” in relation to his perversion of His Holy Word. He perverts the Holy Word of G_d by his claim, of men, of “higher revelation.” This higher revelation doesn’t pass the “smell test” according to G_d’s Word.
The Rt Rev tries to pass off his cut and paste articles as truth. The Rt Rev also denies responsibility for the very website he professes to be the final authority thereof.
Rt Rev Jackals has the same deluded view, as did Rome, of Europe in the Dark Ages. He, as does the RCC now, keep its minions obedient to its heretical teachings through its series of indulgences, rosary beads, prayer for the dead, the Eucharist, etc.
The Rt Rev, in his heretical teachings, is as lost at the current RCC teachings. Youse C. The common peoples could not read the Scriptures for themselves. Just as the RCC, the typical Roman Catholic sheeple, cannot read the Scripture for themselves, neither can they in the Jackals world. They need either a priest or a bishop to explain the “advanced revelation,” given.
Tyndale ends….gave the people of England the opportunity to read the New Testament for themselves…..[and they] seized the opportunity…..with both hands.
The Doritos, Mondos, nor the Jackals will not understand this message. So it goes in Biblical truth in reference between Heaven and Hell.
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Dolly -- tamarisk, 09:44:37 10/01/02 Tue
Guess the truth hurts. I don't know what forum they post at(Rt Rev and Mondo), but they certainly read here.
Jackals uses 1 Corinthians 2:14 to justify my lack of spiritual discernment, when it is he, hisself needing discernment concerning the "natural man."
It is the natural man, needing a Morman vision of a lighthouse coming up out of the plains as the "key evidence" of his "anointing." That vision alone shows Jackals to be incompetent as a "bishop." The fundamental idea of discerned is that of examination or scrutiny. Jackals will not do a "self-examination" because he believes in the wild-eyed babblings of men and these false visions.
Yuse c. Some man came to him and told him he had an anointing on his life and passed "his" anointing to Jackals. Therefore, without prayerfully seeking the face of the Lord, he pragmatically founded this ministry called PFAI. In truth, Jackals is a religious "phat cat." He uses this to pervert Biblical Truth by "ordaining" a woman as a pastor in Kentucky, etc. Jackals believes "his" ministry is growing. Is it really, according the the Holy Word of G_d?
Back to 1 Corinthians 2:14. Jackals, the soulish man(the soul as the organ of human cognition) with the "spiritual"(the spirit as the organ of spiritual cognition.) The "natural man, soulish man," i.e. Jackals, when confronted with spiritual truth, "receiveth not." He is unreceptive. He does not admit the truth in his heart. Thus, "they are foolish." Jackals passes off correction with scorn.(Hence--"Neither can he know)
A true spiritual discernment is generated only by the Ruach HaKokesh, The Holy Sprirt of G_d, the capacity to know spiritual truth is beyond the innate powers of the natural man(Jackals).
Jackals, because of his blindness by the limitation of his "visions and dreams" cannot know the full power of G_d, and His Word. It is only through some false belief of that lighthouse vision, which is from Hell, that Jackals teaches.
On the spiritual plain, Jackals does not even have the ability to sift the facts.
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Re: Dolly/Tamarisk/Booda/Bethany/Praludium/ACNR -- Aquilla, 20:40:04 10/01/02 Tue
Tamarisk, Tamarisk, Tamarisk.....tisk-tisk. What ever did you do to get the PFAKE so stirred up. I bet he has spittle all over his shirt. Note that he is too sick to go back to work and is taking "sick leave" but is well enough to play internet whore for hours today at home. What does that say about his morals and ethics?
Rt. Rev PFAKE is a wolf who readily attaches himself to the title of “bishop” like a common leach, yet he declines any of the attending burdens of accountability or responsibility. The Rt Rev has demonstrated an ability to overlook many of scriptural demands placed on the title he covets. He is a virtue-less person who brings disgrace to himself, to Christ, and to the very church he claims to represent.
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Re: Dolly/Tamarisk/Booda/Bethany/Praludium/ACNR -- An Article Of Interest, 21:34:14 10/01/02 Tue
Speaking in tongues is a common thing done in many churches today. The following study is done with a helpful & directive spirit. It is my desire that any person involved with tongues would read through this in a prayerful attitude and with a willingness to see what the Bible has to say about tongues. I Cor 14 is a chapter dedicated to speaking in tongues and should always be studied before anyone would consider this activity.
It never matters what WE think or feel, but it does matter what God says, amen?
We know that God's words are final, well, they should be anyway.
God's Commandments for
Speaking in Tongues:
Commentary on I Corinthians 14
A. Desirability of the Gift of Tongues.
1. It is better to prophesy than to speak in tongues.
1 Corinthians 14:1-2 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
2. Seeking tongues shows evidence of selfishness.
1 Corinthians 14:3-4 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
3. Self edification is good but edifying the church is much better.
1 Corinthians 14:5-6 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying. Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
4. Tongues are as uncertain sounds of inanimate objects.
1 Corinthians 14:7-8 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped? For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
5. Tongues are as one in a multitude of voices not understood.
1 Corinthians 14:9-10 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air. There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
6. Tongues make for no communication between two.
1 Corinthians 14:11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
7. Seek gifts to build the church not to build yourself.
1 Corinthians 14:12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
8. Pray for interpretation instead of for tongues, it is beneficial.
1 Corinthians 14:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
9. Prayer in an unknown tongue is unfruitful even to oneself.
1 Corinthians 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
10. Understanding is the thing to be desired.
1 Corinthians 14:15-16 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
11. Edification of the others is the goal.
1 Corinthians 14:17-19 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified. I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
12. Understand as a man. Be mad as a child.
1 Corinthians 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
B. Commandments for Speaking in Tongues.
1. The tongues spoken are unknown or other tongues.
1 Corinthians 14:21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
1 Corinthians 14:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
2. How the word tongue is used in the Bible:
a. Languages. The law of first mention. (The first time a word is used in the Scriptures define the word for you. The Bible is not given to private interpretation.)
Genesis 10:5,20 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations. ... These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their tongues, in their countries, and in their nations.
b. Physical tongue.
Mark 7:33-35 And he [Jesus] took him aside from the multitude, and put his fingers into his ears, and he spit, and touched his tongue; And looking up to heaven, he sighed, and saith unto him, Ephphatha, that is, Be opened. And straightway his ears were opened, and the string of his tongue was loosed, and he spake plain.
c. New tongues. (Languages not yet learned.)
Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
d. Cloven tongues like as of fire. (Not of fire, but like as of fire.)
Acts 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
e. Other tongues. (Other Languages.)
Acts 2:4-11 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. And they were all amazed and marveled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
f. With tongues. (Other languages that were understood.)
Acts 10:44-48 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days. Acts 19:1-6 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
g. Divers kinds of tongues. (Different types of languages.)
1 Corinthians 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 1Corinthians 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 1 Corinthians 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
h. Interpretation of tongues, give their language for what is being said.
1 Corinthians 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
i. Tongues of Angels. Only mentioned once in the Bible, only other time in same chapter, it says tongues cease.
1 Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 1 Corinthians 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
C. Tongues are for a sign. Signs are for the Jews.
1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
1. Law of first mention: Sign given that the Jew Might believe.
Exodus 4:1-8 And Moses answered and said, But, behold, they will not believe me, nor hearken unto my voice: for they will say, The LORD hath not appeared unto thee. And the LORD said unto him, What is that in thine hand? And he said, A rod. And he said, Cast it on the ground. And he cast it on the ground, and it became a serpent; and Moses fled from before it. And the LORD said unto Moses, Put forth thine hand, and take it by the tail. And he put forth his hand, and caught it, and it became a rod in his hand: That they may believe that the LORD God of their fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath appeared unto thee. And the LORD said furthermore unto him, Put now thine hand into thy bosom. And he put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous as snow. And he said, Put thine hand into thy bosom again. And he put his hand into his bosom again; and plucked it out of his bosom, and, behold, it was turned again as his other flesh. And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe thee, neither hearken to the voice of the first sign, that they will believe the voice of the latter sign.
2. A sign is the division between Jew and Gentile.
Exodus 8:22-23 And I will sever in that day the land of Goshen, in which my people dwell, that no swarms of flies shall be there; to the end thou mayest know that I am the LORD in the midst of the earth. And I will put a division between my people and thy people: to morrow shall this sign be.
3. Sign so the Jew can see and believe.
Exodus 19:9 And the LORD said unto Moses, Lo, I come unto thee in a thick cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with thee, and believe thee for ever. And Moses told the words of the people unto the LORD.
Isaiah 41:17-20 When the poor and needy seek water, and there is none, and their tongue faileth for thirst, I the LORD will hear them, I the God of Israel will not forsake them. I will open rivers in high places, and fountains in the midst of the valleys: I will make the wilderness a pool of water, and the dry land springs of water. I will plant in the wilderness the cedar, the shittah tree, and the myrtle, and the oil tree; I will set in the desert the fir tree, and the pine, and the box tree together: That they may see, and know, and consider, and understand together, that the hand of the LORD hath done this, and the Holy One of Israel hath created it.
4. The Miracles of Jesus were for a sign to the Jew, that he would believe. John 11:41-48 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me. And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot, with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go. Then many of the Jews which came to Mary, and had seen the things which Jesus did, believed on him. But some of them went their ways to the Pharisees, and told them what things Jesus had done. Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles. If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.
John 13:19 Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he.
5. The Gentiles are not permitted a sign.
1 Corinthians 1:22-23 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
1 Corinthians 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
6. Our Generation can receive no sign, save, the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Matthew 16:1-4 The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would show them a sign from heaven. He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red. And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times? A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.
Mark 8:11-13 And the Pharisees came forth, and began to question with him, seeking of him a sign from heaven, tempting him. And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth this generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall no sign be given unto this generation. And he left them, and entering into the ship again departed to the other side.
Luke 11:29-30 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This
is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet. For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.
D. Other Commandments for speaking in tongues.
1. Sign to the UNSAVED Jew.
1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
Acts 10:44-48 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
2. Unsaved Gentiles will say you are crazy with tongues, but in prophecy will be convinced.
1 Corinthians 14:23-25 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.
3. Everything done in a service should edify the whole body.
1 Corinthians 14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
4. At least two speaking in tongues.
1 Corinthians 14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
5. No More than three speaking in tongues.
1 Corinthians 14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
6. Must speak in turn, not all at the same time.
1 Corinthians 14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
7. There must be one interpreter.
1 Corinthians 14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
8. Tongues are forbidden without an interpreter.
1 Corinthians 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
9. Women are expressly forbidden to speak in tongues publicly.
1 Corinthians 14:34-35 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
(The context of this verse is for tongues and prophecy. A woman may teach, but not adult men, and serve in other areas of the church. A woman may not take an office, being pastor or deacon, because of the listed qualifications of the offices.)
10. You are to acknowledge these Commandments as from the Lord.
1 Corinthians 14:36-38 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
11. If seeking gifts, covet prophecy.
1 Corinthians 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
12. You may not forbid to speak in tongues.
(But note the commandments of God for doing so. If you are not obeying these you are not scriptural in your practice. But if you are obeying all of the commandments then you may not be forbidden to speak
in tongues.) 1 Corinthians 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
13. Do everything decently and in order. Do not allow that which brings forth confusion.
1 Corinthians 14:40 Let all things be done decently and in order.
This study was originally written by:
by Pastor Steve Harmon Th.G., B.S., Th.M., Th.D (1991)
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Re: Dolly/Tamarisk/Booda/Bethany/Praludium/ACNR -- tamarisk, 09:03:57 10/02/02 Wed
It b a gift!! ;)
I'm always amused when I post things like the pro-life petition below. Yuze c, in the Rt Revs world, with his perversion of Romans 13 and civil government, he MUST believe the goobermint concerning Roe v. Wade. Just tink. Coming this January 2003, will mark 30 years of "safe and legal" baby executions in AmeriKa.
Jackals will tell you we must abide by the "law of the land" because it is ordained by G_d. He also tried to run the "lighthouse" scam. The "I hand hands laid up me, so, I think, therefore, I must become a bishop called by G_d." While he contends with others concerning what HE terms writings of men, he fails to remember it was men of the same ilk of the typical TBN type preacher, who laid hands on him. That is the great deception from Jackals, the ever so typical looney tic, 501 c 3, registered agent of the goobermint.
Then, he posts a message on his site, the very one he is not responsible for, saying "his ministry" is under attack. "His ministry" is under attack because HE is the ministry and an antichrist of false teaching. Then, he goes on to post HIS ministry is growing. I laugh at that because he makes no claim of converts in his ministry. His only claim to fame is those people coming from other churches. And BTW, a "convert" to a "spirit filled church" can only be such by the perverted teachings of Acts 2:38.
If Jackals ministry is like the ones here, don't believe his own press. There was a Charismatic conference held at my school building last Friday and Saturday. Eight to ten Charismatic churches got together and brought in speakers for a Charismatic Prophesy Conference. They expected around 400 people to attend. It was promoted on the local Christian radio station as well as the newspaper. As it turned out, 8 people showed on Friday and around 30 on Saturday. So much for the movement of the Holy Ghost in those churches.
The Charismatic/Third Wave Pentecostal/Vineyard/Lighthouse movements are dead. Their message is from Hell because it is preached from dead men standing under a dead piece of wood. It is a preached to dead people who are nothing but pathetic pew warmers. Jesus nor the Holy Spirit are there. Never have been, never will be unless they repent.
Salvation Jackals is by Grace Alone, THROUGH Faith Alone, UNTO Repentance, IN the Mighty, Blessed Name of HaShem Y'shua HaMechiach, The Lord Jesus, The Messiah.
Luther may have added the Alone, but take out the alone and what's left is Roman Catholicism, Mormonism and other cults, Charismatic confusion, the Vineyard and Lighthouse movements. Any one having a perverted message can come along when you take out the Alone.
Remember Stalin, Hitler, Mao, etc. They too, were pragamtists.
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Poor Jingle Belles Jangler Jack -- TOO SICK TO WORK - NOT TO SICK TO PLAY ON THE INTERNET, 11:41:21 10/02/02 Wed
Jingles' "Gifts" are for graft. He is TOO SICK TO WORK UNTIL.........maybe.........."Friday"
IS Rev. Jingle Belles Jangler TOO SICK TO PLAY ON THE INTERNET during his PAID LEAVE?????
"Author: Rev. Jack Howell
Date Posted: 12:50:18 10/01/02 Tue
My vacation ended Sunday, and was not a good one at all. I spent all my vacation recovering from a bout with pneumonia in the lower lobe of my right lung, and am taking an additional week off from the secular job to recuperate from it. "
Hope his "recuperation" is fareing well. FOFL
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Re: Me -- tamarisk, 12:04:52 10/02/02 Wed
Or a pragmatist. lol!!
Was trying to speak in tongues but had my tongue over my eye teeth and couldn't see what I was typing.
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Re: Me -- Pretty Face, 12:35:08 10/02/02 Wed
rev. jingle belles' tongue is sooooo forked that he can cover two thangs at 'twonce, if ya git ma drift Christian Soldier.....
Keep Looking Up!
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Jack Never Left Wicca -- lurker, 21:00:50 10/02/02 Wed
Worth reposting "Ol' Smilin' Jack's hotline to God has confirmed to Jack that Kenneth Copeland is a true man of God, but Jack being deceived by lying spirits and lacking spiritual discernment, doesn't know that the demon posing as God at the other end of his "hotline" is probably one of the same demons Jack cavorted with when Jack was a wiccan.
It seems Jack never left witchcraft, he just changed suits into a Word of Faith witchcraft suit instead of a wiccan suit. There is no difference in the eyes of God between the two.
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Ta All Ma Bayou Fundy Brothas & Sistahs -- Sistah Dolly Happy Feets, 20:45:30 10/02/02 Wed
Eyez don no F TONGUES is necessaary to git ta Haaven. Butz yuz sur needz em to eat mi tasty vittles! an dey cum in handee to kleen da crud off da jelle glass 4 drinkn' we had O-possom and craw daddis 2nite. made fundy hubbie-cuzin miteT in-ter-S-ted N mi deezert.
tip for dining out:
..... When decanting wine, make sure that you tilt the paper cup, and pour slowly so as not to "bruise" the fruit of the vine.
if yer goin 2 a movie:
Refrain from talking to characters on the screen. Tests have proven they can't hear you.
driving manners:
Do not lay rubber while traveling in a funeral procession.
Lastly, remember: It's considered tacky to take a cooler to church. Leave yur beer in da car.
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Rt Rev is a Falsely Anointed One Jangling About Demanding Respect -- Sola Scriptura, 22:12:23 09/28/02 Sat
”But there were also false prophets among the people,the even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgement has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.” (2 Pet 2:1-3)
The Falsely Anointed Ones Who Jangle About Demanding Respect
Firstly, what does it mean, this phrase "false christs". The Greek wording is "pseudochristos", from two words "pseudes" (untrue, i.e. erroneous, deceitful, wicked: false, liar) and "christos" meaning anointed. Jack Jangles claims to be “divinely anointed.”
Jesus Christ had the title "Christ" - because he is The Anointed One. God anointed him as Priest, Prophet and King - this is the only real use of the anointing oil of scripture!
"And you shall speak to the children of Israel, saying: 'This shall be a holy anointing oil to Me throughout your generations. It shall not be poured on man's flesh; nor shall you make any other like it, according to its composition. It is holy, and it shall be holy to you. Whoever compounds any like it, or whoever puts any of it on an outsider, shall be cut off from his people" (Exod 30:31-33 )
• PRIESTLY ANOINTING: Exod 28:41 "So you shall put them on Aaron your brother and on his sons with him. You shall anoint them, consecrate them, and sanctify them, that they may minister to Me as priests.
• KINGLY ANOINTING 1 Sam 15:1 Samuel also said to Saul, "The LORD sent me to anoint you king over His people, over Israel. Now therefore, heed the voice of the words of the LORD. AND I King 1:34 "There let Zadok the priest and Nathan the prophet anoint him king over Israel; and blow the horn, and say, 'Long live King Solomon!'
• PROPHET'S ANOINTING I King 19:16 "Also you shall anoint Jehu the son of Nimshi as king over Israel. And Elisha the son of Shaphat of Abel Meholah you shall anoint as prophet in your place.
Now that the Messiah has come, as fulfilment of the prophecies, God the Father has given him the Name above all names, and he has been given the high position as Prophet, Priest and King over the household of God.
We no longer have kings to rule over us;
we no longer have to rely on priests to do atoning rituals on our behalf;
we no longer have to go to prophets in order to hear and know the word of God.
ALL ministry - service in the Church, prophecy, healing, teaching, leadership - is done IN AND THROUGH the Head, not as individuals. (for example Eph 4:11-16 and 1 Cor 12:4-11 ).
The anointing of God flows down the robe of Christ, and those who are truly joined to Him, in His Body, one spirit with him, partake of, and minister in, the anointing of the Son of God - simply because of their oneness with Christ, not in and of themselves.
What God wills and commands, receives his anointing. What man conceives, wills and does has NO anointing! Everything about the Rt Rev Whoopie Cushion is PFAKE as those from the counterfeit revival movement.
Anybody, therefore, who acts and wills and ministers and preaches that which is not expressly the doctrine and will of God as does Jack Howell, has no anointing of God except in his delusional mind!
Anyone who acts on his own behalf, as Rt Rev evidences daily, and works from his own emotions, as Rt Rev continues to do, out of his own will, his own desires and his own temporal powers, PROVES to discerning believers that he is out of line with the Head and not acting as a member of the Body.
He does not have the anointing of God upon what he says and does (however much he may claim it). The only power source he can tap into is that of another spirit, the spirit of the false christ, the Lucifer who is the "light-bearer" of false wisdom.
Nonetheless, such false teachers like Jackals CLAIM to have an anointing. They come and teach "in the Name of Christ". They even claim they ARE the Anointed! Since no-one is The Anointed except Jesus Christ the Son of God, to claim to be "The Anointed of God" is to reveal their identity as FALSE CHRISTS. Pure and simple!
Fear Not Their Threats!
They make weak minded cower in fear, teaching that they are The Anointed, and to disagree with their heresies is to court disaster and death!
If indeed he were EVER a true believer, he would be no more or less anointed than we are, as a fellow believer.
Secondly, if he continues in lying and preaching falsehood, not biblically sound doctrine, he is NOT anointed of God.
But if he is preaching and teaching in the Name of Christ, without His authority, outside of His will - then Rev. Jack Howell is the FALSE CHRISTS AND FALSE PROPHETS about which Jesus warned us!
False christs means "falsely anointed ones".
What better description could there be for those who exalt themselves to positions of leadership in the Body and take advantage of the flock, bleeding them of money, tying them up in laws, courts, and bondages, filling them with fears, teaching them to obey evil spirits...
"For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works". ”(2 Cor 11:13-15)
Jack Howell is not a servant of all, but lords of all - arrogant, men-serving, lovers of flattery, self-exalting, beyond correction, vainglorious and abusive to those underneath them.
These are a whole new breed of Nicolaitans, and the Lord HATES their deeds. He will bring jack to justice, and expose everything he has been plotting and planning.
But in the meanwhile, Jesus forewarns us to be on our guard against such false christs, and to understand that in the last days these people will arise, in order to deceive - if possible – even if he could, the very elect. (MT 24:24) But those Born of above can see the Rev Jack’s of this world and EXPOSE their schemes to the flock.
Do not bow the knee to these men! Do not give up your godly inheritance for their "mess of pottage", because no earthly thrill or power is worth giving up your hope of salvation.
"And this occurred because of false brethren secretly brought in (who came in by stealth to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage), to whom we did not yield submission even for an hour, that the truth of the gospel might continue with you." (Gal 2:4-5)
"Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds"AMEN!!!. (2 John 9-11)
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Re: Rt Rev is a Falsely Anointed One Jangling About Demanding Respect -- Do NOT Be Deceived By Janglers and False christs Like Jack, 08:30:08 10/02/02 Wed
"Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds"AMEN!!!. (2 John 9-11)
”But there were also false prophets among the people,the even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgement has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.” (2 Pet 2:1-3)
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ACNR/Dolly -- tamarisk, 12:31:21 10/01/02 Tue
WRT--"Tamarisk visits this forum on a frequent basis and copies and pastes posts from here onto his forum where he attempts to ridicule the posts and their authors, while at the same time, revealing his ignorance, so yes, this IS the place to post what I have posted."
Have to laugh. Here we have the great man of spiritual discernment. He has the programs to know each and everyone's ISP's who not only visit but post there. So, if he has the proof I've posted there, let him post it. If not, he needs to shut up because he's doing the same thing he accuses we'uns here(being a gossip).
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Re: ACNR/Dolly/Tamarisk/Booda/Annie & Saints -- Sola Scriptura, 20:17:43 10/01/02 Tue
Ho-Hum. (looks at finger nails....puffs on them.....rubs them on my sleave.....) The man is a bore. He is crazy. He said ACNR is Edward Adams. He claimed this was Tamarisk's Board last week, below he claims another board is my board, another time he said it was SAK's board:
Author:
Rev. Jack Howell
Date Posted: 07:00:26 09/25/02 Wed
"It is Sola's gossip board, masquerading as a "Christian" board. Genuine Believers would be wise to avoid it to avoid the sin of gossiping. That board has been around for a number of months."
The re-posted copies in below posts are where he claimed I was posting at dori's board as "Tina" or "Louise". Dori never posted the IP#'s to PROVE that he LIED and it was not me, yet aids and encourages the lies to proceed. Gotta love someone who doesn't believe the bible and has never read it, telling a PFAKE that she agrees with his scriptural gymnastics.....too funny!
dori claimed that the recent pink forum that bombed in 24 hours was not her's either. She lied through her teeth as she always does. She feigned ignorance of not being dori when repeatedly confronted by those who spot her spirit in a mile away.
Everyone knows that Rt Rev is as much a CONGENITAL LIAR as dori. All see through her, eventually. Some like Jack Howell don’t care as long as she provides him with a friendly platform to accomplish their common goal of attacking their perceived enemies. PFAKE attacked her forum three months ago before he decided to use her.
They are a waste of time. Dori is a broom jockey and Rt Rev is crazy (I sincerely believe that and so do those who I know who have witnessed him)
Neither are Born Again, so what can one expect of the twice dead? Jackals has even stated dori is not a Christian before he needed her forum, so he is playing her and she is such an internet whore like Jack, she has NO SELF RESPECT! FEH! They are a waste of effort, you are not dealing with stable minds.
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Re: ACNR/Dolly/Tamarisk/Booda/Annie & Saints -- Aquilla, 20:21:04 10/01/02 Tue
Rt. Rev Howelloween is a wolf who readily attaches himself to the title of “bishop” like a common leach, yet he declines any of the attending burdens of accountability or responsibility. The Rt Rev has demonstrated an ability to overlook many of scriptural demands placed on the title he covets. He is a virtue-less person who brings disgrace to himself, to Christ, and to the very church he claims to represent.
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ACNR/Dolly/Bethany -- tamarisk, 12:50:59 10/01/02 Tue
For Bible Believing Christians everwhere.
The National Emancipation Proclamation For the Pre-Born Child
We, the pastors, elders, and citizens of the United states of America, do hereby declare on this 1st day of January, in the year of our Lord 2003, that all children, from conception forward, are human beings. They are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, and that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
In regard to these children, our government has been in rebellion against the Law of Almighty G_d since 22 January 1973. The Supreme Court of the United states of America, declared that children in their mother’s womb were not fully human and therefore were not entitled to the full protection of the laws of our land. Because of this open rebellion and blatant disregard for the Law of G_d and for life, our nation is suffering under the remedial judgments of G_d Himself. Blood is coursing down the corridors of our schools, work places, and streets. Because we have not hated bloodshed, bloodshed is now pursuing us. (Ezekiel 35:6)
We, the pastors, elders, and citizens of America, do hereby this day, hold the Supreme Court of the United states of America in contempt of the Court of Almighty G_d. We hold it in contempt of the lives of the children it was sworn to protect. We hold it in contempt of the Court before whom every knee shall bow and every tongue confess Jesus Christ is Lord.
By virtue of the power and authority bested in us as pastors and elders and members of the Church of Jesus Christ, we declare that the lives of all children (born and unborn) are sacred to G_d and worthy of defense. They shall be welcomed in life and protected by law. Upon this act, sincerely believed to be an act of justice, warranted by the Constitution, we invoke the considerate judgment of mankind and the gracious favor of Almighty G_d.
We enjoin our brothers and sisters in America to join us in this noble endeavor to speak for the children who cannot speak for themselves.
Done in the United states of America, this 1st day of January, in the year of our Lord, 2003.
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Please send the Emancipation Proclamation c/o Operation Save America, P.O. Box 740066, Dallas, TX 75374
You have permission to copy and distribute this form to area churches, schools, government officials, etc. It is not copywrited.
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ACNR/Dolly/Bethany -- tamarisk, 13:05:45 09/30/02 Mon
WRT--Subject: Re: Do you really feel that way Jack?
Author: Rev. Jack Howell
Date Posted: 12:59:55 09/27/02 Fri
"God ordained human governments as I said. They operate as ministers of God (Romans 13:1-7). It is perfectly alright to go before majestrates to settle civil disputes if they cannot be settled any other way. It is however discouraged for Christians to sue other Christians, as it is considered a bad witness (1 Corinthians 6:1), but if the person claiming to be "Christian," shows that he/she is not by their actions, then it is permissable to go to law against them to resolve the problem."
Let us examine the purpose of civil goobermint. It was ordained by G_d Himself in Genesis 9. In Genesis 2:24 He ordained the institution of the family, and later, His Christian Church.
G_d has invested in mankind the right to govern itself; it is one of our inalienable rights given by G_d. NOT the Constitution or man's court of law. Those "Pastors, Priests, and (for) Profit, Prophets(Jeremiah 2:8) are SUPPOSED to be a terror to evil works(Romans 13:3); and those who disobey the G_d-ordained powers of human government because,
Rom 13:4-5
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
(KJV)
One of the statutes of a just and righteous government, using the sword, is found in Genesis 9:6. This gives compelling justification for a G_d ordained government to use Capitol Punishment. It is ALSO justification for a G_d ordained government to punish those murdering the unborn in the womb of their mother. No where is capital punishment abrogated in Scripture and is as valid today as in the days of Noah.
According to Ryrie, "Homocide (which in a sence is always fratricide--more on that later), demands punishment that matches the crime. The justification for capital punishment, here established, is the nobility of human life, which is made 'in the image of G_d.'"
It is not instituted primarily as a deterrent for crime, but as a strong reminder of the uniqueness of man, created in the image of G_d.
The Rt Rev, in his wishy washy belief concerning Romans 13, must believe he should stand before a liberal magistrate such as a Klinstone appointee. The only way Jackals will get justice in man's court is because he can afford it, or he knows the Masonic symbol of crossing his feet while inside the bar as a sign to the Masonic judge his his fraternal brother. It becomes quite clear Jackals has little comprehension as to who or whom is his brother.
According to Websters 1828 Dictionary,
"In scripture, the term brother is applied to a kinsman by blood more remote that a son of the same parents; as in the case of Abraham and Lot, Jacob and Laban. Persons of the same profession call each other brother, as judges, clergymen, professors of religion, members of societies united in a common cause, monks and the like.
Kings give to each other the title of brother, address their congregations by the title of brethren. In a more general sense, brother or brethren is used for man in general; all men being children of the same primitive ancestors, and forming one race of beings.
Brother-german is a brother by the father's and mother's side, in contradistinction to a uterine brother, or by the mother only."
We are brothers and sisters NOT because we have the same mother and/or father. We ARE brothers and sisters because we have the same primitive ancestors and we are Born Again-Saved the Bible Way and NOT from some vain imagination from the teachings of heretical men.
You can violate the commandment of "Thou shalt not kill" by violating another commandment of "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. i.e. lying.
Again from Websters 1828 Dictionary,
FRAT'RICIDE, n. [L. fratricidium; frater, brother, and caedo, to kill.]
1. The crime of murdering a brother.
2. One who murders or kills a brother.
Jackals also covets what he does not have. The Scriptural Truth based upon the sound, pure doctrine of the Blessed Apostles, once given in the Holy Word of G_d. It is with great interest to read on the Rt Revs page concerning he and his ministry being under attack. He justifies his calling in very Charismatic/Third Wave Pentecostal/Vineyard and Lighthouse Movement terms.
I sat at a Charismatic prophesy conference a few years ago. We ought to put Jackals up to the test the conference leaders spoke of. The "Apostle" stated if there was anyone in the audience who wanted to contend with their teachings(Third Wave Pentecostal/Vineyard-Lighthouse, etc.), he would bring them up on stage, put them on a scale and see if they could pass the gluttony test. It seams, according to their teachings, iff'in ya'll is overweight, your not following the Scriptures yourself and have no right to "judge" others.
Looking at his picture, Jackals doesn't pass the Charismatic "smell test." Jackals in NOT a brother in a Biblical sense. He is no different than that Mormon stake "bishop" who gives "temple recommend" cards to "worthy Mormons" so they may consecrate themselves, in the temple, for the Mormon version of the truth. He is no different than the RCC priest giving "communion" only to "worthy Catholics." Jackals would certainly put himself before the bar in the court of a Masonic "judge" in a civil matter.
Jack, yule either stand for something, or yule fall for anything. Loose your pragmatic, heretical teachings and get right with G_d, before it's too late!
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Jack Howell the Jangler With Great Pretensions as a “Divinely Anointed Bishop” jangle-jangle-jangle! -- Sola Scriptura, 10:04:32 09/29/02 Sun
Jack Howell the Jangler With Great Pretensions as a “Divinely Anointed Bishop” jangle, jangle, jangle, jingle, jing, jing, jing……..
1 Timothy 1:6 Precisely Nails Pretentious Bishop Wannabe Jack
”From which some having swerved…….”
Paul, the apostle, in this verse and the next, describes the persons he suspected of teaching other doctrines, such as Jack’s promoting the teachings of Finis Dake and Kenyon’s heresies, and “Daddy Hagin’s” WOF heresies, and of their introducing fables such as all who know Jack have witnessed. They were such who departed from sound doctrine, as has Jack. They erred from the commandment, or law, in spite of their great pretensions to a regard it. Jack likes to flash his fluff sites and fluffy title as pretense. But he, like those of whom Paul spoke missed the mark, the end and design of it; they went astray from that, and instead of promoting charity or love, created feuds, contentions, and divisions in the churches; and were far from having a pure heart, being filthy dreamers, and sensual persons, destitute of the Spirit of God, and were such who put away a good conscience, and made shipwreck of faith: such were Hymenaeus, Philetus, Alexander, and others, of whom he also says, they….
have turned aside to vain jangling;
which he elsewhere calls empty talk, and vain babblings, (1 Timothy 6:20) (2 Timothy 2:16) , from the solid doctrines of the Gospel, and a solid way of handling them, they turned to vain, idle, useless, and unprofitable subjects of discourse, and to treating upon subjects in a vain, jejune, and empty manner; entertaining their hearers with foolish and trifling questions and answers to them about the law, and with strifes about words, which were unserviceable and unedifying; they were unruly and vain talkers, (Titus 1:10) .
CAN YOU SAY VAIN JANGLER JACK?????
Jack Howell the Jangler With Great Pretensions as a “Divinely Anointed Bishop” jangle, jangle, jangle, jingle, jing, jing, jing……..
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Jack Howell the Jangler With Great Pretensions as a “Divinely Anointed Bishop” jangle-jangle-jangle! -- Right Reverend Jingle Bells is a false christ, 09:24:29 09/30/02 Mon
The anointing of God flows down the robe of Christ, and those who are truly joined to Him, in His Body, one spirit with him, partake of, and minister in, the anointing of the Son of God - simply because of their oneness with Christ, not in and of themselves.
What God wills and commands, receives his anointing. What man conceives, wills and does has NO anointing! Everything about the Rt Rev Jingle Bells is as PFAKE as those from the counterfeit revival movement.
Anybody, therefore, who acts and wills and ministers and preaches that which is not expressly the doctrine and will of God as does Jack Howell, has no anointing of God except in his delusional mind!
Anyone who acts on his own behalf, as Rt Rev evidences daily, and works from his own emotions, as Rt Rev continues to do, out of his own will, his own desires and his own temporal powers, PROVES to discerning believers that he is out of line with the Head and not acting as a member of the Body.
He does not have the anointing of God upon what he says and does (however much he may claim it). The only power source he can tap into is that of another spirit, the spirit of the false christ, the Lucifer who is the "light-bearer" of false wisdom.
Nonetheless, such false teachers like Jingle Jackals CLAIM to have an anointing. They come and teach "in the Name of Christ". They even claim they ARE the Anointed! Since no-one is The Anointed except Jesus Christ the Son of God, to claim to be "The Anointed of God" is to reveal their identity as FALSE CHRISTS. Pure and simple!
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The Dilemma All Roman Catholics Must Comfront - Not Knowing -- 96 thesis, 08:44:20 09/30/02 Mon
The Dilemma All Roman Catholics Like dori and Joanne Must Comfront
Hoping But Not Knowing
by James G. McCarthy
While filming Catholicism: Crisis of Faith, a documentary examining the teachings of Roman Catholicism, we set up our camera outside Saint Patrick's Cathedral in New York City. There we interviewed Catholics leaving Mass. We asked them how they hoped to get to heaven and whether they thought that they were going to make it.
"I sure hope so," Jack, a Catholic from North Dakota answered. Catherine, Jack's wife, agreed, "I hope so too. But there will be someone else judging that."
"Everybody hopes," a woman from France told us. "Every Catholic hopes." "You don't know what is going to happen when you get there," Norman, a resident of New York City, explained. "You might find a surprise waiting for you."
Joe from Baltimore was also visiting the cathedral that day. When we asked him if he expected to go to heaven, he answered, "I hope to. Yes, I expect to. And I hope to. My wife is I hope up there. She died about two years ago."
When we asked Joe if he knew he was going to heaven, he made an important distinction. "No," he answered. "I don't know. But I hope to. I don't think you know what is going on in the future."
Unlike every other religion I am aware of, true Christianity teaches that sinners can be accepted by before God through the righteous work of another (Romans 3:21-26; 2 Corinthians 5:21). It tells of a Savior who bore our burden for us (Mark 10:45; 1 Peter 2:24). The gospel of Jesus Christ is that eternal life is a free gift from God, available to anyone who repents and trusts Jesus to save him (John 3:16; Ephesians 2:8-9).
True Christianity also teaches that those who accept God's offer of salvation can know that they are going to heaven (1 John 5:13). Because their acceptance before God is in Christ, not themselves, they can have the assurance that their place in heaven is secure. Jesus, the good shepherd who laid down his life for his sheep, promises to keep them: "I give eternal life to them, and they shall never perish; and no one shall snatch them out f My hand" (John 10:28). God the Father is also active in the safekeeping of Christ's sheep. Jesus said, "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand" (John 10:29). The Holy Spirit also participates in guaranteeing the future of the redeemed. At the moment of salvation the Spirit comes to dwell in each believer "as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God's own possession, to the praise of His glory" (Ephesians 1:14).
The person who is wholly trusting Jesus for salvation knows he will go to heaven. Believing Christ's work on the cross to be perfect and sufficient, he ceases trying to achieve his own salvation through good works. He rests in Christ (Hebrews 4:10).
Rash presumption is what the Rome calls this, and right it would be if salvation were dependent, even in part, upon our own righteous deeds. But believing the promises of God is not presumption, but faith. Jesus solemnly promised,
Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. -- John 5:24
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Re: The Dilemma All Roman Catholics Must Comfront - Not Knowing -- 96 thesis, 08:47:08 09/30/02 Mon
The Dilemma All Roman Catholics Like dori and Joanne Must Comfront
Hoping But Not Knowing
by James G. McCarthy
While filming Catholicism: Crisis of Faith, a documentary examining the teachings of Roman Catholicism, we set up our camera outside Saint Patrick's Cathedral in New York City. There we interviewed Catholics leaving Mass. We asked them how they hoped to get to heaven and whether they thought that they were going to make it.
"I sure hope so," Jack, a Catholic from North Dakota answered. Catherine, Jack's wife, agreed, "I hope so too. But there will be someone else judging that."
"Everybody hopes," a woman from France told us. "Every Catholic hopes." "You don't know what is going to happen when you get there," Norman, a resident of New York City, explained. "You might find a surprise waiting for you."
Joe from Baltimore was also visiting the cathedral that day. When we asked him if he expected to go to heaven, he answered, "I hope to. Yes, I expect to. And I hope to. My wife is I hope up there. She died about two years ago."
When we asked Joe if he knew he was going to heaven, he made an important distinction. "No," he answered. "I don't know. But I hope to. I don't think you know what is going on in the future."
Unlike every other religion I am aware of, true Christianity teaches that sinners can be accepted by before God through the righteous work of another (Romans 3:21-26; 2 Corinthians 5:21). It tells of a Savior who bore our burden for us (Mark 10:45; 1 Peter 2:24). The gospel of Jesus Christ is that eternal life is a free gift from God, available to anyone who repents and trusts Jesus to save him (John 3:16; Ephesians 2:8-9).
True Christianity also teaches that those who accept God's offer of salvation can know that they are going to heaven (1 John 5:13). Because their acceptance before God is in Christ, not themselves, they can have the assurance that their place in heaven is secure. Jesus, the good shepherd who laid down his life for his sheep, promises to keep them: "I give eternal life to them, and they shall never perish; and no one shall snatch them out f My hand" (John 10:28). God the Father is also active in the safekeeping of Christ's sheep. Jesus said, "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand" (John 10:29). The Holy Spirit also participates in guaranteeing the future of the redeemed. At the moment of salvation the Spirit comes to dwell in each believer "as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God's own possession, to the praise of His glory" (Ephesians 1:14).
The person who is wholly trusting Jesus for salvation knows he will go to heaven. Believing Christ's work on the cross to be perfect and sufficient, he ceases trying to achieve his own salvation through good works. He rests in Christ (Hebrews 4:10).
Rash presumption is what the Rome calls this, and right it would be if salvation were dependent, even in part, upon our own righteous deeds. But believing the promises of God is not presumption, but faith. Jesus solemnly promised,
Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. -- John 5:24
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Who has the Biggest Phylactery: doris? Jack Howell? or Wussy-girl? -- passing by, 22:27:29 08/28/02 Wed
"Beware of practicing your righteousness before men to be noticed by them;
otherwise you have no reward with your Father who is in heaven!!!
Subject:
Just so you have NO EXCUSE TR about Jacks' e-mail
Author:WOG
Date Posted: 16:23:18 08/28/02 Wed
Here is the e-mail now "unblocked". Now what are you going to do about it?
Here is one recent email sent to Char:
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 09:19:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Rev. Jack Howell"
Subject: Char
To: nulifeinchrist@hotmail.com
Hi Char,
It is my understanding that you are leaving the
internet for about a year or longer. I would
hate to think you are leaving without some sort
of reconciliation between you and I, or at least
an attempt to reconcile our differences and
rebuild what was once a promising friendship. If
you would like to email me, you may do so at:
revjack_1@lycos.com or
revjackhowell@operamail.com
I look forward to hearing from you.
In His Service,
Jack
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Char
Date Posted: 22:26:25 08/28/02 Wed
It is NOT my e-mail addy Og, that belongs to BJ, so why would Jack e-mail BJ's e-mail to his board, to talk to me?
Nice try, no sale sherlock.
And, I don't trust Jack at all, zip, if he has anything to say, I am on the boards till Sunday, after that....
Good-bye!
iHs
Char :o\
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Matthew 6
5 "When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites;
for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on
the street corners so that they may be seen by men.
Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full.
Matthew 23
5 "But they do all their deeds to be noticed by men; for they broaden their phylacteries and lengthen the tassels of their garments.
Jack Howell, WUS and Doris have much in common. I am offended by these two supposed men of God publishing both "personal" letters AND person's personal e-mail information, along with their motivation. UG-LY spirits!
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Re: Who has the Biggest Phylactery: doris? Jack Howell? or Wussy-girl? -- A Catholic, NOT Roman, 07:09:50 08/29/02 Thu
doris, jack howell and wus are all the type of white washed sepulchres that the institution of the Antichrist loves, and will enlist to spy and report on God fearing, Bible believing Christians when persecution hits this nation.
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Re: Who has the Biggest Phylactery: doris? Jack Howell? or Wussy-girl? -- tamarisk, 08:55:23 08/29/02 Thu
Don't know Char or BJ and where they post, but they certainly have Jackals number. lol!
Almost forgot the smiley thingy. :)
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Re: Who has the Biggest Phylactery: doris? Jack Howell? or Wussy-girl? -- lurker, 22:07:28 09/28/02 Sat
Everyone see through Jack.
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Is "The" Reverend a PFAKE? Is He a Gossip and Slanderer of Others? -- Sola Scriptura, 11:01:19 09/25/02 Wed
posted by Serpent Egg at:
Subject: That Was Sola COWARDLY Hiding Behind The Names of
Author:
Rev. Jack Howell
"Wayne" and "Tina Louise" as a check of the IP numbers would reveal. They would also reveal "Southwestern Bell Internet" used by Sola.
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Only a slanderer and accuser or gossip would make such allegations without FIRST checking the IP#’s before engaging in flapping their mandibular muscles and maligning” innocent persons. Here is the REAL question, “REVEREND;”
ARE YOU, MAN ENOUGH TO APOLOGIZE TO SOLA SCRIPTURA IF YOU SLANDERED HER, LIED ABOUT HER AND WERE CARELESS AND UN-GODLY BY FALSELY ACCUSING HER?
Check those IP#’s big boi. Let us know what you find. I won’t hold my breath for you to demonstrate some God-like behavior or repenting from your wicked ways. You don’t know what you are talking about. You never do.
BTW: I don’t own proxy servers like YOU do. Have a nice day.
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Re: Is "The" Reverend a PFAKE? Does He INVENT Lies To HARM Others? -- Sola Scriptura, 11:04:48 09/25/02 Wed
Only a slanderer and accuser or gossip would make such allegations without FIRST checking the IP#’s before engaging in flapping their mandibular muscles and maligning” innocent persons. Here is the REAL question, “REVEREND;”
ARE YOU, MAN ENOUGH TO APOLOGIZE TO SOLA SCRIPTURA IF YOU SLANDERED HER, LIED ABOUT HER AND WERE CARELESS AND UN-GODLY BY FALSELY ACCUSING HER?
DOES YOUR TITLE GIVE YOU FREE LICENSE TO ACT LIKE THE DEVIL?
Check those IP#’s big boi. Let us know what you find. I won’t hold my breath for you to demonstrate some God-like behavior or repenting from your wicked ways. You don’t know what you are talking about. You never do.
BTW: I don’t own proxy servers like YOU do. Have a nice day.
Subject: That Was Sola COWARDLY Hiding Behind The Names of
Author:
Rev. Jack Howell
"Wayne" and "Tina Louise" as a check of the IP numbers would reveal. They would also reveal "Southwestern Bell Internet" used by Sola.
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Re: Do "The" Reverend PFAKE's Actions EDIFY the CHURCH? or do they only satisfy his BELLY? -- Sola Scriptura, 13:05:43 09/25/02 Wed
~A "DIVENLY CALLED" man would NOT have broached the issue of IP#'s in the first place.
~~ A MATURE man would have ignored it and NEVER MADE IT AN ISSUE or called other's attention to gossip.
~~~An SCRUPULOUS man would have verified his facts BEFORE speaking on the matter in public.
~~~~An ETHICAL man would refrain from jumping to accusing others of something that he has no evidence of.
~~~~~An IMPARTIAL and UPRIGHT man would have cited his evidence BEFORE publicly accusing others on hearsay gossip.
~~~~~~A PRINCIPLED man would check to see if he make a false statement after he was told he had.
~~~~~~~An ETHICAL man would admit his poor judgement and intention to cause harm others.
~~~~~~~~A VIRTUOUS man would seek to correct his actions and apologize to the party he maligned and ask their forgiveness.
PFAKE Bishop Howell is NONE OF THE ABOVE MEN.
>ARE YOU, Jack Howell, MAN ENOUGH TO APOLOGIZE TO SOLA SCRIPTURA
>BECAUSE YOU LIED ABOUT HER AND WERE CARELESS
>AND UN-GODLY BY UNSCRUPULOUSLY BARING FALSE WITNESS?
Rt. Rev Howelloween is a wolf who readily attaches himself to the title of “bishop” like a common leach, yet he declines any of the attending burdens of accountability or responsibility. The Rt Rev has demonstrated an ability to overlook many of scriptural demands placed on the title he covets. He is a virtue-less person who brings disgrace to himself, to Christ, and to the very church he claims to represent.
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Re: Do "The" Reverend PFAKE's Actions EDIFY the CHURCH? or do they only satisfy his BELLY? -- demon jack is twice dead, 15:15:04 09/25/02 Wed
Jack’s attack on Sola was entirely dishonest, cheap, and low. It was utterly hollow. It was wanting of biblical authority, of factual evidence, of constructive ideas, very nearly of facts--bereft of anything other than taunts and jibes and embarrassingly obvious lies. In short: Business as usual for a guy who calls himself “bishop” yet has no biblical calling to do such.
In addition, it was breathtakingly hypocritical, a naked visceral assault delivered in smarmy tones of moral condescension from a man pretending to be superior to mere believers of Christ. It was wretched. It was vile. It was contemptible. But I understand, that this is the was that man ALWAYS conducts his affairs. He is what his reputation states: Jack Howell is UTTERLY WITHOUT any moral compass. He is dead man’s bones.
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Why Did Rev Jack Become Stricken With PNEUMONIA During His Vacation Time? -- Booda, 23:04:03 09/27/02 Fri
God considers gossip, slander, backbiting, meddling, false accusations, false witnessing a grave violation of His Holiness and imposes grave punishment for such actions (Exodus 23:1-8; Deuteronomy 19:18-21; Proverbs 6:12-19; 12:17-23; 14:5-11; 19:5, 9; 21:28-31; 1 Corinthians 6:10; 2 Corinthians 12:20).
?????? Something to ponder. ??????
Could there be any correlation between Jack’s disgraceful actions that have him continually coming against believers;
his unsuitable behavior in the post of a so called "divinely anointed 'reverend' and 'bishop' of Christ" and his current case of PNEUMONIA???
PNEUMONIA right when he has his scheduled "vacation," no less!!!!! Hummmmmm. Who are we to say? But…..Think about it.
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Re: Do "The" Reverend PFAKE's Actions EDIFY the CHURCH? or do they only satisfy his BELLY? -- Jack Howell was called to his ministry by & for Jack Howell, 22:02:38 09/28/02 Sat
Jack’s attack on Sola was entirely dishonest, cheap,
and low. It was utterly hollow. It was wanting of
biblical authority, of factual evidence, of
constructive ideas, very nearly of facts--bereft of
anything other than taunts and jibes and
embarrassingly obvious lies. In short: Business as
usual for a guy who calls himself “bishop” yet has no
biblical calling to do such.
In addition, it was breathtakingly hypocritical, a
naked visceral assault delivered in smarmy tones of
moral condescension from a man pretending to be
superior to mere believers of Christ. It was wretched.
It was vile. It was contemptible. But I understand,
that this is the was that man ALWAYS conducts his
affairs. He is what his reputation states: Jack Howell
is UTTERLY WITHOUT any moral compass. He is dead man’s
bones.
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Re: Is "The" Reverend a PFAKE? Does He INVENT Lies To HARM Others? -- tamarisk, 08:13:19 09/26/02 Thu
Just a cult-like tatic for diverting from the real issues. I don't read T on T or the Dorito forums, but from what others have reposted, he does the same there.
Then again, how many people have Southwest Bell internet services? He has only exposed himself to be an internet whore. Just another pastor driven ministry led by a madman in need of wielding power, authority and weight around.
Let him do his father's bidding and let the lemmings all see him for what he really is.
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Re: Is "The" Reverend a PFAKE? Is He a Gossip and Slanderer of Others? -- tamarisk, 08:35:33 09/27/02 Fri
The major problem with Rt Rev, is he doesn't believe in "Sola Scriptura." He cuts and pastes numerous articles from some source using a multitude of Bible verses as his authority.
Yuse c. There was this Lighthouse coming up out of the prairie near Moore, Ok. That Lighthouse, BTW, came straight out of the pit of Hell. Its "light beacon" bellows a light of the god of this world, Satan, the debil. It relies on a message of "advanced revelation." Since Jackals and his minion Dorito can't accept G_d's Holy Word, The Bible, as their final authority, they fall prey to all manner of false and wrong doctrines.
Joel 2:28
28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
(KJV)
Here is what the Rt. Rev, Mags, and all manner of Modern Charismatic and assorted Pentecostals DO NOT understand about Scripture. It all hinges on the Nation Israel. Peter quotes the above verse of Scripture in Acts 2:32.
What is necessary for the establishment of Israel's kingdom?
1. The death of Messiah, and,
2. The availability of the Ruach HaKodesh, The Holy Spirit of G_d.
When Simon Kefa, Simon Peter, preached his message in Acts 2, the death of Messiah was a historic fact. All that remained , then, was the provision of the Spirit, which Peter identifies with the outpouring of the Spirit that prompted the speaking in tongues.
These two things together meet the Biblical requirements for Israel to establish its kingdom. But, because of unbelief, they cannot enter into these benefits; but when the time comes that they will receive their king and His kingdom, He will not need to die again, nor will the Holy Spirit have to be made available. Jackals, who are Biblical signs and wonders for?
To Jackals and all others who constantly preach wrong and false doctrines in thier perversion of Acts 2:38; where is the Jew when you speak in tongues? What you do Jackals, is show your anti-Israel beliefs each time you pervert this great Bible doctrine. You cannot stand for truth because YOU are BLINDED by the very "light" you profess to believe. I call it Rank Duplicity because it stinks. Your teachings stink of Hell because they came from Hell, they are about Hell, and to Hell, they will return.
Just as soon at the Rt Rev confesses and repents of his Rank Duplicity and hatred of the Nation Israel, then, and only then, can the G_d of the Bible reach his heart.
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Re: Is "The" Reverend a PFAKE? Is He a Gossip and Slanderer of Others? -- Jack Howell is a Counterfeit, 22:04:34 09/28/02 Sat
To Jackals and all others who constantly preach wrong and false doctrines in thier perversion of Acts 2:38; where is the Jew when you speak in tongues? What you do Jackals, is show your anti-Israel beliefs each time you pervert this great Bible doctrine.
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How to Bite the WIENIE in 24-Hours or LESS and have it exit the other end...so to speak -- by dori the reprobate, with preface by Oscar Meyer, 12:11:47 09/28/02 Sat
http://www.voy.com/111482/
How do YOU want that Wienie Madame Dori?
Sum mustard, kraut, onions, or cheeese wit dat WIENIE, dori?
LOL!
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FIFTY things you should know about PFAKE Ministries & VAIN JANGLERS -- Berean, 08:42:23 09/28/02 Sat
Fifty Things That You Should Know About Tongues and Healing So as To Not Be Fooled or Taken In by PFAKE Ministries OR Vain Janglers like Rev. V. Jangles
(I TIM I:4 6But certain individuals have missed the mark on this very matter [and] have wandered away into vain arguments and discussions and purposeless talk."AMP
"5The purpose of my instruction is that all the Christians there would be filled with love that comes from a pure heart, a clear conscience, and sincere faith.
6But some teachers have missed this whole point. They have turned away from these things and spend their time arguing and talking foolishness."NLT
1. The Jews, as a nation, began with signs (Rom. 4:11; Exo. 4:8, 9, 17, 28, 30; 7:3; 8:23; 10:1-2; 13:9; 31:13, 17; Deu. 4:34; 6:22).
2. The Old Testament Jews lived by signs (Deu. 11:18; Jos. 4:6; 1 Sam. 10:7; 2 Kgs. 19:29; Isa. 7:14; 38:7, 22; Ezk. 4:3; 20:12, 20).
3. The Jews demanded signs from the Lord Jesus Christ (Mat. 12:38; 16:1-4; 24:3; Jhn. 2:18; 6:30).
4. The Jews require a sign, not the Gentiles (1 Cor. 1:22; Jhn. 4:48).
5. According to the Lord Jesus Christ, the gifts of tongues and healing are signs (Mar. 16:16-20).
6. These signs were for the purpose of confirming the word of God (Acts 14:3; Heb. 2:3-4).
7. These signs are spoken of in the past tense in 2 Corinthians 12:12 and in Hebrews 2:3-4, not in the present or future tense.
8. Those who still look for signs and wonders today are on dangerous ground for the Antichrist will deceive the world with signs and wonders (Rev. 13:13-14; 2 Ths. 2:8-12). Like VAIN JANGLER.
9. The Lord Jesus Christ said that an evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign (Mat. 12:39).Like VAIN JANGLER.
10. The Bible speaks of various spiritual gifts to believers, but tongues and healing are never emphasized more than the other gifts (1 Cor. 12:4-11).Like VAIN JANGLER.
11. The gifts of tongues and healing were not considered the best gifts (1 Cor. 12:28-31).
12. The gift of healing was a sign (Mar. 16:17-18; Exo. 4:6-8; 2 Kgs. 20:8-9).
13. It is not God's will for all Christians to be healed (2 Cor. 12:5-10).
14. The apostle Paul could not heal himself (2 Cor. 12:5-10).
15. Near the end of his ministry, Paul could not heal Trophimus (2 Tim. 4:20).
16. Instead of healing Timothy, Paul gave him medical advice (1 Tim. 5:23).
17. Contrary to the modern faith healers, "love gifts" and "faith offerings" were not a part of the healing ministries of the disciples (Mat. 10:8-9).
18. A Christian who hasn't confessed his sins and repented of them has no business expecting God to heal him of anything (Psa. 6:1-4; 41:4; 2 Chr. 7:14; Hos. 5:10-13; 1 Cor. 11:29-32; Jas. 5:14-16; 1 Jhn. 1:7-10).Like VAIN JANGLER.
19. If modern faith healers really have the gift of healing, then they should prove their ministry by visiting hospitals and nursing homes and healing the sick, rather than writing books, holding healing meetings, and begging for money on television (2 Tim. 4:5; Mat. 10:8-16; 1 Tim. 6:5-10).Like VAIN JANGLER and Hagin.
20. Satan has the power to heal and this will cause millions to be led astray in the coming Tribulation Period (Rev. 13:1-4, 12).Like VAIN JANGLER.
21. The gift of tongues was given as a sign (Mar. 16:17; 1 Cor. 14:22).
22. The gift of tongues was the supernatural ability of some Christians to speak in foreign languages in the presence of unbelieving Jews (Acts 2:7-11). VAIN JANGLER speaks ill of Jews.
23. God has never caused or commanded Christians to speak in unknown tongues (Mar. 16:17; Acts 2:4; 1 Cor. 12:10; 1 Cor. 14). Like VAIN JANGLER.
24. The Bible never says once that tongues is the initial evidence of the baptism of the Holy Ghost.Like VAIN JANGLER.
25. There is no baptism of the Holy Ghost in 1 Corinthians 14.Like VAIN JANGLER claims.
26. Paul said that all true Christians were baptized into the body of Christ by the Holy Ghost (1 Cor. 12:13), and all true Christians were sealed with the Holy Ghost until the day of redemption (Eph. 4:30), but all Christians did not speak in tongues (1 Cor. 12:29-31).Like VAIN JANGLER teaches.
27. The Bible never says that the baptism of the Holy Ghost is a second Christian experience or blessing.Like VAIN JANGLER.
28. The baptism of fire is the condemnation of the wicked in Hell (Mat. 3:11-12), not being "on fire for the Lord."
29. Acts 2:3 speaks of "cloven tongues LIKE AS of fire," but the Book of Acts says nothing at all about tongues of fire or a baptism of fire. Like VAIN JANGLER.
30. If a person does not have the spirit of Christ, he has no business waiting for the baptism of the Holy Ghost, because he doesn't even belong to Christ (Rom. 8:9).Like VAIN JANGLER.
31. Pentecost was never a religious movement, or a religious experience. It was a Jewish feast day which always occurred fifty days after the Passover (Lev. 23:15-22 ).
32. Jesus said that when the Holy Ghost came He (the Holy Ghost) would not speak of Himself, because He would glorify Christ (Jhn. 16:13-14).UNLike VAIN JANGLER.
33. No Christian in the Bible is ever told to pray, preach, sing, or praise God in tongues.UNLike VAIN JANGLER.
34. The disciples received the Holy Ghost in John 20:22, but they did not speak in tongues when this happened.UNLike VAIN JANGLER.
35. The filling of the Spirit in Acts 4:31 and Eph. 5:18-20 does not include speaking in tongues.UNLike VAIN JANGLER.
36. When speaking of spiritual gifts in Ephesians 4:8-12, Paul does not mention tongues. UNLike VAIN JANGLER.
37. There were only three cases in the Book of Acts where people spoke in tongues (not unknown tongues), and these tongues were a sign to the Jews each time, because the Jews require a sign (Acts 2:1-11; 10:44-46; 19:6-8; 1 Cor. 1:22; 14:22).Like VAIN JANGLER.
38. The former and latter rain of Joel 2 has nothing to do with Acts 2 or the modern-day Charismatic Movement, because the rain of Joel 2 is literal wet rain from the sky in Israel (Joel 2:1-31). UNLike VAIN JANGLER.
39. Tongues are not even mentioned in the list of spiritual gifts in Romans 12:6-8.UNLike VAIN JANGLER.
40. Although tongues (not unknown tongues) were permitted in 1 Corinthians 14 (because there was a Jewish synagogue in Corinth - Acts 18:1-4), they were not encouraged because tongues did not edify the church (1 Cor. 14:4-5, 26).UNLike VAIN JANGLER.
41. It is better to speak five words clearly than ten thousand with an unknown tongue (1 Cor. 14:19). UNLike VAIN JANGLER.
42. No more than three people were allowed to speak in tongues in the church assembly, and then only one could speak at a time (1 Cor. 14:27).UNLike VAIN JANGLER.
43. No one was permitted to speak in tongues in the church without an interpreter (1 Cor. 14:27-28).UNLike VAIN JANGLER.
44. Women were not allowed to speak in tongues in the church (1 Cor. 14:34-35).UNLike VAIN JANGLER who consorts with and PROMOTES women in the church LEADERSHIP roles!
45. Those who did speak in tongues (foreign languages) had power over their own spirit (1 Cor. 14:32).UNLike VAIN JANGLER who is run by his demons.
46. A religious man who doesn't bridle his tongue is deceived and he has a vain religion (Jas. 1:26).Like VAIN JANGLER.
47. Many "seducing spirits" are in the world and it is every Christian's duty to "try" these spirits (1 Tim. 4:1; I Jhn. 4:1; Rev. 2:2). UNLike VAIN JANGLER who invites them into his "temple" for daily advise and communion with deceiving spirits!
48. The word of God is the standard by which we are to judge all doctrines (Isa. 8:20; 2 Tim. 3:16-17).UNLike VAIN JANGLER who is a DAKEITE and promotes false commentary. He has even dedicated websites, or promotes other's sites that are set aside for the purpose of promoting Dake's teachings. Just like Mormons promote John Smith'e teachings while claiming to be Biblical.
49. He that is spiritual judges all things (1 Cor. 2:15). UNLike VAIN JANGLER.
50. Teaching the Scriptural Truth about signs, healing, and tongues is not a matter of being mean, prejudiced, or intolerant. It is simply a matter of obeying the command to RIGHTLY DIVIDE God's word (2 Tim. 2:15). UNLike VAIN JANGLER!!!!!
Copyright © 1995 James L. Melton
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ACNR/Dolly/Bethany -- tamarisk, 09:34:03 09/27/02 Fri
From a message at PP indicating an Ohio execution:
http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/news/local/states/ohio/counties/wayne_county/4153812.htm
There are a number of interesting facts concerning the murder of Krista Lea Harrison. I first came in contact with Robert Buell about 8 years ago as the chairman of the Ohio state Prison Oversight Committee. It is a ministry of Doers of the Word Baptist Fellowship. The main purpose of the committee was, and is, spiritual. Where these men and women will spend eternity, is the main focus of the committee. Their rights as children of G_d, and making the "system" accountable for injustice, was the major emphasis of the committee.
I wrote Robert Buell while on Death Row at Mansfield Reformatory. My pastor, Ernie Sander(would never allow himself to be titled Reverend, as in the above news article) was Buells' pastor of record. We, as a committee, to a long look at the facts concerning the case of Robert Buell.
I helped investigate the crime scene, etc. We, as a committee, heard testimony from others who investigated and visited Buell, in prison. Was Buell always "defiant?" Yes! Was he "vague" concerning the facts and cooperative with those facts? Yes!
The only time Buell was cooperative is when I pointed out the fact that, the Attorney General, Betty Montgomery, wanted to strap Buell into "Old Sparky" as a test case for other death row inmates. The state of Ohio now uses lethal injection as its sole method of executing death row inmates.
There was, around that same time as the death of Krista, other deaths of children in Northeast/Central Ohio areas. We laid out the known death and abduction scenes on a map and found some startling information. The crime scenes could be, loosely, connected with a circle. Within that circle, there was the form of a pentagram. So, what I am saying is, there is evidence of Satanism. The question remains though, who controlled whom?
When observing various trials, in court, over the years, I became accustomed to noting the testimony and personal traits of law inforcement agents attached to the cases. There is enough evidence in the Buell case to indicate law inforcement officals in Wayne County had involvement in the murder of Krista Lea Harrison.
Buell, for his part, had knowledge but could not prove this. With the death of Buell, these agents of death in Northeast Ohio, within county law enforcement agencies, can breath easier today. How much longer will the evidence remain in darkness concerning Krista, Amy McCaulif, and others?
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ACNR/Dolly -- tamarisk, 13:36:14 09/25/02 Wed
Here's another Alt-St. Susan, Voy forum post, I pulled off of the wall.
Subject: hi ulu
Author:
dori
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Date Posted: 09:51:51 02/09/02 Sat
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I'll give you the URL for it tonight on Pager. I have to look it up. It isn't his room, it's the place where Draco found him and a couple others he sent to R1 a year ago to combat the MM2/ACNE contingency. It's called The Wall. Mostly punks hang out there, and when Stephen goes there he jerks THEIR chains, too. He's not really into that, but he has found a couple of good kids there and kind of influenced them in the right way. Dr. Good and Tiny are two. Also the girl who comes around every once in awhile called Siobahn. Stephen is an unusual person, IMO... grin.
So, back in Feb of this year, CGBHBS and Dorito were "buds." Just another example of Dorito's great discernment when it comes to posters on these forums.
One comes to R1 and posts as Debil's Advocate, from time to time. Dr. Good, posts and Dr. Evil at the wall. Both Ulua and the Bobblehead Demon dissed Dorito concerning their posts on IM and ICQ, etc.
1 Cor 4:5
5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.
(KJV)
Apparently, Dorito does not understand this verse of Scripture. There will come a time for an examination of the heart. It is truth that He alone is the Judge. He will then shed light on the hidden things, which Sh'aul defines as the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise for G_d.(literally "praise from G_d) G_d knows the mind and the hearts of men and will apportion to each his due praise.
In the meantime, the Dorito's of this world can't seem to resist those clearly demented, maimed in the mind by sin and Hell. Keep up your "good works," Dorito! Through you and your minions, the debil has proven he can't keep his demons together. ;)
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What's very wrong with dori's "polytheistic" religion? -- Dolly Llama, 18:39:58 09/24/02 Tue
What is Wrong With dori's Catholicism?
They say: "Christ Has Done 99% And 1% Is Up To Us" WRONG!
".. Pope John Paul II was offering Catholics visiting Rome a Plenary Jubilee Indulgence. Pilgrims were required to receive sacraments of penance and the Eucharist, visit the basilicas of Saint Peter, and Saint Mary Major, and at each location pray for the pope's intentions, his personal prayer requests. Those meeting these requirements would receive a complete remission of the temporal punishment of their sins.. [When a Catholic Sister was questioned:] "I thought you said that Christ had died for your sins, that salvation was through trusting Him!" [She replied] "Christ has done His ninety- nine percent. We have to cooperate by doing our one percent." (Good News for Catholics by James G. McCarthy, Fall/Winter 1996)"
Here is Paganism and Catholicism Compared
Did you know that devout (but pagan) Buddhists pray before a statue for hours with a rosary?
Did you know that relics of bones, teeth and hair are enshrined in Buddhist temples and worshipped?
Buddhist also keep guardian statues and images for protection and to repel evil spirits.
Did you know that a Buddhist priest has his own parish? Sweeping the Pagoda is considered to be an "act of Merit" and a Buddhist's favorite object of prayer is his Kuan Yin, a female goddess.
Did you know that in the pagan Taoist religion, a priest burns incense and asks "patron saints" to bless deceased family members?
Did you know that in Confucianism, they have a burning ceremony to release a soul from purgatory? Did you know that Islam worshipers make pilgrimages to touch and kiss sacred objects?
They also self-inflict wounds upon themselves. They build ornate mosques for the bodies of Moslem saints, and pilgrims come to pray at these tombs.
Did you know that heathen Hindus ring temple bells as a devotional act? That Hindus pray for the dead? That the Brahmin prays before images while kissing a string of beads?
Do these pagan religious customs sound familiar?
The question we must ask is, "Would a true, born-from-above-Christian do such things? Based on such Scriptures as John 14:26, 16:13, 1 Corinthians 12-14, the answer must be. "No!" More specifically, we ask, "Would a bonafide Christian enter a "temple" and participate in a service where "priest" makes a sacrifice for sin? Again basing our answer on such passages as Hebrews 6:4-6, 9:14, 10:10-14, 12:2, 1 John 1:7, Revelation 1:5, 5:9 and 2 Peter 2:20-22, we must reply that a true born again Christian would not. (Battle Cry, Chick Publications P.O.Box 662, Chino, Ca. 91708, Victor Bryditski)
Did the Gates of Hell Prevail Against the Church?
A Question to a Catholic Apologist stated: "You claim that the Roman Catholic Church (and presumably the Eastern Orthodox Church as well) went into complete apostasy and became the whore of Revelation 17. If so, then Christ didn't keep His promise that "the gates of hell" would not prevail against the church he founded, because for many centuries prior to the Reformation the Roman Catholic Church was the only Christian church there was.
I've heard this argument used by Catholic apologists such as Matatics and Hahn.
It is also used by Ken Samples in his articles in the Christian Research Institute Journal. It seems to make sense.
How do you respond?
Answer: Very simply. The paganization of Christianity began under Constantine and the apostasy began under Constantine and the apostasy worsened for centuries. Eventually the mass of professing "Christians" were identified with what came to be known as Roman Catholic Church.
It claimed to be the "one true Church" and excommunicated, persecuted, killed and even tried to destroy records of all who would not bow to its supreme authority and embrace its anti-Christ heresies.
Nevertheless, there were always groups of simple Christians who attempted to follow the Bible according to their consciences and who met not in the cathedrals of the "official church" but in the forests or other secret meeting places. One of the best books tracing these groups, "The Pilgrim Church", by Broadbent, after being out of print for years, is being reprinted.
Yes, Roman Catholicism is in total apostasy and has been for many centuries. No, that does not mean that the entire church fell into apostasy and thus the gates of hell prevailed against it, for there were always multitudes who were not part of the "whore of Babylon" as John describes her in Revelation 17.
dori please dispute the above information with FACTS, and cut the cheeky fromage.
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Re: What's very wrong with dori's "polytheistic" religion? -- tamarisk, 09:00:08 09/25/02 Wed
I have a friend in Texas who has a world wide ministry. He was offered, by an RC priest, the promise of a reward of "fifty-one years off purgatory" if he joined a "Catholic Order. These are the indulgences that Dorito, RonB and A Catholic could never grasp. When A Catholic posted on R1 of him asking his priest about these indulgences and the denial thereof, A Catholic fails to understand those of the RC faith can lie with impunity under the RC system of belief.
What matter is, you are a "faithful Catholic" like Dorito. One who sits and watches, holds her wooden godz, in the form of Rosary Beads, chanting some mantra of a prayer to her dead goddess, Mary.
George W. Bush is Dorito's type of president. He met, recently, with Pope John Paul II and exchanged idols of Mary as gifts. All the more reason to disbelieve GWB's "testimony" and him being a Born Again, Bible Believing Christian. GWB believes he has some special anointing from G_d to bomb Iraq and oust Saddam. GWB is no better than the Muslim scum who bomb innocent peoples or the Mossad, who, at any time, may launch an attack against AmeriKa and blame it on Arab terrorists.
GWB, essentially a Mason(Order of the Scull and Bones), carries on the false front of being a just and righteous man. He is nothing more than an Illuminati hack, doing its will by destroying the Constitution of the United states of America and its Sovereignty.
GWB's true god is Adam Weishaupt, the founder of the Order of the Illuminati on 1 May 1776. That same day, 1 May, was celebrated in the ancient Mystery Religions and by Baal worshippers. The Illuminati, secretly using the Masonic Lodges(Order of Scull and Bones) was responsible for the bloodbath in France called the French Revolution. Illuminati plotters designed the Great Seal and their esoteric plan for Novus Ordo Seclorum and a New World Order based on Luciferianism and the fake godz of ancient Egypt. I also suspect the flag, as we know it today, the non-Title 4 Flag, is an tool of these people. There are thirteen stripes which coincide with the number of major degees in Freemasonry. Then, by adding the golden fringe, you have adorned it as a military instrument. Your rights are diminished to that of a military court. Your schools, which in thier mind controlled fashion, become military.
It is as simple as the distinction between Common Law and Admirality Law, the law of the seas. Common Law is the law of the land, while Admirality Law, the law of the seas up to the high water mark of the oceans, has crept inland.
If you dispute this or thing this folly, just wait. You will be given a "choice" in the very near future. The subtile, satanic language being used concering smallpox injections are an indication. The RIM(Reality Impaired Media) is telling you, you have a choice in the matter of receiving these injections. You only hear a few muted comments on the dangers of the smallpox vaccine and its side effects.
Think yule have a choice in the matter?
Your only REAL choice is are you Saved, Born Again, The Bible Way, or condemned to an eternity in Hell. That is the choice! Heaven or Hell!
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