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Subject: Re: X to be at least 22 books?


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Date Posted: 21:35:07 07/13/03 Sun
In reply to: Marina 's message, "Re: X to be at least 22 books?" on 14:44:43 07/13/03 Sun

First of all, thank you for your insights on the Tower card.

>In my opinion, I don't think that there will be 21
>vols. of X. They seem to be in a real hurry to finish
>it, and what have they got left to do if the final
>battle is here?

There could be a volume of personal epilogues, just as each volume had a prologue for each character. Still, I am bound to agree that they seem to rush it and want to get over with the story. 21 volumes would nevertheless be more satisfying .... *pouts*

>Thanks for reminding me about the immaturity aspect of
>the Sun card. I had forgotten that. However, it isn't
>the same immaturity of the Fool card (which is really
>what Keiichi suggests to me), as it is near the end of
>the deck (major arcana, that is) and indicates that
>the Fool is near the end of their journey (the major
>arcana tell the story of the Fool and the lessons he
>learns through his journey through the cards).

The Fool is as much the beginning as the end of the journey. Sometimes he's interpreted as the divine spirit hovering over the waters in the very begining. (In the Cabala he is linked to the highest Sephiroth) While you can interpret him as simply foolish, or a carefree person without prejudices (if you are nicer), do not forget the fool and the madman often go hand in hand. Madness everywhere has been linked with the divine, in old times divinators often suffered from mental illnesses; the Fool by some authors is connected with divination and precognitive dreams. In this aspect, the card is completely unsuitable for Keiichi while it fits well for Saya. I think, the mermaid tangled in wreckage is only a poetic transformation of the fool at the edge of the cliff, it's such a sadly beautiful image, how could they not use it.

>I don't find the bullets on the Star card appropriate
>at all. As I said, tarot cards are all about visual
>interpretation, and such a jarring thing on a card
>that is supposed to be hope for peace or the future or
>whatever wouldn't really aid in a reading or fit
>symbolically. Of course, some people might like
>bullets in their interpretation. I just don't see it
>that way.

What's interesting about CLAMP's interpretation of the Star theme is that if you do not look closely it is a very peaceful card, earthy colours, rather dark, even the stars are not bright and glaring but slightly subdued in saturation. Only if you pay closer attention you will see the violent aspects and that the peaceful nature really is a dead and barren. I hope CLAMP turn the in-sleev designs into real cards and offer an interpretation guide, because I am very curious on an explanation for the odd symbolism of this card (though nothing will convince me a pelican with bullets makes sense.).

>I find it
>interesting that CLAMP changed some of the symbolism
>of the card. The cards, to me, seem to closely follow
>the Rider-Waite deck (of which I am most familiar),

They did in the beginning, but eventually loosened up. Also they did not copy the number-switch of Strength and Justice in the Rider-Waite deck. I suspect they started out with transforming the Rider-Waite cards but slowly started to develop their own symbolism.

>CLAMP drew him sitting in a chair, so I guess that
>visual symbolism doesn't precisely work anymore.

The more important symbolical difference of the card is that no longer a man and a woman are chained to his chair, but two women.

>I've never heard the Moon card interpreted as a loss
>of identity. That's different.

I read this specific interpretation of the moon spelled out in one book only, but it makes sense. Humans claim the moon has a very strong influence on them and nature. It has been used in many stories and on many occasions to explain odd, fey behaviour (reaching its peak in the werewolf myth in which a person completely looses his identity when transforming into a wolf), much rumoured about moon craziness being one of them. Dogs and cats tend to become uneasy in the presence of the full moon, many people tend to sleep badly having odd dreams or a strange perception of the world when they are insomniac (at least that happens to me). The tides give the sea a new face in a matter of hours and there still is the menstrual cycle which is said to make women extra cranky during some days of the month, not necessarily a loss of identity, yet a temporary switch of character still.

Perhaps, a temporary loss of identity would nail it down more precisely.

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