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Serpent Egg Howell Hatching New Lies & Doctrines of Demons -- Dolly Llama's Pointed TRUTH, 21:25:52 08/02/02 Fri
GREETINGS!! Brothers and sisters in Christ! REJOICE!
Martin Luther used to say "I often laugh at Satan, and there is nothing that makes him so angry as when I attack him to his face, and tell him that through G-D I am more than a match for him." -----REPENT demon jack!
SAK: “They love to look religious in front of men, but are inwardly empty, endorsing heretics and false prophets as men of God to deceive the unsuspecting into buying into their doctrines of demons, such as demon jack howell.
Investigation into demon jack's religious organization and affliliations are turning up some very, very interesting alliances with other ministers of Satan.”
Here is jack howell twisting the night away before men: “(Sola Scriptura and SAK-47) have been after me to denounce Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, and E.W. Kenyon, and the Word of Faith movement in general. It has gotten to the point of my being harassed constantly by those two, and regretably, I had to take action by reporting them to their ISP's, and in one instance, to the Campus Police department of the College whose computers one individual is using to malign, slander, misrepresent, and harass me.
I do not endorse everything Copeland and Hagin teach for they are most certainly in error when they teach that Jesus took on a demonic nature and had to be born again when He descended into Hell. They are cetainly in error when they teach that we are little gods. However, these men are called of God as ministers of the Gospel. They have slipped into error, and rather than crucify them as the "heresy hunters" and their wannabes do, and demand from me and others of Pentecostal persuasion, we should pray for them.”
No dice jack howell. In his constant endeavor to play “how can I fool them today” jack forgets that he in his pride leaves a paper trail that indicates that his teachings and book recommendations on his various sites, just don’t quite jive with his fleece-job above. “malign, slander, misrepresent, and harass me” Not exactly jack howell. Nice try though.
Jack howell recommends to all visiting his site, that they use the Dake study notes. The Dake Bible is very revealing. What do the notes say? SHAZAAM! They teach basically all the heresies that we have confronted jack howell with. AND MORE!!! Here are some passages from comments on the Dake Bible referenced on this site. And DOUBLE SHAZAAM! They are exactly what Hagin, Copeland and other heretics teach! Take a look.
Dake And Mormonism
There is an abundance of confusion in Dake's Bible and his other writings. None can be worse than the quote we started this expose' with, but other departures from truth certainly paint a picture of confusion. His teachings on God the Father that are found in his notes on the book of St. John are extremely revealing. Read these words carefully.
"He is a person with a personal spirit body, a personal soul, and a personal spirit, like that of angels, and like that of man except His body is out of spirit substance instead of flesh and bones.
"He has a personal spirit body; shape; form; image and likeness of a man. He has bodily parts such as, back parts, heart, hands and fingers, mouth, lips and tongue, feet, eyes, ears, hair, head, face, arms, loins, and other bodily parts.
"He has bodily presence and goes from place to place in a body like all other persons.
"He has a voice; breath; and countenance. He wears clothes; eats; rests; dwells in a mansion and in a city located on a material planet called Heaven; sits on a throne; walks; rides; engages in other activities.
"He has a personal soul with feel-ings of grief, anger; repentance; jealousy; hate; love; pity; fellowship; pleasure and delight; and other soul passions like other beings.
"He has a personal spirit with mind; intelligence; will; power; truth; faith and hope; righteousness; faithfulness; knowledge and wisdom; reason; discernment; immutability; and many other attributes." (Dakes Annotated reference Bible, Finis Jennings Dake, published by Dake Bible Sales, Inc., Lawrenceville, Georgia, New Testament, pp. 96-97)
I presume this is where Kenneth Copeland got his Mormon doctrine of God being about 6'2" tall and weighing about 220 pounds, with a hand span of nine inches. Also, Benny Hinn is reported to have applied his teaching on "Nine numbers in the Godhead" to Dake's Bible. He later confessed that error and said he was joking with his congregation.
Such ideas about God have no relevance in the Scripture, although Dake gives multiple quotes to back up this doctrinal commentary.
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Serpent Egg Howell Hatching New Lies & Doctrines of Demons -- Sola Scriptura, 07:03:10 01/06/03 Mon
Even though the following cut and paste begins with this statement: “What WE mean by Divine Trinity.…….” giving the intentional implied illusion that the poster (PFAKE, Inc.) is the intellectual originator of the following excursion into scriptural violence; we know Jackals did not coin it and that it is the copyrighted property of Finis Dake. The Rev. PFAKE, Inc. has stolen and plagiarized this specific laundry list scores of times. He has paraded his Dakite “numeric THIS” and Dakite Numeric THAT” through the streets of the net so often that he actually believes others who have it wafted in their faces are in some way obligated to consider it’s apostasy with serious reflection. He reminds me of someone reading The Book of Mormon. The point I find striking is that Jackals is either deaf, dumb and blind to his own cut and pastes and what they ACTUALLY SAY, or else he has been so corrupted by his involvement with Satan that he fails to understand that he is mimicking a man who is indicating a 9-part Trinity. In which he is a useful idiot. He repeatedly espouses heresy in his cut and pastes; THEN turns right around and snaps when he is told what they mean. At which point he will cut and paste someone else’s plagiarized works refuting his original cut and paste! The man is an unstable whack job. jingle, jingle, jangler.
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89 Proofs of The Trinity
Eighty-nine Proofs of A Divine Trinity
"What WE mean by Divine Trinity is that there are three separate and distinct persons in the Godhead,
The doctrine of the Trinity can be clearly seen, being understood by the visible things that are made, even to
His eternal power and Godhead (Romans 1:20). What on earth was created in the image and likeness of
God? Man (Genesis 1:26-28).
Do God's image and likeness consist only of moral and spiritual powers? If so, it can be concluded that man is only a moral and spiritual being.
Is God bodiless? If so, we can conclude that
man is also bodiless.
Is God only one being made up of several persons or beings in the one being? If so, we can conclude that
man is one person or being made up of many.
Does God need a flesh body in order to have any kind of
body? No! There are such things as spirit and heavenly bodies. See 1 Cor. 15:35-38. From this passage we
learn that all things in creation?grain, fish, birds, beasts, man, angels, and even the planets?have bodies, sizes, shapes, and forms.
The Bible declares that God has a body, shape, image, likeness, physical parts, a personal soul and spirit, and
all other things that constitute a being or a person with a body, soul, and spirit........." blah, blah, blah................89 times!
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Welcome jack-of-demons howell and hireling WOG -- A Catholic, NOT Roman, 06:46:02 08/08/02 Thu
Welcome jack-of-demons howell, please keep reading here so you will come under the conviction of the Holy Spirit upon hearing the TRUTH as opposed to the charismaniac lies of the devil that have you in their grasp and REPENT!
You, as a devotee of the heretic and false teacher Finis J. Dake have been further deceived by the demon spirits you allowed place in your life when you were a wiccan witch, blinded by the false sense of "power" those demons have convinced you of, you are in the same category of false prophet as Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Rodney Howard Browne, Kenneth Hagin, Joyce Meyer, Crefalo Dollar and the rest of the Word of Faith false prophets.
Yes, we know the litany of false prophesies and teachings that have come from the mouth of people like Benny Hinn, Rodney Howard Browne, Kenneth Copeland and others & we have been warned how serious their sin is e.g. that prophet shall die & thou shalt not be afraid of him. When we hear Benny Hinn bringing a curse against those true men of God and their families and children who oppose his error and nefarious ways, we are told quite clearly not to be afraid of him, and that he is only speaking presumptuously from the futility of his own heart.
You speak presumpuously from your own wicked heart, jack-of-demons howell, and are assisted by a "hireling" named, WOG, who also is under great delusion, and who willingly allows wolves into the sheepsgate to play among the sheep.
So, please keep reading here jack-of-demons howell, there is a lot here that YOU NEED to hear.
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Welcome jack-of-demons howell and hireling Mike -- AMEN!, 06:23:17 01/06/03 Mon
Amen! Brother ACNR! Don't forget hireling Mike.
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ACNR/Dolly/Bethany -- tamarisk, 10:03:46 08/16/02 Fri
In the "You don't know Jack, Jack" department.
Me thinks the nondescript, non-contextual Jackals has is Charismatic gifts of discernment crossed. I don't post G-D--I use G_d in a stronger Jewish way to indicate not taking the name of the Lord in vain. I do not hypenate Him either.
Neither does Jackals understand a true, New Testament Church. By the Grace of G_d, I do missionary work for my home church in Ohio. It is an Independent, Unregistered Baptist Church. Jackals understands nothing in that last sentence. He understands nothing about Independent, Unregistered, Baptist or Church. I support a ministry called Remnant Ministries who minister to Jews.
The Jackals and Mags types have proven themselves to be Jew haters and cultists because of their pride and their need to have followers. With the typical Apostolic Pentecostal posters, their prideful spirit, just like their daddy, the devil will be cast down to hell. Not a matter of if, but when.
Isa 14:12-15
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
(KJV)
I still owe ya'll an article on why you cannot be saved according to Act 2:38, in a Pentecostal/Charismatic/Third Wave Pentecostal church. Having "hands lain" upon me by a Pentecostal preacher, and seeing the coaching at the baptismal tank, I know you can only be "saved" in those whorehouses by their perverted teachings. Then there is the perverted doctrines of the "tongues movement" and "taking a dive for the Lord."(aka slain in the Spirit) lol!!!
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Re: ACNR/Dolly/Bethany -- tamarisk, 10:39:04 08/16/02 Fri
I may even enlighten Jackals as to Tamarisk being my last name, in part, in the Hebrew. :)
Concerning Jackals, I wonder. It the mark of a cult one which preaches the whole Gospel unto Salvation by Grace Alone, Through Faith Alone, Unto Repentance, IN the Mighty Name of HaShem Y'shua HaMechiach, or a perverted "follow me" type teaching from the pit of Hell? Jackals and Mags will tell you if you are not "saved" according to THEIR perversion of Acts 2:38, your not saved. If you don't believe what THEY are saying, you're wrong. They are more like the Jim Jones, a CIA operative BTW, than the unfiltered Truth in the Holy Word of G_d.
For Jackals, I am of Jewish ethnicity. I do teach the Gospel Truth Jewishly. I've run across more "Jews" in churches because of their denial of Y'shua as their risen Savior. However, Jackals, while I do use G_d Jewishly on these forums and in my writings, as I do write dates Jewishly,(I use C.E and B.C.E.) I do not castigate others for not doing so. I could care less how someone writes G_d. True cultists, such as Jackals and Mags, rant and rave for not following them.
Prov 16:16-23
16 How much better is it to get wisdom than gold! and to get understanding rather to be chosen than silver!
17 The highway of the upright is to depart from evil: he that keepeth his way preserveth his soul.
18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
19 Better it is to be of an humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud.
20 He that handleth a matter wisely shall find good: and whoso trusteth in the LORD, happy is he.
21 The wise in heart shall be called prudent: and the sweetness of the lips increaseth learning.
22 Understanding is a wellspring of life unto him that hath it: but the instruction of fools is folly.
23 The heart of the wise teacheth his mouth, and addeth learning to his lips.
(KJV)
Well, I've also poisoned wells and killed Protestant children, putting their blood in some stew. ;)
If you have ever encounted KKK/Skinhead/Neo-Nazi types, they don't know how to deal with me.(The typical Jackals/Mags, Jew hater types) They can't deal with one claiming to be a Born Again, Saved by the Grace of G_d, Bible Believing Jew, in the Name of HaShem Y'shua HaMechiach.(To interpret for Jackals--that's The Lord Jesus, The Messiah) They hate Mechiach Y'shua as much as the Jackal/Mags types because they pervert His gospel truth.
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Re: ACNR/Dolly/Bethany/Tamarisk ~ Re Dake & Hack Jowells -- Dolly Llama, 22:35:23 08/16/02 Fri
When I began building my religious library 25 years ago, or so, I bought a Dake Bible at the recommendation of the bookstore owner. My discernment was not as refined then as it is today. We all continue to learn and I Praise Jesus for continuing to teach me by the day.
The Dake Bible was scanned over several times the day after it's purchase. Something about it was wrong. I did not know what it was, I just knew it was not right. I may have had several specific issues with the Bible at the time, however 20 years later (25?) I have no idea waht it was today. I just remember that I did not give the Bible more that a week's time to give me very strong rumblings that it should not be read. I may have even thrown it out, because it is no where to be found.
These following passages have remained in my mind after recently reading them and reflecting how precisely they discribe the self appointed bishop. Consider JR Chamber's words as they pertain to all that we have seen with Rev. Hack Jowells. It so fits my own observation with Dake!
"Many years ago I became leery of the Dake's Bible, but never really understood why. The only thing I could identify was
that those who became strong in their study of Dake also became arrogant and unteachable.
If Dake said it, then it really did not matter what anybody else said or what the general difference was in other Scriptures.
I basically quit using the Dake's Bible about twenty years ago and simply put it on the shelf.
Finally, I am beginning to learn why the inspiration I experienced caused me to move away from Dake's Annotated Reference Bible. I never saw the deceptive quotes that I have recently discovered, probably because to begin with I never used it much.
As I have now learned, the Dake's Bible was really the text of the Charismatics before there was a movement called "Charismatic." Let me give you one Scripture that is foundational to what Hagin, Copeland, Hinn, Crouch, etc. are now teaching around the world.
This quote from Dake's Bible is the very first New Testament note in the edition that I have owned since the early seventies. The edition I am quoting from is the sixth printing, December 1971.
"Gr. Christos, 'Anointed.' - Used in N.T. 577 times. Like the name "Jesus" it has no reference to deity, but to the humanity of the Son of God, who became the Christ or the "Anointed One" 30 years after He was born of Mary. God "made" Him both Lord and Christ. The Heb. Is 'Messiah'." (Dake's Annotated Reference Bible, Finis Jennings Dake, published by Dake Bible Sales, Inc, Lawrenceville, Georgia, New Testament, p.1.)
No Biblically solid minister or Bible student would accept the quote above.
It is rank heresy and must be totally rejected or our view of Jesus Christ as the eternal Son of God is compromised.
To suggest that Jesus became the Christ or the "Anointed One" thirty years after Hs birth is to commit heresy. This is an ancient heresy that is called "adoptionism." "
This is infact the same heresy espoused by dori this week.
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ACNR/Dolly/Bethany/Tamarisk ~ Re Dake & Hack Jowells -- St. Iguanas, 06:18:01 01/06/03 Mon
This thread was interesting to re-read.
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WHAT MUST I DO TO BE SAVED? -- BY EVANGELIST JOHN R. RICE, 00:09:46 01/06/03 Mon
What must I do to be saved? Here in the simplest, shortest form is put the question to which every man must learn the answer, or spend eternity lost, away from God, suffering the torments of the damned! Thank God, this question is asked and answered in the Word of God so simply that every soul can understand it.
There are other questions in God's Word which affect the soul's welfare, and many places in the Bible is the plan of salvation made plain, but only one place is this question given word for word, and there, too, we find the answer.
Paul and Silas were in jail in the city of Philippi and at midnight they sang and prayed until God broke down all the doors and broke the stocks which held their feet, with a mighty earthquake. The poor jailer, frightened and convicted of his sins, came to these two preachers and asked this question. Read it in Acts 16:29-31:
"Then he called for a light and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."
"What must I do to be saved?" "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved"! There is God's plan of salvation, the only plan He has for every man, woman and child who was ever born into the whole world.
WHAT MUST I DO?
Sinner, there is something you must do if you would be saved. There was hope for this jailer because he saw himself a lost sinner and came trembling to inquire, "What must I do?" Reader, you are a sinner. The Word of God from beginning to end emphasizes that fact. In Isaiah 53:6 we learn:
"ALL we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned EVERY ONE to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us ALL."
We have all gone astray! The Lord is not content for sinners to be left believing themselves good. In Romans the third chapter, how positive, how certain is the Word of God that every man, woman and child is a sinner!
"What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are ALL under sin; As it is written, There is NONE righteous, NO, NOT ONE: There is NONE that understandeth, there is NONE that seeketh after God. They are ALL gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is NONE that doeth good, NO, NOT ONE"!--Rom. 3:9-12.
In verses 22 and 23 it is stated again that "there is no difference: for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." That is the reason Jesus said to Nicodemus in the third chapter of John, "Marvel not that I said unto thee, YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN." And a little later in the same chapter, verse 18, He said that the man who has not believed in Jesus is already condemned.
Certainly these Scriptures must make it clear to every man who believes the Word of God that he is a sinner, and until he has believed in Christ and has been saved, he is a lost sinner and needs saving. The heart is wrong, and only God can make that right. Then if you want to be saved, you must admit in your own heart, "I am a sinner. I am lost and need to be saved." No one ever was saved without coming for salvation as a sinner.
CHRIST DIED TO SAVE SINNERS, NOT GOOD MEN
Oh, I beg you, see it today! You are a poor, lost sinner, a Hell-bound sinner! Your heart is black. You have hardened your heart, you have resisted the call of God, you have rejected Christ. However good you are in man's sight, you are a terrible sinner, and unless you turn to Christ you must spend eternity in Hell. A SINNER! That is what you are. Admit it in your own heart, confess it to God. You are a sinner and you need saving worse than you need anything else in the world.
If you have settled in your heart that matter, then you are ready to learn God's answer to your question, "What must I do to be saved?"
BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST
Here is God's simple way to be saved. You are a sinner, your heart is wrong, you cannot save yourself, you are already condemned. The thing you are to do then, to be saved, is to simply trust the Lord Jesus with that matter. When you do trust Him, then you have God's promise, "Thou shalt be saved."
I do not mean that you are simply to believe that there is a God or that there is a Saviour. Devils believe that and tremble (James 2:19). You can believe that a certain physician is a good doctor without calling him to be your doctor when you are sick. You can believe that a certain man is a good lawyer without taking him as your lawyer to defend your case. You are not just to believe the truth about Jesus; you are to believe on Him, that is, depend upon Him, risk Him, trust Him; and when you do, you are saved.
NOT SAVED BY GOOD WORKS
Of course, you do not deserve salvation. There is nothing you can do that will make you worthy of it. You cannot be saved by keeping the Ten Commandments, for the Scripture clearly shows that you have not kept them. Romans 3:20 says:
"Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his own sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin."
The same thing is told in Galatians 3:11 which says:
"But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith."
Many, many Scriptures repeat again and again that there is no salvation through human goodness.
"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost."--Titus 3:5.
"FOR BY GRACE ARE YE SAVED THROUGH FAITH; AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES; IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD: NOT OF WORKS, LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST."--Eph. 2:8, 9.
We had as well admit, then, that no man deserves saving and no man can save himself. Salvation must be free or the sinner could never get it. In fact, it takes blood to pay for sin, for the Scripture says:
"Without Shedding of Blood Is No Remission"--Hebrews 9:22
"For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly."--Rom. 5:6.
"All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all."--Isa. 53:6.
Peter tells us that all of us are bought by the blood of Christ:
"Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot."--1 Peter 1:18, 19.
Every lamb, bullock, heifer, goat, turtle dove and pigeon offered in the Old Testament times on the altar pictured this: that man, a guilty sinner, must have some innocent one to shed his blood to pay for one man's sins. Jesus died for our sins, and, thank God, salvation is bought for every man in the world, if he will have it, as the free gift of God.
"For the wages of sin is death; but the GIFT of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."--Rom. 6:23.
Dear sinner, remember that church membership will not save you. If you have been baptized that cannot save you. Baptism does not save, does not keep anybody saved. It is only an act of duty for those who have already found Christ as their Saviour. A moral life or lodge membership or good citizenship--these must all fail to bring salvation, for it is "not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us" (Titus 3:5). Don't depend, then, on what you do, but on what Jesus did and promises to do for you.
WHAT ABOUT REPENTANCE?
Does not the Bible say that we must repent? Yes, the Bible plainly says that "God ... commandeth all men every where to repent" (Acts 17:30), and again, "Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3, 5). This was the preaching of John the Baptist, of Jesus, of Peter and of Paul, that men should repent. And certainly repentance is God's plan of salvation. The trouble here, however, is that men misunderstand what repentance means, and there has grown up an idea that repentance means a period of weeping and mourning over sin, or sorrow for sins. This idea comes from the Douay Version of the Bible which instead of "repent" says "do penance." So the place of inquiry, where people should be taught the plan of salvation from the Bible, in revival meetings, became "the mourner's bench" and thousands of people have been taught that God would not hear their prayer nor forgive their sins until they went through a process of sorrow and mourning over their sins!
Do not misunderstand me. God is anxious for you to have a penitent, broken heart over your sins. You have gone away from God. You have trampled under foot the blood of Jesus Christ, wasted years of your life which you can never live over again. You have served your father, the Devil. There is plenty for you to weep over, and I am not surprised if you feel deep shame and sorrow in your heart that you have so mistreated the God who made you and the Saviour who died for you. I am not surprised if you cannot keep back the tears! But what I want you to know is that tears or no tears, however much sorrow you may have in your heart, or not have, those things do not save you.
You ought to be sorry for your sins and ashamed of them. "Godly sorrow worketh repentance" (2 Cor. 7:10)--the right kind of sorrow leads to immediate repentance, but mourning is not itself repentance.
"Could my tears forever flow,
Could my zeal no respite know,
These for sin cold not atone;
Thou must save, and Thou alone."
To repent literally means to have a change of mind or spirit toward God and toward sin. It means to turn from your sins, earnestly, with all your heart, and trust in Jesus Christ to save you. You can see, then, how the man who believes in Christ repents and the man who repents believes in Christ. The jailer repented when he turned from sin to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.
INSTANT SALVATION!
The jailer did not go through a period of mourning. He was told to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ; he did just that and was saved, and his whole family was saved the same way, immediately, the same hour of the night. Everywhere you look through the New Testament you find that people were saved all at once without any process, without any period of mourning. Zacchaeus, up a tree, trusted Jesus and made haste and came down, and received Him joyfully (Luke 19:6-9). Jesus said, "This day is salvation come to this house." When Peter told Cornelius and his assembled household that they could be saved by believing, immediately "while Peter yet spake these words," the Scripture says, the Holy Spirit came on them and they were happily saved (Acts 10:44-48). The thief on the cross, wicked sinner that he was, who a few minutes before had been railing at Jesus, was saved immediately when he inquired of Jesus (Luke 23:42, 43). In the first chapter of John, verses 35 to 49, we see where Andrew, Simon Peter, Philip and Nathanael were all converted, one by one, immediately by faith in Christ. There is no record of any person in Bible times who was ever told to wait, or mourn, or weep over his sins before trusting Jesus and being saved! One who believes in Christ has repented. Repentance and faith are the same thing put in different words, and neither requires a long period of time, nor a process of mourning and sorrow.
Salvation is instantaneous. All that keeps you today from being saved is the wickedness of your heart that holds on to sin and will not run to Jesus to trust in Him for salvation. I beg you, turn in shame and sorrow from your sins this minute, and trust in Christ and be saved!
CAN ONE BE SAVED WITHOUT PRAYER?
In the Bible there are many cases of sinners who prayed like the thief on the cross or the publican in the temple. In fact, Romans 10:13 says:
"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."
Many people believe that a sinner cannot be saved without a period of prayer, without consciously calling on God. However, the Bible does not say that a sinner must pray in order to be saved. In fact, immediately following the verse in Romans 10:13 is an explanation which shows that calling on God is an evidence of faith in the heart and that it is really faith which settles the matter. Read it again.
"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed?"--Rom. 10:13, 14.
The Lord encourages the sinner to pray, and the Lord hears and answers the sinner's prayer, if that sinner trusts in Jesus Christ for salvation when he prays. He heard the prayer of the thief on the cross, of the publican in the temple, of blind Bartimaeus. But the Scripture says, "How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed?" Certainly every one who is to be saved must believe. Prayer is evidence of faith. No matter how long one prays, if he does not trust in Christ, he can never be saved. If he trusts in Christ without conscious prayer, then he is saved already. There is just one plan of salvation and just one step a sinner must take to secure it. That step is to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ!
Some way we preachers have left the impression on this poor world of sinners that God is hardhearted and that it takes many tears and loud cries and long periods of sorrow before He will hear and save the sinner. We have left the impression that God does not care whether sinners are saved or not, and that sinners must some way touch the heart of God and get Him ready to forgive. What a slander on a good and holy God who "so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." Man's sins are already paid for, God's wrath is already turned away from any sinner who wants to be saved. Both the Father and the Son are a million times more anxious to save every sinner than the sinner can be to get saved! Thank God, I do not have to beg God to forgive my sins. He will do it the minute I am willing to trust it with Him.
HOW TO GET THE CHANGE OF HEART
This simple way of being saved by faith seems so easy, and it is. Some sinner may say, "But I thought one must have a change of heart." So you must, dear sinner, but that is God's part. Jesus was talking to Nicodemus when He said, "Ye must be born again," and in the same chapter He tells Nicodemus how to get the new birth.
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."--John 3:16.
The change in your heart, sinner, is God's part and you may be sure He will attend to that. Your part is to simply believe in Him. Whatever else is necessary in your eternal salvation, the Lord attends to when you trust in Him, or believe in Him.
HOW SHOULD I FEEL?
Some people have an idea that the change of heart is a matter of feeling. Some do not want to claim Christ as Saviour until they have the mysterious feeling that they want. Do not let the Devil deceive you here. I believe in heartfelt religion, and thank God for the joy which He gives to me day by day. But the Bible nowhere tells how one must feel before he is saved, nor does it anywhere say how you feel after you are saved. In fact, people do not feel the same. Feeling varies with the person saved. Some cry when they are saved, some laugh, and a few shout aloud the praises of God. One is no more saved than the other. What you want, dear sinner, is salvation, and you should be satisfied to feel any way that will please the Lord, just so He forgives your sins.
Be sure you notice another fact, too, and that is that you cannot feel right until you get right. Rejoicing does not come before you trust the Lord. One does not feel the result of medicine before he takes it. The Children of Israel in the wilderness, bitten by fiery serpents and at the point of death, were not healed and did not feel healed until they looked to the brass serpent on the pole (Num. 21:6-9). People are not saved by feeling; they are saved by trusting in Christ. The prodigal son, away from home in the hog pen, decided to arise and go to his father, but he did not feel good. He was without shoes, clothed in rags, without the ring of sonship, without any evidence of his father's forgiveness, perishing with hunger! Yet he arose and came to his father, not by feeling, but by faith in his father. Thank God, his father received him, like God receives every sinner who will come. And when the prodigal boy sat down at his father's table, with shoes of the gospel of peace, clothed in the garments of righteousness of Christ, with the ring of sonship on his finger, eating the fatted calf at the right hand of the father, happy in his love, then he has plenty of feeling. Feeling comes after salvation. Leave the feeling with the Lord and come to the Saviour by faith today.
After you are saved, you will get peace and joy out of following the Lord in baptism, reading His Word, winning souls and otherwise pleasing Him. You need to go to the Lord again and again day by day for the joy of a Christian life. But thank God that salvation is settled once and for all when you simply depend upon Christ as your Saviour.
WHAT ABOUT PUBLIC CONFESSION?
Every person who is saved ought to publicly confess Christ. Matthew 10:32 and Romans 10:9 plainly teach that God will claim as His child any of us who will claim Christ as our Saviour, but we simply confess with the mouth what we have already trusted in our hearts. Concerning that very matter Romans 10:10 says:
"For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."
To claim Christ as your Saviour simply proves that you trust Him in the heart. Likewise with all other promises in the Bible about how to be saved. "Him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out," says John 6:37; and salvation is promised in John 1:12 to as many as receive Jesus. But you could not come to Christ without trusting Him, and John 1:12 shows that receiving Jesus is the same as believing on His name.
Dear sinner, do not make this a difficult matter. There is one simple step between you and Jesus. When you trust Him, everything else is settled, and you have repented, you have come to Christ, you have received Him, you have done everything necessary to be saved. Take the answer in Acts 16:31 at face value: "BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, AND THOU SHALT BE SAVED"! In dozens of Scriptures all through the Bible salvation is promised to those that believe. Read carefully the following Scriptures and see that again and again, many, many times, God has promised all any poor sinner would ever need when he believes on the Lord Jesus Christ.
"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that BELIEVE on his name."--John 1:12.
"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever BELIEVETH in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever BELIEVETH in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."--John 3:14-16.
"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that BELIEVETH not is condemned already, because he hath not BELIEVED in the name of the only begotten Son of God."--John 3:18.
"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that BELIEVETH not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."--John 3:36.
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and BELIEVETH on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."--John 5:24.
"And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and BELIEVETH on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."--John 6:40.
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that BELIEVETH on me hath everlasting life."--John 6:47.
"To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever BELIEVETH in him shall receive remission of sins."--Acts 10:43.
"And by him all that BELIEVE are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses."--Acts 13:39.
Read again the Scripture we started with:
"What must I do to be saved?"
"BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved."--Acts 16:30, 31.
Trust Jesus, the Great Physician
If you were sick and about to die, and there was some good doctor whom you could trust, would you not risk him to take your case, give you the necessary treatment, and with God's help get you well? Then just like that, trust in Christ, depend on Him for your salvation, and turn it over to Him today. With the same kind of faith that will call in a doctor and risk him for your body, you can call in the Lord Jesus Christ and risk Him to forgive your sins and save your poor lost soul! He said, "They that are whole need not a physician, but they that are sick" (Luke 5:31). He is the Great Physician and will heal your soul instantly if you will trust Him. As you would trust a doctor, submit to his treatment, depend on him for results, so trust Jesus today about your soul. To be sure, human doctors fail many times. Their results at best are gradual, and so no doctor is a perfect picture of Jesus. The doctor can work no miracles, but Jesus can, and the change that is needed in that poor, wicked heart, He will make immediately, instantly, without any further effort on your part, when you trust Him!
JESUS IS OUR LAWYER
If you had committed a crime and were thrown in jail, probably the first thing you would do would be to send for some lawyer in whom you had confidence and trust him with the entire matter of your defense. In God's sight you are a criminal, condemned already and with the wrath of God upon you day by day. But God has provided somebody to take the part of us poor sinners, criminals before the bar of God's justice, and Jesus is that lawyer, for the Scripture says:
"If any man sin, we have an advocate [or lawyer] with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world."--1 John 2:1, 2.
Jesus will not only be your lawyer to defend your case; He has already paid the penalty and you may safely trust Him to have you immediately pardoned and justified! Why not simply risk Jesus as you would risk a good lawyer? Jesus is better than any lawyer, of course, and you do not have to pay Him a fee, and He never fails.
A WEDDING
A young man and young woman stand together, side by side, before the preacher. The preacher says, "You will join right hands." Then to the young man he says, "Do you take this young woman to be your lawfully wedded wife, to love her and cherish her until death do you part?" He answers, "I do." To the young woman the preacher says: "Do you take this man to be your lawfully wedded husband until death do you part?" She answers, "I do." Then the preacher says: "I pronounce you man and wife," and they are married in the sight of God and man.
What a simple picture of salvation! Jesus is the bridegroom and we who trust Him are to be His bride. Already Jesus has loved you and has long urged you to accept His love. Jesus invites you to accept His love. Jesus invites you to believe in Him right now and be saved and so become a part of His bride. Will you not right now with the same simple faith of that young woman who takes a husband, accept Jesus as your Saviour and say to Him, "I do."?
MAKE IT SURE--CLAIM HIM TODAY!
The way is plain and you can be saved this moment if you will.
Surely it has become plain, dear lost sinner, that it is your own fault if you are lost! Do you hate Jesus Christ? Will you hold on to your sin and go to Hell for your stubbornness? Nothing in the world could show your wickedness like postponing this matter. You can be saved right now, this minute. I beg you, do it now. Turn your whole heart from sin to trust in Christ. Choose for Heaven against Hell, choose for Christ against Satan. Do not let Satan deceive you any longer. If you delay, it may result in a hardened heart, a wasted life and a tortured soul in Hell! And if you are not saved, when God has made the way so plain and paid the price for your sins, then you have no one to blame but yourself. Will you trust Jesus Christ today and be saved?
"Boast not thyself of tomorrow; for thou knowest not what a day may bring forth."--Prov. 27:1.
"Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation."--2 Cor. 6:2.
"Today if ye will hear his voice, Harden not your hearts."--Heb. 3:7, 8.
God has given you this heartbeat, this breath, this moment in order to trust Christ, but there is no promise of another. I beg you do it right now, and then claim Him as your Saviour.
One who trusts Jesus Christ as personal Saviour should publicly claim Him before men. "For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation" (Romans 10:10).
After trusting Jesus Christ you should join a church and be baptized. I hope you will find a good Bible-believing church and attend faithfully.
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Sanctification and Justification : What is the Difference? -- Sola Scriptura, 23:56:26 01/05/03 Sun
Greetings in Christ Dear Ones: Just skimming over all the confusion at http://www.voy.com/84031/. I can't read but one or two posts without having to bail out. Was noting that the mis-informed Char (Remember her? She's the one on record who announced for a month that she would not post for another year and yanked everyone around with that sham for weeks who is into metaphysical shaman speudo medicine - THAT Char.) ahe has weighed in with her colored crayons and 72 point typeface in an effort to elevate her flawed, apostate opinion over most every one else's flawed doctrine. Their problem over there is confusion over two seperate doctrinal issues that they have tossed into the same vat and have come out with witch's brew of incoherent confusion.
They would save themselves quite a lot of trouble, and perhaps even be conducive to saving some of the poor lost souls at that place if they would first define two terms correctly: Sanctification and Justification instead of flying by strings of their phylacteries.
Understanding the difference between justification and sanctification can be as important as understanding the difference between salvation and damnation. Rightly dividing between the two is of crucial importance. When you understand the what they are, you can then draw a line in the sand and say, "This is what saves. This is not what saves."
Justification is the work of God where the righteousness of Jesus is reckoned to the sinner so the sinner is declared by God as being righteous under the Law (Rom. 4:3; 5:1,9; Gal. 2:16; 3:11). This righteousness is not earned or retained by any effort of the saved.
Justification is an instantaneous occurrence with the result being eternal life. It is based completely and solely upon Jesus' sacrifice on the cross (1 Pet. 2:24) and is received by faith alone (Eph. 2:8-9). No works are necessary whatsoever to obtain justification. Otherwise, it is not a gift (Rom. 6:23). Therefore, we are justified by faith (Romans 5:1).
Sanctification, on the other hand, involves the work of the person. But it is still God working in the believer to produce more of a godly character and life in the person who has already been justified (Phil. 2:13). Sanctification is not instantaneous because it is not the work of God alone. The justified person is actively involved in submitting to God's will, resisting sin, seeking holiness, and working to be more godly (Gal. 5:22-23). Significantly, sanctification has no bearing on justification. That is, even if we don't live a perfect life, we are still justified.
Where justification is a legal declaration that is instantaneous, sanctification is a process. Where justification comes from outside of us, from God, sanctification comes from God within us by the work of the Holy Spirit in accordance with the Bible. In other words, we contribute to sanctification through our efforts. In contrast, we do not contribute to our justification through our efforts.
Does this mean that those justified by grace can sin as much as they want?
Romans 6:1-2 says, "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer in it?"
1 Thess. 4:7 says, "God has called us not for the purpose of impurity, but in sanctification."
The Scriptures teach us that we are to live holy lives and avoid sin (Col. 1:5-11). Just because we are saved and eternally justified before God (John 10:28), that is no excuse to continue in the sin from which we were saved. Of course, we all sin (1 John 1:8).
What Sim, Murr and others fail to recognize is that the war between the saved and his sin is continuous (Rom. 7:14-20) and it won't be until the return of Jesus that we will be delivered from this body of death (Rom. 7:24). To continually seek sin and use God's grace to excuse it later is to trample the blood of Christ underfoot (Heb. 10:29) and to reveal the person's true sinful, unsaved nature (1 John 2:4; 2:19). (Other verses worth checking out are: Heb. 12:14; 1 Pet. 1:14-16; and 1 Pet. 2:21-22.)
What the cults and false religionists do with justification and sanctification
The cults consistently blur the meanings of the two terms and misapply the truths taught in God's word. This is evidenced at dori’s forum and it really does a disservice to those struggling with the true meaning contained in God’s Word. The result is a theology of works righteousness, of earning their salvation which only leads to damnation.
This is because by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified (Gal. 2:16). Man cannot contribute to his salvation (Gal. 5:1-8). Because man is sinful even his best deeds are stained and filthy before God (Isaiah 64:6). Therefore, making a person right before God can only be God's work (Gal. 2:20).
Typically, in cult theologies, a person is not justified (declared righteous in God's eyes) until the final day of judgment (or purgatory) when his works are weighed and a reward is given or he is found worthy of his place with God.
Thus, a person with this errant theology can not claim 1 John 5:13 as their own which says, "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may believe on the name of the Son of God."
Contextually, "These things" refers to loving God, being obedient to Him, belief in Christ, and eternal life in Jesus. Therefore, 1 John 5:13 can be considered a test. If you are believing and doing the right things, then you will know if you have eternal life. Can a cultist know he has eternal life? No. He cannot. But a Christian can.
People in cults don't understand the difference between justification and sanctification.
Therefore, they must depend upon a cooperative effort with God to have their sins forgiven which is, essentially, combining the filthy works of man (Isaiah 64:6) with the holy work of God.
They don't mix. They can't. Hence, salvation is by grace through faith, alone. To believe anything else is to miss salvation.
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Dakite False Profit Benny Hinn Bilks His Followers For Millions -- FYI, 23:29:30 01/05/03 Sun
Benny Hinn -- False Prophet and Dake Bible User
TV mega-preacher, Benny Hinn, used a false prophecy to extort millions of dollars from unsuspecting victims. He warned TBN's TV audience that 1999 was going to be a year of plenty and the year 2000 would bring disaster.
He threatened the viewers that those who didn't double their giving in 1999 would not survive the year 2000. Even the donors who had already called in their pledges were ordered to call back and increase their giving or face the consequences. This certifies Benny Hinn as a false prophet.
This isn't the first time Hinn has prophesied falsely. Back in 1989 he prophesied to his congregation at the Orlando Christian Center in Florida what he was seeing for the decade of the 1990s.
"The Lord also tells me to tell you in mid 90s -- about '94 or '95, no later than that -- God will destroy the homosexual community of America . . . He will destroy it with fire."
"The Spirit of God tells me -- an earthquake will hit the East Coast of America and destroy much in the 90s."
"The Spirit tells me -- Fidel Castro will die in the 90s. . . Holy Spirit just said to me, it'll be worse than any death you can imagine."
After 20 minutes of prophesying to his congregation that night, Hinn appeared to be "drunk in the spirit." When he came to his senses he said, "I'd like to know what I said. I was totally gone."
Yet no matter how many times Hinn's false prophecies have been exposed, he still performs to overflowing crowds in stadiums around the world.
Hinn shares his latest blunder with 700-Club founder, Pat Robertson, though Robertson could not be reached to verify his involvement.
It was the spring, 1999 Praise-a-Thon, Trinity Broadcasting Network's (TBN), biannual fund-raiser, seen around the world via satellite. From the discussion between Paul & Jan Crouch and their guests, pledges were down because people were apprehensive anticipating potential troubles arising from Y2K hysteria. 'Prophet' Hinn exhorted TBN's supporters to not let Y2K fears affect their donations.
Hinn started out by establishing his credentials as a prophet of God. He called upon TBN's fellow guests for help in interpreting a disturbing dream he had had. "I do not fully understand it," he lamented, "but I really believe it deals with what God is about to do in the world."
He gave a long narrative of his mystical dream that he said was "more of a vision of the night" than a dream. "In this dream, I did not see his face," Hinn began. "Everything in me knew it was the prophet Elijah . . . I walked up to him and he was turning water into blood." Hinn continued, "As I came to him, he said to me, 'Take this!' I took the rod from him.".
When he finished, fellow guest Mark Chirona, offered the interpretation. "The formless essence of Elijah is the spirit of Elijah that God promised to pour out on the last days' company of seasoned ministry that will literally fulfill everything that God promised under the old covenant that would come into the new covenant of a prophetic order that would change the course of history."
Hinn responded. "I feel the anointing here while he is talking!" " Chirona continued, "And when Elijah handed you the rod, God was putting in your hand a new level of apostolic authority for the nations. . . You are entering into a new age of the miraculous. There will be a sharpening, for the spirit of Elijah rests on you."
Hinn laid out his first prophetic message under Elijah's mantle. "Pat Robertson, in January, said 'I have just come out of two days of prayer and fasting. The Lord has said to me that this year, 1999, would be the greatest year for the body of Christ, economically and spiritually, but beginning the year 2000, disasters would hit in the world, economically and otherwise, and only those in the church who have been giving to God would be spared.'"
Turning his attention to the viewers, Hinn said, "So when I say to you here and in your home, increase your seed, God knows you can and you must because if you do not, you will be the one to suffer."
TBN supporters then jammed the phones in order to survive the coming year of disaster. Hinn gave dire warnings to those that pledge and then fail to follow through. "And one final thing, if you break your promise, hear this! Some of you make a pledge and along the way you decide to forget about it. The Bible says God will destroy the work of your hands if you do that . . . We can't play games with him!"
" Now, some of you will have to step out in faith tonight," Hinn said. "You may not even have the money right now. In fact, most times you make a pledge you don't even have it."
Then he followed up with a warning to the skeptics. "You know, you do not get under the kind of anointing I get under just because you sing hallelujah," Hinn said.. ''There's a heavy price and I would not want to be in the shoes of the one who touches the anointing. Don't touch the anointing!"
"I'm giving you a prophetic word. You know the scripture says they prospered because they obeyed his prophets. I'm telling you tonight, I'm speaking prophetically. Obey the Lord!"
Hinn had a solution for those who were short on cash, -- liquidate! ""You know if I was you and God spoke to me like this, I'd take it out of my investments to give it to God now cause it's already spring and the year 2000 is almost next door."
So now that the year 2000 has come and gone with no casualties to count, will TBN refund the extorted funds? Don't count on it! ~ Article found in a web search on the Christian Sentinel
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Conditional Salvation? .......or, as one could say, "Eternal Insecurity". -- Dolly Llama, 23:07:49 01/05/03 Sun
...or, as one could say, "Eternal Insecurity". This belief states that the security of one's salvation is based upon conditions... that it can be lost or regained depending on the person's obedience and holiness. Indeed, this goes to the point that the believer is uncertain of how he stands before God - is he justified or not? But salvation is on the basis of grace alone through faith alone, and therefore, since it is of God and not of ourselves, cannot be lost lest God be shown to be mutable.
IT IS FINISHED! Not a "work in progress."
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Conditional Salvation? .......or, as one could say, "Eternal Insecurity". -- ekklesia, 23:16:07 01/05/03 Sun
The most agonizing problem about the assurance of salvation is not the problem of whether the objective facts of Christianity are true (God exists, Christ is God, Christ died for sinners, Christ rose from the dead, Christ saves forever all who believe, etc.). Those facts are the utterly crucial bedrock of our faith. But the really agonizing problem of assurance is whether I personally am saved by those facts.
This boils down to whether I have saving faith. What makes this agonizing - for many like dori, and to those in the history of her church, and those in liberal doctrines today - is that there are people who think they have saving faith but don't. For example, in Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus says, "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven. Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you who practice lawlessness.'"
So the agonizing question for some is: do I really have saving faith? Is my faith real? Am I self-deceived? Some well-intentioned people try to lessen the problem by making faith a mere decision to affirm certain truths, like the truth: Jesus is God, and he died for my sins. Some also try to assist assurance by denying that any kind of life-change is really necessary to demonstrate the reality of faith. So some like Jack Howell, dori, gerard and others find a way to make James 2:17 mean something other than what is seems to mean: "Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead." But these strategies to help assurance backfire. They deny some Scripture; and even the minimal faith they preserve can be agonized over and doubted by the tormented soul. They don't solve the problem, and they lose truth. And, perhaps worst of all, they sometimes give assurance to people who should not have it.
Instead of minimizing the miraculous, deep, transforming nature of faith, and instead of denying that there are necessary life-changes that show the reality of faith, we should tackle the problem of assurance another way. We should begin by realizing that there is an objective warrant for resting in God's forgiveness of my sins, and there is a subjective warrant for God's forgiveness of my sins. The objective warrant is the finished work of Christ on the cross that "has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified" (Hebrews 10:14). The subjective warrant is our faith which is expressed in "being sanctified."
Next we should realize that saving faith has two parts. First, faith is a spiritual sight of glory (or beauty) in the Christ of the gospel. In other words, when you hear or read what God has done for sinners in the cross and the resurrection of Jesus, this appears to your heart as a great and glorious thing in and of itself even before you are sure you are saved by it. I get this idea from 2 Corinthians 4:4, where Paul says that what Satan hinders in the minds of unbelievers is the "seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God." For faith to be real there must be a supernatural "light" that God shines into the heart to show us that Christ is glorious and wonderful (2 Corinthians 4:6). This happens as a work of the Spirit of God through the preaching of the gospel.
Second, faith is a warranted resting in this glorious gospel for our own salvation. I say "warranted resting" because there is an "unwarranted resting" - people who think they are saved who are not, because they have never come to see the glory of Christ as compellingly glorious. These people only believe on the basis of wanting rescue from harm, not because they see Christ as more beautiful and desirable than all else. But for those who "see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ" their resting is warranted.
What this means practically is that we should continually look to the cross and the work of God in Christ, because this is where God makes the light of the gospel shine. Secondly, we should continually pray for God to "enlighten the eyes of our hearts" (Ephesians 1:18). Thirdly, we should love each other; because, as John said, "We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren." In the end, assurance is a precious gift of God. Let us pray for each other that it will abound among us.
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Dolly -- tamarisk, 10:26:20 01/03/03 Fri
Yule like this. I see Fowler has, once again, tried to post one of his cut and pasties to my yahoo email titled--Dake and Seven Dispensations.
Didn't have time to read it so it got canned. Too bad!! lol!!
I remember listening to Fred Price, a number of years ago on TBN, taking a month or more on why Dake was a racist. My take, on Dake, is he was on par with Margaret Sanger who started Planned Parenthood. Sanger believed the best thing to do for poor, black babies is to execute them in their mothers womb.
Dake, on many levels, is not worthy of consideration for study in bible doctrine.
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Tamarisk! Didn't You Didn't Know - Dake Is SO "Anointed" He Changes His Bible From 10-Feet Under! -- Dolly Llama, 19:25:19 01/03/03 Fri
>Yule like this. I see Fowler has, once again, tried
>to post one of his cut and pasties to my yahoo email
>titled--Dake and Seven Dispensations.
Leon Bible at the request of the Dake family, has in the past been assigned the task of changing, re-arranging, and editing portions of Dake’s original “inspired” writings. He has lead the effort of redacting unsavory portions of Dake's heretical doctrine to make it more palatable and less conspicuously offensive to discerning believers. So, we should take our cue from the recent example of Bishop Integrity, Incorporated, - who announced that he was whipping out his - - - 1917 edition of Scofield to supposedly get the “original writings” of the author. No wonder he is leery of newer Bible editions, hummm? It is advisable for others to do the same when referencing Dake to these slippery folks. You may be certain that when they attempt to make a case for their god, Dake; they will not volunteer the fact that either Dake has been changing the text by writing from his GRAVE or, that Leon Bible has slipped in a “new and improved Dake’s Annotated Bible” and just happened to forget to tell the person they are citing as “uninformed.” This may be one such case where Dake decided to alter the words “God” originally gave him and he is changing his original dispensational teachings from his GRAVE! Remember, however that Finis Dake claimed that his writings came to him directly from God. Dead OR Alive!!! LOL!
It is correct to condemn the writings of Finis J. Dake as undoctrinal, unorthodox, and dangerous heresy. We have made others aware of that position by stating in clear language the heretical nature of those same writings. It is our intent to continue to do so.
I leave you with Paul's final instruction to Timothy, which is really for us as well and an excellent reminder of the reason for your not accepting into your sight the heretical e-mail from a demonically influenced sender:
"Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge, which some have professed and in so doing have wandered from the faith.
Grace be with you." (1 Timothy 6:20-21)
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Tamarisk! Didn't You Know - Dake Is SO "Anointed" He Changes His Bible From 10-Feet Under! -- :-), 19:55:57 01/03/03 Fri
QUESTION FOLKS: WHAT’S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?????
”A few days ago, I took the initiative and emailed Tamarisk, in the spirit of Christian love. ”- Rev. Jack Howell on Jan 3, 2003, 4:30 PM
•" Tamarisk Caught In Another Error - Rev. Jack Howell on Jan 2, 2003, 4:29 PM
• "More Ranting From Tamarisk - Rev. Jack Howell on Dec 31, 2002, 9:16 PM
• "A New Rant From "Tamarisk" - Rev. Jack Howell on Dec 30, 2002, 8:09 PM
• "Tamarisk The False Teacher, Rants Again - Rev. Jack Howell on Dec 24, 2002, 5:55 AM
• "Another Depraved Rant - Rev. Jack Howell on Dec 22, 2002, 12:09 PM
• "Another Rant From The Warped Thinking of Tamarisk - Rev. Jack Howell on Dec 21, 2002, 4:06 AM
• "After Days of Silence, Tamarisk Speaks! - Rev. Jack Howell on Dec 20, 2002, 4:00 AM
Can’t you just Fe-e-e-e-e-L The Fowler’s “Christian” LOVE! Can anyone blame Tamarisk for not accepting Jackal's email? Bet it was so full of more of that "love" don't you?
He must like his "love" rough, ya think? :-):-):-)
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Fowler's Love Light Is On - But No One Is Home -- :-):-):-), 00:27:03 01/04/03 Sat
So THAT’S Why Jack could never captivate or hold on to a wife!
Minister: Jangler, do you take this woman and promise to LOVE her til death do you pa?
Jangler: ”Yes. I will give her “Christian Love” until death do we part”
Bride to be hittin’ the road soon: ”You call THAT ‘love’? You expect ME to vow to put up with THAT garbage on a daily basis for the rest of my life??????? You’re a few fries short of a Happy Meal. I’m outta here, you don’t have all the dots on your dice. Later lover.”
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Dolly -- tamarisk, 08:12:18 01/03/03 Fri
Got an interesting call yesterday. A woman from the American Center for Law and Justice called seeking donations. The call took around 10 minutes, part of which involved listening to a taped message by Jay Sekulow.
The exchange amuzed me as it brought to memory Abraham contending with the Lord in Genesis 18 over Lot, in Sodom. She started out by wanting $200-500 donations. I explained my position on the registered church with their love of the goobermints 501 c 3, tax exempt status.
She listened to my reasons for not giving monies to 501 c 3 corporations, hiding behind the title of Church and Pastor. I don't support a Baptist, RC, etc., institution calling themselves a "church" being registered by the goobermint. The Chinese Fire Drill being foisted on the undiscerning public by organizations such as PFA, Inc, etc., is at testament to the stoopidity of the majority of people calling themselves Christians.
What I find annoying about these people is their lack of integrity. They say one thing to one group to appease them, then turn around and same something else to another.
The radio program of What's Right/What's Left is about $33,000 in the red because of their strong stance against the corporate church, the RCC and other cults in AmeriKa, and bad goobermint.
Six years ago, I was in a position to pay $2,200 for on month of air time. Today, I am not but certainly would, if I could. I have been asked by Pastor Ernie to come back and help him in the ministry. I am praying over this. Pastor Ernie wanted me as ministry manager some years ago. It is a major undertaking to oversee Doers of the Word Baptist Fellowship, Missionaries to the Unborn, the Prison Ministry where Pastor Ernie is pastor of record for about 65 convicts. This alone requires much attention. There is scheduling visits, corresponding with inmates and prison officials concerning problems within the system, the investigation of their complaints, etc. I imagine I would be doing the major portion of the reading and research for guests on the daily radio program.
I've been here in the desert for a bit over 5 years now. I've taught bible study to a number of people, mostly RC's. I've helped start an Independent Baptist Church. A small congregation holding up the KJV as the only acceptable bible version. I had 5 years to stand for truth in the public "fool" system. It's a sad commentary on people professing to be Christians, teaching in the "fool" system, having a testimony, but fearful of telling the truth because of their position and paychecks.
I often wonder, whether it is teachers, goobermints, etc., what wouldn't they do for money?
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Serpent Egg's Web Design - Ideal Metaphor For His Apostate Teachings -- Sola Scriptura, 01:08:50 01/03/03 Fri
When I opened my first art gallery in So. California on a shoe string, I was in my early 20’s. To keep the lights on I worked a number of part time jobs. One that was a particularly unique experience was that of being a professional stage dancer for off Broadway plays in a dinner theatre. I was able to do something that I loved, work in the evening at a family type establishment, and get paid for it. I only did it for a year. We did Fiddler on the Roof, and your standard fare. One of the most enjoyable productions was Cabaret. The stage play being infinitely superior to the movie, as was Fiddler.
The Kit Kat Klub (in Cabaret) provided a haven for those who wished to escape their troubles in Hitler’s Berlin with singing and cabaret antics. The Kit Kat Klub dancers, donning fishnet stockings, and stacked heeled dancing shoes, high kicking and leaping over customer’s tables was the most athletic and fun to perform with a tremendous audience response. It was held over many weeks to sell out crowds.
Just before the intermission after the first act, all the stage lights were up. Sally Bowles and another performer began singing a light duette. As they sang they gravitated towards center stage in the natural course of the song. As they sang, they rotated toward the audience. As they were singing and the orchestra was playing other cast members appeared and they slowly joined them in song as they also, began what was to become a single line of performers. It all seemed very natural at first as the performers were singing a German cabaret-type happy song. While this is going on, the lights are becoming darker and red-er in hue. The audience is pitch dark. Before the audience has a chance to grasp the situation, what was at first a social mingling of happy Berliners singing a pub song in the bright outdoors; was beginning to be a single file line of all the performers, lining up shoulder to shoulder in a military precision line. The happy music they were singing had seamlessly made a transition to ``Horst Wessel Song'' -- the anthem of the Nazi party –their voices were becoming bolder, strident, the stage lighting was getting red-er and red-er. The shadows becoming blacker. Suddenly as they were loudly proclaiming ``Horst Wessel Song'' the audience became aware of the hideously ominous change as all the actors and dancers were simultaneously slow-ly lifting their arm in a Nazi salute in unison. As the orchestra was hitting it’s stride with ``Horst Wessel Song'', everyone had completed their salute, singing boldly, their arms stiffly extended, held aloft; bodies and faces blood-red, stage dark except for the red persons saluting Hitler. They completed their song. The music abruptly ends and the theatre goes completely dark. A split second later a circular white spot shines on the mime-faced master of ceremonies (Joel Grey character) who is perched on the roof tops in the middle of the stage in back – when the spot lights his black and white face, he lets loose with a momentary hideous cackling ominous three second laugh. The audience would collectively gasp! Night after night. The house goes dark for a few seconds. Then the house lights would go up for intermission and every night the stunned audience would be dead quiet and numb for15 seconds before they began stirring. Incredibly gripping and effective production.
What made me recall this blast from the past? In what struck me as an equally hideous and ominous way, but in a different sense was when I looked at Jack Howell’s new graphics on his “bandwidth” that “he pays for with his own money” (Big whoop!)
As if painted on a theatre scrim, Jack has this fuzzy image of what he perceives to be “Jesus” as the background for his page. - That in itself is a topic for discussion. - But what gripped me was the way the page is set up by this non-thinking wicked man. As one scrolls down his page to read the information below, this graven image of “Jesus” drops down BEHIND JACK’S POSTS AND EFFORTS AND JACK’S CONTRIBUTIONS RAISE TO THE TOP OF THE PAGE – JESUS DROPS BEHIND THE TYPEFACE, SINKS TO THE BOTTOM AND DISAPPEARS! The concept in all its ugliness is precisely a reflection of Jack’s “ministry” and witness on the net. Jack first. Jesus second. It sends chills down my arms watching as Jesus sinks down and Jack’s information is elevated, and masks the image of Christ. PERFECT METAPHOR FOR JACK HOWELL, HIS WORKS, FRUIT, AND WITNESS.
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Dolly -- tamarisk, 07:46:51 01/02/03 Thu
WRT--"This is what PFAI recommends on it’s site: ” The Dake Annotated Reference Bible from Dake Publishing, is like no other study Bible on the market.,,,,then two paragraphs are dedicated to advertising Dake’s works.”"
I know Dake publishes their "study" bible in numerous translations. I have many bible versions in my library. What I use, almost exclusively, is a couple of KJV versions. I have the Parallel KJV with comentary from Liberty University. Then, I use the Defined KJV from the Bible for Today Ministries, edited by Dr. D.A. Waite. While I am not a major supporter of Jerry Falwell and Liberty, I do enjoy most of the commentary parts. I don't agree with everything there because a few of the commentators have used other bible versions for reference. With the commentary, the pages of the Book are up over 2000 making it difficult to "carry" on the streets.
I do enjoy the literature from The Bible for Today Ministries. The "Defined KJV" only has the words "difficult words" defined at the bottom of the pages. No commentary. Just words defined to make the text more understandable.
While the Rt Rev Fowler and Kear freely admit they are not 501 c 3, they have all the markings of the corporate church in AmeriKa. What was Fowlers' original "problem" with what you, ACNR, and myself was posting about his website, testimony, and what he was posting elsewhere? His claim was he had exclusive rights to these writings and we could not repost them elsewhere. He threatened legal action, to contact phone companies, ISP's, even threatened ACNR with contacting the "authorities" concerning from where he was posting. There are "Fowlers'" in many "churches" today. The Jackals type will be the "leader" of the Moore chapter of the TIPS, Neighborhood Watch Groups, in the coming daze. Dumbed down, prissy preachers; those in the corporate, 501 c 3, tax exempt church in AmeriKa today, are a great problem because they don't believe the Bible and "IT IS FINISHED."
Jackals threatenings carry about as much weight as the myth of Satan Claus, Father Time, The Easter Bunny, etc. The Fowler types live in some fantasy world of their own creation and imagination.
Both of those Bibles I mentioned above acknowledge they have NO right to claim ANY ownership over the text of the KJV. They do, however, have a right to the commentary portion and whatever they may have added to define the text. If Fowler uses a KJV version of Dake, he is free to use entire verses, chapters and books of the Bible for whatever purpose he chooses. ANY OTHER VERSION IS COPYRIGHTED BY ITS RESPECTIVE PUBLISHER. The text, therefore, belong to that publisher and, like the Dake commentary, belongs to them. The "C" within the circle denotes a copyright the publisher reserves all rights to the text. Most of these contain "fair use" clauses under the UCC, allowing the public to use no more than 1000 words or verses for private use. If using in a book for profit, the respective publisher must be given credit on the title page.
I had an instructor at BBI who was careful about giving a certain bible version out for people to use because of the commentary. His words were akin to, "it stinks!" Having read and heard many comments about the Dake study bible, I'll not be spending my money on this perverted commentary.
I called the radio program on Tuesday and talked with Pastor Ernie off the air after, for about half an hour. Pastor Ernie was amuzed about the "Bishop of Moore." People are deceived because of what the Church of Today isn't. Real men, preaching the whole truth and the whole Word of G_d are scarce today. They've been bought and paid for, lack guts and courage, and given over to false doctrine.
Pastor Ernie plays an intro song on his show. Some of the words go, "I'd rather die on my feet, than live on my knees." The inference here is, while prayer is important, you can't stay on your knees and please G_d. You can't be a lukewarm, pew warmer, in the name of Y'shua. The true "spirit-filled" Church of Today will be an Activist Church. I often pray while pacing the floor. That day if quickly approaching when True Born Again, Bible Believing Christians had better learn to pray on their feet, while doing good works for the Lord.
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Tamarisk -- ekklesia, 18:00:03 01/02/03 Thu
"What was Fowlers' original "problem" with what you, ACNR, and myself was posting about his website, testimony, and what he was posting elsewhere? His claim was he had exclusive rights to these writings and we could not repost them elsewhere. He threatened legal action, to contact phone companies, ISP's, even threatened ACNR with contacting the "authorities" concerning from where he was posting. There are "Fowlers'" in many "churches" today. The Jackals type will be the "leader" of the Moore chapter of the TIPS, Neighborhood Watch Groups, in the coming daze. Dumbed down, prissy preachers; those in the corporate, 501 c 3, tax exempt church in AmeriKa today, are a great problem because they don't believe the Bible and "IT IS FINISHED."
Jackals threatenings carry about as much weight as the myth of Satan Claus, Father Time, The Easter Bunny, etc. The Fowler types live in some fantasy world of their own creation and imagination."
GREAT POST!
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The Cunning & Craftiness of Men in Their Deceitful Man-Made Apostasy -- Sola Scriptura!, 17:13:42 01/02/03 Thu
Heresy itself, which is the result of making a wrong choice among competing ideas, may have been entered into as a result of being deceived (EPH. 4:11-18) or of falling into a snare of Satan. Heresy becomes apostasy, however, whenever a person deliberately decides to reject Bible truth and maintain and promote false ideas.
---- Relevant Quote From The 20th Century’s most ardent spokesman for the gap theory: "Who are the harlots [of Revelation chapter 17]? All the Protestant churches."” (Herbert W. Armstrong, Ambassador Report, p.15, citing a sermon of May 7,1974.) see who this man is below.
~ ~ ~ The gap theory postulates that between Gen. 1:1 and 1:2 there was an entirely different creation which, some claim, was wiped out by a "Satan's Flood," and after which the earth was re-formed and the six days of Genesis creation commenced. Perhaps the most ardent 20th century spokesmen of the gap theory was false prophet, heretic, and seditionist founder of the Worldwide Church of God; televangelist Herbert W. Armstrong (1892-1986) - With much in common with heretic Finis Dake, Armstrong claimed to have the only true interpretation of the Bible, while Dake claimed his interpretation to be “inspired” revelations directly from God!
The gap according to another televangelist, heretic, and deceiver among the flock; Benny Hinn, - along with various other sorted heretics like Finis Dake and Jack Howell is said to have involved great eons of time. When a concept doesn’t contain logic and it has no proof, the trick is to add BILLIONS of years to it to validate it.
This gap theory was formed in response to the uniformed idea of long ages first applied by geologists in the nineteenth century. Keep in mind that there is a reason this theory is new to the true church. Bare in mind that where true modern science and archeology have confirmed the previous long held Biblical teachings which were taken on faith, this vacuous exercise regarding a “gap theorem” contradicts BOTH sound traditional Biblical understanding, AND science. It has no legitimacy in either camp. But what we only care about here is this: The gap theory is contradicted by the Bible itself on a number of counts.
1. Genesis 1:2 gives us a list of three qualities: the earth was formless and empty; darkness covered it; and the Holy Spirit was hovering, or vibrating (same word in the Hebrew) over the waters. No Hebrew historical narrative starts with a list of qualities. The explanation ALWAYS follows the general statement of where the history starts or is headed. Thus, Genesis 1:2 would be rightly seen as an explanation of the earliest moments following the creation of the time/space/mass continuum in Genesis 1:1.
2. 2 Peter 3:5 states clearly that the earth was formed out of water and by water. No reference is made to land preceding that, which is what the gap theory proposes.
3. Ezekiel 28:12-17 is generally considered a "double" passage containing a parenthetic pertaining to Satan as well as an address to the king of Tyre. In it, the being referred to was in Eden as a blameless guardian cherub. If you cross reference this passage to the passage that is clearly regarding Satan in Isaiah 14:12-15, you will see a parallel structure which really cannot be denied. There are a series of "I will's" in Isaiah answered by the corresponding actions of the Lord in return in Ezekiel. This being the case, Satan, or Lucifer as he was originally, could not have been in rebellion before Eden was formed and therefore there was no "Satan's Flood' which could have destroyed a world he had corrupted in some sort of gap between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.
4. In the Fourth Commandment, Exodus 20:11, it is clearly stated that the heavens, the earth, the seas, and all that is in them were created in six days.
So the gap theory does not hold where the rest of the Bible is concerned even enemies of the true church like Finis Dake and Jack Howell, along with false prophets like Armstrong, Ken Copeland and Benny Hinn invent wild claims to the contrary. MY Bible goes from Genesis 1:1 to 1:2 without mentioning their invented Lucifer’s Flood. Geologically and archaeologically this would not be valid, either, for the world destroyed in the "Satan's Flood" would NOT be the fossilized world the gap theorists often postulate. The fossil strata we know would have been utterly destroyed by NOAH's flood had they been from an earlier time. Their reasoning is as vacuous as LDS claiming that Jesus and Satan were “brothers”!
Armstrong, Hinn, Dake, and Howell were never a "minister of the gospel" and the old WCG was never a Christian church, Hinn is an unaccountable corrupt heretic, Dake had “petting parties” with children, Jack Howell never HAD a church yet parades around the web using affectatious titles, demanding respect as a minister/reverend/bishop. All of these wicked men promote, or did promote the aberrant un-Biblical lies of a seducing spirit and will be held accountable before the assemblies for every person they deceived in the “Name of Christ!”!
For More Information See:
“The Gap Theory Is Full Of Holes by the respected Henry M. Morris, PhD”
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/1195.asp
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why I see pentecostalism as a great fraud and cult -- ekklesia, 00:33:17 01/02/03 Thu
Perhaps the “classic” email of all times and by far my favorite is the one I titled “I am smarter than you!” It always begins with something like “Blessed areth thou that I have lower myself to correct your . . . censored ............censored.”
They are always entitled something like “a consecrated extortion from the desk of the most wholly anointed and inspired DOCTOR Schmuck-a-dilly.” This is to inform you just how stupid, brainless and misguided you are, because I said so. I have a vast, limitless and unmeasurable knowledge of the Bible and a direct unabridged line to the Wholly Ghost!
So tell me DOC, you don’t mind me calling you DOC do you DOC? Any simpleton can understand how a peabrained, pinheaded, ignoramus like myself can fall hook, line and sinker for a sob story, but how did someone with your colossal wisdom fall for the oldest con - act in town?
I love it when folks tell me “I have to believe them because they said so!!” Please put your great and depth less knowledge to work. Please provide book, chapter and verse to support your theorem If it is in the Bible, I will agree fully with you. If not, I will continue to agree fully with God as I always have. I am not ashamed of the Holy Inspired Inerrant Word of God for the Ages, are you?
I also want to point out another major problem with pentecostalism. People who proclaim themselves to be pentecostalism’s finest keep telling me they are “anointed” and “Inspired by the Holy Ghost.” I remember giving $5.00 for my leather bounded copy of Dake’s Annotated Bible. A Christian book store was trying to get rid of dusty merchandise at the local flea market.
In a note written by Finis Jennings Dake, he proclaimed all his notes to be “inspired.” He made two statements I found quiet telling. First he said he went to school for one year, then figured out he knew more than his teachers and quit going.
His first note displays his “inspired” writings. In Genesis chapter 1 verse 1 note, he explains that there are millions perhaps billions of years between Genesis chapter 1 verse 1 and Genesis chapter 1 and verse 2. That theorem is known as the “gap” theory.
The “gap” theory was introduced to align the Biblical age of the earth with the geological age. Unfortunately, the geologists that the theory was advanced to appease, immediately found too many major faults with the theory. There is not one shred of geological evidence to support Mr. Dake’s “inspired” note.
Not to mention the many Biblical problems with the theory. Mr. Dake has God standing on millions perhaps billions of years of death and destruction and declaring it is good (Genesis 1:4 KJV). The Bible tells us death entered the world with Adam (Romans 5:12 KJV), not some pre-Adamic race.
Dr. Frederic K.C. Price spend three years teaching us about racism in pentecostal denominations. One of his loudest denouncements was the racial slurs in Dake’s Bible. Dr. Price, quiet correctly I might add, demanded a recall of all Dake’s Annotated Bibles. However, the Dake family could not find any fault with Mr. Dake’s wording. They did agree to allow Dr. Leon Bible to rewrite the “inspired” notes of Mr. Dake’s to remove any possible confusion.
The great Benny Hinn preached a sermon one morning on the nine part trinity. Off the subject? , No just hang on. When Mr. Hinn was asked to explain his nine part trinity(trinity means three), he said it was a joke he was telling his church. His congregation was swooning at his feet, slain in the spirit? To a joke? And people wonder why I see pentecostalism as a great fraud.
The connection? Mr. Hinn when pressed admitted the nine part trinity was from Dake’s Annotated Bible. So how do I know when someone is “inspired” or “anointed?” I read the word of God.
I have presented many Holy Ghost inspired teaching and preaching. The difference? The message is inspired, not the messenger. An example, I was walking across a cemetery one morning when I noticed a granite Bible on the top of a rather tall tombstone. As I touched that stone Bible with my fingers, God placed the beautiful hymn “How firm a foundation, ye saints of the Lord’s, is laid for your faith in His excellent word!” (1 Peter 1:23 KJV) on my lips.
My friend, God’s Holy Inspired Inerrant Word for the Ages is just as solid as that granite stone Bible, and just as unchanging. When someone claims to be “inspired” and/or “anointed” compare carefully what they say to scripture. Someone once quipped “that if a thing is old, . . . the quality is good” Don’t fall for modern scholarship.
I received an email from a wonderfully deceived person one time, suggesting that I not "throw the baby out with the bath water." Being the consummate man of God that I am, I carried the possibility to God. God answered in a direct quote from the great theologian, R. A. Torrey. "(pentecostalism was) founded by a homosexual, and is emphatically not of God."
Now the real question has to be "do you believe the Bible and God or do you beleive your denominational psuedology?" As for me and my household, God is the only rationale answer to that question and has been my exclusive answer for over forty years. I refuse to accept any denominational teaching. I beleive the Bible to be God's Holy, Inspired, Inerrant, Word for the Ages, and yes my good friend, God's Word is also never vacillating.
The second opinion expressed in email has been "I know baptist / methodist / roman preachers who........" My mother taught me "two wrongs a right do not make." Bill Clinton and his folks wanted us to beleive he had done nothing any worst than everyone else does. God said "be ye holy as I am Holy!" (Leviticus 20:7 : 1 Peter 1:15,16 KJV)
Instead of making excuses for your sooth sayers, try their spirit to see from whence it comes and whence it goest (1 John 4:1 KJV). The Bible, God's Word is quiet unerring on the subject, "Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit." (Matthew 7:17 KJV) and again "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit." (Matthew 7:18 KJV)
Finis Jennings Dake comes to mind first. Not only for his moral damnations (taking an underage girl across state lines for immortal purposes, to quote him "for petting parties.") but more importantly his spiritual damnations (the gap theory, nine part trinity, physical healing as part of salvation). This ministry will remain dedicated to exposing the heresies of pentecostalism from scripture and with scripture.
I personally and from the Bible can tell you there is no conceivable manner by which one could potentially "throw out the baby with the bath water" in reference to anything, or anyone caught up in the cult of pentecostalism.
Most important of all is not what I say, but what God has said. God has unambiguously stated that a good tree or true vine cannot bare evil fruit. Your mortal life is a faithful reflection of your inward life. Again God said " Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.(Matthew 15:11 KJV).
While these opinions appear ominous, the most recurrent theme has been "praise God, I have come out from among them!" Praise God for every single one who sees the light provided by God above. What a great God, we do serve.
When God turns the light on, you can not possibly stand still. God is truly the only one who can turn that light on, not your denominational preacher or his/their doctrinal stance. Jesus told Peter, "Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 16:17 KJV) God will and does continuiously reveal himself to us.
I must take a moment and point out the old heresy of "praying through" is dead false. God has answered our prayers before the foundation of the earth. It is not a question of getting God's attention to hear our partition but rather our listening to hear God's answer and not demanding our answer.
Hundreds have expressed their thanks and praise to God for leading them out of the cult of pentecostalism, and I am positive many hundreds more will if Jesus tarries but a little while longer.
No my good friend, this ministry does not claim to have shown or in any way been instrumental in revealing God's true nature to any man. God alone is responsible for leading hundreds from the cult of pentecostalism. "So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase." (1 Corinthians 3:7 KJV)
Those who have come out of the cult of pentecostalism can stand as Moses and the children of Isreal stood on the shore of the Red Sea and declare "Who is like unto thee, O LORD, among the gods? who is like thee, glorious in holiness, fearful in praises, doing wonders?" (Exodus 15:11 KJV)
What great wonders God has truly worked in the life of those He has revealed Himself to. He has given them the power to become sons of God(John 1:12 KJV). Them he has justified(Romans 3:24 KJV) and sanctified(1 Corinthians 6:11 KJV) and sealed with the Holy Ghost(Ephesians 1:13 KJV).
Yes the God I serve is truly awesome and wonderful beyond words.
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The World According To GARP (Theorists) -- Sola Scriptura, 22:46:15 01/01/03 Wed
A brief note on some of what I will call the protestant principles for identifying heresy - protestant principles verses various dishonest, and non-applicable “tags” the Vain Jangler incorrectly tosses about others such as “Baptist” which are without any particular universal definition in the modern age and do not apply to those he desperately attempts to pigeonhole with arbitrary labels he pulls out of a hat when he addresses them. It is sort of analogous to someone arbitrarily deciding to call “Robert” by the name Jennifer. Jack can call Robert the name Jennifer every time he addresses Robert, but that does not make Robert into “Jennifer.” His calling me a “Baptist” or an “Independent Baptist” does not make it so. It is a trait of cults such as the JW’s and LDS to redefine commonly used terms and assign the words where they do not belong.
To demonstrate this; Obviously those on this board and Jack Howell are chasms apart doctrinally, yet Rev. Howell insists we all have, or did have common “Baptist” or “Independent Baptist” roots at one time. I speak to the fact that Rev. Howell has spoken of some connection he has, or did have at one juncture to both Baptists and Independent Baptists according to his recorded posts since August this year. Yet it is quite clear that while I do not define myself as being a member of either of these groups, and my doctrine is night and day from Jack Howell’s, he has willfully and intractably insisted I am associated with these groups.
Some protestant principles for identifying heresy -
the Bible alone is the written Word of God, and as such is the infallible, definitive standard in matters of controversy in the church.
This principle follows from the teaching of Jesus Christ Himself, who taught that while human tradition and religious leaders are fallible, Scripture is the Word of God and never errs (Matt. 5:17-20 ; 15:3-9 ; 22:29 ; John 10:35 ). Since to be a Christian means, minimally, to be a follower of Jesus Christ, no person or group can claim to be truly Christian that does not at least acknowledge this special authority of the Bible.
So what does Jack Howell cite as the authority for believing his “Gap Theory”?
I Quote him: Above I mentioned that the Scofield Reference Bible taught the "Gap Theory." I dug out my 1917 edition of the Scofield Reference Bible and here is what it says regarding Genesis 1:1 and 1:2:
2 But three creative acts of God are recorded in this chapter; (1) the heavens and the earth, v. 1; (2) animal life, v. 21; and (3) human life, v. 26, 27. The first creative act refers to the dateless past, and gives scope for all the geologic ages.
3. Jer. 4:23-26, Isa. 24:1, and 45:18, clearly indicate that the earth had undergone a cataclysmic change as the result of a divine judgment. The face of the earth bears everywhere the marks of such a catastrophe. There are not wanting intimations which connect it with a previous testing and fall of angels. See Ezk. 28:12-15 and Isa. 14:9-14, which go beyond the kings of Tyre and Babylon.
Now, everyone knows that the Scofield Reference Bible has long been the study Bible of choice among Baptists, including Independent ones, so it strikes us as odd that "Sola," "Tamarisk," "ACNR," and the one who posted as "Someone From A Lateral Solar System Called Texas" are unaware that C. I. Scofield was a proponent of the Gap Theory and taught it in his study Bible. It strikes us as odd that they condemn and ridicule Rev. Finis Jennings Dake for teaching the Gap Theory, but remain silent regarding Scofield teaching it.
The original challenge presented to Jack Howell which he has willfully muddied in an attempt to cause confusion. was for him to defend Finis Dake’s position regarding his heretical teaching of “Lucifer’s Flood.”
Jack States: ” It strikes us as odd that they condemn and ridicule Rev. Finis Jennings Dake for teaching the Gap Theory, but remain silent regarding Scofield teaching it.” (“us” – he have a bupkes in his pocket?)
“Odd”? - - - “Odd that we remain silent about Scofield”???? Why? No one here advocates Scofield’s teachings. They never have. Nor have we promoted the teachings of any tradition of man. Jesus is the ONLY authority on this board, as was revealed in His Holy Word. No one here has “moderated” or publicizes themselves as a “Scofield Board Moderator” We do not sell or promote Scofield Bibles. We do not have links from our boards to “Scofield discussion groups.” We are not advocates, or promoters of Scofield. We do not routinely cut and paste his quotes, nor act as a promoter of Scofield. No one here has repeatedly quoted Scofield. Infact, I do not recall us ever quoting him or referencing his notes – certainly not more than the times you could count on one hand.
Contrast our position and relationship to Scofield Bible and with these many quotes about Finis Dake made be Jack: ” POSTED BY: revjackhowell
Mar 20 2002
SUBJECT: Dake's Annotated Reference Bible
"In my opinion, the Dake Annotated Reference Bible is the world's finest! To order this outstanding study Bible at reduced rates, click on the link below:"
This is what PFAI recommends on it’s site: ” The Dake Annotated Reference Bible from Dake Publishing, is like no other study Bible on the market.,,,,then two paragraphs are dedicated to advertising Dake’s works.”
Jack’s Own Site claims: ” DAKE Publishing - The fine people who publish the Dake's Annotated Reference Bible and other biblical and theological works by Finis Jennings Dake. While you're there, click on the "Chat Room" button and check out the message board! There are a lot of good Christian brothers and sisters to chat with!”
So again let’s look at Jack’s dishonest and flawed example:: ” It strikes us as odd that they condemn and ridicule Rev. Finis Jennings Dake for teaching the Gap Theory, but remain silent regarding Scofield teaching it.”
ODD? The only thing that is odd, is Jack’s complete vacancy and intellectual dishonesty!
But then, Liberalism presumes to judge the teachings of the Bible according to the canon of human reason such as Dake and Scofield. Accordingly, it should be rejected as apostate by true believers of all major Christian traditions.
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Hey Jackals! Is It "ODD" We Are Silent on Darshanas Manuals of Philosophy? -- SOLA SCRIPTURA!, 23:49:56 01/01/03 Wed
Has it eclipsed Jack's vigilant notice and keen acumen that:
We have been "silent" on the Darshanas Manuals of Philosophy, too! - Do you find that “odd”, Jack?
We are "silent" on the Bhagavad Gita- fourth discourse, too! – Does THAT seem “odd” to Jack’s reasoning?
We have keep a "silence" about the Svetasvatara Upanishad.....at least since last Tuesday at 7:45 P.M., or was it 1975? - Do you find that “odd”?
Jangler’s Thesis: "Now, everyone knows that the Scofield Reference Bible has long been the study Bible of choice among Baptists,..."
SO WHAT?
It is NOT MY Bible of Choice.
It is NOT anyone on this board's "study Bible of Choice" whether "EVERYBODY KNOWS IT" or NOT!
I have no particular affinity for it, nor has anyone here ever alluded to such. I have already addressed the "Baptist" issue previously for the umpteenth time. Nice dialectical try, Jack. Thesis, Antithesis, Synthesis
"It strikes us as odd that they condemn and ridicule Rev. Finis Jennings Dake for teaching the Gap Theory, but remain silent regarding Scofield teaching it."
Relativism at it's finest! We condemn Dake as a Heretic independent of any other issue! We critique Finis Dake on what he has publicly espoused and the example he set, and the live he lived without using the humanistic standard of comparing him to other men. We assail Dake's HERESY because it IS HERESY!! Dake has nothing to do with anyone getting their great toe caught in the bath tub drain. He has nothing to do with Scofield.
You can list a thousand men to agree with your GAP. They can make presentations with colored pictures and a slide show and surround sound. –
And I will tell you that there are a BILLION people who believe those writings I cited at the top of this post to be THEIR "holy" sacred writings – But MY Authority, The Inerrant Holy Bible, says that every one of those Billion persons will rot in Hades for their traditions of Men that reject Jesus.
Bottom Line Jangler: No matter how many vacuous Hegelian, Marxian arguments you try to confuse others with and no matter how many you scrounge up to agree with you; Heresy in Masse is STILL HERESY. Ask a Buddhist or Muslim.
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SOLA'S Thesis on the GAP THEORY -- Sola Scriptura, 16:21:06 12/31/02 Tue
Regarding Rev Jackal Howellings’ “Gap Theory”
His Perpetual Loveliness inquires: ”If the "Gap Theory" is Not True --- When did the fall of Lucifer take place? Care to tackle that question, Sola?’
MY QUESTION TO THE RT REV. OIL MOUTH:
If YOU didn’t have internet access to cut and paste your way through any and all situations in your miserable life - - Would you STILL have that GAP in between your right ear and your left ear?
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Dolly -- tamarisk, 15:52:33 12/31/02 Tue
I be off'in dis forum for a day or two. I will come back to give a message on the folly of January 1 being the first day of the new year.
It amuzes me how the Jews believe they can have the new year in the seventh month on the Hebrew calendar. That day is actually the Feast of Trumpets, the day many in the church believing to be the Rapture.
I believe I'll stick with the first new moon of spring as the "head of the year."
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Sola -- tamarisk, 13:59:33 12/30/02 Mon
Just breezed on through the Fowler's attempt to 'splain the "gap theory." I suspect, if you take a way his Dake, the Fake, study bible, he would be incapable of cogent thought.
I've been in a number of Baptist churches these past few years. Most are Dispensational churches. NONE teach a 14 tier dispensation system. ALL teach 7 dispensational periods.
The Rt Rev Fowler must have been learned in the "public fool" system in his trying to splain the "gap theory." It is easy for me to believe Fowler believes evolution is "fact," too! I imagine too, the Rt Rev teaches the age of the earth is billions of years. A strange thang. Those real New Testament Baptist Churches I have been in teach G_d created the earth WITH TIME and WITH AGE. It shouldn't be too hard a thing to believe G_d is capable of this.
The Pentecostal way of looking at the Bible is, it is NOT finished until they can make the Bible fit their failed doctrines from man and Hell.
To Rt Rev Fowler and his minions--G_d certainly is longsuffering but He is NOT SLACK concerning His judgment. And judgment IS headed toward AmeriKa and the institution called the church.
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Tamarisk Did You Ever Get THAT Correctly! -- Sola Scriptura, 02:20:26 12/31/02 Tue
Just breezed on through the Fowler's attempt to
'splain the "gap theory." I suspect, if you take a way
his Dake, the Fake, study bible, he would be incapable
of cogent thought. BINGO!!! For every single word of original commentary the bedroom jangler offers up of his own, he embezzles a thousand words from others and brazenly claims credit for them. And the contrast between the two styles he posts is more vulgar than the difference between the "Deuterocanonical" Apocrypha, "Judith" and the Book of John!
Is that mad-man a hoot, or what? He actually thinks we will read his pilfered cut and pasted excrement. No way, Jose. I would no more read his excrement than I would read Anton LeVey's writings! They come from the same spirit. The difference is that one knows who his god is, and the other who claims to be a set apart special "anointed" is actually a dangerous wolf in sheepskin. In Dake's Annotated Bible, of which Jack clams to like his in leather - - LOL&L&L - - Dake has a 14 dispensation scheme with lengthy descriptions of a pre-Adamite world ruled by Lucifer. STOP. ALLOW THAT TO SINK IN, FOLKS! Dake has a 14 dispensation scheme with lengthy descriptions of a pre-Adamite world ruled by Lucifer. H-E-L-L-O-O-O-O!
Creation to Dake and his cult followers like the pfake bedroom bishop, Jack Howell, and Ken Copeland, Benny Hinn, et al is known as "re-creation" and is explained by a rather lengthy gap theory (see notes on Genesis chapter 1, and the chart at the rear of the Dake), including "Lucifer's flood."
While this study Bible is Arminian to the extreme, and is constantly harping on believers losing their salvation, which is perhaps why Jack thinks he must work so hard at retaining his salvation, probably the most extreme heresy concerns the nature and person of God Himself. Jack likes to deny the truth, but the fact is; On page 280 of the New Testament, Dake has a lengthy discussion of the Trinity. In this discussion, Dake teaches that there are three distinct persons with bodies in the Trinity, and that each one of these also has His own soul and spirit. I have a copy of Jack Howell quoting some of this heresy and acting like it was from his own words. Now he is doing the back stroke and mis-representing both Dake and Jack's own past representations of same. What a gutter viper! There are many other heresies and ridiculous positions held by Dake, and the more ridiculous the position, the more stringently he attempts to "prove" it.
The more insane the position the MORE Jack Howell, like his paedophilic leader, scurries like a poop deck rat to crank out reams of meaningless Scriptural gymnastics taken completely out of their original context in an attempt to support their despicable false doctrines and cultic claims. jingle, jingle, jingle goes the vain jangler jack.
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Dolly -- tamarisk, 09:53:05 12/31/02 Tue
Now I'm confused! ;) Does the Rt Rev like is leather in black or burgandy? My guess is, since he's one of those prissy preachers, he has a frilly fringed fabric cover on his Dake.
Youse mentioned the Arminian slant to the message. I've often thought the Rt Rev was trying to play the Calvinist role, at times. Of course, both these great preachers and teachers of the Bible had their good and bad points. They were both great men with some real screwballs as followers. I was always taught to be right in the middle of these "5" point systems. To take the best of both and reject the rest. If you limit the truth in the Word with a 5 point system, you may be missing the real point and objective of the message.
People like Spurgeon, Matthew Henry, etc., were great teachers and commentators. In present time, I really enjoy J. Vernon McGhee and the Thru The Bible series. McGhee was a REAL Presbyterian preacher. I remember a program he did, they don't play much anymore. He preached on the 501 c 3 registered church. Have only heard that message once on air. My guess is, it offended the corporate, 501 c 3 church of today and they threatened to not send offerings to support the program.
Thou Shalt NOT offend the Corporate Church in AmeriKa today.
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Dolly -- tamarisk, 07:23:54 12/30/02 Mon
I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU MADE IT!
If You Lived as a Child in
the 40's, 50's, or 60's, or 70's
Looking back, it's hard to believe that we've lived as long as we have...
As children, we'd ride in cars with no seat belts or air bags. Riding in the back of a pickup truck on a warm day was always a special treat.
Our baby cribs were covered with bright colored lead-based paint. We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors, or cabinets, and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets. (Not to mention hitchhiking to town as a young kid!)
We drank water from the garden hose and not from a bottle. Horrors.
We'd spend hours building our go-cart out of scraps and then rode down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After running into the bushes a few times we learned to solve the problem.
We'd leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on. No one was able to reach us all day.
No cell phones. Unthinkable. We played dodgeball and sometimes the ball would really hurt. We got cut and broke bones and broke teeth, and there were no lawsuits from these accidents. They were accidents. No one was to blame, but us. Remember accidents?
We had fights and punched each other and got black and blue and learned to get over it.
We ate cupcakes, bread and butter, and drank sugar soda but we were never overweight ... we were always outside playing. We shared one grape soda with four friends, from one bottle and no one died from this.
We didn't have Playstations, Nintendo 64, X-Boxes, video games at all, 99 channels on cable, video tape movies, surround sound, personal cell phones, Personal Computers, Internet chat rooms ... we had friends. We went outside and found them. We rode bikes or walked to a friend's home and knocked on the door, or rang the bell or just walked in and talked to
them. Imagine such a thing. Without asking a parent! By ourselves! Out there in the cold cruel world! Without a guardian. How did we do it?
We made up games with sticks and tennis balls and ate worms and although we were told it'd happen, we didn't put out very many eyes, nor
did the worms live inside us forever.
Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't, had to learn to deal with disappointment...
Some students weren't as smart as others so they failed a grade and were held back to repeat the same grade...
Horrors. Tests weren't adjusted for any reason.
Our actions were our own. Consequences were expected. No one to hide behind. The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke a law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law, imagine that!
This generation has produced some of the best risk-takers and problem solvers and inventors, ever. The past 50 years has been an explosion of
innovation and new ideas. We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned how to deal with it all.
And you're one of them. Congratulations!
Please pass this on to others who have had the luck to grow up as kids, before lawyers and government regulated our lives, for our own good.
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Tamarisk -- Dolly, 02:31:56 12/31/02 Tue
....your mention of "sharing the grape soda" made me recall; in the seventh grade several of us would purchase a great big Kosher pickle from the barrel container of the local deli and bring it to school when ever we had a scheduled auditorium event. The girls would take these whompus sized mouth pucker-ers wrapped in deli waxed paper, take a big chomp and pass it on to the girlfriend seated next in the theatre seats. Today kids pass a bong or crack pipe!
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For Dependent Minds: PFAI is Abbreviated to Give Members a Chance at Spelling It -- Texas Rose (git et Jethro? winkie, winkers), 18:09:03 12/29/02 Sun
First of all, the simple post Jackals, Inc. sullied was very provocative and thought provoking independent of whether HE happened to capture it's import, or not. Unfortunately Rev. Jack is too small minded and wrapped up in himself to have ever considered it’s depth and meaning.
It was this: QUESTION: Does "Eve" (Rosemary's Baby so to speak,) have a soul? Biblical references.
Simple and to the point. ~ I realize that added bit of humor regarding Rosemary’s Baby prolly threw him in a tail-spin and was a bit too edgy for dullards like Jangler. But remember, folks, this is the same slow mind who thought he was on to a big discovery when one of the posters here PURPOSEFULLY referenced Texas in their tongue in cheek parody handle and Jack had an euphoric experience over it believing that he tripped the poster up in some sort of conspiracy to lie. What a dolt! Yeah, the same mind that thinks “prolly” is a spelling error and takes delight in announcing it to anyone who will listen. Giddy-Up, Jethro!
Someone needs to convict Jangler’s conscience that all images and articles on the Internet belong to someone. Tamarisk says he doesn’t read Rev. Fowler’s articles. But consider this - In the true sense, no one actually ever reads any of the Jangler’s comments. The reason is because the Jangler has no original thoughts. He is a regurgitate-ter of other’s work product and effort. A Parrot. An actor who is there reading someone else’s script and pretending he wrote it. A counterfeiter. He is the illegal agent that steals and transports someone else’s work illegally across the border, in this case cyberspace, and vomits it onto his “bandwidth” fully expecting that his challengers are obligated to read it. All he is capable of doing in churning out compilations of other’s work product in the form of an illegal cut and paste stew.
Unfortunately, he has no right to just take an article and use it for his own “got-cha” purposes or to copy an article and reproduce this himself particularly without credit to its rightful owner. Even his Raelian post was a cut and paste straight off the wires that Serpent Egg tried to make others believe he wrote it.
Every creator of every original document/article or image owns that document or image and permission has to be asked of the creator to reproduce or use the original document/image.
You can not gain credit from something that you have not created yourself as hard as Jackals tries to fool us. Jack Howell is on file as having stolen the work of others more than 400 times. Often on The Lord’s Day! He likes to THINK he appears “scholarly” to others just like he likes to THINK he is a respected “bishop.” So he is smug and superior which only adds to the irony. It must be a real “high” for a middle aged man, still living with his parents, who has no major accomplishments in his otherwise execrable existence to think he can get away with pirating other’s articles and fobbing them off on others as his original thoughts. He actually has the nerve to badger people for ignoring his theft. When challenged doctrinally, he is fond of cranking out reams of others’ work product and dumping their cut and pasted articles at the feet of those who challenge him or his sources. When someone refuses to play along with Jack and dignify his theft by reading his stolen goods, Jackals puffs himself up even larger in his delusional world into believing he is “too scholarly” to be approached by those who pan him. When in fact, he is actually parading in the streets with no clothes on and his nakedness is revolting to all who refuse to either look at his nakedness, or to dignify his graft by reading these tomes which originated from un-disclosed foreign sources. If we wanted to know what his aberrant sources claim, we would read their writings in their original form and not accept it from mutilated, redacted, edited, second and third hand presentations from the important bedroom bishop.
So please remember Jackie, everything belongs to someone. Cite your sources, give THEM credit and ASK before you use someone else's property. Disclose who you expect us to refute.
http://www.copyrightinfringementgroup.com/permission.htm
Copyright © 2001 Copyright Infringement Group All Rights Reserved
If you want to ask Bishop Serpent Egg why he feels the need to steal other’s work product and act like he is the originator, or why he always misrepresents the record and lies about it to others in public, you may contact him here. He has an address for nearly every one of his demons.:
• revjack@revealedtruthmin.org
• revjackhowell@cox.net
• revjackhowell@operamail.com
• revjack_1@lycos.com
• revjackhowell@aol.com
• revjackhowell@netscape.net
revjackhowell@pentecostalfaithassemblies.org
Here is an example of one of Vain Jangler’s recommended sources and a reason why I will not read his CUT & PASTES!
Kenneth Hagin - Serpent Power at The Interactive Bible, 1998
For an clear picture of one of the main influences of the Third Wave and aberrant teachers like Rt. Rev. Fowler, Inc., take a real video and audio visit to RHEMA where Kenneth Hagin and Kenneth Copeland blaspheme God, laugh demonically, roll around on the floor, hiss like snakes, make animal noises, and tell people that the disciples were drunk at Pentecost. This sickening display is also available on video from Paw Creek Ministries. at:
http://www.pawcreek.org/catalog.htm
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Dolly -- tamarisk, 07:12:40 12/30/02 Mon
Moniter would be a better word. I know what to expect from CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, and MSNBC(what I refer to as the RIM--Reality Impaired Media). I "moniter" Fox News because they have the greater potential to deceive people because of their "balanced and fair" approach to the news.
Real Conservatives only "monitor" people like Rush Limbaugh. I already know he has many fag supporters pumping in lotza money to his show. Just another "spoke" on the RIM.
About the only place you will get the truth is programs via shortwave. Many are available over the net, too!
BINOS like the Rt Rev Fowler and Kear are dangerous to true Christian Patriots in AmeriKa because of their perversion of scriptures such as Romans 13. According to THEIR failed doctrines, Slick Willie and OwlGore were good people because they were elected by the people. I've seen this failed logic mostly in Black Pentecostal churches I've personally attended. Since Slick and Hill the Thrill had photo ops with them carrying a black book into their fag loving, liberal church on Sunday, they must be ordained by G_d and called to leadership.
It's amazing because I've personally witnessed the delusion of people in ministry and churches by goobermint monies pumped into the inner city by the fed, through Head Start and other programs.. The sole purpose is to buy churches through incorporation and 501 c 3, tax exempt status.
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Greetings Saints! Tamarisk, ACNR, Preludium, Bethany, St. Iguanas et al -- Sola Scriptura, 15:49:59 12/27/02 Fri
The Associated Press Friday, December 27, 2002
"Clonaid says it will rely on outside forensic experts to do the DNA tests necessary to prove they have produced a clone."
QUESTION: Does "Eve" (Rosemary's Baby so to speak,) have a soul? Biblical references.
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Exposing Men With Apostate Problems -- Dr. Dolly, 00:25:00 12/29/02 Sun
Do you ever feel like you are back in school being followed by some tag-along shadowing you all day that wouldn't let you alone no matter how pointedly you asked them to please leave you alone? I post Cloneaid, Jack posts Cloneaid the next day....sheesh! Keep reading here Jack. Wasn't just this month that you said you were going to ignore us? Your actions never match your words, do they?
"Cloneaid - cut and paste compliments of Rev. Jack Howell on Dec 28, 2002, 4:39 PM
"Recently, a little-known organization known as Cloneaid has announced that it has succesfully cloned a human being, although reputable scientists have expressed serious doubts about the claim. I have found information that shows that this organization is actually a New Age UFO cult that teaches that human beings were actually cloned from alien beings eons ago. You can see for yourself by clicking on the following link:
www.cloneaid.com
CLONAID™ was founded in February 1997 by Raël who is the leader of the Raelian Movement, an international religious organization which claims that life on Earth was created scientifically through DNA and genetic engineering by a human extraterrestrial race whose name, Elohim, is found in the Hebrew Bible and was mistranslated by the word "God". The Raelian Movement also claims that Jesus was resurrected through an advanced cloning technique performed by the Elohim."
If Jack Howell thinks THAT is bazaar, there is this heretic named Finis Dake that fondles little girls and his heirs sell his study Bibles that are sucked up by the undiscerning. In these Bibles he states things like On page 280 of the New Testament, he has a lengthy discussion of the Trinity. In this discussion, Dake teaches that there are three distinct persons with bodies in the Trinity, and that each one of these also has His own soul and spirit. There are many other heresies and ridiculous positions held by Dake, and the more ridiculous the position, the more stringently he attempts to "prove" it. Finally, Dake is a racist, as he lists on page 159 of the New Testament "30 reasons for the separation of the races."
The Rev. Jack Howell is part of the ever growing apostate church of pentecostals who have been deceived by Finis J. Dake(Dake's Connotative Bible) and the Word of Faith cult.
Jack Howell can also be found at another site on voy.com, acting in his position as a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Unfortunately there are many there who think Jack Howell is a genuine Christian teaching uprightly.
The sort of doctrines of demons perpetrated by heretics such as Jack Howell must be opposed.
Beware though, any who speak strongly for God's Truth will be branded as hateful, egotistical, of Satan, slandered in all sorts of ways, and then banned.
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Tamarisk, ACNR, Bethany, Preludium, St. Iguanas, 95, & The Saints -- Dolly Llama, 22:21:07 12/28/02 Sat
The Raelian woman, Brigitte Boisselier claims to be a "Bishop" of her organization.
Why does that not surprise me?
The Raelians, led by Brigitte's svengali Claude Vorhilon, believe alien experimenters created the human race 25,000 years ago using DNA technology. "Bishop" Jack Howell believes the teachings of a rank heretic and paedophile that had "petting parties" with little girls. In fact Jack promotes these teachings that are absolutely contrary to Scripture and puts Dake, at least in Dake's mind, on the same level as the Lord Jesus Christ. (according to Dake quotes.)
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Speaking of Rod Serling, Raelians, Harry-ticks & Bedroom Bishops -- Someone From A Lateral Solar System Called Texas, 23:17:12 12/28/02 Sat
Just realised the Raelian movement, in which Brigitte is a ‘bishop' is a sex cult. So I guess that makes Brigitte a whole new kind of bedroom bishop who doesn't have a congregation. Hummm. Here is moore cultic nonsense from Moore.......
"RevJack Moderator
Posts: 545 (10/8/02 3:59:07 am)
Reply Re: re Von Daniken
"Let's not forget the ancient batteries that have also been discovered, as well as that one anomoly that looks just like a model of a modern day delta-winged aircraft. I have no doubt that the pre-Adamite world was just as advanced if not more so than our race before it faced destruction."
I too, read Von Aniken and even went to the theater to see "Chariots of the Gods" when I was a kid, and although I thought his "findings" and views were intriguing, I felt that he had not sufficiently proven his case and viewed him with skepticism. As I recall, his primary purpose was to debunk the Bible as the inspired, writtten Word of God, and relegate God to nothing more than a space alien who visited planet earth. Rev. Jack Howell Dake Board "
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Speaking of alien cults and twilight zoners; The notes in Jack’s Bible are full of heresy, illogic and, at worse, bigotry and racism. To being with, Dake has a 14 dispensation scheme with lengthy descriptions of a pre-Adamite world ruled by Lucifer. Creation is known as "re-creation" and is explained by a rather lengthy gap theory (see notes on Genesis chapter 1, and the chart at the rear of the Dake), including "Lucifer's flood." While this study Bible is Arminian to the extreme, and is constantly harping on believers losing their salvation, probably the most extreme heresy concerns the nature and person of God Himself. On page 280 of the New Testament, he has a lengthy discussion of the Trinity. In this discussion, Dake teaches that there are three distinct persons with bodies in the Trinity, and that each one of these also has His own soul and spirit. There are many other heresies and ridiculous positions held by Dake, and the more ridiculous the position, the more stringently he attempts to "prove" it. Finally, Dake is a racist, as he lists on page 159 of the New Testament "30 reasons for the separation of the races." This is a grave error, as he misuses the Holy Scripture in a way I don't believe I have ever seen before. We learn that "God wills the races to be as He made them," and "God made everything to reproduce 'after his own kind,'" applying this to different races. What the Bible actually teaches is that the "one blood" of Acts 17:26 proves that there is only one race, the human race, and skin color is only ethnicity. I won't comment any further on this, but urge anyone who likes this study Bible to look at these notes on page 159 and then defend this work.
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HUR-RY! HUR-RY!! HUR-RY!!! SPECIAL OFFER ENDS AFTER DEC. 2ND -- Sola Scriptura, 19:16:36 12/28/02 Sat
* * * Special Note * * * to those needing to hire the one and only "specially anointed" Mike for their church's upcoming show and tell extravaganzas, better act fast because once he’s switched into a “Baptist,” from a “Word of Faith Revivalist" he’s adios.
THIS FROM PFA, INCORPORATED (HEAR-YE! HEAR YE!):
”Anointed Ministers
Available to Preach
at YOUR CHURCH"
........"Dr. Michael Kear, Word of Faith Revivalist"
"Dr. Michael Kear is the founding Bishop of Pentecostal Faith Assemblies, Inc."
"Brother Kear preaches the Word of Faith (Romans 10:8, 17).”
That offer was PFA, Incorporated's PRE Dec. 1st. Special. Sorry if you happened to miss it because they won’t be repeating the offer any time soon.
The Founder of PFA, Incorporated - Mike Kear has served notice that his affiliation with PFAKE, Inc. will no longer be in effect as of December 2nd. So any church needing an "anointed" minister and had their sites set on Bishop Kear, will have to cool their mustangs and settle for one of the second stringers mentioned on the list of anointeds at PFAKE, Inc. ”Here’s my card M’mam. I’m an anointed Bishop from PFAKE, Incorporated. Moore, not less, Oklahoma. Go Boomers and I don’t mean OU.”
BTW: ........"Dr. Michael Kear, Word of Faith Revivalist"??? The one of whom PFAKE, Inc says: ”"Brother Kear preaches the Word of Faith (Romans 10:8, 17).” (nice touch, a scriptural reference.) Well, evidently he’s out of that gig and doesn’t preach the word of faith any moore, or less.
That Word of Faith Revivalist-thing was then. This is APRES December 2st and there is a Baptist chill in the air: "Dr. Mike is no longer part of PFAI by his own choosing and resigned from our fellowship on December 2nd of this year in order to pursue ministry within the Baptist denomination.
Let’s see, just like magic; a “Word of Faith Revivalist" December 1st, then a Baptist minister December 2nd. Now THAT is sum fancy dancin’! Moore or less.
NOW I REMEMBER! Mike Kear! Oh yeah! He’s the one that said Ken Copeland had one of the finest web sites on the net one day and after we mentioned it here, he deleted all recommendations and links to Ken Copeland's heretic site from his web page within 24-hours after it was exposed here. He replaced it with Baptist sites. Now THERE is a man who’s feet are firmly planted on the rock, I mean rocks.
Say do you ‘spoose maybe Mike Kear finally saw the “Light” and it was not attached to a “lighthouse” this time? Naw.
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HUR-RY! HUR-RY!! HUR-RY!!! SPECIAL OFFER ENDS AFTER DEC. 2ND -- Sola Sctiptura, 19:29:16 12/28/02 Sat
* * * Special Note * * * to those needing to hire the one and only "specially anointed" Mike for their church's upcoming show and tell extravaganzas, better act fast because once he’s switched into a “Baptist,” from a “Word of Faith Revivalist" he’s adios.
THIS FROM PFA, INCORPORATED (HEAR-YE! HEAR YE!):
”Anointed Ministers
Available to Preach
at YOUR CHURCH"
........"Dr. Michael Kear, Word of Faith Revivalist"
"Dr. Michael Kear is the founding Bishop of Pentecostal Faith Assemblies, Inc."
"Brother Kear preaches the Word of Faith (Romans 10:8, 17).”
That offer was PFA, Incorporated's PRE Dec. 1st. Special. Sorry if you happened to miss it because they won’t be repeating the offer any time soon.
The Founder of PFA, Incorporated - Mike Kear has served notice that his affiliation with PFAKE, Inc. will no longer be in effect as of December 2nd. So any church needing an "anointed" minister and had their sites set on Bishop Kear, will have to cool their mustangs and settle for one of the second stringers mentioned on the list of anointeds at PFAKE, Inc. ”Here’s my card M’mam. I’m an anointed Bishop from PFAKE, Incorporated. Moore, not less, Oklahoma. Go Boomers and I don’t mean OU.”
BTW: ........"Dr. Michael Kear, Word of Faith Revivalist"??? The one of whom PFAKE, Inc says: ”"Brother Kear preaches the Word of Faith (Romans 10:8, 17).” (nice touch, a scriptural reference.) Well, evidently he’s out of that gig and doesn’t preach the word of faith any moore, or less.
That Word of Faith Revivalist-thing was then. This is APRES December 2st and there is a Baptist chill in the air: "Dr. Mike is no longer part of PFAI by his own choosing and resigned from our fellowship on December 2nd of this year in order to pursue ministry within the Baptist denomination.
Let’s see, just like magic; a “Word of Faith Revivalist" December 1st, then a Baptist minister December 2nd. Now THAT is sum fancy dancin’! Moore or less.
NOW I REMEMBER! Mike Kear! Oh yeah! He’s the fellow that said Ken Copeland had one of HIS FAVORITE web sites on the net one day, then after we mentioned it here, Mike mysteriously deleted all reference and recommendations pertaining to his ONCE "favorite" heretic Ken Copeland's site from his own web page within 24-hours after it was exposed here. He replaced it with Baptist sites. Now THERE is a man who’s feet are firmly planted on the rock, I mean rocks. Rather, looks like he needs rocks in his pockets when the next wind blows in moore, or less.
Say do you ‘spoose maybe Mike Kear finally saw the “Light” and it was not attached to a “lighthouse” this time? Naw. Fill those pockets with all the rocks they will hold, Mike. They are predicting some windy weather in Moore this week, and I don't mean climate-wise.
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Moore of Bishop Beezle Bubba’s Elusive Truth & Re-Writing of History -- Dolly Llama, 08:55:19 12/25/02 Wed
FROM HERETIC CENTRAL:
"OUr "friend" Sola, has decided to add a rant or two of her own and tries to exalt herself by claiming that she "exposed" myself, PFAI, and Dr. Mike Kear. What she has done, however, is expose the fact that she does not know what she is talking about. She has attempted to make a big deal about Dr. Mike including an ecumenical link on his web site and tries to make it appear that it contradicts my statement that PFAI is not ecumenical. However, what she is unaware of is that Dr. Mike is no longer part of PFAI by his own choosing and resigned from our fellowship on December 2nd of this year in order to pursue ministry within the Baptist denomination. This should have been apparent to her since all reference to PFAI had been removed from his web site, and all reference to him was removed by him from the PFAI web site.
Let me say that I certainly have no animosity toward Bro. Mike and support his decision to leave PFAI and fully agree that he must do and go as the Lord leads and in that he has my complete support. We remain very good friends and communicate often, and I will be visiting him when I go to Ponca City on January 5th to preside over the ordination of a new minister and affiliate of PFAI.
The above shows that "Sola" has once again put her foot in her mouth and just as her fellow cyber-cultists on the Gossip and Slander board, has no clue as to what she is talking about. She makes assumptions without any basis in actual fact and attempts to present her flawed assumptions as truth. This is unwise, unscholarly, and certainly unchristian.
She has also tried to ridicule the layout of this board, and she is certainly entitled to her opinions about it, but I will say that if she does not like the looks of this board, she does not have to lurk here. Nobody is forcing her to lurk here, and I could not care less what she thinks of the looks of this board. She is not paying for the board or its bandwidth; I am.
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Rev. Jack Howell
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"Dr. Mike including an ecumenical link on his web site " -
Question: who has their name at the top of Mike's page? Mike or one of Jack's many counterfeit affiliations?
"Dr. Mike is no longer part of PFAI by his own choosing and resigned from our fellowship on December 2nd of this year in order to pursue ministry within the Baptist denomination." -
Question: So what? How many times have we heard Jack claim to BE BAPTIST? What does Jack's home church claim to be? "Baptist." That reasoning is as fishy as Jack's job description at Wal-Mart as head keeper of odd fish.
Question: If he REALLY doesn't care what Sola thinks about his very broad "bandwidth", he would not have blocked her IP from viewing there, now, would he? Nor, would he have spent so much time here, and other places insisting how much he "doesn't care" now would he? But then, Jack's actions never co-inside with his words, do they. Satan likes it that way. nuff said.
“Oh, and by the way”, (as Jack says), just for the record; regarding Jack's page design? Sola"DOES know what she is talking about" when she says his page is like re-arranging the deck chairs of the Titanic, or that it looks like an over heated calliope. She has extensive art background. She owned art galleries in So. Calif. has had many one-woman shows, has her work collected in collections in 35-plus States, has her work hanging in churches, has done residential and restaurant murals, was a founding member of one of America's most prestigious professional portrait societies, is a European decorative painter experienced in over a hundred "finishes", is a color expert and consultant, has works published in National Review and various other public domaine, was asked to take over the commercial art position as art director San Diego’s division of the Los Angeles Times, and asked to become director of a National Magazine (when only in her mid-20’s!), today, she copies 18th and 19th Century paintings and distresses them for fun……etc. She knows that of which she speaks when she maintains that jack’s “bandwidth” is a tasteless, trite, immature, and basically; Bud Uglly excursion into garishness!!!!! And she notes that if THAT is costing him money, he needs to consider a refund before he is further financially damaged.
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Context Jackals - Nice Attempt To Define Misery Down To Your Level - No Cee-Gar! -- Sola Scriptura, 18:50:03 12/28/02 Sat
Jackals says the above is "an example of "Sola's" self-exaltation:" It Is? Context, Jangler!
Poor bedroom bishop's agenda has always had problems with the context of any given sentence/statement. His evil spirit has prompted his selective reasoning to kick into action and purposefully misrepresent the CONTEXT of WHY I listed some of my background in above post which goes directly to Jackals heart and motivation, NOT my lack of Glorifying God for the blessings I am bestowed. You see, Jackals forgot the point of the paragraph’s reason for listing those accomplishments so he could selectively edit them to purposefully change the structure of the intended point it addressed. He has interjected a false purpose to the comments and has attempted to make it into a testimony. When I offer a testimony he will know it.
What Jackals the Jangler omitted from the paragraph when he represented it elsewhere were the opening sentences which laid forth the CONTEXT of what was to follow which was this:..... "just for the record; regarding Jack's page design? Sola "DOES know what she is talking about" when she says his page ......looks like an over heated calliope. She has extensive art background." Then I proceed to make my point with FACTS pertaining to my design background. It is called backing up a statement.
Jangler Jack is a pitiful, hate filled, 50-year old man who has chosen to still live at home with his parents. He is employed by Wal-Mart in an undemanding, dead-end job as some sort of a clerk. “Department Head” as he likes to embellish it (and he knocks others achievements???). From all appearances, Jack Howell is an ambitionless sponge that has no particular skill, endowment, talent or achievements to claim for his own. So he made a life for himself that delights in tearing down and dismantling the considerable efforts of others.
He has apparently made no effort in his life to develop any particular aptitude. So he sits in his parents house in front of a computer and pretends to be an important “bishop” He calls himself “Rev. Jack Howell” but the truth of the matter is that he has never even run a congregation! For someone like this to impugn others and their accomplishments does, perhaps, expose the heart of the reason of why Jack has so few friends and blessings in his shallow life.
Jackals revels in knocking others when ever the occasion manifests itself. When the opportunity does not exist to bring others to his contribution-less level, Jangler will INVENT the opportunity to insult others efforts, and their achievements and attempt through dishonest re-definition of their words to define others according to his own template of a sluggard’s slothful lazy life.
No class Jack.
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TAMARISK - My Favorite Christian Kitchen "Wizzard" -- Sola, 21:38:35 12/27/02 Fri
Greetings Tamarisk my brother in Christ and fellow kitchen scientist. Have you been turning out any more special meals this Winter like your famous Chicken Cordon Bleu? This is a wonderful time for shopping at the specialty stores and various small markets in our town. Everyone is indoors entertaining, so the shelves are stocked with some unusual items that are cause for creative license in the kitchen laboratory. Mr Sola and I enjoy our shopping excursions together. He pushes the cart and I buy out the store – LOL! It is easy for me to get carried away with all the enticing once a year, and/or, seasonal items that are freshly displayed to tempt my creative cooking juices. I like the seasonal produce of Winter for a change of pace. Even had a messy pomegranate the other day. Pomegranates make me think of the Temple decorations. They are an interesting fruit. Made my fingers purple, wore purple clothes to camouflage my dribbles. It was sweet and good. Hadn’t had one in years. The persimmons I revisited? Well, they had not improved since my last tasting.
In the markets, squashes, yams, roots and tubers, heavier, heartier, fare. Slightly sweeter, more savory foods, and piquant offerings to compliment the climate. Dishes that would also seem to be too heavy to serve in the heat of Summer months.
At our favorite small market recently my roving eye was captivated by some cellophane wrapped dried fruits in individual packages: cranberries, tart cherries, etc. Pretty! Both had a small sugar content to bide off some of the fruits natural “pucker power.” I bought one of each and thought I might incorporate them into some future savoury stuffing for….say, butter-flied pork chops, or Cornish hen stuffing, or…???? They were pretty and turned out to be tasty as well.
I bought a fresh organic Pheasant from Canada. Why? Who knows? It was different and looked good. May have prepared one in my life and didn’t remember what I did too it, OR with it! One of them thar wild hairs I gets now and thens – LOL! I have prepared goose, duck and similar boids. After I bought it thus had committed myself to it, I sort of lost interest and didn’t know what to do with it so I half heartedly threw together some stuffing not certain if it would be good. Here is the recipe:
~~ PHEASANT STUFFING ~~
1 large Fugi apple – cored, peeled, sliced in 8 sections then sliced ¼ inch thick
1 12 oz. package Dole pitted prunes (checking to be sure no fragments are present)
¼ Cup soft dried Tart Cherries (the texture of a moist prune, somewhat)
¼ Cup soft dried Cranberries
¼ Cup Italian Flat Leaf Parsley very coarse chop (NO curly parsley the taste is different)
½ teaspoon Morton and Bassett Herbs de Province
1/8 teaspoon dried thyme
1 teaspoon Lawry’s Seasoned Salt
½ teaspoon ground white pepper
1 small bulb garlic separated, unpeeled (will NOT taste garlicky! Promise) – approx. 9 cloves tossed WHOLE unpeeled in mixture and removed or put on bread when served.
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1- 1 ½ Tablespoons Calvados Apple Brandy (it is not sweet. Had some from making pate one time) regular brandy is fine. The taste in non-existent in dressing. Just a nice touch.
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Toss all ingredients except the brandy in a mixing bowl to blend. After it is mixed well, Drizzle Calvados evenly over mixture and mix well again. It will be dry. Mix occasionally gently. Allow to rest for 15-30 minutes while the pheasant (or Cornish hens) are washed, dried, and their cavity is salted with Lawry’s Seasoned Salt, or sea salt. Pack filling into bird’s cavity tightly. Heap excess on top and fill back flap.
Here is the trick: It was baked in a ROMERTOPF clay pot with a lid.
http://fantes.com/romertopf.htm
The clay pot is soaked in water for an hour before using. The stuffed 3 ¼ pound pheasant was placed in the dried clay pot, basted with unsalted butter, sprinkled lightly with seasoned salt, covered with a soaked clay lid that was dried with paper towels, and cooked in a pre-heated oven for 90 minutes at 425 degrees. Without lifting the lid for the full time. NOTE: Things cooked this method will enhance the herbs and seasoning more that ordinary cooking, so use a lighter touch than usual with seasoning.
Here is what we had with it:
Chilled Field greens: Baby hot house tinder lettuces, romaine hearts, baby spinach, carrot curls, fresh dill weed, garlic chives, cilantro leaves, and paper thin daikon radish slices - topped with roasted/peeled hot house tomatoe we get from Holland this season in most markets. Close to home-grown in taste.
Creamy Walnut Tarragon Vinaigrette: Made with a white wine and herbal vinegar reduction in which the heaping spoon of Morton and Bassett whole tarragon leaves were revived towards the final moments. The two vinegars I used were home made fresh herb scented with added Juniper berries and red arbol chilies that I keep refrigerated and always have marinating on hand. To that was added five drops of honey to balance the tartness without making it sweet, milled pepper, seasoned salt, pinch Lawry’s garlic powder, five drops of tamari sauce, scant shake of Old Bay seasoning, and a tablespoon of dried egg whites. – Whisk to frothy – to that mixture; fresh walnut oil was drizzled as it was whisked and incorporated, then finished with cold pressed canola oil so the walnut flavour does not become too cloying if used alone. It is a thick pour able, slightly walnut flavoured wonderfully balanced dressing!
We have been getting these delicious tiny yams that are about 5” long and less than 2” across. I washed and buttered the skin, and pierced two each for Pappa and I; baked in their skins during the last 35 minutes of the pheasant’s oven time. They are great plain. We serve them with a small pat of butter.
Also was plain wild rice cooked in sea-salted water with the pheasant’s neck added to the cooking broth - just one pat of butter before plating it. I am able to buy the wild rice fresh in bulk for less than $4.00 per pound, so we have it frequently as a grain with fish, pork, or fowl.
I steamed an al dente vegetable medley of broccoli flower-ettes, yellow diagonally sliced yellow crook neck squash, and a spoon of coarsely grated carrot on top at the last second. (green, yellow, white, and orange)
I had a glass of white Burgundy (Macon Villages Chameroy), Mr. Sola Power had red Bordeaux (Medoc). Then we had sun tea, and finished with hot Assam tea.
Needless to say, leftovers at the Sola household take on a new meaning. We always have lots left over. Nice to graze the next day.
Well when I threw the boid together I didn’t know what it would turn out to be. My heart wasn’t in it. OH MAN! What a treat! Remember that cartoon with “doggy yummies” in the 60’s? The dog would eat his treat and say “UMMMM-UM! UMMMMMMM-UM!!!” and he would levitate? Well we almost levitated in the Sola household…snort. Our pup, the Yorkie sits in her bed that we place on top of a dining chair that Pappa draws up beside me at the table so the family eats together. We eat. She watches. She’s a good girl. She just has big eyes, but knows the second she gets rambunctious, or begs – she’s a floor puppy! It has proven to be a good learning tool over the years. She is a very good girl. She hates the floor. The floor is for …..dogs. LOL!
It was such a different and nice combination of Winter flavours. The cherries, prunes and herbs were savory and piquant without being sweet (per se), that blended perfectly with the veggies and wild rice. The good part, the Romertopf makes its own demi-glace in the bottom of the pan. VOILA!! No messing with roux or arrowroot, or more pans. It was drizzled on the carved pheasant and rice. The only thing we lacked were canned crab apples which would have made a pretty garnish.
So pleased with the outcome of the meal.
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Kwanzaa: A Holiday From The FBI (ooh the FBI-word gets the Jangler all tangled in his own web) -- Dolly Llama, 23:44:01 12/26/02 Thu
Kwanzaa: A Holiday From The FBI
December 24, 2002
This is an updated version of a column by Ann Coulter that first ran two years ago in December.
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TRENT LOTT, call your office: Apparently some parts of American history can be sanitized and forgotten. Earlier this week, President George Bush issued a formal White House proclamation celebrating Kwanzaa.
Sounding like a "Saturday Night Live" send-up, Bush praised the "seven principles" of Kwanzaa, "known as Nguzo Saba," and discussed the "early harvest gatherings called 'matunda ya kwanza,' or first fruits." He included the usual claptrap about how Kwanzaa celebrates "traditional African values" and "uniting people of diverse backgrounds and beliefs."
It is a fact that Kwanzaa was invented in 1966 by a black radical FBI stooge, Ron Karenga, aka Dr. Maulana Karenga. Karenga was a founder of United Slaves, a violent nationalist rival to the Black Panthers and a dupe of the FBI.
In what was probably ultimately a foolish gamble, during the madness of the '60s the FBI encouraged the most extreme black nationalist organizations in order to discredit and split the left. The more preposterous the organization, the better. Karenga's United Slaves was perfect. In the annals of the American '60s, Karenga was the Father Gapon, stooge of the czarist police.
Despite modern perceptions that blend all the black activists of the '60s, the Black Panthers did not hate whites. They did not seek armed revolution. Those were the precepts of Karenga's United Slaves. United Slaves were proto-fascists, walking around in dashikis, blowing away Black Panthers and adopting invented "African" names. (That was a big help to the black community: How many boys named "Jamal" currently sit on death row?)
Whether Karenga was a willing dupe, or just a dupe, remains unclear. Curiously, in a 1995 interview with Ethnic NewsWatch, Karenga matter-of-factly explained that the forces out to get O.J. Simpson for the "framed" murder of two whites included: "the FBI, the CIA, the State Department, Interpol, the Chicago Police Department" and so on. (He further noted that "the evidence was not strong enough to prohibit or eliminate unreasonable doubt" -- an interesting standard of proof.) Karenga should know about FBI infiltration.
In the category of the-gentleman-doth-protest-too-much, back in the '70s, Karenga was quick to criticize rumors that black radicals were government-supported. When Nigerian newspapers claimed that some American black radicals were CIA operatives, Karenga leapt in to denounce the idea publicly, saying, "Africans must stop generalizing about the loyalties and motives of Afro-Americans, including the widespread suspicion of black Americans being CIA agents."
By now, there is no question that the FBI fueled the bloody rivalry between the Panthers and United Slaves. In one barbarous outburst, Karenga's United Slaves shot Black Panther Al "Bunchy" Carter on the UCLA campus. Karenga himself served time, a useful stepping-stone for his current position as a black studies professor at California State University at Long Beach.
Kwanzaa itself is a lunatic blend of schmaltzy '60s rhetoric, black racism and Marxism. Indeed, the seven "principles" of Kwanzaa praise collectivism in every possible arena of life -- economics, work, personality, even litter removal. ("Kuumba: Everyone should strive to improve the community and make it more beautiful.") It takes a village to raise a police snitch.
When Karenga was asked to distinguish Kawaida, the philosophy underlying Kwanzaa, from "classical Marxism," he essentially explained that under Kawaida, we also hate whites. While taking the "best of" -- I'm not making this up -- "early Chinese and Cuban socialism," Kawaida practitioners believe one's racial identity "determines life conditions, life chances and self-understanding." There's an inclusive philosophy for you.
Coincidentally, the seven principles of Kwanzaa are the very same seven principles of the Symbionese Liberation Army, another charming invention of the Least-Great Generation. In 1974, Patricia Hearst, kidnap victim-cum-SLA revolutionary, posed next to the banner of her alleged captors, a seven-headed cobra. Each snake head stood for one of the SLA's revolutionary principles: Umojo, Kujichagulia, Ujima, Ujamaa, Nia, Kuumba and Imani -- precisely the seven "principles" of Kwanzaa.
With his Kwanzaa greetings, President Bush is saluting the intellectual sibling of the Symbionese Liberation Army, killer of housewives and police. He is saluting the founder of United Slaves, who were such lunatics that they shot Panthers for not being sufficiently insane -- all with the FBI as their covert ally. It's as if David Duke invented a holiday called "Anglica," and the president of the United States issued a presidential proclamation honoring the synthetic holiday. People might well stand up and take notice if that happened.
Kwanzaa was the result of a '60s psychosis grafted onto black community. Liberals have become so mesmerized by multicultural nonsense that they have forgotten the real history of Kwanzaa and United Slaves -- the violence, the Marxism, the insanity. Most absurdly, for leftists anyway, is that they have forgotten the FBI's tacit encouragement of this murderous black nationalist cult founded by the father of Kwanzaa.
Now the "holiday" concocted by an FBI dupe is honored in a presidential proclamation calling it a "holiday that promotes mutual understanding." A movement that started approximately 2,000 years before Kwanzaa leaps well beyond merely "promot(ing) mutual understanding" to say we are all equal before God. It is so inclusive, people get mad at it. That movement is also celebrated this week. But the Christian leaders at the forefront of the abolitionist and civil rights movements have been washed down the memory hole.
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Dolly -- tamarisk, 07:12:31 12/26/02 Thu
I don't read the majority of the Fowlers postings but, Neo-Evangelicals and Neo-Fundamentalists are such because they are deluded in their false and wrong teachings.
The truth is Fowler Jackals has a "board." A compelling question is, can the Rt Rev Fowler be voted out of his "position" as Bishop of Moore and self-appointed head of PFA, Inc.
All the true, NT Baptist Church I have attended, allows all members ONE VOTE. Votes are often taken on business and financial matters involving the congretation, the election of church officers(Pastors, Bishops(I laugh at the term Bishop because of Pastor Lenz's comment when I called the radio program a few weeks ago to discuss the "spirit-filled Baptist church in Moore), Deacons, ect.) There is NO stipulation, as in some churches I have personally visited, to be up to date in their "tithes," to be considered a "member."
It doesn't matter whether he has actually paid the $500.00 fee required by the IRS for becoming tax-exempt. The Rt Rev belieives hisself to be a corporation,and thus, subject to the corporate laws of AmeriKa.
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Tamarisk, Josiah, ACNR, Annie of the Lakes, Bethany & Preludium -- Dolly Llama, 08:15:44 12/26/02 Thu
You are right: "It doesn't matter whether he has actually paid the $500.00 fee required by the IRS for becoming tax-exempt. The Rt Rev belieives hisself to be a corporation,and thus, subject to the corporate laws of AmeriKa."
Simply stated: Were either Peter, Paul, or Jesus "incorporated"? If they were not, then what is the scriptural authority under which the bedroom bishop is conducting his bedroom "ministry"? Which all gets back to our references of the jangler's Amaziah-like false, pious activities that are not Biblically sanctioned.
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Re: Tamarisk, Josiah, ACNR, Annie of the Lakes, Bethany & Preludium -- Dolly Llama, 08:27:35 12/26/02 Thu
Regarding PFA,Incorporated's "finances" as I recall (I have it in my files, these folks are known for re-arranging their deck chairs when they are exposed!).....
Their statement (paraphrased) says basically that all finances go through their "treasurer" but are ultimately the decision of "the bishop."
Fine. So as we have illustrated before with their direct quotes, guess what? They don't have a "treasurer"! So what does that really mean? Well, if all financial decisions are the ultimate decision of their so called "bishop" and he has "final" authority over the disbursement of their finances......figure it out first graders. What a flotilla of flotsam!
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Re: Tamarisk, Josiah, ACNR, Annie of the Lakes, Bethany & Preludium -- Sola, 08:38:19 12/26/02 Thu
"For those laced-panties, prissy, contumacious professers against truth, Woe unto you!!
Jude 1:10-12
10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;"
Woe unto you Jack Howell! You cloud without water. You wicked tree without fruit. You are twice dead parading about in your faux meaningless titles you shall be plucked up by your roots and tossed into the lake of fire with the rest of the strife-baring false religionests you cavort with.
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Re: Tamarisk, Josiah, ACNR, Annie of the Lakes, Bethany & Preludium -- tamarisk, 13:46:47 12/26/02 Thu
The only reason for incorporation is for tax purposes. The "corporation"(i.e., the goobermint) "protects" their own through corporate law. The Rt Rev started his rant some months ago by accusing ACNR, you and myself by contacting the phone company, our ISP's, threatening for using his weak testimony, articles of faith, etc.
I think it was Felix the Cat, who used to reach into his bag of tricks, whenever he was in a fix(from my watching Capt. Kangaroo daze), who practice the same deception of the Rt Rev from Moore, OK.
What was it the Rt Rev Fowler recently wrote concerning who he lets into "his" corporation? They all have to believe and affirm "his" Mission Statement/Articles of Faith. Does this mean they must believe in the very Vineyard Movement delusions of a "lighthouse coming up, out of the prairie of OK. They must all be "Lighthouse" adherents.
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Anymouse -- tamarisk, 07:31:51 12/26/02 Thu
Tis The Season To Be (Jolly) Thankful
For what you say!
Number One John 3:16
Y'shua is the reason for the season.
No greater gift could anyone give or receive.
The blessed assurance that the time will come for all those
In Mechiach Y'shua. The end of suffering, sorrow and pain forever.
There will be no more curse.
There will be no more death.
Yes you say!!! But what do we do until then?
So glad you asked. In this order:
1. Storm the gates of Hell.
2. Be a Doer of the Word and NOT a hearer only.
3. Always keep fighting the fight, never quit.
More important to you and I, than any retirement program that money can buy, is found in the instructions of the Talmidim Sh'aul in 1 Corinthians 3:10-15 so you had better be a James 1:22-25.
All right you say!!! I'm ready, Where do I start? First, believe Philippians 4:13 and then Ephesians 6:11-19. Enough you say!!! Why all the Bible verses? Why don't you just write them out??
The answer of course is that YOU are to 2 Timothy 2:15.
At this time of year, it seems like anyone is pondering what to by for this person or that as a Christmas gift. Here is the awesome truth.
You and I, are able to give a gift that most of the worlds wealthest people can't give. You see, they have never heard the Gospel of THEIR Salvation. They can't give the gift. 2 Corinthians 6:17-21--What a wonderful truth.
Your Salvation.
For those laced-panties, prissy, contumacious professers against truth, Woe unto you!!
Jude 1:10-12
10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
(KJV)
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LOOK WHO HAS FRUIT FLIES!!! FOCL&L&L&L -- R-A-I-D!, 21:43:42 12/01/02 Sun
BISHOP BEEZLE-BUBBA HAS FRUIT FLIES!
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LOOK WHO HAS FRUIT FLIES!!! FOCL&L&L&L -- Sola, 23:55:38 12/01/02 Sun
Yo! Rev. Jangler! Have you tried planting roses?
.......as a corner lot owner, we got rid of that problem by planting roses in the neighborhood dog's favorite spot!
You really should do something with that problem before they lay eggs and produce maggots.
Thanks for the laugh Jack!
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SNOW JOB: ACCOMPLICE TO THE LORD OF FLIES HATES BEING EXPOSED!!! LOL -- Sola Scriptura, 21:18:55 12/02/02 Mon
It seems we exposed Jack Jangler’s god, The Lord of Flies at bb.Boy.net (could that be for Bishop Beezle-Bubba?) and it made him mad. Tisk-tisk. So Jack traded in his hypocrisy’s fruit flies that were gathering to pay homage to his rotten fruit for cutsie blue snow flakes. Symbolism over substance - Very kitsch Jack. Do you have pink plastic flamingos on your parent’s front yard? Jack’s blue snowflakes, like his fruit flies will both end up in the spider's web of his hypocrite’s religion. You are such a clever devil. Charles Spurgeon exposed your types a hundred years ago when he penned the following:
They Weave The Spider's Web
by C. H. Spurgeon, Morning And Evening,
"They weave the spider's web." -- Isaiah 59:5
See the spider's web, and behold in it a most suggestive picture of the hypocrite's religion. It is meant to catch his prey: the spider fattens himself on flies, and the Pharisee has his reward. Foolish persons are easily entrapped by the loud professions of pretenders, and even the more judicious cannot always escape. Philip baptized Simon Magus, whose guileful declaration of faith was so soon exploded by the stern rebuke of Peter. Custom, reputation, praise, advancement, and other flies, are the small game which hypocrites take in their nets. A spider's web is a marvel of skill: look at it and admire the cunning hunter's wiles. Is not a deceiver's religion equally wonderful? How does he make so barefaced a lie appear to be a truth? How can he make his tinsel answer so well the purpose of gold? A spider's web comes all from the creature's own bowels. The bee gathers her wax from flowers, the spider sucks no flowers, and yet she spins out her material to any length. Even so hypocrites find their trust and hope within themselves; their anchor was forged on their own anvil, and their cable twisted by their own hands. They lay their own foundation, and hew out the pillars of their own house, disdaining to be debtors to the sovereign grace of God. But a spider's web is very frail. It is curiously wrought, but not enduringly manufactured. It is no match for the servant's broom, or the traveller's staff. The hypocrite needs no battery of Armstrongs to blow his hope to pieces, a mere puff of wind will do it. Hypocritical cobwebs will soon come down when the besom of destruction begins its purifying work. Which reminds us of one more thought, viz., that such cobwebs are not to be endured in the Lord's house: He will see to it that they and those who spin them shall be destroyed for ever. O my soul, be thou resting on something better than a spider's web. Be the Lord Jesus thine eternal hiding-place."
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SNOW JOB: ACCOMPLICE TO THE LORD OF FLIES HATES BEING EXPOSED!!! LOL -- LOL!, 01:42:40 12/25/02 Wed
Shame on you Sola! You bad gurl! You laughed at Jack's garish website design and made him so mad that he tried to block you. Little man can't take it, can he? Did you notice he must have used Selsun Blue. It made his dandruff turn blue. Did you see all the dandruff on his page? No wonder no woman wants him. First he had a bad case of fruit flies, and Sola laughed at him. Then he traded them in for blue dandruff. But, shhhhh! It makes him mad to laugh at it. He thinks his slow loading site is "tasteful". I bet it was faster to load an old Napoleon Cannon than it is to load one of Jack's pages! His page loading speed has nothing on Civil War Artillery! L&L&L!
Tell me, does his site design look like an over heated caliope, or what? Stick some plastic explosives near it and just imagine what a polychromatic-psychodelic explosion that would be! Or does it look more a slot machine, or maybe like a pinball machine on TILT? Gads, I hope Willa doesn't let him select their upholstery and draperies. Can YOU imagine? What a hoot!
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PFAI and More Deception In The Church -- Sola Scriptura, 20:43:36 12/24/02 Tue
According to Jack Howell: ” (Tamarisk) he attempts to equate PFAI with the ecumenical movement,…….There are a number of things wrong with this latest rant of Tamarisk; the chief one being that it is quite obvious that Tamarisk has never bothered to read PFAI's Statement of Faith.It is also quite obvious that Tamarisk is unaware that affiliates of PFAI must agree with our Statement of Faith in order to become part of our fellowship This rules out ecumenicalism, since ecumenicalism recognizes all faiths regardless of doctrine, and this PFAI does not do. It is quite obvious that Catholics, Episcopalians, etc., could not and would not agree with our Statement of faith,….. Since we do not allow into our fellowship those who do not agree with our Statement of Faith, it is quite apparent that we are not ecumenical. ….it is apparent that we are not ecumenical. Thus, it is quite obvious that Tamarisk did not do his homework and proper research. ” (un-necessary and un-Godly flaming was deleted)
It is interesting that Jack Howell is allowed to read here and has attempted to hide his site from some of us here. What is he afraid of? Is he trying to hide the facts? Let’s look at them in light of Jack’s claims that PFAI’s members are not ecumenists. They are fairly straightforward.
QUOTES FROM “MICHAEL KEAR MINISTRIES” the founder of PFAI’s web page:
”North American Academy of Ecumenists
The goal of the North American Academy of Ecumenists is to inform, relate, and encourage men and women whose profession or ministry in the church involves them in ecumenical activities and studies. Its unique contribution is to provide ecumenists with an open structure for exploring issues too important to be left exclusively to official ecumenical agencies and projects.”
KEAR’S FAVORITE MUSIC:
”John Michael Talbot
Heavenly Music!”
Remember, the last time we exposed Mike Kear and his “favorite websites,” he deleted the links from his website within 24 hours after we exposed as aberrant. Maybe that is why Jack tries to keep us from reading his site. Sneaky little devils like the darkness.
So who is John Michael Talbot? What is the message he teaches? Why did I toss out all my own cassette tapes for the car many years ago, and leave them for BFI to pick up in the alley? Here is what one person reviewing his music has to say about it…………
Remember Jack’s claims above when reading this.
” JOHN MICHAEL TALBOT (Monk and Recording Artist)
Reviewing one of his albums: "The Regathering. A call, to gather the dispersed traditions of our Christian heritage to evangelize the world."
Thus begins the description of John Michael Talbot's album; the art work includes pictures of Martin Luther, St. Peter's Basilica, St. Bernard, Zwingli, Calvin, St. Paul, John Wesley, Ignatius of Loyola (founder of the Jesuits and two Roman Catholic popes, Gregory the Great and Leo the Great. Talbot is a Franciscan monk whose cassettes are often sold in "Christian" book stores.
Talbot's explanation of this work is that it "is a musical work for Christian unity. Christians must stand together as a unified people to face the awesome challenges of our world. They are too great to face alone, or even as fragmented denominations, fellowships or groups. This is a time that demands unity."
Some of the lyrics appear to give glory to God, but when you read Talbot's explanations, it becomes apparent what the hidden motives really are. In his song, ONE FAITH, Talbot says he "drew from Ignatius of Antioch's ecclesiology of apostolic succession." He makes special mention of Simon Peter's having received the keys of the Kingdom, and speaks of regathering His people back home; into one fold and one faith. Those familiar with Roman Catholic ecclesiology know to what home, fold and faith Talbot is referring.
The theme of BUILD UP is the regathering that will take place as a result of God's forgiving our sin, which occurred in ONE FAITH when God caused the scattering because of false shepherds.
SAY TO THE PRISONER is a call from "Mother" Church, who will not forget her wandering child, to come, as during the trek home they will find green pastures. SEE MY SERVANT, according to Talbot, is meant to usher us through a door to actual fulfillment of the goal of the (prophetic) call; the unified worship. HAVE MERCY contains the actual words of the Kyrie Elieson of the Mass, thus establishing a link between Talbot's ecumenism and the theological center of Roman Catholicism. ALL WHO ARE THIRSTY is a call to the individual for commitment to unity, and symbolizes, for Talbot, "the mingling of water and wine in the Eucharist." The ending is supposed to remind us, says Talbot, "that the work of unity is not complete. It is only beginning,"
I urge Christians to visit their local religious book store and if this title (or any other title by Talbot) is available, to bring the contents to the attention of the owners. Some boycott stores that sell liquor; certainly this poison is even more deadly because of the ecumenical implications of all Talbot's work)”
Jack Howell states:"It is also quite obvious that Tamarisk is unaware that affiliates of PFAI must agree with our Statement of Faith in order to become part of our fellowship This rules out ecumenicalism, since ecumenicalism recognizes all faiths regardless of doctrine, and this PFAI does not do. It is quite obvious that Catholics, Episcopalians, etc., could not and would not agree with our Statement of faith,….."
doesn't want me to read the posts at his site. Serpents don’t like accountability. Let's see if old honest Kear makes his links mentioned above do another disappearing act - AGAIN.
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PFAI slipping further and further into ecumenicalism -- unity for unity's sake -- Sola Scriptura, 21:19:37 12/24/02 Tue
JOHN MICHAEL TALBOT
From TROUBADOUR FOR THE LORD by Dan O'Neill.
Ibid., page 130.(Talbot states) "I believe we'll find unity one day - at least a significant measure of it. But this, in my opinion, will only come through a full philosophical, historical and scriptural unity. This is the tripod on which a unified church must stand. If any one leg is removed, it will collapse," John asserts.
Ibid., page 131. "(Father Ecklecamp, executive secretary of the Englishspeaking Conference of the Provincial Ministers of the Order of Friars Minor) has ruled that Protestants may become ecumenical Franciscan members, opening the door to virtually all interested parties.
From SIMPLICITY, John Michael Talbot, page 54. "Care must be taken, though, that the Scriptures not be studied in isolation from the ongoing teaching of the church." (Roman Catholicism) "True, we have the Spirit of God within us to guide and direct us. We have an objective body of teaching in the Scriptures. But remember: it was the church that authenticated these Scriptures, and it is the teaching office of the church which provides the commentary or the instruction to interpret these biblical documents. A balance must be maintained between tradition and Scripture."
From SIMPLICITY, John Michael Talbot. "Personally, I have found praying the Rosary to be one of the most powerful tools I possess in obtaining simple, childlike meditation on the life of Jesus Christ."
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Now, what was Jack's claim again?
"It is also quite obvious that Tamarisk is unaware that affiliates of PFAI must agree with our Statement of Faith in order to become part of our fellowship This rules out ecumenicalism, since ecumenicalism recognizes all faiths regardless of doctrine, and this PFAI does not do. It is quite obvious that Catholics, Episcopalians, etc., could not and would not agree with our Statement of faith,….. Since we do not allow into our fellowship those who do not agree with our Statement of Faith, it is quite apparent that we are not ecumenical. ….it is apparent that we are not ecumenical. Thus, it is quite obvious that Tamarisk did not do his homework and proper research. ”
Again to re-cap: What does Mike Kear proclaim to be his idea of "Heavenly Music!"?
Who are Kear's recommended links?
FROM KEAR'S SITE (LINKED FROM JACK'S SITE).......:
"”North American Academy of Ecumenists
The goal of the North American Academy of Ecumenists is to inform, relate, and encourage men and women whose profession or ministry in the church involves them in ecumenical activities and studies. Its unique contribution is to provide ecumenists with an open structure for exploring issues too important to be left exclusively to official ecumenical agencies and projects.”"
Even though Jack Howell is so fond of the phrase "It is quite obvious/it is quite apparent" that he enlists the terms multi times in one paragraph; the only thing that is truly "quite obvious" to those in the real world is that Jack Howell and PFAI are flat out liars and deceivers among the sheep.
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PFAI slipping further and further into ecumenicalism -- unity for unity's sake -- Sola Scriptura, 21:34:59 12/24/02 Tue
Remember the source for Mike Kear's "Heavenly Music" is a Franciscian Monk.
Who ARE the Franciscans and where did they derive the name?
Francis of Assisi (1182-1226) is one of Rome's "saints." He was the founder of the Franciscans, that Catholic order of monks who, together with the Dominicans, brutally persecuted Bible believers during the Dark Ages. The pope to whom Francis pledged his allegiance was Innocent III, the very father of the wretched and bloody inquisition.
While Innocent III sent out
his henchmen to hunt out and torment the "heretical" (real Christians) Waldenses, Francis of Assisi was his loyal subject. Before his death, in fact, Francis raised up an army of spiritually blind papal loyalists. By the time of his death, the order of Franciscan monks had grown to roughly 5,000.
Kear, under the blind undiscerning eye of Jack Howell, is proclaiming music as being "heavenly" from a member of a religious order of Roman Catholic monks who brutally tortured and slaughtered Bible believing Christians.
It is sad and frightful that PFAKES at PFAI have chosen to honor false teachers and their music.
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PFAI slipping further and further into ecumenicalism - Their fruit has flies! -- R-A-I-D!, 01:18:00 12/25/02 Wed
BISHOP BEEZLE-BUBBA HAS FRUIT FLIES!
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ACNR/Dolly/Bethany -- tamarisk, 07:56:29 08/15/02 Thu
I had to snicker at "Rev. Car Jack's" post concerning his contacting the ACLJ concerning these forums and Voy's lack of concern over what is posted in its forums.
You would have to figure the "Rev" would go to an organization such as the ACLJ. Jay Sekulow is a Messianic Jew who is supported by Pat Robertson, The 700 Club and Regent University.
None of those people or organizations are Fundamentalist, Bible Believing Christians. But, they are "Car Jack" type "Christians."
Since the "Rev" is a self-proclaimed "Bishop-For-Life," I again state he is a latent RC. Jackals seems to like to wield his "priestly powers" on these forums. He issues his "holy orders" the fusses and fumes when people don't bow down and kiss his ring. Jackals has really promoted himself to the postion of Metropolitan. Just wondering who or whom "elected" the "Rev."
Usually, those holding that title are required to be celibate. That could pose a problem with Jackal's having a Voy site devoted to finding himself a "Christian woman."
While Jackal's sites on his exaulted, guilded throne, extending his pastoral staff, wearing his pectoral cross and ring, believing in his RCC based belief of Apostolic Succession, HIS teaching and beliefs are from the pit of Hell.
An amuzing character is he. Just your typical bought and paid for hack of the goobermint, wearing a black dress on Sunday. Where I come from, those people are called women. That makes Jackal's dangerous in his whoredom. I have more respect for a common street whore than the spiritual whore's such as Jackal's.
Reverend Jack Howell, Spiritual Whore, Inc.
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Jackal and his blind devotion to cultist Finis J. Dake fits exact definition jackal gave for a CULT -- A Catholic, NOT Roman, 11:48:52 08/15/02 Thu
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Definition: A cult is a group of people gathered around someone's misinterpretation of the Bible and is characterized by major deviations from orthodox Christian doctrine relative to the cardinal truths of the Christian faith, particularly the fact that God became man in Jesus Christ. A cult then, is a perversion or distortion of New Testament Christianity and/or a rejection of the historic teachings of the Christian Church. The Apostle Paul warned there would be false christs and a false gospel that would attempt to deceive the True Church and the world. "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works." (2 Corinthians 11:13-15)
The following is an exerpt from an article written by a "Rev. Jack Howell" found at:
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Eighty-nine Proofs of A Divine Trinity
What we mean by Divine Trinity is that there are three separate and distinct persons in the Godhead,
The doctrine of the Trinity can be clearly seen, being understood by the visible things that are made, even to His eternal power and Godhead (Romans 1:20). What on earth was created in the image and likeness of God? Man (Genesis 1:26-28). Do God's image and likeness consist only of moral and spiritual powers? If so, it can be concluded that man is only a moral and spiritual being. Is God bodiless? If so, we can conclude that man is also bodiless.
Is God only one being made up of several persons or beings in the one being? If so, we can conclude that man is one person or being made up of many. Does God need a flesh body in order to have any kind of body? No! There are such things as spirit and heavenly bodies. See 1 Cor. 15:35-38. From this passage we learn that all things in creation?grain, fish, birds, beasts, man, angels, and even the planets?have bodies, sizes, shapes, and forms.
The Bible declares that God has a body, shape, image, likeness, physical parts, a personal soul and spirit, and all other things that constitute a being or a person with a body, soul, and spirit (see note, §John 4:24; note, §John 5:37; The Doctrine of Man.
Angels, cherubim, seraphim, and all other spirit beings have spirit bodies and personal souls and spirits. They have been seen with the natural eyes of men over 100 times in Scripture (see Appearances of Angels to Men). If all other spirit beings have spirit bodies, could not the members of the Trinity also have spirit bodies? The 284 passages on spirits in Scripture prove that spirit bodies are just as real and capable of operation in the material worlds as are flesh bodies. There is no such thing as a world of creations made up of invisible substance. The so-called spirit world must be understood simply as spirit beings inhabiting material worlds created by God. Heaven itself is a material planet (Genesis 1:1; Hebrews 11:10-16), having cities, mansions, furniture, inhabitants, living conditions, etc. See Heaven.
God has been seen physically by human eyes many times (Genesis 18:1-33; Genesis 19:24; Genesis 32:24-30; Exodus 24:11; Exodus 33:11-33; Joshua 5:13-15; Judges 6:11-23; Judges 13:3-25; 1 Chron. 21:16-17; Job 42:5; Isaiah 6; Ezekiel 1:26-28; Ezekiel 10:1,20; Ezekiel 40:3; Daniel 7:9-14; Daniel 10:5-10; Acts 7:56-59; Rev. 4:2-5; Rev. 5:1,5-7,11-14; Rev. 6:16; Rev. 7:9-17; Rev. 19:4; Rev. 21:3-5; Rev. 22:4).
In over 20,000 references about God in Scripture we get to know all we need to know about the subject. If we will take the Bible literally as to what it says about Him, as we do with other things the subject will be very clear; but if we make God a mystery, ignoring the plain statements of Scripture about Him, and refusing to believe the many descriptions of God given by those who have seen one, two, and three separate persons called "God," then we ill remain in ignorance.
It is true there are a few figurative statements about God in Scripture, as there are about man and other things, but shall we do away with the reality of man and these other things because of a few figures of speech? Let us make man mere salt and lights (Matthew 5:13-14), if we are going to do away with God because of a few figures of speech.
The Rev. Jack Howell is part of the ever growing apostate church of pentecostals who have been deceived by Finis J. Dake(Dake's Connotative Bible) and the Word of Faith cult.
That heresy, and gross distortion of the Nature of God is built around one man, Finis J. Dake and his gross misinterpretation of the Scriptures leading to rank heresy, and in opposition to the historic teaching of the Christian Church through the heresy and gross distortion of the Bible to say God has a "body", and is therefore restricted to location. The Bible clearly teaches that God is omnipresent and is not restricted to a "body". In jack howell's and Finis J. Dake's cult, their god has 3 bodies, 3 souls and 3 spirits---grossly distorting the Scriptures and teaching of the historic Christian faith.
Yes indeed, jack-of-demons howell and his cult founder Finis J. Dake fit the definition of a CULT perfectly.
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Jackal and his blind devotion to cultist Finis J. Dake fits exact definition jackal gave for a CULT -- Exposing False Profits, 22:47:59 12/24/02 Tue
The Rev. Jack Howell is part of the ever growing apostate church of pentecostals who have been deceived by Finis J. Dake(Dake's Connotative Bible) and the Word of Faith cult.
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JuJu Jack Doesn't Have A Church! He Lives With His Mother. -- Exposing A Raving Luney Heretic!, 19:13:20 08/19/02 Mon
"by Rev. Jack Howell
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"I did not ignore the gist of your post. It was so uninformed and ridiculous that it simply did not warrant a response. Since PFAI is NOT a church, but a fellowship of churches of various Pentecostal persuasions, you are demonstrating that you do not have a clue as to what you are talking about. You see, we are a fellowship of Spirit-filled Baptist churches, charismatic churches, Independent Assembly of God churches, Pentecostal Holiness churches, so you have no clue."
"Rev. Jack Howell"
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To All PFAI Members
Posted by Bishop Jack Howell on 12/9/2001, 10:51 am
205.188.192.161
"I sent this out via email, but I don't think I have everyone's email address. I would like to ask the members of PFAI to prayerfully consider supporting our fellowship with monthly contributions to further aid the aims of this fellowship and ministry. Presently, PFAI has virtually no income other than what I have been giving out of my own pocket, and I would like to invite all members as well as non-members who would like to, to share in the financial support of this ministry. We need to have a solid financial base to operate, and at present that base is non-existent. The Lord has been speaking to me about going into full-time ministry with PFAI and in order to do that, we need to have a financial base to operate with. We need to know that there will be a dedicated income coming in.
I encourage you to pray about this, and pray about how much the Lord would have you contribute each month. If you have further questions, please feel free to email me.
Contributions may be sent to:
Bishop Jack Howell
PFAI
P.O. Box 6054
Moore, OK 73153-0054
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JACK HOWELL IS A FRAUD! HE DOES NOT HAVE A CHURCH! HE LIVES WITH WILLA, HIS MOTHER. THAT IS WHERE THIS "FELLOWSHIP" IS! THIS MONEY GOES TO HIM AND WILLA!!!JACK HOWELL AND ANOTHER MAN APPOINTED HIM "BISHOP" SO HE COULD WEAR A FALSE TITLE AND DEMAND RESPECT LIKE A PHARISEE.
"Bishop JuJu Jack follows his heretic teacher, Finis Dake, by adding his own righteousness to the Finished Work of Christ on the Cross, thereby making his works necessary for salvation and the completing work of salvation.
It's no small wonder that demon jack is in agreement with Rome on the issue of soteriology---they are both of the spirit of antichrist.
ZAP! EXPOSED AS A FRAUD!!! BEWARE!!!
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Re: JuJu Jack Doesn't Have A Church! He Lives With His Mother. -- tamarisk, 08:21:23 08/20/02 Tue
And I thought Jackals just liked wearing a black dress as a transexual, crossdressing bishop. ;)
What, no Charismatic RC churches under his care and direction? I am copying that post to send and read on worldwide short wave radio this Friday. I plan on asking my pastor what exactly is a "Spirit filled Baptist church?" The only way they will become "spirit filled" according the Jackals teachings, is they substitute the kosher grape juice for wine, once a month, at the Lord's Supper. Yes Jackals, I was in an Independent Baptist Church which used kosher grape juice and unleavened matzo for the elements of the Lord's Table. You ought to try a True, New Testement Baptist Church sometime. That one which issued you your "license" is a fraud. I'd like the address and the name of the pastor issuing that license. I'd like to write them and persuade them to pull your "license."
Iff'n he's not a church, then what is he? A missionary? NO! I know the Carter's in China, the Burke's in South Africa, and other missionaries around the world. Jackals, your no missionary for the Lord! I know what true Churches and Missionaries do around the world. They far more appreciate knowing you are praying for them and their needs. They rarely, if ever, ask for money from supporters on their mailing lists. They understand they couldn't survive long without funding, but they couldn't survive an hour without people praying for them and their ministries.
I think ol' Jackals needs to go up into his prayer tower until people send him money. He might add the cute touch that the Lord will "take him home" if he does not get funding. Since I don't give monies to 501 c 3, tax exempt, registered tax collecting agencies of the IRS, Jackals will wait a long time for my money order.
Guess ol car Jack has never stopped to consider that old debil in all this, either.
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Re: JuJu Jack Doesn't Have A Church! He Lives With His Mother. -- the smoke is blowin in Moore Oklahoma, 17:59:37 08/20/02 Tue
The "church" of PFAI is a POST OFFICE BOX in Moore, Oklahoma. 45 year old Jackals conducts his "fellowship" from his PARENTS home, in which he resides. Jack Howell lives with his parents!!!!
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Re: Jack lives with his Mom
Author:Rev. Jack Howell
Date Posted: 02:16:13 08/20/02 Tue
In reply to: one who knows how pathetic he is message, "Jack lives with his Mom" on 02:16:13 08/20/02 Tue
".....By the way, I DO live with my mother and my father AT THEIR REQUEST since my mother's health is bad and needs to be looked after, and since my father is also now elderly and broke his neck in a automobile accident a few years back and can no longer work. YOU HAVE PROBLEM WITH THAT? I will be more than happy to discuss that with you one on one and in person, little boy. "
AND THIS, REGARDING THE ABOVE POST AT THE TOP OF THIS THREAD:
Posted by Jack Howell
Date Posted: 17:38:36 08/20/02 Tue
"Sorry, but that is NOT begging for money and is perfectly legitimate, or have you not read the New Testament? It is also in accord with the laws of the United States of America, or have you not checked the IRS codes lately? That post was addressed to PFAI members only, of which YOU are not, therefore the post did not and does not apply to you, so obviously, you are sticking your nose where it does not belong which amounts to being a "busy body in other men's matters which is contrary to scripture (1 Peter 4:15). This also proves you are a fraud and spiritual counterfeit."
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Re: JuJu Jack Doesn't Have A Church! He Lives With His Mother. -- tamarisk, 08:12:19 08/21/02 Wed
As typical of the "name it and claim it" crowd, Jackals misrepresents the Scriptures in James 4:15 by leaving out verse 16. The key here is "...suffer as a Christian,.." He has yet proven himself to be a Born Again, Saved by Grace Alone, through Faith Alone Believer in Y'shua.
The True Bible Believing Christian can and will suffer for Mechiach and NOT be ashamed because he will give the Glory to Him that saved him.
Jackals also fails to read further to verse 17:
1 Pet 4:17-19
17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.
(KJV)
What does this pronouncement mean Jackals? Is there suffering in the Church for the sake of Mechiach? Are we in, or very close, to the end times? The key here may well be NOT to pray for deliverance from this suffering but to pray as did Y'shua and Stephen for G_d to receive our spirit.
I find if interesting that Jackals has a calling of taking care of his parents. Yet, unaware of Sh'aul's clear teaching on the virtue of remaining single. Jackals has his Voy site, cruzin' for "Christian" chicks. Was just wondering if he is going to move her in with mommy and daddy.
I wonder if Jackals believes he needs to be in bed yet again with the goobermint by getting a state marriage license?
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Re: JuJu Jack Doesn't Have A Church! He Lives With His Mother. -- tamarisk, 10:08:23 08/21/02 Wed
It would seem Jackals is deceived by his own prideful spirit into believing the goobermint/IRS party line concerning registered, 501 c 3 tax collecting institutions.
This is a list of what the goobermint, through incorporation, will not all Jackals to do as a registered ministry. Oh, the goobermint is happy, pleased even, for him to stay within the friendly confines of his parents home, spouting what ever message he will. So is the debil. Just don't take the truth to the streets, doing the work of a missionary, preaching the Gospel Truth.
Does the IRS hate the Gospel and despise Bible-believing Christians? Has the IRS become a police-state agency that regularly persecutes churches, pastors, and ministries that still believe in old-fashioned patriotism? Listed below are 35 things the IRS contends are prohibited of churches and ministries. A pastor or ministry leader who violates the guidelines of the IRS on these 35 prohibitions can have his church or group's tax exemption revoked and be dealt with harshly by the IRS.
These 35 prohibitions on churches and ministries demonstrate how the IRS and the federal government now control churches and insure politically and religiously "correct" behavior. Liberal Christian churches and false religions such as Hunduism, Witchcraft, and Scientology are not affected by these rules--only Bible-believing, Christian ministries and churches. Also, keep in mind: These 35 things are not prohibited by law nor by the Constitution. The IRS considers itself above the law and the Constitution.
According to the IRS, Christian churches, ministries, and organizations may not:
1. Expose conspiracies.
2. Criticize the New World Order.
3. Say or publish anything negative about any politician, Republican or Democrat.
4. Criticize government agencies and bureaus--the IRS, FBI, BATF, CIA, EPA, DEA, OSHA, DOJ, etc.
5. Criticize an institution of government such as the White House, the Congress, the Federal Reserve Board, or the Supreme Court.
6. Encourage citizens to call or write their congressman, senator, governor, mayor, or other public official.
7. Criticize any proposed or pending bill or legislation that would take away the rights and freedoms of the people. 8. Make disparaging remarks about, or criticize, any other faith group, cult, or religion.
9. Expose or criticize the New Age Movement.
10. Support or encourage a law-abiding citizen's militia.
11. Support or encourage the Second Amendment, the right of the people to keep and bear arms.
12. Discourage young women from getting an abortion, or endorse the pro-life movement.
13. Teach that abortion, especially partial birth abortion, is murder and is the killing of innocent babies.
14. Identify homosexuality as a sin and an abomination to God.
15. Express an opinion on any subject or issue.
16. Appeal to peoples' emotions by employing an evangelization method (such as "fire and brimstone" preaching) not considered a "reasoned approach" by the IRS.
17. Discuss or identify threats to Christianity.
18. Discuss subjects or topics the IRS deems "sensationalist."
19. Criticize well-known public figures or institutions the IRS deems "worthy", such as the super-rich elite, international bankers, the Hollywood movie industry, etc. 20. Publish or broadcast information on any topic without giving credence to the opposing viewpoints of Christ's enemies.
21. Publish and offer books, tapes, or products that expose the elitist plot against humanity and God.
22. Criticize the Pope or the Vatican, or contrast the New Catholic Catechism with the truths found in the Holy Bible. (Note: Only liberal churches are permitted by the IRS to criticize the Catholic Church).
23. Criticize the United Nations or such globalist groups as the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderbergers, and the Trilateral Commission.
24. Criticize the Masonic Lodge, the Order of Skull & Bones, or other secret societies.
25. Highlight or otherwise bring attention to immorality of public officials or corruption in government. 26. Complain of government wrongdoing or injustice, such as happened at Waco, Ruby Ridge, and elsewhere.
27. Criticize the Jewish ADL or other Jewish lobby groups. 28. Say anything positive about the "religious right" or the "patriot movement."
29. Support home schooling, home churches, or unregistered churches.
30. Spend money on missionary projects or charitable causes not approved by the IRS.
31. Promote or encourage alternative healthcare (herbs, vitamins, etc.).
32. Expose false teachings of any kind by anyone.
33. Support or encourage persecuted Christians suffering under anti-Christian regimes in Red China, Cuba, Russia, Israel, Saudi Arabia, the United States, and elsewhere.
34. Ordain a pastor whose training or qualifications are not approved by the IRS.
35. Advocate or teach any Bible doctrine that is politically or religiously incorrect, or is inconsistent with any "public policy" (abortion, feminism, gay rights, etc.) currently being enforced by the IRS.
Please examine the above list of 35 prohibitions on Christian free speech and activity by the IRS, and decide for yourself: Are conservative Christian ministries and churches being selectively persecuted? Is the IRS willfully violating the civil rights of Christian believers? Are Christian believers receiving the equal protection of the law? What does the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution say?
Can't happen, say ye Jackals? Remember the Indianapolis Baptist Temple. Dr. Greg Dixon is head of the Unregistered Church Association in America. There are dozens of other Churches having been/being attacked by the IRS for taking a political stand against this evil goobermint.
BTW Jackals. I've seen nothing in your posts to indicate the goobermint will ever "bother" you because YOU are NOT bothering them.
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Re: JuJu Jack Doesn't Have A Church! He Lives With His Mother. -- "Amen Corner" ..... as JuJu's "fiend" P. Crouch says, 12:26:38 08/21/02 Wed
Here is a discerning post from another board:
"so obviously, you are sticking your nose where it
does not belong which amounts to being a "busy body in
other men's matters which is contrary to scripture
Poor deluded jack-of-demons tries to take scripture
out of CONTEXT again, only so he can try to use fear
and false guilt to prevent his spirit being tested and
his begging for money being scrutinized.
1 John 4:1, Beloved do not believe every spirit,
but test the spirits whether they are of God, for many
false prophets have gone out into the world.
Ephesians 5:11, And have no fellowship with the
unfruitful works of darkness, but rather, expose
them.
jack-of-demons howell has been exposed as a clear
heretic and cultist who follows the heretical cult of
finis dake, by teaching a gross distortion of the
Nature of God and contradiction to Scripture, that God
has 3 bodies, 3 souls and 3 spirits, as well as
preaching a false gospel that adds works of
righteousness as neccessary to complete salvation.
jack-of-demons howell follows the same pattern of the
money loving false teachers of the finis dake cult and
Word of Faith cult, who lure people by making
themselves appear to the ministers of light but are
genuinely ministers of Satan, and then hitting them up
for money."
AMEN!!!!
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JuJu Jack Doesn't Have A Church! He Lives With His Mother. -- so why does he attend a 501(c)3?, 22:42:38 12/24/02 Tue
"The next major error in Tamarisk's post is his continued insistense that PFAI and Michael Kear Ministries are registered as 501(c)3 nonprofit religious organizations, which we are not, and have repeatedly stated so. Again, as I mentioned in a previous post, this is nothing more than the old tell a lie often enough and people eventually begin to believe it, even the one telling it cult tactic. As we mentioned previously, there is nothing wrong with having this registration with the IRS since it guarantees in writing that the organization is in fact, a tax exempt nonprofit religious organization and not a sham. As I mentioned previously, I did look into getting this registration from the IRS for PFAI, but was informed by the IRS that even though it is recommended, it is not necessary, and since I did not want to pay the IRS the $500.00 dollars for this registration, I opted not to go with that, as I felt the Lord's finances could go to better use. Now, the church where I hold membership is a 501(c)3 organization and has NEVER been dictated to by the IRS as Tamarisk claims would happen to such churches. It is really quite obvious that Tamarisk has never really bothered to examine what 501(c)3 is really about, nor would it serve his purpose to do so, since he has already demonstrated his anti-american, militia mentality, and has shown that he favors the overthrow of the government in the name of his counterfeit "Christianity." Rev. Jack Howell
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Dolly -- tamarisk, 11:29:19 08/21/02 Wed
This from the bottom of the page of the Independent Assemblies. org page.
"The Independent Assemblies, incorporated in 1967, is an undenominational fellowship of ministers and churches. We are Fundamental in doctrine, Pentecostal by experience and Charismatic in worship. We are dedicated to uncompromising integrity in ministry. We focus on developing and maintaining strong, Biblically sound local churches and expanding the truth of the gospel to the ends of the earth via World Missions."
The incorporation issue makes the whole statement a lie. The lies continue with the Statement of Faith link. Just Charismatic/Pentecostal doublespeak.
Notice the statement as a whole. No scriptural references. The "speaking in tongues" part to Pentecostals concerning biblical truth of 2 or 3 speaking with interpretation, will never be printed in their mission statements. A sad state of affairs and affront to Bible Believing Christians of Y'shua's Church.
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Re:Tamarisk & ACNR, & Bethany & Preludium & Saints -- Dolly Llama, 20:42:52 08/21/02 Wed
I noted that. Kind of jumps off the screen, dosn't it?
Here is the "statement of faith" (such that it is) where claims to attend:
http://www.boards.revealedtruthmin.org/
"Welcome to Friendship Baptist Church. We are a charismatic Baptist church, believing in the ministry of the Holy Spirit.
We believe that all the gifts of the Spirit found in 1 Corinthians 12, Ephesians 4, and Romans 12 are valid for today. Each believer is given gifts and callings from the Lord to glorify God and buid up the body of Christ. We encourage believers to seek the gifts and callings that the Lord has placed in his life.
We believe that salvation is a gift from God and cannot be earned or maintained by any merit on our part.
We believe in the eternal security of the believer. Once truly received, salvation cannot be lost. Salvation comes from grace only through faith only in the atoning work of Jesus at Calvary.
We believe that at salvation man's sins are not only forgiven but his spirit is made alive to God by the Holy Spirit indwelling it. Man's old nature is destroyed and he is given a new nature that desires to walk in fellowship with God. Man's flesh, his unrenewed mind and body, is still with him and must be brought under control of the Holy Spirit. This is man's responsibility and his reasonable service to God.
We believe that man is made for good works. These works are to follow his salvation and glorify God. Man does not do good works to get saved or to maintain his salvation; rather, man does good works because he is saved.
"
NOTE THE ORDER
"We worship the Lord in the following ways:
a. in song
b. in prayers
c. in testimonies and good works
d. in giving of our tithes and offerings
e. in the preaching of the Word of God"
God says I want your obedience! NOT works. Note the place God's Word has on their list. This is only the second flimsiest "statement of faith" recently viewed. It doesn't say anything. Much like the evasive tools employed by Jackals.
I note a lack of Missions too.
Re what they SHOULD indicate about MISSIONS: The church has a worldwide vision of church planting and the preaching of the Word of God. Missions is not merely another "program" the church can boast about, but missions is truly the heart and soul of the church. This will be evident in many ways: (1) the pastor’s life and emphasis will evidence his zeal for world missions; (2) the lifestyle and burden of the faithful families will evidence a zeal for world missions; they will love to support and entertain missionaries, to communicate and pray for missionaries; to visit missionaries; to dedicate their children to be missionaries; (3) a church’s missionary zeal will also be evident in the lives of the young people in that many of them will catch the vision and heart of missions and will dedicate their lives for this purpose. Churches which are truly missionary-minded produce missionaries.
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Tamarisk & ACNR, & Bethany & Preludium & Saints -- Door of the Castle Church in Wittenberg, 22:35:38 12/24/02 Tue
"dedicated to uncompromising integrity in ministry"?
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Dolly -- tamarisk, 09:08:52 12/24/02 Tue
For clarification, it doesn't really matter whether the Rt Rev's Fowler and Kear have actually paid the $500.00 to the IRS to become a Registered, 501 c 3, tax collecting agent of the goobermint. The Fowler types have tried, in the past to "clarify" the IRS code concerning what churches may and may not preach from the pulpit. The IRS has redifined the title of Minister to an RC meaning.
I discussed Fowler Bishop of Moore, OK., yesterday, to over 2.5 million people worldwide. There are a few things which mark the Fowler types, hiding behind the title of Bishop, Pastor, Baptist, etc.
1. The typical Fowler types have long perverted dispensational, doctrinal truth in THEIR teaching of the start of the Church Age. They would have you believe the Church Age started in Acts 2 at the Day of Pentecost. This goes along with Pentecostal/Charismatic teachings of salvation as evidenced by speaking in some, unknown tongue and the perversion of Acts 2:38 to equate water baptism to salvation.
The Church Age started in:
John 19:30
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.(KJV)
Tetelestai-- It is finished. What is finished? Your typical, deluded, NIV Pentecostal cannot tell you what was finished for it would deny the very heart of their perverted teachings.
1. It is finished--that is, all the types and prophecies of the Old Testament, which pointed at the sufferings of the Mechiach, were accomplished and answered. At this point, there was no prophesies in Tanakh concerning Mechiach, left unfulfilled.
2. It is finished, that is, the ceremonial law is abolished, and a period put to the obligation of it. The substance is now come, and all the shadows are done away. Just now the veil is rent,(from top to bottom signifying it was Almighty G_d Himself, doing the tearing) the wall of partition is taken down, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances
Eph 2:14-15
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
(KJV)
3. It is finished, that is, sin is finished, and an end made of transgression, by the bringing in of an everlasting righteousness. It seems to refer to Dan. 9:24. The Lamb of God was sacrificed to take away the sin of the world, and it is done, Heb. 9:26.
4. It is finished, that is, his sufferings were now finished, both those of his soul and those of his body. The storm is over, the worst is past; all his pains and agonies are at an end, and he is just going to paradise, entering upon the joy set before him. Let all that suffer for Christ, and with Christ, comfort themselves with this, that yet a little while and they also shall say, It is finished.
5. It is finished, that is, his life was now finished, he was just ready to breathe his last, and now he is no more in this world, Jn 17:11. This is like that of the Talmidim Sh'aul, 2 Tim. 4:7, I have finished my course, my race is run, my glass is out, mene, mene-- numbered and finished. This we must all come to shortly.
6. It is finished, that is, the work of man's redemption and salvation is now completed, at least the hardest part of the undertaking is over;
a full satisfaction is made to the justice of God,
a fatal blow given to the power of Satan,
a fountain of grace opened that shall ever flow,
a foundation of peace and happiness laid that shall never fail.
Christ had now gone through with his work, and finished it, Jn 17:4. For, as for God, his work is perfect; when I begin, saith he, I will also make an end. And, as in the purchase, so in the application of the redemption, he that has begun a good work will perform it; the mystery of God shall be finished.(excerpts from Matthew Henry's Commentary)
It does seem all is not finished for the Fowlers of this world. They have incorporated their churches and congregations, many supplanting Y'shua as the head of the Church by taking a 501 c 3, tax exempt number. By collecting monies from "tithes," and the usage of their Social Security Numbers, they unknowingly and unwittingly have become an agent of the goobermint of AmeriKa.
They certainly have kicked HaShem Y'shua HaMechiach, The Lord Jesus, The Messiah, out as head of the church and allowed the goobermint in.
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How The Ecumenical Crowd at PFAI & Other Third-Wavers Will Bring In The NWO -- 95 theses, 08:43:41 12/23/02 Mon
The New World Order: How Close?
Paul Cain and Rick Joyner
by Joseph Chambers (Part One)
Key Charismatics, such as Rick Joyner,(promoted by those at PFAI) Paul Cain, and others are helping to prepare for the New World Order. In this article you will hear about:
Rick Joyner and others visiting the archives of Adolf Hitler, who was supported and defended by the Catholic church.
Rick Joyner, Mahesh Chavada, Ricky Skaggs, etc. being knighted by the Knights of Malta, an ancient Catholic order.
A representative of Knights of Malta arranging a meeting for Paul Cain with Saddam Hussein inside Iraq.
Details of the meeting between Saddam and Cain.
Details manifesting that the Catholic church organizations are working close with Saddam Hussein in its drive for this One World Order.
A One World Religion, led by the Pope, being one of the greatest forces in the final inauguration of this sinister One World Government.
Apparitions of Mary and apparitions of New Wave Charismatics as the driving forces preparing peoples’ minds for this final stage of prophetic fulfillment.
It’s breathtaking to watch the Holy Scripture being perfectly fulfilled. Most Bible students have read about a coming One World Order that would be ruled over by an Antichrist figure disguised as Jesus Christ Himself. All of us must admit that reading and hearing about this is totally different than watching it begin to happen. In fact, there are a multitude of people that have heard all of this for years, but have no discernment that it is actually transpiring right under their noses. Many are even participating in its development unknown to themselves. It’s the kind of deception that Jesus and Bible writers predicted would occur.
Daniel warned of the very day when this One World Order scenario would begin to develop. He said, "And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits." (Daniel 11:32). The word flatteries, as used by Daniel, is a feminine form of deception. It suggests the use of flattery by silly, giddy persons who act in a religious spirit. If you will watch one or two episodes of Trinity Broadcast Network’s "Praise The Lord" television show or listen to the endless proclamations of Paul Cain and Rick Joyner, plus many others in this religious New Wave camp, you will have the perfect preparation to get the masses ready. Ministers by the thousands are being swept into this camp from varied backgrounds.
The basic theological positions on end time doctrines that govern this movement is either Post-Millennialism, which states that Jesus will return after one thousand years of religious peace; Dominion Theology, which states that the church is to establish the Kingdom of God on earth; or some abbreviated form of these two. These two doctrines are represented by the Catholic church and other religious groups (Post-Millennialism) and the Charismatic New Wave churches, plus the reconstructionist groups (Dominion Theology). The belief of Catholics and Charismatics in this kind of stewed interpretation has certainly laid the foundation for them to be totally deceived. Both of these doctrinal ideas despise any teaching of a pre-Tribulation Rapture or of the seven years of tribulation to follow the rapture.
The great cry of worldwide revival is intimately tied to this false concept of a New World Order. There is not a true Biblical Christian on this earth that does not want revival, but when revival is connected to Post-Millennialism or Dominion Theology, the entire idea becomes everything but truth. While every one of us are fasting and praying for revival, it must be revival tied to our hope and expectancy of the glorious Rapture of the Bride of Christ and not revival based on compromise, one world religions, or a political place in the current power struggle. It will be the uncompromising remnant that meets the King in the air.
These men that we are reporting the things documented in this article about are extremely sincere. When you see key Charismatic leaders knighted by one of the strongest of all Catholic organizations, there has to be something incredible occurring. For this to happen, connected to a visit to the archives of historic Nazism, makes the entire scenario sinister. Add to that a man that has just returned from a visit to Austria and a personal time in the presence of Kurt Waldheim, a former Nazi leader. Then add that same man arranging for a personal visit by Paul Cain to Saddam Hussein, and you are hearing earth-shaking matters. Of all the ideas, research, or documentation that I have ever shared, nothing is more breathtaking than this information. Let’s go as deep as possible into the reports of these men.
Rick Joyner Visits The Archives Of Adolf Hitler
In the tapes which I am quoting, Mr. Joyner did not share the reasons for his visit to Germany and the archives of Nazism. A book, written by Dave Hunt, entitled A Woman Rides The Beast, may help you understand the connections. Adolf Hitler was clearly supported and protected by the Catholic church. The Knights of Malta were closely connected to Hitler by virtue of the Catholic connection. Here is a bit of documentation to confirm this fact.
"The Catholic Right and the Knights of Malta, in particular Baron Franz Von Papen, played a critical role in Hitler’s assumption of power and the launching of the Third Reich’s Twentieth Century Crusade. Sovereign Military Order of Malta’s influence in Germany survived World War II intact. On November 17, 1948 the Sovereign Military Order of Malta awarded one of its highest honors, the Grand Cross of Merit, to Reinhard Gehlen, the Nazi chief of intelligence on the Soviet front. He was subsequently installed by the Americans as the first chief of West Germany’s equivalent of the CIA, the Bundesnachtrichdienst (BND: federal secret service), under West German Chancellor Adenauer, a devout Catholic who had received the Magistral Grand Cross personally from the Sovereign Military Order of Malta Grand Master Prince Chigi." (Nazis, The Vatican, And CIA, Winter 1986, Number 25, pp. 27-29.)
The Roman Catholic church as an entity has a proven record of anti-Semitism. We must not forget that there are thousands of Catholic people misled in their doctrines, but not of the nature to do the dark things against the Jews that the political organization of the Catholic church has done.
Why would Rick Joyner find such pleasure in visiting the historic sites of the Nazi Regime? First, let’s read his account of that visit and about him meeting a Knight of Malta and hearing of their interest to knight him.
"I was in Berlin with a man who is considered one of the foremost authorities on Nazi Germany, Colonel Eugene Byrd, who was the commandant of the Spandau prison, which housed all the war criminals after the war. And he’s the one who wrote the book, The Loneliest Man In The World, which was the memoirs of Rudolf Hess, who was Hitler’s number two man. And, Colonel Byrd had just taken myself and Paul Cain and a friend of ours on the most incredible tour of Berlin that day. And he had the greatest, I think, still has the greatest insight into what happened spiritually there. And, you know we went to Hitler’s bunker and we went all over the place and he just gave us a personal tour. (Joyner tells about Colonel Byrd being on Sixty Minutes.) And he gave Paul and I the same tour . . . It was one of the most fascinating days I have ever had in my life. And, uh, we were eating dinner (with Colonel Byrd), and I was saying and we’re talking all this stuff, and I said, ‘You ever heard of these Knights of Malta?’ And he said, ‘Well, I am one.’ And he pulls out his credentials. And he said, ‘You know, they still exist,’ and I knew they still existed ‘cause I had met a few around, but they are hardly known here, but they are known in Europe. And he said, ‘As matter of fact, this one knight, who is called a Knight Commander, has recommended you to be knighted and he’s looking for you now.’ I talked to him . . . They had been reading our journals and stuff like that and head of the order had been baptized in the Holy Spirit and wanted to see them become a spiritual force just like they had been a natural force . . . Colonel Byrd tells me this one guy, he was an Austrian Baron. He said, ‘He is looking for you. He’s already recommended you to be knighted.’" (Audio by Rick Joyner Ministries, no date on tape.)
This strange connection between the archives of Hitler and Nazism and the Knights of Malta, as well as the Catholic church, cannot be considered accidental. Also, the fact that Rick Joyner and Paul Cain are interested in these connection have far reaching meanings. Please note that Rick Joyner said of Colonel Eugene Byrd, a Knights of Malta member, "that he had the greatest insight into what happened spiritually there." What could he have meant by such a remark. The statement appears to have been spoken in the positive and suggests that both Joyner and Byrd saw Nazism in a spiritual light.
It’s important to inject one of the primary teachings of Paul Cain and the New Wave Charismatics. They claim to be developing and training Joel’s Army to police the unruly world in the coming Kingdom of God on earth. Joel’s Army has been described as a kind of Nazi organization that will force obedience to the worldwide religion unity soon to envelope the earth. Their doctrine of Dominion Theology clearly projects a One World Government with a One World Religion. Joel’s Army will be similar to the Crusaders who fought and conquered their way to the city of Jerusalem in the eleventh century.
The time of the Crusaders was the actual time of history when the Knights of Malta was founded. The historic and futurist connection of all of this is breathtaking. Following is an explanation of why the Knights of Malta is knighting non-Catholics and persons outside the nobility ranks of Europe.
"The Sovereign Military and Hospitaler Order of St. John of Jerusalem of Rhodes and of Malta, known also as the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, or SMOM, is juridically, politically, and historically unique in the world today.
"Representing initially the most powerful and reactionary segments of the European aristocracy, for nearly a thousand years beginning with the early crusades of the Twelfth Century, it has organized, funded, and led military operations against states and ideas deemed threatening to its power. It is probably safe to say that the several thousand Knights of the Sovereign Military of Malta, principally in Europe, North Central, and South America, comprise the largest most consistently powerful and reactionary membership of any organization in the world today.
"Although an exclusively [Roman] Catholic organization, in this century it has collaborated with, and given high awards to non-Catholic extremists in its current crusade against progressive forces in the West, the national liberation movements, and the socialist countries.
"To be a Knight, one must not only be from wealthy, aristocratic lineage, one must also have a psychological worldview which is attracted to the ‘crusader mentality’ of these ‘warrior monks.’ Participating in the the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, including its initiation ceremonies and feudal ritual dress, members embrace a certain caste/class mentality; they are sociologically and psychologically predisposed to function as the ‘shock troops’ of Catholic reaction. And this is precisely the historical role the Knights have played in the wars against Islam, against the Protestant ‘heresy,’ and against the Soviet ‘Evil Empire.’" (Nazis, The Vatican, And CIA, Winter 1986, Number 25, pp. 27-29.)
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Tamarisk, ACNR, Bethany, Preludium, St. Iguanas, 95, & The Saints -- Sola Scriptura, 08:53:56 12/23/02 Mon
"Daniel warned of the very day when this One World Order scenario would begin to develop. He said, "And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits." (Daniel 11:32). The word flatteries, as used by Daniel, is a feminine form of deception. It suggests the use of flattery by silly, giddy persons who act in a religious spirit. If you will watch one or two episodes of Trinity Broadcast Network’s "Praise The Lord" television show or listen to the endless proclamations of Paul Cain and Rick Joyner, plus many others in this religious New Wave camp, you will have the perfect preparation to get the masses ready. Ministers by the thousands are being swept into this camp from varied backgrounds."
Any "growth" as it were, experienced by heretics like Jack Howell and others at the confraternity of PFAI (besides in gurth), is part of the prophesied end-time deception.
""Representing initially the most powerful and reactionary segments of the European aristocracy, for nearly a thousand years beginning with the early crusades of the Twelfth Century, it has organized, funded, and led military operations against states and ideas deemed threatening to its power. It is probably safe to say that the several thousand Knights of the Sovereign Military of Malta, principally in Europe, North Central, and South America, comprise the largest most consistently powerful and reactionary membership of any organization in the world today."
Which brings us back to the well thought commentaries explaining the bishop-deux's Amaziah-like character and acts.
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Sola -- tamarisk, 13:00:39 12/23/02 Mon
LOL! Was just listening to the radio broadcast from Ohio. Teddy called in again. Teddy is the "token liberal" who frequents the show proclaiming himself to be a Greek scholar. Anyone else come to mind?
The scripture you use above out of Daniel is most interesting. It is the prophesy of the "little horn." There is also a great parallel to the End Times prophesy concerning the Antichrist.
In this case, Antiochus enlisted the service of apostate Jews. We read much about the mischief of these types of Fowlers in the Books of Maccabees, the treacherous men in Israel. The Fowler types do "such as do wickedly against the covenant." There are those which throw up their perverted religion, and comply with the heathen, they are corrupted with flatteries, and are hardened in their apostasy. They are the Amaziah's of today, fully intrenched in the "king's court." They are the apostate "Christians" which infest many a church today.
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Sola -- tamarisk, 06:55:26 12/23/02 Mon
Yes! The trademark of the typical Neo-Evangelical Fowler type is, they DO want it both ways. Fowler types want to reap all the "benefits" of being incorporated.
I contended with the young pastor here, three years ago, coming from Texas to start an Independent Baptist Church. He included 501 c 3 language in his Mission Statement draft. Even though he would not "pay the $500.00 to the IRS" for registration, the language is still there. This young pastor also had planted roots in the wicked Church Growth Movement. They remain one of two KJV churches in this town. However, once you consult with lawyers for legal advice(which is what the pastor contended the lawyers wanted the 501 c 3 language inserted in the Mission Statement), you have compromised. Your incorporation becomes your god. They give lip service to the Gospel, but they really preach another Gospel and another Mechiach.
The Fowlers have certainly read the IRS, 501 c 3 code pertaining to tax exempt status of churches and what they may and may not preach from the pulpit. The Rt Rev Fowler considers PFA a corporation and, thus, subject to corporate law.
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Sola, "Ed Adams" et al, Bethany -- tamarisk, 13:17:57 12/19/02 Thu
Another amuzing snippet from the Fowler channel.
WRT: "My Jewish friends, especially my Messianic Jewish friends laugh at that false statement!"
First of all, his "Messianic Jewish friends" are "birds of a feather." I have yet to see a messianic congregation that doesn't have the same false, wrong and perverted Charismatic/Third Wave Pentecostal doctrines as hisself. I have been in more that Fowler has and I have discerned to not go back again.
Neo-Evangelicals and Modern Ecumenicals like Rt Rev Fowler will not get the message because they are bought and paid for through their 501 c 3.
Fowlers Jack or Kear can call Pastor Ernie Sanders on the What's Right/What's Left radio program from 3-5pm ET, Monday-Friday at 1.888.281.1110. It won't even cost them a dime to learn the truth about the Unregistered Church in AmeriKa. A real New Testament Church.(listen at www.truthradio.com)
I doubt Fowler has the guts or courage to stomach the truth though. He proprogates the lie because it is profitable to him.
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TAMARISK!!!!! -- Oh YAH??????, 15:53:44 12/19/02 Thu
TAMARISK!!!!!!!!! Jus exactly what is your point??????
Are YOU trying to tell us that the apostle Paul was not a 501 c 3????? How do YOU KNOW this??????? YOU weren't thar, so how can YOU KNOW??????? HUH? HUH? HUH?????
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TAMARISK!!!!! -- Oh Double YAH???????, 18:02:20 12/19/02 Thu
>TAMARISK!!!!!!!!! Jus exactly what is your point??????
For YOUR information I bet apostle Paul also named his "ministry" after himself!!!!! Didn't he??? Of coarse he did. Just like some have carried on with Paul's "tradition" in the church today. Names such as this: the "Michael Kear Ministry." Kinda catchy, ain't it? Nothing like being up front about giving the glory to the one who rules their lives. If Freud was worth two plugged nickles, that would be Freudian for sure!
Been looking for the epistle where Paul names a church after himself. It's in one of the Bible translations, I jus haven't found it yet, jus gimme time. As I recall, it was right them thar in the Bible next taw the part that talks about Paul sanctioning "bishops" in the church and where Paul teaches us that women should seek official positions of teaching and be "ordained ministers" in the church as well as men. Maybe it was in Judith. Ya think, Jethro?
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Sola Power -- tamarisk, 07:58:10 12/20/02 Fri
Lettuce look at the common misinterpretion of your typical 501 c 3 church and pastor.
Rom 13:1-4
1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
(KJV)
What is at stake here. The apostle had taught us, in the preceeding chapter, not to avenge ourselves, nor to recompense evil for evil; but, lest it should seem as if this did cancel the ordinance of a civil magistrate among Christians, he takes occasion to assert the necessity of it, and of the due infliction of punishment upon evil doers, however it may look like recompensing evil for evil.
We are to overcome evil with good. Doing good to your enemy is to feed him and give him drink. Feeding and giving physical drink?? NO! Giving the enemy the spiritual truth according to the Holy Word of G_d. In, "so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head."
Isa 6:6-7
6 Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar:
7 And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged.
(KJV)
Here we have a great revelation of truth by the prophet. We all have reason to go before the Lord, in prayer, because of uncircumsized lips. G_d sends His angels to minister to those of a righteous heart and lips. The "live coal" here is not meant to hurt but to cleanse the lips, for the truth comes from purification by fire and, then, water.
Your typical Pentecostal has it backward. They believe in Baptismal Regeneration, a perversion of Acts 2:38, that the act(man's work--works done in this manner can produce good or bad results) of immersion in a baptismal tank with the evidence of speaking in unknown tongues, produces salvation. This is where the Fowler type fruits and nuts, have NOT fallen too far from the RC tree.
Back to Romans 13. Lettuce look at the word minister.
1249 diakonos (dee-ak'-on-os);
probably from an obsolete diako (to run on errands; compare 1377); an attendant, i.e. (genitive case) a waiter (at table or in other menial duties); specially, a Christian teacher and pastor (technically, a deacon or deaconess):
KJV-- deacon, minister, servant.
So, tell me Fowler Jack, does Frank Keating, George W. Bush, John Ashcroft, the many thousands of judges in the judicial branch of goobermint today, measure up to G_d's standards?
I have friends in an Ohio prison who, during their trial, the judge cleared the courtroom from all spectators and conducted the rest of the trial in secret. They got 10 years in prison for "sending forms through the mail." You only get the amount of justice you pay for. This is what you should expect when entering into the King's Court. You are in the King's Court by virtue of your selling out the the IRS through purchasing certain rights through your 501 c 3.
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Thars a Whole-Lotta Confuse-shun Goin' On Dar. Kingfish @ Dori's 'Bouts Baptisms & Roman 6:3-5 -- Sola Saffire, 22:55:41 12/19/02 Thu
Baptism and Roman 6:3-5
One of the most nagging questions in Christianity is whether or not baptism is necessary for salvation. The answer is a simple, "No." But some might ask, "If the answer is no, then why are there verses that say things like ‘. . .baptism that now saves you . . . ‘ (1 Pet. 3:21, NIV) and ‘ . . . Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins . . ." (Acts 2:38, NIV)? This is an honest question and it needs a competent answer. Unfortunately persons like “Sandy” are too doctrinally confused to broach the topic without adding to the dysfunctional exchange currently going on, and is thus contributing to the confusion at Dori’s forum. Sandy is one of many like Jack Howell who teach some variation of what is often called a JESUS-PLUS gospel.
Whether intentionally or from lack of understanding some pervert the gospel to mean; that the shed Blood of Christ was not enough by which we may be saved so they ADD some JESUS-PLUS. In Sandy’s case it’s “JESUS-PLUS: baptism” Those in Assemblies of God, for instance teach “JESUS-PLUS glossolalia”, or what is commonly called ‘tongues’ to be “saved”. Those willing to take an honest look at the doctrine of Rome will understand that it teaches “JESUS-PLUS the sacraments” is the way to salvation. Inherent in all of these aberrant teachings is the notion that fallen man can in someway enhance the completed work of the Cross. ”IT IS FINISHED!” No matter which language one uses; It says what it means and means what it says. FINIS, No mas, FINI "Está consumado!" (Portugese) - “Elvégeztetett!” (Hungarian) - Da nu Jesus havde taget Eddiken, sagde han:"Det er fuldbragt;"(Danish) - Quand Jésus eut pris le vinaigre, il dit: Tout est accompli. (Français) – OR- “etcetera, etcetera, etcetera” (Yule Brenner, 1950's playing the king of Siam - LOL)
Romans 6:3-5 is often used as a proof text for the claim that baptism is essential for salvation. It is a strong comparison between our baptism and Christ's death, burial, and resurrection. On the surface, one could conclude that from these verses, that baptism is part of salvation.
"3Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, in order that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall be also in the likeness of His resurrection,"
Is this section of scripture teaching us that baptism is necessary for salvation? No, it is not. First, we know from the rest of scripture that salvation is by faith, not by faith and something we do Rom. 3:28-30. Second, we can see from other scriptures that baptism follows faith. Take a look at Acts 16:30-33 where the Jailer specifically asks what he must do to be saved and where baptism fits in.
"and after he brought them out, he said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" 31And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you shall be saved, you and your household." 32And they spoke the word of the Lord to him together with all who were in his house. 33And he took them that very hour of the night and washed their wounds, and immediately he was baptized, he and all his household," (Acts 16:30-33, NASB).
If baptism were part of salvation, then Paul should have said, "Believe and be baptized and you will be saved." But, he did not. Also, consider Acts 10:44-46.
"While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles. For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God. Then Peter said, ‘Can anyone keep these people from being baptized with water? They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.' So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days" (NIV).
These people were saved. The gift of the Holy Spirit was on the Gentiles and they were speaking in tongues. This is significant because tongues is a gift given to believers, see 1 Cor. 14:1-5. Also, unbelievers don't praise God. They can't because praise to the true God is a deep spiritual matter that is foreign to the unsaved (1 Cor. 2:14). Therefore, the ones in Acts 10:44-46 who are speaking in tongues and praising God are definitely saved and they are saved before they are baptized. This isn't an exception. It is a reality. This proves that baptism is not necessary for salvation.
What is Romans 6:3-5 saying?
"3Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, in order that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall be also in the likeness of His resurrection,"
The phrase "baptized into" occurs five times in the NT in four verses as found in the KJV and the NASB..
Rom. 6:3, "Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?"
1 Cor. 10:2, "and all werebaptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea."
1 Cor. 12:13, "For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit."
Gal. 3:27, "For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ."
To be baptized "into Christ," "into His death," "into Moses," and "into one body" is to be publicly identified with the thing you are being baptized into. The focus is not the baptism itself, but on the thing the baptism represents. In the case of Rom. 6:3-5, being baptized into Christ is a public identification with Christ's death, burial, and resurrection which is said to be the gospel that saves in 1 Cor. 15:1-4. Baptism, then is a public statement proclaiming that the person is trusting in the sacrifice of Christ.
Baptism by immersion is a perfect symbol for this work of Christ with which the Christian is identifying himself. As Christ died and was raised to a new life, so to the Christian, in Christ, is said to have died (Rom. 6:11; Col. 3:3) and has a new life. This new life of regeneration is by faith, the internal work. Baptism, is the external work of identification with Christ. This is why the reference to baptism in the Bible is dealing more with "our union and identification with Christ than to our water baptism."
• Baptism is being identified as a disciple (Matt. 28:18-9).
• Baptism may be compared to a new birth (John 3:5).
• Baptism is compared to Jesus' death and resurrection (Rom. 6:3-5).
• Baptism is compared to Israel's Exodus and passing through the Red Sea (1 Cor. 10:2).
• Baptism is compared to Noah's escaping the flood waters by entering the ark (1 Pet. 3:21).
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In each of the references above, baptism is an identification with something. When people were baptized into John the Baptist's baptism of repentance, it wasn't the baptism that granted them repentance or made repentance real. Repentance is something that happens internally and is the work of God (2 Tim. 2:25). To participate in John's baptism was to publicly proclaim that the person being baptized was accepting John's message or repentance. Hence, it was called a baptism of repentance. It wasn't the baptism that brought repentance; rather, baptism was the result of repentance. The person had to first decide to repent, and then become baptized as a proclamation of his decision. Likewise, the Christian must first decide to repent, to receive Christ (John 1:12), to rely on the sacrifice of Christ, by faith, and then participate in the public proclamation of identifying with Christ's work.
It is an identification with the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ that baptism represents. Jesus' shed blood is what cleanses us from our sins (Heb. 9:22), not being washed with water. It is Christ's death that is the payment for sin. Jesus' burial is the proof that He, in fact, died. Jesus' resurrection is the proof of God the Father's acceptance of the sacrifice of Christ and that death is conquered. Again, for a Christian to be baptized is to make a public proclamation that he is trusting in Christ's work, that he is naming himself with Christ and trusting what Christ has done. This is why it says in Rom. 6:11, "Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus" (NASB). Why? Because "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me, and delivered Himself up for me," (Gal. 2:20). It is on the cross that Jesus paid for our sins, not in His baptism and not in our baptism. It is our identification with Him, being counted "in Christ" that allows us to say we have been crucified with Christ so that we can say we are dead to sin. We are not dead to sin by our baptism. Rather, we are dead to sin, by faith, in what Jesus did in His sacrifice.
taken from Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon, (Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.) 1995.
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Sola, "Ed Adams" et al, Bethany -- tamarisk, 13:04:02 12/19/02 Thu
Solly about not posting for a few daze. Was investigating the possibility of a facility here in Arizona to be used as a future concentration camp for locking up people not in agreement with the goobermint. The Fowler types will not have to worry. They have their blessed 501 c 3 to fall back on.
Had to laugh about the Rt Rev Fowler's comment that it just occured to him, he was giving(me) just what I wanted(his attention). That's amuzing.
And just why did Fowler set up another board to answer this one? I don't read there but, sometimes get reposts from there. I couldn't care less wheter the Fowler brothers read here, or not. The same goes for the other Kumbaya/Dorito/Pacadorian/Koffee Klatch Kristians posting at other boards.
Since I'm not to owner of this forum, I have not given out the URL to anyone. That is up to the forum administrator.
In short, no one forces the Fowler types to read here. If they have that much else to do in their world, let them do it. As far as I'm concerned, they may take a long walk off a short pier leading into Kaw Lake.
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100 Truths About Jesus -- Sola Scriptura, 23:13:54 12/18/02 Wed
100 Truths About Jesus
taken from CARM
Jesus claimed to be God - John 8:24; 8:56-59 (see Exodus 3:14); John 10:30-33
Jesus created all things - John 1:3; Col. 1:15-17
Jesus is before all things - Col. 1:17
Jesus is eternal - John 1:1,14 ; 8:58
Jesus is honored the same as the Father - John 5:23
Jesus is prayed to - Acts 7:55-60
Jesus is worshipped - Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33; John 9:35-38; Heb. 1:6
Jesus is called God - John 1:1,14; 20:28; Col. 2:9; Titus 2:13
Jesus is omnipresent - Matt. 28:20
Jesus is with us always - Matt. 28:20
Jesus is our only mediator between God and ourselves - 1 Tim. 2:5
Jesus is the guarantee of a better covenant - Heb. 7:22; 8:6
Jesus said, "I AM the Bread of Life" - John 6:35,41,48,51
Jesus said, "I AM the Door" - John 10:7,9
Jesus said, "I AM the Good Shepherd" - John 10:11,14
Jesus said, "I AM the Way the Truth and The Life" - John 14:6
Jesus said, "I AM the Light of the world" - John 8:12; 9:5; 12:46; Luke 2:32
Jesus said, "I AM the True Vine" - John 15:1,5
Jesus said, "I AM the Resurrection and the Life" - John 11:25
Jesus said, "I AM the First and the Last" - Rev. 1:17; 2:8; 22:13
Jesus always lives to make intercession for us - Heb. 7:25
Jesus cleanses from sin - 1 John 1:9
Jesus discloses Himself to us - John 14:21
Jesus draws all men to Himself - John 12:32
Jesus forgives sins - Matt. 9:1-7; Luke 5:20; 7:48
Jesus gives eternal life - John 10:28; 5:40
Jesus gives joy - John 15:11
Jesus gives peace - John 14:27
Jesus has authority - Matt. 28:18; John 5:26-27; 17:2; 3:35
Jesus judges - John 5:22,27
Jesus knows all men - John 16:30
Jesus opens the mind to understand scripture - Luke 24:45
Jesus received honor and glory from the Father - 1 Pet. 1:17
Jesus resurrects - John 5:39; 6:40,44,54; 11:25-26
Jesus reveals grace and truth - John 1:17 see John 6:45
Jesus reveals the Father - Matt. 11:27; Luke 10:22
Jesus saves forever - Matt. 18:11; John 10:28; Heb. 7:25
Jesus bears witness of Himself - John 8:18; 14:6
Jesus' works bear witness of Himself - John 5:36; 10:25
The Father bears witness of Jesus - John 5:37; 8:18; 1 John 5:9
The Holy Spirit bears witness of Jesus - John 15:26
The multitudes bear witness of Jesus - John 12:17
The Prophets bear witness of Jesus - Acts 10:43
The Scriptures bear witness of Jesus - John 5:39
The Father will honor us if we serve Jesus - John 12:26 see Col. 3:24
The Father wants us to fellowship with Jesus - 1 Cor. 1:9
The Father tells us to listen to Jesus - Luke 9:35; Matt. 17:5
The Father tells us to come to Jesus - John 6:45
The Father draws us to Jesus - John 6:44
Everyone who's heard & learned from the Father comes to Jesus - John 6:45
The Law leads us to Christ - Gal. 3:24
Jesus is the Rock - 1 Cor. 10:4
Jesus is the Savior - John 4:42; 1 John 4:14
Jesus is King - Matt. 2:1-6; Luke 23:3
In Jesus are the treasures of wisdom and knowledge - Col. 2:2-3
In Jesus we have been made complete Col. 2:10
Jesus indwells us - Col. 1:27
Jesus sanctifies - Heb. 2:11
Jesus loves - Eph. 5:25
We come to Jesus - John 5:50; 6:35,37,45,65; 7:37;
We sin against Jesus - 1 Cor. 8:12
We receive Jesus - John 1:12; Col. 2:6
Jesus makes many righteous - Rom. 5:19
Jesus is the image of the invisible God - Heb. 1:3
Jesus sends the Holy Spirit - John 15:26
Jesus abides forever - Heb. 7:24
Jesus offered up Himself - Heb. 7:27; 9:14
Jesus offered one sacrifice for sins for all time - Heb. 10:12
The Son of God has given us understanding - 1 John 5:20
Jesus is the author and perfecter of our faith - Heb. 12:2
Jesus is the Apostle and High Priest of our confession - Heb. 1:3
Jesus is preparing a place for us in heaven - John 14:1-4
Jesus cleanses us from our sins by His blood - Rev. 1:5; Rom. 5:9
Jesus is the Light of the world - Rom. 9:5
Jesus has explained the Father - John 1:18
Jesus was crucified because of weakness - 2 Cor. 13:4
Jesus has overcome the world - John 16:33
Truth is in Jesus - Eph. 4:21
The fruit of righteousness comes through Jesus Christ - Phil. 1:11
Jesus delivers us from the wrath to come - 1 Thess. 1:10
Disciples bear witness of Jesus Christ - John 15:27
Jesus died and rose again - 1 Thess. 4:14
The Christian dead have fallen asleep in Jesus - 1 Thess. 4:15
Jesus died for us - 1 Thess. 5:10
Jesus tasted death for everyone - Heb. 2:9
Jesus rendered the devil powerless - Heb. 2:14
Jesus is able to save completely - Heb. 7:25
Jesus was a ransom for many and to serve - Matt. 20:28
Jesus came to be a high priest - Heb. 2:17
Jesus came to save - John 3:17; Luke 19:10
Jesus came to preach the kingdom of God - Luke 4:43
Jesus came to bring division - Luke 12:51
Jesus came to do the will of the Father - John 6:38
Jesus came to give the Father's words - John 17:8
Jesus came to testify to the truth - John 18:37
Jesus came to die and destroy Satan's power - Heb. 2:14
Jesus came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets - Matt. 5:17
Jesus came to give life - John 10:10,28
Jesus came to taste death for everyone - Heb. 2:9
Jesus came to proclaim freedom for believers - Luke 4:18
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Is Christian Activism "Christian"? -- Sola Scriptura, 17:50:16 12/17/02 Tue
Increasing numbers of Christians are engaging in social and political "activism" for the astonishing purpose of attempting to coerce an ungodly society into adopting Christian standards of conduct. "Operation Rescue" is one example. Its founder, Randall Terry, explains that its purpose is to create social upheaval and thereby pressure government into changing the abortion laws. A typical brochure declares, "Rescues help produce the social tension necessary for political change....[W]hether for good or bad, political change comes after groups of Americans bring enough tension to the nation and pressure on politicians that the laws are changed."
No matter how commendable the goal of such tactics, there is not one example in the entire Bible of political or social "activism" ever being advocated or used by God's people. That fact must weigh heavily upon any consideration of this important topic. There are numerous cases of civil disobedience in Scripture, but it was never engaged in for the purpose of forcing an ungodly society to obey Biblical principles. The Hebrew midwives, for example, disobeyed Pharaoh's edict and spared the lives of the male babies, even lying to cover up their "rescue operation." God was so pleased with their obedience to Him that their names, Shiphrah and Puah, have been preserved for us (Exodus 1:15-22). This was, however, a matter of individual conscience before God, not an organized attempt to pressure the pagan Egyptians by mass demonstrations into adopting Israel's God-given morals.
The same is true of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego's refusal to obey the king's command to bow to an idol, and of Daniel's defiance of the royal decree against prayer. Though boldly witnessing for God even to kings, Daniel never used his high government position to attempt to pressure a pagan society into practicing a godly way of life. Nor did Joseph or Esther pressure the pagan societies, in which they held high positions, to adopt Biblical morals. So it was with Ezra and Nehemiah. They used their influence with kings to obtain permission to rebuild Jerusalem and the temple, but made no attempt to change the practices of those societies though they practiced abortion, homosexuality, and other evils.
Biblical Examples?
There are no Biblical examples to support today's "Christian activism." Christ "suffered for us, leaving us an example that we should follow his steps." He sternly and repeatedly rebuked Israel's false religious leaders, yet He never spoke out—not even once—against the injustices of Roman civil authority! Nor did He advocate, organize, or engage in any public protests to pressure Rome into changing its corrupt system, or the society of His day its evil ways. He submitted to unjust authorities as Romans 13 tells us we should do today: "Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously" (1 Peter 2:21-25). No "activism" here! So it was with the apostles and the early church.
Yes, Paul told the centurion, who was about to have him unlawfully scourged, that he was a Roman citizen; and he told the local officials at Philippi to come and apologize for beating him and Silas without trial. That was not, however, political/social "activism." He was not attempting thereby to change society; he was simply standing up for his personal rights under the law—as we should do, which includes voting.
Paul was determined to obey God rather than men and never held back from preaching the gospel, though it meant his life. If "Christian activism" is God's will, Paul would have been the first to pursue it fearlessly at whatever cost.
Scripture, then, from Genesis to Revelation, offers neither example nor doctrinal teaching to support the idea that Christians ought to engage in political/social activism, lobbying, takeover methods of Coalition on Revival—or that Christians in public office could or should influence society to adopt Biblical standards of conduct. Don't forget, any change would have to be effected through a corrupt political system involving an ungodly majority above and below. Romans 13 tells us to obey rulers, and 1 Timothy 2 to pray for them—not to attempt to change them by coercion. It is not only foolish but counterproductive to attempt to persuade the unsaved to live like Christians. They can't do it—and if they could it would only blind them the more to their sin and need of a Savior.
Acts 19:23-41 tells how a large group of citizens in Ephesus staged a huge "demonstration" against Paul and the gospel he preached. A crowd of probably several thousand persons tore their clothes, threw dust in the air and for two hours vociferously chanted their praise to the locally manufactured god that was their chief source of income."Great is Diana of the Ephesians!" they cried. Should Paul have gathered a larger crowd of Christians to cry out yet more loudly and longer and thereby impose their will upon the local authorities? Of course not! Such un-Christian conduct is demeaning of our Lord and His gospel and would have been unthinkable for the early church. Yet that is basically what "Christian activism" involves today—the well-meaning but foolish attempt to force "Christian principles" upon a godless society through more effective lobbying, larger demonstrations and greater "social upheaval" than the homosexuals, abortionists or pornographers can produce.
Won to Christ—Living for Christ
Rather than to pressure the ungodly to live like saints, we must win them to Christ that they might live wholly for God. Our personal lives must be lived in obedience to God's laws even if that brings us into conflict with civil laws. In addition to avoiding idolatry and immorality, Christians must preach the gospel to everyone everywhere, regardless of government edicts to the contrary. In so doing, the apostles made that historic declaration: "We ought to obey God rather than men" (Acts 5:29)! Their example has been followed by Christians down through the centuries, from the martyrs under pagan Rome and its successor, Roman Catholicism, to those who smuggle Bibles into Islamic or communist lands today.
Though forbidden by the authorities, the apostles persisted in preaching the gospel. Like their Lord, however, they made no attempt to lobby in Rome for an end to prostitution and abortions; nor did they stage public demonstrations for a change in unjust laws. There is a danger of being so caught up in the social aspect of good causes that one forgets and neglects the chief Christian calling. The Great Commission does not involve exerting a Christian influence upon society. We are not to "change society," but to "convert individuals." There is much talk today about "changing the world for Christ." In fact there is no Biblical teaching or example to support that popular slogan. Rather than persuading sinners to live like saints, we must call them to heavenly citizenship through "repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ" (Acts 20:21).
But aren't we supposed to be "salt and light" in the world (Matthew 5:13-16)? Yes, Christ said so. To understand what he meant, we must look to Him as our perfect example. Jesus, "the light of the world," never advocated or tried to effect social/political change. His light reveals sin and leads men to salvation, fitting them for heaven (Ephesians 5:8-13). Salt purifies the wound that light reveals and reproves.
Significant changes in society have been effected by preaching and example. Nevertheless, the abolition of slavery, the enactment of child labor laws and greater rights for women, while they are improvements to be thankful for, have not made society any more godly. Nor is it any more likely under these better conditions that a higher percentage of mankind will end up in heaven than before. While such changes are worth working for, many who call themselves Christians have become so absorbed in good causes that they have lost their fervor for saving souls. They have ended up joining forces with non-Christians who also espouse "traditional values," and in promoting a compromised "social gospel" that cannot save.
What Should We Do Then?
Yet the good that social/political activism often produces is a strong motivation for engaging in it. Many Christians were involved in the civil rights movement that finally ended segregation. Surely it is not wrong for Christians to engage in such activities! Certainly the innocent babies who are being murdered in abortion clinics, just as the Jews were in Nazi extermination camps, ought to be rescued! Should Christians do nothing? Is there no basis in Scripture for helping those who are downtrodden?
Yes, the Bible warns us, "If thou forbear to deliver them that are drawn unto death, and those that are ready to be slain; if thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not; doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it? and he that keepeth thy soul, doth not he know it? and shall not he render to every man according to his works?" (Proverbs 24:11-12). The parable of the Good Samaritan, too, tells us that we ought to care for all those who are in need of help, even as Christ commands: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you (Matthew 7:12). These principles come under God's law written in the consciences of all mankind: "Love your neighbor as yourself."
We ought to do all we can to rescue babies who are being aborted, just as we would seek to rescue anyone in danger. The Bible doesn't tell us what individual saints may have done in this regard because it is not specifically a Christian task nor is it something which has been assigned to the church, but is the responsibility of every person. Moreover, "Rescues" should be engaged in to save lives—not for the purpose of creating "social upheaval" to coerce an evil society into adopting Biblical standards.
When Gorbachev granted freedom of worship and preaching in the Soviet Union comparable to what we have enjoyed in the West, what were his motives? Like Constantine in ancient Rome, he found this necessary for the good of the Empire—and may have even thought that freedom would destroy the church even more effectively than oppression. Indeed, such has been the case. Sadly, many Soviet Christians who have managed to bring their families out to the West and have initially thanked God for liberty, have lost their children to drugs, free sex, pride, lust, and worldliness—evils that seem to be a greater hazard for believers in the West's "freedom" than under communist oppression.
The True Scale of the Rescue Operation
Today's "Christian activism" is far too narrow and selective. It addresses certain issues but ignores many others of equal or greater importance. We must not only rescue the unborn, but the children in public schools who are being perverted through the teaching of immorality, witchcraft, and occultism. We must identify psychology as the major vehicle of so much of this evil, and root it out of our churches, seminaries and universities.
We must denounce sin, call for national repentance, and preach the gospel in convicting power. Christians must call for repentance not only for homosexuality, child abuse, pornography and abortion, but for more subtle forms of rebellion against God and rejection of Christ. The church must be indicted not only for its lack of social concern, but for its heresies and failure to preach the truth. We must denounce the destructive false teachings that abound. It is hypocritical for the church to protest the world's sins while tolerating within itself and honoring those who preach a false gospel and are the enemies of the cross of Christ.
Instead of protests we need prophets who call the world to repentance: Enochs who walk with God and warn of judgment (Genesis 5:22-24, Jude 14-15); Noahs, "preachers of righteousness" (2 Peter 2:5), who warn of judgment to come and invite sinners into an ark of safety. What if, instead of building the ark, Noah had tried to reform society! We need Daniels: "Mene, mene, tekel upharsin"—the handwriting is on the wall, America! You've been weighed in the balance and found wanting! Murdered babies, the abomination of homosexuality, and society's flippant, deliberate rebellion against God have aroused His anger beyond any possibility of reprieve! We need Isaiahs and Jeremiahs, who had never heard of making a "positive confession" or of the "power of positive or possibility thinking," but preached truth!
"Christian activism" is not Christian. It represents a detour from the straight path the church is to walk before the world. It can confuse the real issues, lead to compromise and unholy alliances, and divert time and effort that would better be used in proclaiming the gospel. Weigh the demands upon your time and set priorities. Be fully engaged in rescuing souls for eternity.
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The Amaziah-ite Brace of Bishops From Moore -- Sola Scriptura, 20:21:31 12/07/02 Sat
Re: The Brace of Churchless “Bishop’s” mindless remarks. Are you not a brace of rebels, the offspring of liars? This describes the pair of you and your baseless attack and slander of Tamarisk. You each feed off of one another’s corrupt tongue. Great pretenders to sanctity are commonly the worst enemies to those who are really sanctified and have their names written in the Lamb’s Book. Their comments (below) were quite in-excusable.
Proverbs 17:4: A wicked man listens to evil lips; a liar pays attention to a malicious tongue.
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Tamarisk states: ”I was asked to give a message this weekend north of here to a group of militia and common law people. My scripture reference for this message is out of Amos 7:13. We shall see if I ever get asked back. lol!!! ;)”
AMOS 7:13
"But (1) no longer prophesy at Bethel, for it is a (2) sanctuary of the king and a royal residence."
cross-references follow below - Amos 2:12; Acts 4:18; 1 Kin 12:29, 32; Amos 7:9
~~~ What is the meaning of the above passage? – God was contending with Israel, by various judgments. Israel is reprieved, and the judgments were turned away by the PRAYER of Amos, (v. 1-6. 2.) God's patience is worn out by Israel’s obstinacy, and they are rejected, and finally sentenced to utter ruin. Amaziah, the royal chaplain of the king accused Amos of conspiracy against the king. (vv. 10-11), of being a “visionary” of being a foreign intruder (v. 12), and of trespassing on the sacred precincts of Bethel (v.13). Amaziah speaks against Amos (v. 10, 11) and does what he can to rid the country of him as a public nuisance, (v. 12, 13.) AMAZIAH TWISTED THE PROPHECY OF AMOS IN ORDER TO EVOKE A MORE VIOLENT REACTION FROM JEROBOAM.
Malicious information was brought to the king against the prophet Amos, v. 10, 11. The informer was Amaziah the priest of Bethel, the chief of the priests that ministered to the golden calf. (READ: THE SELF-APPOINTED, FAKE BISHOPS OF AMOS’ TIME)
The ungodly complained against Amos (READ TAMARISK), not only because he prophesied without license from him, but because he prophesied against his altars, which would soon be deserted and demolished if Amos's preaching could gain credit.
The shrine-makers at Ephesus hated Paul, because his preaching tended to spoil their trade. The bankrupt bishops and Great Pretenders to sanctity in our time are commonly the worst enemies to those who are really sanctified. Bishop-type priests had been the most bitter persecutors of Amos. Amaziah brings false information to Jeroboam. “Bishops-Deux,” Kear and Howellings bring false witness against Tamarisk for exposing their un-Biblical teachings and WOF heresy. Their false witness follows along with the obvious fact that they don’t understand the passage in Amos in CONTEXT.
It is no new thing for the accusers of the brethren to misrepresent them as enemies to the king and kingdom, as traitors to their prince and troublers of the land, when really they are the best friends to both. And it is common for designing men to assert that as the sense of the country which is far from being so.
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Again, Tamarisk's quote was; (in post below) ”I was asked to give a message this weekend north of here to a group of militia and common law people. My scripture reference for this message is out of Amos 7:13. We shall see if I ever get asked back. lol!!! ;)”
Clearly he is NOT A MEMBER of this group. Tamarisk has NOT stated that he is in agreement with this group, he has stated the OPPOSITE. He will be preaching a message against them as Amos did and that he 'DOES NOT EXPECT TO BE INVITED BACK'!
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Lets look at the methodology of Bankrupt Bishops From Moore and how they basically mimicked Amaziah’s malice and bankruptcy of character to suit their needs. How they twisted those two simple and unambiguous sentences of Tamarisk’s, to conform to their template of character assignation of those who would eschew their false teachings.
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FROM MIKE KEAR: ” Tamarisk, the "militia" connection... I have to admit I wondered why this "tamarisk", who has never had the courage to speak to me or use his real name, would attack Christians so vehemently on his board. Well, I paid a visit there today and found that he is one of those anti-American "militia" types. He will be addressing a sleeper cell of them this weekend. I quote Mr. Tamarisk: "I was asked to give a message this weekend north of here to a group of militia and common law people." No wonder he hates Christians, especially Bible-believing Christians! He is of the same ilk as Timothy McVeigh and David Koresh! I would like to see him come to Oklahoma and visit the bombing memorial where children were murdered for the "militia" cause. I imagine that he admires such stands for "truth" as Mr. McVeigh and Mr. Koresh made.
The scary part of this is that he has chosen to attack Rev. Jack Howell and myself personally. Now that we know what kind of ideology he espouses, it sends chills down my spine to know what he is possibly capable of doing, not only in cyber space, but also in the real world.
He has already demonstrated that he is "Baptist in Name Only", denying the basic tenents of the faith. From the general tenor of his rantings and raving on his website, he appears to be one of those legalistic "sacred names" cultists. He has shown himself willing to repeatedly lie about me (apparently the commandment about lying doesn't apply to Mr. Tamarisk). He obviously has no integrity whatsoever. He may have a limited knowledge of the Scriptures, but he has shown that he is unwilling to OBEY them! Let's just pray he doesn't decide to go on a shooting rampage in the name of his god. He seems to have a real problem with Jesus Christ and the United States of America while hanging out with militia cell groups. That's a recipe for disaster.
I think that we as Bible-believing Christians need to begin lifting Mr. Tamarisk up in prayer NOW. First, that he might turn to the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved. Second, that God will restrain him from doing anything violent against Christians or the United States government.
A Servant of Jesus,
Dr, Mike "
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FROM JACK HOWELL: ” Re: Tamarisk, the "militia" connection...
I had long suspected he had such ties to those anti-American militia groups, and even questioned him about it before that board went on password mode for posting, and he denied such ties. His post reveals that he lied about it then when I questioned him about it. (More of that heavenly deception being practiced, no doubt!) The way he talks about America, one would get the idea that he does not believe Paul who wrote under inspiration of the Holy Ghost to obey the laws of the land and to pray for our leaders. I, for one think the law enforcement authorities need to keep him under surveilance if they aren't already doing so.
I also agree completely that we need to pray for this deluded, deceived soul, that he would come to know the REAL Jesus and not the spiritual counterfeit his cult has him following. I also agree that we should pray that God restrains him from doing any harm to any one. His decision to attack Dr. Mike and myself, without knowing one iota about us, reveals his hatred for ministers of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and Christians in general.
Rev. Jack Howell”
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What enemies are foolish men to themselves, to their own peace, to their best friends! A wolf and a hireling laying in wait to slander like Amaziah did to Amos. The methods used against Amos were threats of being imprisoned, banished, or put to death, or at least to have him frightened into silence or flight, he tried every way he could to get rid of him; he even insinuated himself into his acquaintance, and with all the arts of deception.
Amos is too plain and blunt a preacher for the court and the king's chapel. He did not use appellations such as “REVEREND” “BISHOP” or “ANOINTED” Amos did not parade in silks and purple robes to gain favor. Amaziah, as a priest, aimed at nothing but the profits of his position. He was the “DR.” and “Bishop” of his day. Tamarisk like Amos, did not consult with flesh and blood, nor was it his care to enrich himself, but to make full proof of his ministry, and to be found faithful in the discharge of it, not to sleep in a whole skin, or a flowing bishop's "robe" but to keep a good conscience; and therefore he resolved to abide by his post.
The “doctor” and “bishop” would clearly convicted by the passage Tamarisk cited, IF THEY UNDERSTOOD IT.....AND their plodding feet were'nt in such a large a rush to evil. They don't understand their foolishness, Here is why:
John 8:44
"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies."
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Amos 2
12 "But you made the Nazirites drink wine,
And you commanded the prophets saying, 'You shall not prophesy!' NASB
Amos 7
9 "The high places of Isaac will be desolated
And the sanctuaries of Israel laid waste.
Then I will rise up against the house of Jeroboam with the sword." NIV
Acts 4
18 And when they had summoned them, they commanded them not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus. NIV
1 Kings 12
29 He set one in Bethel, and the other he put in Dan.
32 Jeroboam instituted a feast in the eighth month on the fifteenth day of the month, like the feast which is in Judah, and he went up to the altar; thus he did in Bethel, sacrificing to the calves which he had made. And he stationed in Bethel the priests of the high places which he had made. NIV
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The Un-Altered Original Post - YOU DECIDE IF THE "BISHOPS" ARE MORALLY CORRUPT -- Sola Scriptura, 23:06:12 12/07/02 Sat
Discerning and reasoned persons don't need much additional supplemental commentary to accompany Tamarisk's original post which stands mightly alone. It is re-posted below in its Pre-Kear un-mutilated form. Before it took on another life. The post that two pretenders to sanctity did an ungodly hatchet job on and took completely out of context and embellished beyond all honor and recognition to the original intent, to suit their own debauchery. The complete intellectual bankruptcy and moral vacancy of they who could, with Amaziah-like malice destroy the original intent of so gracious a message of a man who “offered encouragement to an un-employed man,” claimed that ” David was a man after G_d's own heart. David waited patiently after the kingdom was wrent from Saul, for G_d's timing and His Will. David had many opportunities to destroy Saul, yet David could not raise his hand against G_d's anointed. He patiently waited on G_d.” -Tamarisk comments graciously; ” I have great joy in my heart just to hear the voice of my dear Brother in the Lord.” and, ” Pastor Lenz has been preaching and teaching the Holy Word of G_d for almost 60 years. There is probably not a man anywhere whom I love more than he. I've seen the man shed tears of joy while preaching a great truth at both Faith Baptist Church “
How two pretenders to the cloth can so wrest this message from its intended meaning to say instead that Tamarisk “hates Christians, especially Bible-Believing ones” is another “David Koresh” and is a “dangerous” hater of Jesus and an enemy/hater of America is really so debauched it defies sanity.
HERE IS THE UN-ALTERED POST THAT UNLEASHED TWO VERY TWISTED MEN’S REMARKS…..YOU DECIDE WHO IS RIGHT.
Subject: Dolly
Author:
tamarisk
Date Posted: 14:25:27 12/06/02 Fri
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Yule like this one. Just got off the phone while chatting with a pastor friend of mine, back in Ohio, while he was doing a worldwide radio broadcast.
There was a man I know named Al, in a similar job situation as myself, looking for work. I was able to offer words of encouragement in his job search. I just finished up 1 Samuel and started 2 Samuel in my nightly bible study group. My message to Al, is to be like David. David was a man after G_d's own heart. David waited patiently after the kingdom was wrent from Saul, for G_d's timing and His Will. David had many opportunities to destroy Saul, yet David could not raise his hand against G_d's anointed. He patiently waited on G_d.
Pastor Lenz has been preaching and teaching the Holy Word of G_d for almost 60 years. There is probably not a man anywhere whom I love more than he. I've seen the man shed tears of joy while preaching a great truth at both Faith Baptist Church and Baptist Bible Institute. The man has licensed/ordained many men who have gone on to pastor their own congregations, to the mission field, etc. I have great joy in my heart just to hear the voice of my dear Brother in the Lord.
In the minutes we chatted, I remarked about the Rt Rev Fowler types, those claiming to be Independent Baptists yet lost in foul odor of the Word of Faith Movement. Fowler's type of "Baptists," those who commit spiritual rape upon the Holy Word of G_d, have their day coming.
I was asked to give a message this weekend north of here to a group of militia and common law people. My scripture reference for this message is out of Amos 7:13. We shall see if I ever get asked back. lol!!! ;)
Nice try bishops. No cee-gar.
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Re: The Amaziah-ite Brace of Bishops From Moore -- tamarisk, 08:02:33 12/09/02 Mon
Moore of less. ;)
Having attended militia and common law meetings in the past, I never considered myself a "member." Do I believe I am a "Freeman Sovereign?" Most assuredly YES! But NOT because some group of men say so. I believe that comes from G_d, Alone.
Rt Rev Fowler and Kear cannot preach a message of freedom because they are tethered to the goobermint and the IRS through their 501 c 3. They cannot preach a message of Salvation by Grace Alone, THROUGH Faith Alone........ There are "conditions" attached to their "brand" of Salvation.
Rt Rev's response only proves him to be "dumbed down." A RIM(reality impaired media) and RIP (reality impared politician) adherent.
As I mentioned on the radio Friday, the great difference between the majority believing in Christian Liberty and Freedom, and the bound and gaged Fowler types is, we are not fearful of going to prison, or even, being killed because of our beliefs that we have only one King, Y'shua.
It's all "smoke and mirrows" with Fowler and Kear. Fowler has never answered the original questions concerning "his" testimony. Fowler doesn't know what it is like to NOT compromise pure doctrinal teachings, in the workplace and being persecuted for the truth.
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Re: The Amaziah-ite Brace of Bishops From Moore -- LOL!, 19:18:37 12/10/02 Tue
Seems we struck a raw nerve with the Pharisee gang.
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The Amaziah-ite Brace of Bishops From Moore -- -, 17:21:58 12/17/02 Tue
The ungodly complained against Amos not only because he prophesied without license from him, but because he prophesied against his altars, which would soon be deserted and demolished if Amos's preaching could gain credit. In the same way we preach against the false teachings of the Ken Copelands of this world that are recommended at fine teachers by Mike Kear.
The shrine-makers at Ephesus hated Paul, because his preaching tended to spoil their trade. The bankrupt bishops and Great Pretenders to sanctity in our time are commonly the worst enemies to those who are really sanctified. The bishop-type priests that were connected to the King had been the most bitter persecutors of Amos. Amaziah brings false information to Jeroboam, the King. “Bishops-Deux,” Kear and Howellings bring false witness against against all for exposing their un-Biblical teachings and WOF heresy. Their false witness follows along with the obvious fact that they don’t understand the passage in Amos in CONTEXT which Tamarisk preached and how it would have been offensive to the group he fearlessly addressed. The time records on their posts showed that while Tamarisk was preaching Amos 7:13 and tweaking their ears, the Churchless Bishops-Deux were gossiping up a storm playing internet whores on The Lords Day. Maybe they were washing their flowing purple garments. Velvet can be tricky to wash at home and dry cleaning is recommended. Think of how long it must take for Jack to untangle all the gold bride. LOL!
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Kear's Oily Mouth Cuts & Runs Like a Bat From His Home Town When Called to Accountability -- Sola Scriptura, 22:07:41 12/10/02 Tue
Kear's Oily Mouth Cuts & Runs Like a Bat From His Home Town When Called to Accountability and PROOF of His Careless Remarks.
Now, …..Some would call THAT behavior pusillanimous. I just observe him to be un-Godly.
This seems to be the spineless modus operandi of the insurgent oily mouthed man from Moore who fancies himself anointed and claims to be doing The Lord’s Will, but Kear can’t support one word of any of his prevaricating libel from Hell.
As was stated previously, shrill provocateurs such as Mike Kear, and Jack Howellings quickly loose their infatuation with their fugitive assaults and drop them the moment they are called to account. They are like a pair of randy alley cats servicing the neighbor hood. I have been called (by these fine gentlemen) a NAMBLA member, that is: "North American Man-Boy Love Association", with no proof from these fine bishops and no apologies when it was learned I was a woman! It was just another day. When the fleeting bloom from that rape encounter wore off for them and they got another sniff of the night air; out re-appeared the NAZI-CARD and I became a “Nazi.” I was dragged through the streets of multi sites and introduced by the alley cats as a NAZI using their famous tactic of argumentum ad hominem. To those doing the raping, condoms, along with supporting facts are purely at the discretion of the attacker. So in the case of alley cats claiming to be bishop studs, facts are just a nuisance.
When the slimy Nazi-Card was handily shot through of holes with pages of recent archives where I vociferously supported Israel, and exposed Islam. I then was called some other provocative lie. In their less fertile stagnant moments, some alley-cat bishops like to re-group so they re-join the scene of some of their previous prevarications and call me a “NAZI” again, which has been a recurring theme for those who can't stand in the arena of civil discourse. Since I don’t have a wife, I can’t be asked when I stopped beating her.
When they called Tamarisk a NAZI and it was pointed out to these knuckle-dragging bishops that Tamarisk is Jewish, he was re-assigned a new label: "Neo-Nazi!" Jack in one desperate moment for some traction even insisted I was a man. When called to support any of their vacant attacks they would cut and run or change the slur de jour. Now the recent blue plate defamation without Proof is the absurd suggestion that I enjoy watching babies being killed. When asked for that to be supported, now I am called a Satanist and a “coven” participant. These people are without any moral compass.
The tainted, I mean. “anointed” bishop Kear has a history of cut and run maneuvers, too. When he is called to account for his claims about others or why he promotes those that espouse doctrines of demons such as Ken Copeland he hits the tall grass. Just recently this forum noted that Mike Kear claimed on his site that Ken Copeland, is has one of his "FAVORITE websites" to which Mike provided a link. We maintain Copeland teaches unbiblical teachings, we stated unambiguously WHY Copeland is considered to be a heretic in orthodox Biblical Christendom. Rather than stand up and defend his “favorite” website, the tainted, oily-mouthed bishop “pusillanimously” simply deleted the link to Copeland’s page within 24 hours after being exposed rather than backing up his position. The good bishop does not appear to be fond of the Light, or of having to “service” any accountability for his words/actions to anyone besides his own sizable belly. Such is the style of an unaccountable churchless bishop.
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Kear's Oily Mouth Cuts & Runs Like a Bat From His Home Town When Called to Accountability -- Sola, 23:27:49 12/10/02 Tue
“Ah yes,” as the late Peter Sellers used to say; One of the opening salvos lobbed at me and targeted right for my proboscis by the oh-so-perceptive and gracious Dr. Kear was that based on my posts he thought I was “Illiterate.” Thank you, Doc. You are right. Shhhhh!
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Fidelity, Accountability, Constancy, Steadfastness, Kear - Which Word Doesn't Fit? -- Sola Scriptura, 18:29:49 12/12/02 Thu
There are godly Pentecostal preachers like Dr. Joseph Chambers of Charlotte, North Carolina, who have taken a strong stand against the insanity of the Dake Bible. I have much respect for Dr. Chambers, though I reject his Pentecostal theology. His congregation lost properties valued at $3 million because they took a stand against unscriptural things in their own denomination, the Church of God (Cleveland, Tennessee), and that denomination took the property from them in a court of law. Though I respect such a stand for truth as they understand it, I believe that the latter rain Pentecostal doctrine and the false teaching about continuing sign gifts is the foundational error which has resulted in the lunacy we will continue to expose along with pretender bishops like Jack Howell, the rogue bedroom bishop of Moore. Along with the hireling who "ordained" him, Mike Kear. Such comes as no surprise since Kear is a Ken Copeland advance man and champions several other well known raving heretics as:
QUOTED FROM MIKE KEAR:
”Kenneth Copeland Ministries
One of the best resources on the web. You can be enriched in the study area or you can watch videos or listen to teaching on line.”
Kenneth Hagin Ministries
One of my favorite places around (in cyberspace or in real life!)
E.W. Kenyon
Faith building books and tapes.
Charles Capps Ministries
Good books and tapes from an Elder Statesman of the "Faith Camp." The simplicity of illustration and depth of truth in Bro. Capps' teaching is invaluable.
All that’s missing are Robert Tilton, John Avanzini, Benny Hinn and Marilyn Hickey!
......NOTE: The Oily Mouthed Cut-&-Run, Kear, dumped everyone of his formally “best resources on the web,” “INVALUABLE teachings,” his formally "FAVORITE" teachers and all references to their sites within 24-hours of having it called to public attention and critiqued on this forum. Here’s something to ponder: Wouldn’t everyone like that kind of stalwart person for a solid, loyal, personal “best friend”? Someone who would stand with you and by your side in good times and bad? The above websites and the attending comments were direct cut and paste quotes from the great pretender to sanctity's “ministry” site.
It is common for designing men and pretenders to sanctity to assert one position one moment, only to change it when called for an accounting of their words, THEN when the wind from the prince of the air blows in the opposite direction, they do a hasty reversal of position. Mike Kear; the consummate disingenuous politician - Head-to-head Cheshire cat grins with photos of Kear and Keating - Amaziah and the king.
That is why such men who claim to be “anointed” would name their ministry after the authority in their life that anointed them; someone who would stand by them through thick and thin (figuratively speaking of course – LOL!) their own personal god:
"Michael Kear Ministries’"
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Dr. Mike Paints A Picture of Moral Carelessness in His Selection of Speech -- Sola Scriptura, 19:57:57 12/10/02 Tue
Dr. Mike Paints A Picture of Moral Carelessness in His Selection of Speech
Dr. Mike, save your supercilious alms before men in my behalf. Your mouth is dirty and defiled. With your mouth you cast lies about women who were made in the image of God; using gutter argumentum ad hominem tactics calling women you know nothing about “murderers” and maintaining without any attempt at factual support, that I “glorify child killing.” Your course also is evil and your might is not right.
And Jesus said to them, "Watch out and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees." Then they understood that He did not say to beware of the leaven of bread, but of the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees. And those who claim to be anointed, those who act like Amaziah and are more fond of their “title” than doing what is right before a Holy and righteous God who sees your dirty ad hominem attacks and created those you assail with unrighteous judgment. And slander with comments that have no basis in truth. Why doesn’t the good bishops-deux ever tag these claims with supporting facts? Noticeably absent from all your posts are any collaborating proof.
“Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough?”
Your fellow “anointed bishop” who is like an oven heated by the baker, never ceases to stir up the fire of strife and is forever showing his fruit by the kneading of the dough until it is over-leavened. This is the same oily mouthed “anointed” man of “God” who was making the internet forum rounds telling people I was a male pedophile that molested little boys. He claimed I was a member of NAMBLA. For weeks this slander was waged against me with no effort to support it and it did not end until he learned that I was a woman. You folks are anointed alright. By the prince of the power of the air and your fruit keeps his flies constantly nourished. Jack and Kear who’s feet (as shown in their following post) which are quick to run to sin, will just invented some other argumentum ad hominem after their calling me a murderer, militia member-sympathizer looses it’s charm. The reason for their behavior is the prince of the power of the air, is the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.
The Real Dr. Mike Kear: ” Says tamarisk: "McVeigh was not the monster he was made out to be." (context which was deleted by the good Dr is available on this page) “Spoken like a true neo-nazi who has obviously never been to the bombing sight in Oklahoma City where McVeigh murdered children in the name of the militia cause. Tamarisk, Sola, and their ilk can glorify their child killing hero all day long, but the Bible says it is wrong. It grieves my heart to think that there are people out there who are enjoying the fruits of living in America while at the same time thinking that it is fine and dandy to murder innocent people in the name of their hatred for America. It grieves me even more that these people think they are Christians. Hatred, racism and murder are not Christian virtues. Methinks that tamarisk's hatred of Okahoma Governor Frank Keating is not so much based on Keating's faith, but rather on the fact that Governor Keating was a beacon of freedom and bravery during the time that tamarisk's pusillanimous terrorist buddies were rejoicing over the bodies of dead children. (the REAL PUSILLANIMOUS issue here is the gleeful character assassination and un-Godly hatchet job that the gracious and light filled good doctor is doing to innocent persons on this board by making off the wall, unsubstantiated remarks as those in the above paragraph. BEYOND ALL CLAIMS TO MORAL ACCOUNTABILITY TO A HIGHER POWER!
“Jesus in His Word tells me to bless those who curse me. We have been cursed repeatedly on the Militia Board for our stand for Christ, for justice and freedom. Now I want to bless tamarisk, sola, and all their cell members. May the Lord bless you. May you find peace in your hearts. May the wisdom of the Holy Spirit enlighten your hearts in the love of God. A Servant of Jesus,
Dr. Mike”
For additional character/credibility of Dr. Mike, Remember this is the same man who endorses Ken Copeland’s website and his teachings. Ken Copeland made the following publicly documented quotes:
Copeland: "Pray to yourself, because I'm in your self and you're in My self. We are one Spirit, saith the Lord." (Kenneth Copeland, "Believer's Voice of Victory", Feb. 1987, p.9)
Copeland: "I say this with all respect so that it don't upset you too bad, but I say it anyway. When I read in the Bible where he [Jesus] says, 'I Am,' I just smile and say, 'Yes, I Am, too!'" (Kenneth Copeland, "Believer's Voice of Victory" broadcast on
TBN, recorded 7/9/87)
Copeland: "God is the biggest failure in the Bible...the reason you've never thought that is because He never said He was one".(Kenneth Copeland, "Praise-a-thon", broadcast on TBN, recorded 1988)
2 Peter 2
Destructive Doctrines such as those taught and promoted by some at PFAI
False Teaching and False Teachers
1” But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does[1] not slumber.”
Doom of False Teachers
”4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 6and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly; 7and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked 8(for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds)-- 9then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment, 10and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise authority. They are presumptuous, self-willed. They are not afraid to speak evil of dignitaries, 11whereas angels, who are greater in power and might, do not bring a reviling accusation against them before the Lord.”
Depravity of False Teachers
12” But these, like natural brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed, speak evil of the things they do not understand, and will utterly perish in their own corruption, 13and will receive the wages of unrighteousness, as those who count it pleasure to carouse in the daytime. They are spots and blemishes, carousing in their own deceptions while they feast with you, 14having eyes full of adultery and that cannot cease from sin, enticing unstable souls. They have a heart trained in covetous practices, and are accursed children. 15They have forsaken the right way and gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; 16but he was rebuked for his iniquity: a dumb donkey speaking with a man's voice restrained the madness of the prophet.
17These are wells without water, clouds carried by a tempest, for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever. NKJV - AMEN and AMEN!
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Dolly -- tamarisk, 12:30:16 12/10/02 Tue
I read your post from the Jew haters over at the PFAKE site with amuzement. Your assessment they are anal retentative in their reading comprehension is amuzing.
I have posted numerous times concerning my involvement in the Pro-Life Movement in AmeriKa. I was a member of one of the most activist churches in AmeriKa. Neither Fowlers' Jackals or Kear know the meaning of Christian Activism. They lack the guts and courage to stand out front of a wicked execution chamber, called an abortion clinic.
They won't stand, as I and members of my home church have, outside of city hall, protesting a wicked city council proclaiming it is illegal for businesses to hire based on sexual orientation. Both Jackals and Kear must love the idea that the goobermint can tell them they must hire fag, pedophile priests in their ministries. Through that protest, that cold January day, we got an exemption for Churches. Neither Jackals or Kear will risk loosing their 501 c 3 status before their god, the IRS, by going against what the goobermint tells them they may and may not preach.
Again, Kear believes the great lie of the RIM.(The Reality Impaired Media) He also believes the RIP.(Reality Impaired Politicians) Thus, becoming a RIP, himself--A Reality Impaired Pastor. Both Kear and Fowler Jackals are deluded by their false and wrong doctrines of the WOF movements, which are from the pit of Hell.
Does either Fowler Jack or Kear, stand up against the hideous sin of killing innocent babies in their mother's womb? Of course not. This is what happens when ministries, such as PFAKE, operate in the king's court.
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Hi Guys! -- Dolly, 12:59:59 12/10/02 Tue
"I read your post from the Jew haters over at the PFAKE site with amuzement. Your assessment they are anal retentative in their reading comprehension is amuzing."
Question: My post?....you read my post, where? I don't post at PFAKE. Never have. Never would. Is someone using my handle? BTW ol Honest Abe, Jack, has long banned my IP. He is afraid I will even read his posts and call him to accountability. Would Jesus do that? Talk about "honesty." I think he can't take LIGHT shown in his.....nevermind. LOL. We at least allow him to READ our posts and he has every opportunity to respond elsewhere should he choose. If someone is posting at PFAKE it ain't moi!
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Re: Hi Guys! -- tamarisk, 13:35:08 12/10/02 Tue
Neither have I. They've been known to do strange things with posters IP numbers.
WRT--"Jesus in His Word tells me to bless those who curse me. We have been cursed repeatedly on the Militia Board for our stand for Christ, for justice and freedom. Now I want to bless tamarisk, sola, and all their cell members. May the Lord bless you. May you find peace in your hearts. May the wisdom of the Holy Spirit enlighten your hearts in the love of God."
Some RIM clown named Kear posted this at the Fowler board. Foist of all, I imagine when ACNR set up this board, he purposely didn't call it the "Militia Board." The last I looked, it is titled "Christian Theology Discussion Group."
NOT the "Dake Board," etc., this lifting up a man, but lifting up Almighty G_d as the author and creator of heaven and earth. Dake didn't create anything. He did recreate heretical, perverted teachings.
Kear's "stand for for justice and freedom" has the stipulation and the stink of Word of Faith false teachings. His "blessings" are from Hell. And to hell, they will return.
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Re: Hi Guys! -- tamarisk, 13:54:05 12/10/02 Tue
Another interesting snippet.
WRT--"It grieves my heart to think that there are people out there who are enjoying the fruits of living in America while at the same time thinking that it is fine and dandy to murder innocent people in the name of their hatred for America. It grieves me even more that these people think they are Christians. Hatred, racism and murder are not Christian virtues."
Of course, NOT preaching the whole truth is NOT "Christian virtues," either. The BINOS, such as the OKC Fowlers are just "pew warmers." They hide behind a title, men, the internet. They know not the blessings of preaching the Gospel of Salvation on the streets of AmeriKa. They are apathetic, caesar milque toast, sissy preachers having not the truth or love of the Lord in them. They have formed an alliance with Hell through their 501 c 3 "ministries." Their "love" for their precious king Keating is evident and stands as a testament of the message in Amos 7:13. Kear will tell you, you cannot preach a message against his king, in his chapel. King Keating only does what is necessary to be reelected.
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Dolly -- tamarisk, 09:09:12 12/09/02 Mon
The bottom line is, both Rt Rev Fowler and Kear live in the king's court through their 501 c 3, IRS tax exempt status. Try as they may, they cannot change that fact without renouncing their god, the IRS.
Again, just a matter of time before the Fowler's snare, like Amaziah, snaps shut. The Fowler's wouldn't hesitate in reporting you or I to their god, the goobermint. John, The Baptist didn't fail to preach against the "king's court." He "lost his head" over preaching the truth. Y'shua didn't fail to preach the truth in the king's court, either.
The main issue here is, why the Fowler's would fail to preach the gospel in OKC, even in front of the OKC memorial.
While I certainly don't believe the core beliefs of the Branch Davidians and Koresh, I do believe they had the right to have their "church" and espouse their false and wrong doctrines without the interference from the goobermint. I believe the same about Fowler Jack, Kear, Mormonism, RCism, etc. However, it doesn't change the fact that Born Again, Bible Believing Christians should cry out against those evils and, even those in the present day king's chapel.
Howell and Kear are about as deluded as they come, but the Bible does warn us about the false prophets for "profit."
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Tamarisk, ACNR, Bethany, Preludium, St. Iguanas -- Sola Scriptura, 16:34:29 12/09/02 Mon
The ungodly complained against Amos not only because he prophesied without license from him, but because he prophesied against his altars, which would soon be deserted and demolished if Amos's preaching could gain credit. In the same way we preach against the false teachings of the Ken Copelands of this world that are recommended at fine teachers by Mike Kear.
The shrine-makers at Ephesus hated Paul, because his preaching tended to spoil their trade. The bankrupt bishops and Great Pretenders to sanctity in our time are commonly the worst enemies to those who are really sanctified. The bishop-type priests that were connected to the King had been the most bitter persecutors of Amos. Amaziah brings false information to Jeroboam, the King. “Bishops-Deux,” Kear and Howellings bring false witness against against all for exposing their un-Biblical teachings and WOF heresy. Their false witness follows along with the obvious fact that they don’t understand the passage in Amos in CONTEXT which Tamarisk preached and how it would have been offensive to the group he fearlessly addressed. The time records on their posts showed that while Tamarisk was preaching Amos 7:13 and tweaking their ears, the Churchless Bishops-Deux were gossiping up a storm playing internet whores on The Lords Day. Maybe they were washing their flowing purple garments. Velvet can be tricky to wash at home and dry cleaning is recommended. Think of how long it must take for Jack to untangle all the gold bride. LOL!
Does the press have an anti-gun bias? Yes, says Brent Bozell, chairman of the Media Research Center. A study by the Center found that television news stories calling for stricter gun laws outnumbered newscasts opposing such laws by a ratio of 10 to 1.
Ignorance about guns and gun rights has reached pandemic proportions. Children are not taught the history or meaning of the Second Amendment in school, nor do they learn later as adults. Products of the public fool system and the congenital idiots like The Bishops Deux are part of the new wave of disinformation that is scarring people by being shrill and trying to tag every vociferous pro-2nd Amendment Rights advocate as always being someone from the deep end who is bent on shooting up peaceful neighborhoods for no reason. It is all part of the schemes of the Left to tear this Country apart from the inside out. They in doing so are using their dialectical tactics to blur the distinctions between the meaning of the word “militia” as it was used in our Constitution and was adopted by our founding Fathers who started this country and protected its citizens from the tyranny of King George with a MILITIA!
Gun prohibitionists argue that the Second Amendment confers a right to bear arms only on duly enrolled members of a state militia. But that is not what the document says. It specifically grants the right to keep and bear arms to "the people".
"The phrase `the people' meant the same thing in the Second Amendment as it did in the First, Fourth, Ninth and Tenth Amendments -- that is, each and every free person," writes constitutional scholar Stephen Halbrook in his book That Every Man Be Armed.
Even Harvard law professor Laurence Tribe - a gun-control advocate known for his liberal views - admitted, in the 1999 edition of his book American Constitutional Law, that the Second Amendment confers an individual right on U.S. citizens to "possess and use firearms in the defense of themselves and their homes."
Neither of us agree with Koresh and it disgusts me to have to qualify that for idiots from Oklahoma! But he had a Constitutional right to be stooped, (intentionally spelled dat way Mikie,,,,,git et, Jethro? Yellow helmeted smiley face for Jangles sooz heez not left out and pouts all week) just like Jack and Kear have that right under our Constitution and the Bill of Rights. We can’t legislate common sense, if we could the Jews never would have wanted a king to rule them in the first place! And just because I oppose the methodology and doctrine of the Davidians, I uphold their right to their beliefs. I certainly do not advocate sending tanks and flame throwers into Moore to coax about change of annotated reference Bibles. (I need smiley stickers for Jack when I have a wry moment. Must be a by-product of all those hours he spends at Wal-Mart.) Little blinking lights, arrows, to coax Jangler’s brain cells into seeing the analogy of Janet Reno cremating innocent babies with gas and flame throwers.
"Where the press is free, and every man able to read, all is safe," wrote Thomas Jefferson in 1816. But when the press aligns itself with special interests - such as the anti-gun lobby - critical information is censored, and liberty itself hangs in the balance. "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free ... it expects what never was and never will be ..." warned Jefferson. Jackals and Kear are part of the shrill anti-gun advocates who will one day be like Amaziah STANDING WITH THEIR SILKS AND TITLES telling the king of America “Don’t believe those Christians, they are false prophets and teachers. While you are at it, they don’t need guns anymore have them wrested from everyone’s homes at once!” All part of the end-time church of the Anti-Christ.
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Re: Tamarisk, ACNR, Bethany, Preludium, St. Iguanas -- tamarisk, 07:20:49 12/10/02 Tue
They sound much closer to the Bobblehead Demon, Ctaj, Basil hacks on R1D2, IMO. It was they, much to the delight of the Kumbaya'ers and Pacadorian's, to paint Josiah, Dolly and myself as the Taliban.
Now the Rt Rev's look to paint someone and something they don't understand as a "cell group." The Fowler's ought to stop watching so much of the RIM for their beliefs. Of course being a BINO(Baptist in Name Only) and a RIP(Reality Impaired Preacher), they really can't see the fact that a goodly percentage of people calling themselves Baptist, are involved in the Constitutional Militia, Common Law Courts and Jural Societies.
Why I don't consider myself a member of those movements is because many are Jew haters, just like the Fowlers. I know some who are members of the John Birch Society and espouse their brand of Reconstructionism--British Israelism/Replacement Theology/Covenant Theology/Kingdom Now Theology, etc.
One can still go to the Branch Davidian website for their beliefs. Koresh, like Jim Jones, had the people believing he was Mechiach(Messiah). Of course, there are those people around the country beliving the Rt Rev Fowler is a Bishop, too!
In my research of McVeigh, up in Kingman, I discovered a number of things. McVeigh was not the monster he was made out to be. It all depended on who he was around and what influences they had on him. There are a great many people in AmeriKa which will deny the goobermint involvement at OKC. They will deny the mind control cults operating within various agencies of goobermint today. They may also deny these rogue agents of the goobermint have employed various Arab's in this country, as "handlers" for the purposes of mind control.
Did McVeigh hate the goobermint that much because of what Butch Reno and Slick Willie did at Waco, that he would knowing and willing blow up the federal building in OKC? NOT on his own. He needed help, finances, etc.
Fowler can "do the math," just as I did. He can call the manager of the Hilltop Motel where he stayed for a while, the True Value Hardware store where he worked. The manager of the motel will tell them the story of the Bible McVeigh read in his room and the verses of Scripture he highlighted. He perverted a number of those verses to believe it meant him and NOT the Lord. He perverted scripture in the same manner as the Fowlers do to make thier wrong doctrines fit their pragmatic preaching and teaching.
Jackals and Kear are much closer to the NWO/One World Church and their mind control methods than they realize.
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Tamarisk, ACNR, Bethany, Preludium, St. Iguanas -- Sola Scriptura, 08:55:18 12/10/02 Tue
Biblical repentance as preached by John the Baptist, the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Apostles, involved A CHANGE OF MIND TOWARD GOD AND SIN THAT RESULTS IN A CHANGE OF LIFE. Note the following summary of Paul’s message: “But showed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that THEY SHOULD REPENT AND TURN TO GOD, AND DO WORKS MEET FOR REPENTANCE” (Acts 26:20).
The gospel message preached by Peter on the day of Pentecost and by Paul after Pentecost required repentance and defined that as a mindset to turn to God from evil works. That means NOT posting as false names and writing letters complaining about what you know in your heart that you are guilty of. God knows your games, Jack.
Paul summarized His gospel message as “repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ” (Acts 20:21). The gospel requires that the sinner exercise repentance toward God and faith in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Biblical repentance is a change of mind toward God and sin that results in a change of life. To say that it has nothing to do with one’s attitude toward sin is to throw away the Bible and nineteen centuries of Bible-believing preaching.
Does Jack Howell who claims to represent the church exhibit a contrite heart? Do you see Jesus in his actions? Nuff said.
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They exalt and magnify themselves now, but will be held to account. -- Sola Scriptura, 18:15:13 12/09/02 Mon
To those of the Pharisee Posse from Moore who are offended by my analogy and commentary that pins The BISHOPS-DEUX as being part of the end-time Church/State/ecumenical - Jeroboam-Amaziah confraternity that is to come; Look no further than the photos on Mike Kear’s website for confirmation. Mike Kear proudly and prominently depicts himself as being recognized by the, and in (very) good standing with the Governor of Oklahoma, Frank Keating, and a life-long Catholic. Keating describes himself as a "solid, tough no-nonsense Catholic." Look at the photo which is linked from Jack’s “Revealed Truth Ministries” (LOL!) page for the full effect of what I proffer. Nuff said.
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For Tonight's Secret Code Name Mumbo-Jumbo - Wear Your Crystals -- Door of Wittenberg (secret code, shhhhhh!), 19:26:17 12/09/02 Mon
Kear says: "Re: Tamarisk, the "militia" connection...
"Judging from the anathemas being rained down upon us by the antichrists over at the Militia Board, I'd say we hit the nail on the head! They are flailing about wildly and calling us names. Apparently exposing their sacred names mumbo-jumbo and their militia connections to the light of truth really causes them to writhe like the snakes that they are! No real Baptist, let alone a real Christian, would lie like they have. No real Baptist would belong to a sacred names cult. No real Christian would buddy up with a sleeper cell anti-American militia coven. No real Christian, no real Baptist, would exhibit the hatred and venom that these people have produced. Period."
SUFFERIN' SUCCOTASH!!
CAREFUL THAT FLOOR IS NOW A TAD SLIPPERY. - ANYONE WANNA BORROW MY HANKIE TO WIPE THE SPITTLE OFF THEIR SHOES? NEXT TIME HE GETS ON HIS PEDESTAL, WE WILL BE ARMED WITH UMBRELLAS!!!!
.......this was a comical response....at another forum
MY REAR, KEAR! "Apparently exposing their sacred names mumbo-jumbo "
Posted by gimme a break!
on December 09, 2002 at 21:37:22:
In Reply to: Thats your problem fake Kear, you judge and yet you haven't the know how... posted by Informer on December 08, 2002 at 10:54:54:
(Kear says)"Apparently exposing their sacred names mumbo-jumbo"
Yah. Right. What a geek! Remember this is from some guy who speaks in tongues that even HE can't translate. gimme a break. "
....got your secret de-coder rings on? Okay, listen carefully for tonight's encrypted message......the ducks are in the water......Baptists like their martinis shaken, not stirred.....Jack's moon is moore than a size 52’s double stitched back pocket seams bargained for.......Finis Dake liked little girls – a LOT......and he was REALLY just giving that little girl a ride across the State line when the PO-lice showed up...... the reason no one “lifts up” Kear and Howellings is because they can’t find a strong enough wench…..they want a new ice cream named after them, call it “HOGG & DROSS”….two and two is four unless you went to public school in Oklahoma…..Mike Kear has his own definition of “Beautiful wife” unique unto him…….some think it’s okay to marry their cousins, PFAI just makes them a “bishop” instead………GOT That secret message for tonight bunkies???? GOOD!
HERE are some suggestions for new names, banners and themes for PFAKE…
We Welcome ALL Wide Loads & Pant Loads!....
Gee....Are ALL My New Friends Prophets?....
Mondo! Do You Think Tuffy & Toby Would Like To Be Bishops, TOO?.....
Did Rev. Jack Say That Was Called The ”Tonto” Blessing?
Straight or Heterodoxy Both Welcome here
Jack: “Monsignor, Could I have Some of That Holy Water For My Goldfish? He seems a bit sick.”
Hi! I’m Mike. I’m Sagittarius, What’s your denomination?
Have Your Ears Tickled Here
MOO-ve Over For Modalism
Jack Thinks Viagra Increases his Omnipotence
Rodney Howard-Browne? He Ain't No TONTO!
With My Lifestyle I Will Never Need a Hamartiologist
Deep-Deep-Deep-Deep South And We Plan To Retire There!
Antinomianism's Makes The BEST Pizza
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Sola, "Ed Adams" et al, Bethany -- tamarisk, 12:47:04 12/09/02 Mon
Yule like this from the Dorito place:
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"Nope, it isn't MM2. It is the guy who has been posting at PP and Mike Reagan's for years. His last name at the Reagan site was Lord Byron. He has used so many names it is hard to remember them. He is a rather troubled person, I'm afraid, who has nothing better to do than try to disrupt people. MM2 is also a troubled person, but his reincarnation is as ACNR/Josiah. His buddy Tamarisk has become as unstable as he is, IMO.
Sorry that Akbar keeps getting in here. Please just ignore his posts and rest assured that we will wipe them off here as soon as we become away he has deposited his droppings. Regardless of what I've said about these people, I agree with others who say we should pray for them. Please keep them in your prayers, too."
It's a shame Dorito doesn't remember things like her giving out the address to this forum because of her prideful spirit. I have memorized a whole string of her posts over the past few years. How many godz does she have on her "string" called Rosary Beads? So it goes with the typical Kumbaya/Pacadorian/Word of Faith harry tics.
LOL!!! I remember the names Dorito has used on other forums.
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Dolly -- tamarisk, 12:03:39 12/09/02 Mon
Just goes to show you how much Hell and its minions hate being exposed. The Fowler's of this world believe the lie that militias are bad. They believe it is wrong to be a Christian Patriot. They have become so deceived by the RIM, they believe their lies.
Not to worry about Fowler. BTW--You posted a very accurate commentary on Amos 7:13 and the "king's chapel." I connected John, The Baptist, Our Lord Y'shua and His Apostles concerning this message. It was well received by the Christians in the group. There are always non-believers in those groups needing a gospel message of Salvation, too!
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Sola -- tamarisk, 07:45:02 12/09/02 Mon
LOL! Youse see, they can attack me all they want. They are the ones perverting Scripture with THEIR WOG/WOF misinformation.
For the record, I greatly support a Constitutional Militia. The Rt Rev and Kear watch ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, etc., with their dear in the head lights stare saying, "I'm giving up my rights, but I really don't mind." They believe what the media told them about David Koresh and Waco. About Timothy McVeigh. BTW: Rt Rev Fowler, I corresponded with McVeigh after he was transferred from Colorado to Indiana. Fowler Jack nor Kear have not a clue about what it is to be investigated by the goobermint for doing the right thing. I know many things about McVeigh because I investigated his Kingman, Az., connection. Many of those things have ended up in print or on world-wide shortwave radio.
I have friends, back in Ohio, in prison because of their Common Law beliefs. One was a deacon in my home church and, even, signed my license to preach.
What is apparent in your repostings is, neither Fowler nor Kear are prepared to defend their G_d given rights, under the Constitution of the united States of America.
They've sold out through their 501 c 3. They are the true agents of Uncle Scam and his coming One World Church. Fowler and Kear won't have to worry about being placed in a FEMA center. They will willingly roll up their sleeves and take their smallpox and anthrax shots. Of course, that would match Fowler's testimony of compromise.
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