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Date Posted: 20:11:17 02/24/03 Mon
Author: whoa boy!
Subject: MORONI BALONEY From St. Susan's Ecumenical Cesspool

To: Sunny, Murr, Stevie, Dori Guess what? The Mormon Jesus is not the one of the Bible, gang.

Sunny: � To Mormons, a cult? LOL - So fun to throw that "c" word around! (G) Jesus was a CULT in his day. Just one of the many reasons they killed him. they just didn't have the "c" word then, to label him as.�

"Is Mormonism Christian?" is a very important question. The answer is equally important and simple. No. Mormonism is not Christian. It IS a cult in the strict theological definition of the word, whether Sunny, riding high on her high horse of ignorance chooses to inform herself of this or not; it remains a fact. The reason Mormonism is not Christian is because it, like any other cult, it denies one or more of the essential doctrines of Christianity.

Of the essential doctrines (Jesus is God in flesh, forgiveness of sins is by grace alone, and Jesus rose from the dead physically), Mormonism distorts two of them: the person of Jesus, and His work of salvation. Part of the difficulty is that none of the persons being quoted here from R1 have the foggiest notion what an �essential doctrine� encompasses.

Murray: the ecumenist espousing a watered down non-gospel � �Most of the time, a negative comment about another religion or another person's beliefs is not truly prophetic, but an instrument of strife. Not always, but as I have seen it, mostly always. �

Then there is an ecumenist, making-nice-to-heretics, Mur who claims to have felt "a calling." Question: How can he be at the same time hesitant to turn sinners away from patently false gospels such as Mormonism, Roman Catholicism, and Jehovah�s Witnesses that will land them in Hell? Perhaps his "calling" to preach an ecumenist message of compromise, did not come from who he thought it did! Murry's message is another gospel.

Stephen James, the Satanist and hater of Christ: "Why do you have to bring down other people's faith?" Bigots do those kinds of things. �

Dori the Roman cookie-monster, believes in �salvation by cookie�: re., Mormons � �If they believe that Jesus is the son of God, that he is their personal saviour and that he died for their sins, they're Christian, no matter how they choose to worship. If they want to believe the moon is a big balloon, what business is it of yours, St. Gerry? Why do you have to bring down other people's faith?�

Satan has duped all of these blind pillars of salt and entrenched theological failures into believing that there is actually more than one true �essential doctrine� and that as long as one references themselves as a �Christian� that believes in �Jesus,� and remember to �make nice,� then one may have comfort knowing that they are thus �saved.� � Just like new math and the current public school system: feel good about yourself, and nothing else matters. Five and Five may be Seven, as long as you feel good about the answer. In other words, sort of like the reasoning that is belched from Sheryl Crow who announced that the best way to avoid war is "not to have enemies," Just marvy, Sheryl. Who said you can�t be beautiful AND bright? LOL!

Because Mormonism errors in who Jesus is, salvation (the forgiveness of sins) does not occur and the Mormon is still in his sins. Christians are saved from their sins and judgment by putting their trust in Jesus for the forgiveness of their sins. But, here�s the trick - faith is only as good as the object in which it is placed.

The Mormon Jesus is not the one of the Bible, even though they call him Jesus, say he died for sins, and was born in Bethlehem. The Mormon Jesus does not exist. It is the nature of Jesus that is the issue. Jesus must be God in flesh, (second person of the Trinity) not "a" god in flesh who is the brother of the devil. He must be uncreated, not created. He must be the creator (Col. 1:16-17). This is who the true Jesus really is: God, creator, uncreated, not the brother of the devil.

Mormonism in a Nutshell (emphasis on the NUT!)
Mormonism teaches that God used to be a man on another world

and that he became a god by following the laws and ordinances of his god on his home world.

In his present god-state, he rules our world. He has a body of flesh and bones and, according to Mormonism, he has a wife, a goddess wife.

Since they are both exalted persons, they each possess physical bodies. In their exalted states as deities, they produce spirit children that grow and mature in the spiritual realm.

The first spirit born was Jesus.

Afterwards were born the devil and all other spirit creatures. After the spirit children are born to god and his goddess wife in heaven, they come down and entered into the bodies of human babies that are being born on earth. During this �compression' into the infant state, the memories of their pre-existence is 'veiled.' All people were, according to Mormonism, born in heaven first and then on earth where they are to grow, learn, and return to god. (this has similarities to the dakite heresies)

God the father, who is called Elohim, was concerned for the future salvation of the people on earth. In the heavenly realm, the Father had a plan for the salvation of the world. Jesus endorsed the Father's plan. Lucifer did not. Lucifer became jealous and rebelled. In his rebellion he convinced a large portion of the spirits existing in heaven to side with him and oppose god. God being more powerful then they, cursed these rebellious spirits to become demons.

The remaining spirits sided with God. Since they chose the better way, when it comes time for them to live on earth, they have the privilege of being born in races and locations that are relative to their condition and choice made in the spirit realm.

In the Mormon plan of salvation there needed to be a savior: Jesus. But Jesus was a spirit in heaven. For him to be born on earth, Brigham Young the second prophet of the Mormon church said that instead of letting any other man do it, God the Father did it with Mary. He said that the birth of our savior was as natural as the birth of our parents.

Essentially, what this means is that god the father came down and had sexual relations with Mary, his spirit daughter, to produce the body of Jesus. Jesus, then, was born, got married, and had children. He died on the cross and paid for sins not on the cross only, but in the garden of Gethsemane before he went to the cross.

Mormon men and women have the potential of becoming gods. President Lorenzo Snow said, "As god once was, man is. As God is, man may become." In order to reach this exalted state a person must first become a good Mormon, pay a full ten percent tithe to the Mormon church, follow various laws and ordinances of the church, and be found worthy. Afterwards, he or she can enter a Mormon temple and go through secret rituals: baptism for the dead, celestial marriage, and various oaths of secrecy and commitment. Additionally, four secret handshakes are taught so the believing Mormon, upon entering the third level of Mormon heaven, can shake hands with god in a certain pattern. This celestial ritual is for the purpose of permitting entrance into that level of heaven.

For those who achieve this highest of heavens, exaltation to godhood awaits them. Then, he or she, will be permitted to have his or her own planet and be the god of his own world and the Mormon system will be expanded to other planets.

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