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Date Posted: 15:07:11 08/01/02 Thu
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Subject: demon jack says his god has a physical body

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89 Proofs of The Trinity




Eighty-nine Proofs of A Divine Trinity




What we mean by Divine Trinity is that there are three separate and distinct persons in the Godhead,
The doctrine of the Trinity can be clearly seen, being understood by the visible things that are made, even to
His eternal power and Godhead (Romans 1:20). What on earth was created in the image and likeness of
God? Man (Genesis 1:26-28). Do God's image and likeness consist only of moral and spiritual powers? If so,
it can be concluded that man is only a moral and spiritual being. Is God bodiless? If so, we can conclude that
man is also bodiless.
Is God only one being made up of several persons or beings in the one being? If so, we can conclude that
man is one person or being made up of many. Does God need a flesh body in order to have any kind of
body? No! There are such things as spirit and heavenly bodies. See 1 Cor. 15:35-38. From this passage we
learn that all things in creation?grain, fish, birds, beasts, man, angels, and even the planets?have bodies, sizes,
shapes, and forms.
The Bible declares that God has a body, shape, image, likeness, physical parts, a personal soul and spirit, and
all other things that constitute a being or a person with a body, soul, and spirit
(see note, §John 4:24; note,
§John 5:37; The Doctrine of Man.
Angels, cherubim, seraphim, and all other spirit beings have spirit bodies and personal souls and spirits. They
have been seen with the natural eyes of men over 100 times in Scripture (see Appearances of Angels to
Men). If all other spirit beings have spirit bodies, could not the members of the Trinity also have spirit
bodies? The 284 passages on spirits in Scripture prove that spirit bodies are just as real and capable of
operation in the material worlds as are flesh bodies. There is no such thing as a world of creations made up
of invisible substance. The so-called spirit world must be understood simply as spirit beings inhabiting
material worlds created by God. Heaven itself is a material planet (Genesis 1:1; Hebrews 11:10-16), having
cities, mansions, furniture, inhabitants, living conditions, etc. See Heaven.
God has been seen physically by human eyes many times (Genesis 18:1-33; Genesis 19:24; Genesis
32:24-30; Exodus 24:11; Exodus 33:11-33; Joshua 5:13-15; Judges 6:11-23; Judges 13:3-25; 1 Chron.
21:16-17; Job 42:5; Isaiah 6; Ezekiel 1:26-28; Ezekiel 10:1,20; Ezekiel 40:3; Daniel 7:9-14; Daniel 10:5-10;
Acts 7:56-59; Rev. 4:2-5; Rev. 5:1,5-7,11-14; Rev. 6:16; Rev. 7:9-17; Rev. 19:4; Rev. 21:3-5; Rev. 22:4).
In over 20,000 references about God in Scripture we get to know all we need to know about the subject. If
we will take the Bible literally as to what it says about Him, as we do with other things the subject will be
very clear; but if we make God a mystery, ignoring the plain statements of Scripture about Him, and refusing
to believe the many descriptions of God given by those who have seen one, two, and three separate persons
called "God," then we ill remain in ignorance.
It is true there are a few figurative statements about God in Scripture, as there are about man and other
things, but shall we do away with the reality of man and these other things because of a few figures of
speech? Let us make man mere salt and lights (Matthew 5:13-14), if we are going to do away with God
because of a few figures of speech.
We submit the following facts in Scripture to prove a Divine Trinity of separate persons in the Godhead:
1. The word "one" means one in unity as well as one in number. It means unity in 1 John 5:7, as it does in
John 17:11,21-23, and yet these three Persons, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, are spoken of as
one each in number and individuality in Scripture. There is one God the Father, one Lord Jesus Christ, and
one Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 8:6; Ephes. 4:3-6). Thus, there are three separate Persons in divine individuality and
divine pluralty. The Father is called God (1 Cor. 8:6), the Son is called God (Isaiah 9:6,7; Hebrews 1:8; John
1:1-2; John 20:28), and the Holy Spirit is called God (Acts 5:3-4). As individual persons each can be called
God and collectively they can be spoken of as one God because of their perfect unity. The word "God" is
used either as a singular or a plural word, like sheep.
Everything that could be spoken of God collectively applies equally to each member of the Godhead as an
individual, but there are some things that are said of each person of the Deity as to position, office, and work
that could not be spoken as of the other members of the Godhead. The Father is the head of Christ (1 Cor.
11:3); the Son is the only begotten of the Father (2 John 1:3), and the Holy Spirit proceeds from both the
Father and the Son (John 14:16,26; John 15:26; John 16:7-15; Acts 2:34).
2. Names of God prove plurality of persons. The Hebrew: (HSN-430) is the word for God in Genesis 1:1
and in over 2,700 other places in the Old Testament It is a uni-plural noun meaning Gods and is so translated
239 times (Genesis 3:5; Exodus 22:28; 1 Samuel 4:8; Daniel 2:11; Daniel 4:6-9; Daniel 5:11,14; etc.).
Sometimes 'Elohiym is used with plural verbs and pronouns, "the Gods they caused me to wander" (Genesis
20:13), and "there the Gods they appeared unto him" (Genesis 35:7).
3. Plural pronouns are used of God, proving plurality of persons (Genesis 1:26; Genesis 3:22; Genesis 11:7;
Isaiah 6:8; John 14:23; John 17:11,22-23).
4. First, second, and third personal pronouns are used hundreds of times in Scripture, referring to one, two,
and three persons of the Godhead in the same sense they are used of men. Sometimes the different
members of the Deity use them to and of one another in the same sense man uses them. In John 17 alone
Jesus uses them 162 times in speaking to and of His Father (cp. John 14:16-17,26; John 15:26; John
16:7-15). Sometimes singular pronouns are used of the whole Godhead of three members as a unity (Exodus
20:3; Isaiah 44:6,8; Isaiah 45:5,21; Isaiah 46:9; Hosea 13:4), just like the whole church as a unit is spoken of
as a man and "he" (Ephes. 2:14-15; Ephes. 4:13; Ephes. 5:25-27; 2 Thes. 2:7-8).
5. "Man is become as one of us" proves plurality of persons (Genesis 3:22).
6. Two and three Persons called God have been seen by the same men at the same time and places as
being separate persons (Daniel 7:9-14; Matthew 3:16-17; John 1:31-34; Acts 7:54-60; Rev. 6:16; Rev.
7:9-17; Rev. 21:22; Rev. 22:3).
7. Two Lords are mentioned in Genesis 19:24; one on earth and one in heaven.
8. Two Persons are referred to in the Old Testament See Psalm 8:5-6 with Hebrews 2:5-18; Psalm 16:8-10
with Acts 2:25-36; Psalm 22:1-22 with Matthew 27:35,39-43,45-46; Hebrews 9:14; Hebrews 10:5-12; Psalm
40:6-10 with Hebrews 10:5-7; and Psalm 45:6-7 with Hebrews 1:8-9.
9. Two Lords are mentioned sitting side by side (Psalm 110:1,5; Matthew 22:44; Matthew 26:64; Acts
2:33-34; Acts 7:54-56; Romans 8:34; Ephes. 1:20; Col. 3:1; Hebrews 1:3,13; Hebrews 8:1; Hebrews 10:12;
Hebrews 12:2; 1 Peter 3:22; Rev. 22:3).
10. Two Persons are mentioned and required in order to understand the plain language of Psalm 2; Psalm
9:19; Psalm 132:17; Proverbs 30:4; Isaiah 4:2; Isaiah 10:16-17; Isaiah 28:16; Isaiah 49:1-10; Isaiah 50:4-11;
Isaiah 52:13-53:12; Isaiah 62:11; Micah 5:1-5; Jeremiah 23:4-8; Jeremiah 33:14-26; Zech. 3:8-10; Zech.
6:12-13. In these passages one is anointed, becomes the son of, is sent by, is taught by, and becomes the
servant of the other; and both are called Lord.
11. Three self-acting Persons?the Lord God, the Messiah, and the Holy Spirit?are referred to as blessing,
anointing, sending, and doing things for one another in Isaiah 11:2; Isaiah 42:1-7; Isaiah 48:16; Isaiah 59:21;
Isaiah 61:1-2; Isaiah 63:1-14; Zech. 12:10-13:2.
12. In Zech. 1:7-21 the Lord of Hosts and the angel of the Lord (also called Lord, Zech. 1:19-20; Zech.
2:1-13) are talking together. One Lord says of the other Lord that He has sent Him to Israel (Zech. 2:8-13).
One Lord refers to Himself as "Me" and to the Lord of Hosts as "His" and "He" (Zech. 2:8-11). The
conference continues throughout Zechariah until Zech. 13:6-7 where both Lords are called fellows or
associate.
13. Jesus Christ is called the son of Abraham, David, Mary, and of God (Matthew 1:1; Mark 1:1; Mark 6:3).
He is just as much a separate person from God as He is of these other persons.
14. Two Persons are referred to many times in the New Testament (Matthew 11:27; Luke 23:46; John
1:1-2,18; John 5:19-20; John 14:1-9; John 16:15; John 17:3,10; Acts 2:38-39; Acts 3:13-26; Phil. 2:5-11;
Ephes. 3:5; Col. 1:5; 2 Thes. 2:16-17; Titus 2:13; Hebrews 1:1-3; Rev. 20:6; Rev. 22:3).
15. Two and three Persons are mentioned in the introductions to New Testament books (Romans 1:1-4,7; 1
Cor. 1:3; James 1:1; 1 Peter 1:1-3; 2 John 1:3; Rev. 1:1-6; etc.).
16. God is the head of Christ and thus greater than He in position (1 Cor. 3:23; 1 Cor. 11:3; 1 Chron. 29:11;
John 14:28).
17. Christ is the mediator between God and man, not between Himself and man (1 Tim. 2:5).
18. Two and three Persons are referred to in every New Testament book (Matthew 3:16-17; Matthew
12:31-32; Matthew 17:5; Matthew 22:43-45; Matthew 28:19; Mark 1:1-2,10; Mark 13:32; Luke 1:32-35;
Luke 2:40,52; Luke 3:22; Luke 4:1; Luke 4:18; Luke 9:35; Luke 23:46; Luke 24:39 with John 4:24; John
1:1-3,14,18; John 5:17-25,31-38; John 6:37,44-46,57; John 7:16-18,28,37-39; John 8:13-19,26-38,42,54; John
10:15-18,24,29,36; John 12:26-31,44,49-50; John 14:1-26,28-30; John 15:1-26; John 16:1-33; John 17:1-26;
John 18:11; John 20:17,21; John 18:11; John 20:17,21; Acts 1:7-8; Acts 2:24-36; Acts 3:13-26; Acts
4:10,26-31; Acts 5:29-33; Acts 7:37,55-56; Acts 8:12-17; Acts 9:17; Acts 10:38-48; Acts 17:31; Romans
1:3,7,9; Romans 5:1-11; Romans 8:1-13,26-39; 1 Cor. 1:3-9; 1 Cor. 2:10; 1 Cor. 3:23; 1 Cor. 8:6; 1 Cor. 11:3;
1 Cor. 12:3; 1 Cor. 15:57; 2 Cor. 1:2-3; 2 Cor. 5:17-21; 2 Cor. 13:14; Galatians 1:1-3; Ephes. 1:2-3; Ephes.
3:14; Ephes. 4:3-6; Ephes. 6:23; Phil. 1:2; Phil. 2:5-11; Col. 1:2-3,13-19; Col. 3:1; 1 Thes. 1:1-10; 1 Thes.
3:13; 2 Thes. 1:1-2; 2 Thes. 2:16; 1 Tim. 1:2; 1 Tim. 2:5; 1 Tim. 5:21; 1 Tim. 6:14-16; 2 Tim. 1:2; 2 Tim. 4:1;
Titus 1:4; Titus 2:13; Philemon 1:3; see note, §Rev. 5:13 for 30 last New Testament references). In no
conceivable way can we force a meaning of three persons in one person; three beings in one being; or three
manifestations of only one person in any of these or any other scripture.
19. There are three distinct and separate witnesses that bear witness of Christ (1 John 5:5-11,13,20). Both
God and man require this many personal and separate witnesses to confirm any point (Matthew 18:16; 2
Cor. 13:1). The water and blood of 1 John 5:8 could not be accepted as accredited personal witnesses to
confirm any point (Matthew 18:16; 2 Cor. 13:1). The water and blood of 1 John 5:8 could not be accepted as
accredited personal witness in themselves. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are the only persnal
witnesses of this passage. If we consider these to be only one person, then there are not the required
number of witnesses to establish the truth of the Sonship of Jesus Christ. We are forced by facts to admit all
of 1 John 5:7-8 as inspired Scripture and therefore, the fact that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are
three separate and personal witnesses instead of being only one person or witness. Indeed, many scriptures
confirm these three witnesses:
(1) The Father (Jeremiah 29:23; Malachi 3:5; §John 5:31-37, notes; Romans 1:9; Hebrews 1:1-2; Hebrews
2:3-4)
(2) The Son (Isaiah 55:4; John 18:37; 1 Tim. 6:13; Rev. 1:5)
(3) The Holy Spirit (Romans 8:16; John 15:26; Hebrews 10:15; 1 John 3:6)
If all three are witnesses, then they must be separate Persons. The water and the blood simply confirm the
intelligent testimonies of the three Persons of the Godhead and give additional weight to the Sonship of
Jesus.
20. The words through and by, used of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, but not once of the Father, prove
that God to be a separate Person and the Head and Director of all things done by and through them (1 Cor.
3:23; 1 Cor. 11:3; John 10:29; John 14:28; John 14:16-17,26; John 15:26; John 16:7-15; Acts 2:33-34):
(1) Through Jesus Christ (Acts 4:2; Romans 1:8; Romans 5:1,9,11; Romans 6:23; Romans 7:25; Romans
15:17; Romans 16:27; 1 Cor. 15:57; 2 Cor. 3:4; Galatians 3:14; Galatians 4:7; Galatians 5:10; Ephes. 2:7,18;
Phil. 4:7,13; Titus 3:6; Hebrews 13:21; 1 Peter 1:22; 1 Peter 4:11; 1 John 4:9)
(2) By Jesus Christ (John 1:3,10,17; John 10:9; Acts 4:10; Acts 10:36; Romans 2:16; Romans 3:22; Romans
5:17,21; Galatians 1:1; Ephes. 1:5; Ephes. 3:9; Col. 1:15-20; Col. 3:17; Hebrews 1:1-3; 1 Peter 2:5; 1 Peter
5:10)
(3) Through the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:2; Acts 21:4; Romans 8:13; Romans 15:13,19; Galatians 5:5; Ephes. 2:22;
Hebrews 9:14)
(4) By the Holy Spirit (Ezekiel 11:24; Micah 3:8; Zech. 4:6; Matthew 12:28; Luke 2:27; Luke 4:1; Acts
11:28; Romans 5:5; Romans 15:19; 1 Cor. 2:10; 1 Cor. 6:11; 1 Cor. 12:3,13)
Proofs that Jesus Is Not the Father:
21. The Father was in heaven all the time that Jesus was on earth (Matthew 5:16,48).
22. Christ now sits at the right hand of the Father (see note 9, above).
23. Jesus said He would confess men "before My Father," proving He is not the Father (Matthew 10:32;
Rev. 3:5).
24. Jesus always prayed to the Father as a separate Person (Matthew 11:25; John 17).
25. The Father existed outside the body of Jesus, so He could not be Jesus (Matthew 2:12; Matthew 3:17;
Matthew 17:5; John 12:27-30).
26. Both Jesus and Satan refer to a God separate from Jesus (Matthew 4:6-10).
27. God was the Father of Jesus, not Jesus Himself (Ephes. 1:3,17; Ephes. 3:14).
28. In parables Jesus illustrates His relationship to the Father as that of separate persons (Matthew
21:33-46; John 15:1-8).
29. People are taught to go directly to the Father and not to pray to Jesus (John 14:12-15; John 15:16; John
16:23-26).
30. The Father knew things that Jesus did not know (Mark 13:32; Acts 1:7).
31. Others saw Jesus as a separate Person from the Father (Daniel 7:9-14; Acts 7:56).
32. Jesus committed His own spirit to the Father, not to Himself (Luke 23:46).
33. Jesus claimed that He came from God and was going back to God (John 8:42; John 16:5; John 10:36;
John 17:8).
34. God is a Spirit, not flesh and blood like Jesus was (John 4:24; John 19:34; Matthew 16:17; Luke 24:39).
35. People on earth with Jesus heard God speak as a separate person from heaven (Matthew 3:17;
Matthew 17:5; 2 Peter 1:16-18).
36. Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, not the Father Himself (John 5:17-35).
37. Jesus called the Father "My God," even after the resurrection (John 20:17; Rev. 3:12).
38. Jesus called God "My Father" 57 times (John 15:1; Rev. 2:27). How could He be His own God and
Father and beget Himself?
39. When Jesus was born on earth angels and people still recognized God in heaven (Luke 2:7-16). Were
they mistaken about God? Was the child all of God on earth and in heaven also?
40. Mary and Joseph acted with utmost ignorance if the baby Jesus was all of God, for they presented Him
to the Lord Who was someone other than Jesus (Luke 2:22).
41. Simeon had a revelation and guidance from the Holy Spirit that Jesus was not the only member of the
Godhead (Luke 2:26-33).
42. John the Baptist knew the Father, but he did not know the Son (John 1:31-34).
43. The Son died, not the Father (1 Cor. 15:3; 1 Peter 2:24).
44. Jesus was the only begotten Son of the Father, so could not be the Father or the begetter of Himself
(John 1:14).
45. Jesus claimed that He could not and did not do anything of Himself, but that the Father worked through
Him (John 5:19,30; John 6:38; John 8:28; John 12:49-50).
46. He did not come to do His own will, but that of the Father who sent Him (John 5:30; John 6:38).
47. His doctrine was not His, but the Father's (John 7:16-17; John 8:26).
48. He did not speak of Himself, but of the Father who had sent Him (John 7:16-18; John 8:26-40).
49. He did not please Himself, but the Father (John 8:29).
50. He was a Son, not a Father over the house of God (John 8:35-36; Hebrews 3:6).
51. He had the same relation to His Father that men have with Satan (John 8:16,35-44; John 9:4).
52. He honored the Father as all people should (John 8:49).
53. He did not seek His own glory, but that of the Father (John 8:50-54; John 17:4).
54. He knew the Father, but was not the Father (John 8:55; John 10:15).
55. He was loved by the Father as a separate person (John 10:17-18).
56. He kept the Father's commandments and they were not His own (John 12:49-50; John 15:10).
57. His disciples were given to Him by the Father (John 10:29; John 17:1-25).
58. He was equal with the Father in some things, but not in others (Mark 13:32; John 5:17-39; John
8:13-19,29-42; John 19:18-29; Acts 1:7; 1 Cor. 11:3; Rev. 1:1).
59. He and the Father were in unity and in each other in the same sense believers are to be in unity and in
God (John 10:38; John 14:10-11,23; John 17:11,21-23).
60. He was the only way to the Father (John 6:37; John 14:6).
61. He said, I am not alone or the only witness of My sonship. The Father is another witness (John 5:36-38;
John 8:13-19,54; John 12:49-50; John 14:10-11).
62. Over 80 times Jesus affirmed that He was not the Father and not the only person in the Godhead. Christ
was the speaker, but not the one spoken of or to (Matthew 7:21; Matthew 11:27; Matthew 18:10,35; Luke
2:49; John 5:17-43; John 8:19-49; John 10:17-37; John 14:7-28; John 15:1-26; Rev. 1:1; etc.). Is it any
wonder that the Godhead, the Trinity, and the unity of God are so mysterious when we force separate
persons to become only one person, all because we do not want to recognize the true meaning of the word
one as referring to unity rather than individuality in some scriptures? People would be just as great a mystery
if we forced the meaning of all men to refer to one person.
63. He was not as great as His Father (John 10:29; John 14:28; cp. 1 Cor. 11:3).
64. The Father (Matthew 3:17), Jesus (John 10:36), angels (Luke 1:32-35), demons (Mark 3:11; Mark 5:7),
and apostles (Matthew 16:16; John 1:14; Romans 8:32; 2 John 1:3), all declare the sonship of Jesus, but not
once do they declare a Christ-fatherhood.
65. The Father and the Son spoke to each other in audible voices at the same time and place, being heard by
many witnesses (Matthew 3:16-17; Matthew 7:5; John 12:27-30; 2 Peter 1:17). In no single instance could
such speaking be explained as the voice of one individual or be used to prove one Person in the Deity.
66. The word "both" is used of the Father and the Son, proving two Persons (John 15:24; 2 John 1:9).
67. The word "also" is used of the Father and the Son, proving two Persons (John 5:19,27; John 8:19; John
13:32; John 14:1).
68. The statement, "They have not known the Father nor Me," proves two Persons (John 16:3,5).
69. Christ received all power in heaven and in earth (Matthew 28:18). The Father had to be greater than
Jesus to give Him that power (John 14:28).
70. Jesus was resurrected and exalted by the Father, so He could not be the Father (Ephes. 1:20-23; Phil.
2:9-11; Hebrews 12:2; 1 Peter 3:22)
71. God made Jesus both Lord and Christ (Acts 2:33-36).
72. Six times in John 14:1-9 Jesus made it clear that He was not the Father.
Holy Spirit Is Not Jesus Or the Father:
73. The Holy Spirit is another Person, distinct from both the Father and the Son (John 5:32; John
14:16-17,26; John 15:26; John 16:7-15).
74. It was necessary that Jesus go away so that the Holy Spirit could come (John 16:5-15).
75. He has been seen with the natural eyes as a separate Person from the Father and the Son (Matthew
3:16-17; John 1:31-34; Rev. 4:5; Rev. 5:6).
76. He is symbolized as a separate Person with Christ, both of them before God who sits on a throne (Rev.
1:4-5; Rev. 3:1; Rev. 4:5; Rev. 5:6).
77. He could not be sent from God until Christ was glorified, but would then be sent from both the Father
and the Son (John 7:37-39; Acts 2:33-34).
78. He was sent from the Father to endow Jesus with power. This required three Persons: the One who
sent Him, the One being sent, and the One who received Him (Acts 10:38; Isaiah 11:2; Isaiah 42:1-7; Isaiah
61:1-2).
79. A clear distinction is made of the names of all three Persons (Matthew 28:19; 2 Cor. 13:14; 1 John 5:7).
80. A clear distinction is made between the Son who prays, the Father to whom He prays, and the Holy
Spirit for whom He prays (John 14:16).
81. A clear distinction is made between the Son on the right hand of the Father, the Father on the left hand
of the Son, and the Holy Spirit who is sent from the Father and the Son (Acts 2:33-36; Acts 7:56; John
14:16-17,26; John 15:26; John 16:7-15).
82. The Son was already given (John 3:16), when the Spirit was not yet given (John 7:39).
83. The Son can be blasphemed with forgiveness possible; but if the Spirit is blasphemed, no forgiveness is
possible. This proves two distinct Persons (Matthew 12:31-32; Mark 3:29-30; Luke 12:10).
84. The Samaritans received Jesus, but had not yet received the Holy Spirit (Acts 8:5-25).
85. Jesus could do no miracle by Himself (John 5:19), but by the Holy Spirit He did many miracles (John
2:11; Acts 10:38)
86. The Holy Spirit came not to speak of or glorify Himself, but to speak of and glorify Jesus (John 16:7-15).
87. The descent of the Holy Spirit proved the arrival of Jesus in heaven to sit at the right hand of God, thus
proving three Persons (Acts 2:33-34; John 7:39).
88. Jesus claimed even after the resurrection that He was not a spirit being, so He could not be the Father
or the Holy Spirit who are spirit beings (Luke 24:39; John 4:24; John 14:16-17,26; John 15:26; John 16:7-15).
89. In the last book of the Bible the Trinity is seen as working together in all things (Rev. 1:4-6; Rev. 3:1;
Rev. 4:5; Rev. 5:6; Rev. 21:10; Rev. 22:17).

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