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Date Posted: 12:48:19 02/27/01 Tue
Author: Kris
Subject: And if she was a Holland....
In reply to: Kris 's message, "Hmmmmmmmmmm" on 11:50:30 02/22/01 Thu

She was related to King Richard II on his mother's side. His mother being Joan, The Fair Maid of Kent, who was married to a Holland prior to the macho Black Prince falling head over armour for her (much to his father Edward III's consternation). Alianor could have been an inlaw of Richard's or a half cousin, I am not sure. However as the nobility was notoriously inbred she was prolly a relative somewhere along the line. : )
The source I quoted from indicated that it was either late in 1398 or early 1399, but as Mom has the book right now I can't recheck it for a bit!
As for Eleanor of Acquitaine, that woman was quite the headstrong vixen. In 1146 her first husband Louis VII of France decided to go on a crusade, she decided to go along with him. The Pope had declared that no women were to go
( I suspect he was thinking more of camp followers and prostitutes)so Eleanor had a male suit of clothes made complete with gold buskins and a plumed helmet made for her! This way she went as a male! (Source: Warrior Queens by Antonia Fraser)

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Family relations sometimes are generally a bit difficult to trace in medieval Europe -- Alie, 18:29:01 02/27/01 Tue
- Thereisnt much I wouldnt put past the Plantagenets -- Kris, 06:03:18 02/28/01 Wed
  - Well, I would feel much more stupid to discuss THAT topic -- Alie, 00:42:19 03/01/01 Thu
    - I think I was mixing my queens again. -- Kris, 05:02:42 03/01/01 Thu
      - Overdosed on queens, huh? -- Alie, 08:33:09 03/01/01 Thu
        Yes, that is what I have gathered.... -- Kris, 11:43:37 03/01/01 Thu
    - Actually Isabella married the SON of the man she was betrothed to when she met John. The Hugh she married was Hugh jr so to speak : ) (NT) -- Kris, 10:43:57 03/02/01 Fri
      - There is quite a mix-up in sources as to who is who. -- Alie, 20:17:09 03/02/01 Fri
        Now that itw isn't any longer competition voy takes over all those quirks? -- Alie, 20:22:50 03/02/01 Fri
      - Found it! -- Alie, 21:00:33 03/05/01 Mon
        I will check it out. Medieval genealogy is kinda like reading while on a REAL bad trip... everything twist around! -- Kris, 06:30:41 03/07/01 Wed
        I stumbled on some paper that gave several names for Isabella G. It didn't click with me then, but maybe I can find it again. If I remember right - not sure about that - one of the names was Hawisa. Usually that's another form of Isabella, but it might be a contorted form of Alice (or the other way round) which sometimes is given as Adelicia. -- Alie, 19:50:21 03/07/01 Wed
        Hey, is itw around here??? -- Alie, 19:54:50 03/07/01 Wed

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