Like I keep saying writing showing signs of DID... in those powerful, riveting jailhouse scenes T&B (and I do mean T&B not BnT) were actually delving into the "root of distrust" VERSUS BnT which is strictly SPDs & THE "setup" ruined their relationship. I'm not fan of T&B but I can stomach that story far better than BnT. -- At The Bayberry

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Date Posted: 14:48:39 03/17/01 Sat
Author: Pilar
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Like I keep saying writing showing signs of DID... in those powerful, riveting jailhouse scenes T&B (and I do mean T&B not BnT) were actually delving into the "root of distrust" VERSUS BnT which is strictly SPDs & THE "setup" ruined their relationship. I'm not fan of T&B but I can stomach that story far better than BnT.
In reply to: Elisa 's message, "Why should Todd "trust" someone who isn't even sorry for anything bad she's ever done and therefore doomed to repeat it? And this whole thing would probably be watchable for me if it wasn't being written from Blair's perspective. If Todd would just TELL her that he can't trust her because she never feels bad or takes any responsibility for what she does, if he would just TELL her that Max couldn't have scammed them if SHE hadn't let him in." on 14:39:41 03/17/01 Sat

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And Pilar, notice how Blair says TODD set her up. She said to Todd something like, I could go to prison for 20 years because you set me up. She's not even blaming Max. She's blaming Todd for the whole thing. (NT) -- Elisa, 14:52:24 03/17/01 Sat
- Elisa, the writing has been highly inconsistent ITA... however, Blair continually gets painted as unable or unwilling to accept a lick of responsibility or show any remorse for her lies/betrayals. Just like I don't buy Gina's spin/lies, I don't have to buy the crap that issues from Blair's mouth. Blair is NOT a voice of truth on this show, never has been. (NT) -- Pilar, 15:05:48 03/17/01 Sat
  - Btw, between Roger's youthful looks, recent juvenile acting & writing paint Todd a "fool"... I find Todd coming across far more innocent, far LESS jaded & dark than Blair these days. He comes across more sympathetic creature, Poor Todd, I HATE that. (NT) -- Pilar, 15:10:12 03/17/01 Sat
    - I guess whether or not Blair is the voice of truth is a matter of opinion, since I know almost every word out of her mouth is BS, but there are plenty of people out there who see everything from her perspective. Of course if I had more will-power and stopped visiting other boards, at least I wouldn't have to hear Blair's BS coming out of so many viewers' keyboards. (NT) -- Elisa, 15:36:37 03/17/01 Sat
      - Haven't a clue how "many" or numbers of those "plenty" who see it from Blair's perspective or NOT. I can only speak from own experience, a B&Ber I talk to are just fed up w/Blair & Lindsay types getting away w/everything & never accepting blame for their actions. Offline Todd fans I speak w/are rolling their eyes at her "poor me" crap. (NT) -- Pilar, 09:14:28 03/18/01 Sun
        Elisa, I take ANY of �vocal online minority� spins w/a HUGE grain of salt especially after hearing they were lauding Kassie as an Emmy worthy actress! MAJORITY out there sure doesn�t think so, including her peers, as she�s never once been nominated! LOL! �LindaBlair� act was way over the top example of Kassie not understanding the word �subtle is better.� My point is I�ve learned talking to offliners that �online soap community� doesn�t always well-represent majority! (NT) -- Pilar, 09:41:45 03/18/01 Sun
        Pilar, I'd like to think you're right as to the quantity of people who are enjoying this stuff being very small. I get the impression from just the internet that a lot of ToddFirsters as well as most TnTers and even some of the more Todd-oriented T&Bers aren't loving this. As for offline fans, I only know my mother. She quit watching with me on 12/1/98 and tuned in for one scene when he returned in 6/00, thought the new version of Todd was just a jerk and hasn't watched since. (NT) -- Elisa, 14:29:52 03/18/01 Sun
        Elisa, I don't think it's a coincidence that "Hell No" was only spike in ratings in months of heavily promoted BnT NOR that Roger's ONLY critical acclaim from mags was for specter & Hell No weeks. I think those are CONCRETE signs Todd focused story w/depth rates much higher with MOST OLTL viewers than BnT crap. (NT) -- Pilar, 16:58:49 03/18/01 Sun
        I heard spin only TnTers were flooding soap mags w/anti-BnT letters but I still haven't gotten answered why then did SOD report calls for Todd & Skye!? Never bought only TnTers are unhappy, I'm definitely a Toddaholic, knows others like myself who have watched Todd thru ALL his pairings yet are tuning out. And overall show sucks so much nothing except Cris & Jen do I find bearable. (NT) -- Pilar, 17:06:30 03/18/01 Sun
        Elisa, I said it in January & will again now this story is wrecking Todd's popularity/appeal. Sad to see b/c for a couple of weeks including some riveting T&B jailhouse scenes, I think there was lots of positive buzz for Roger/Todd. (NT) -- Pilar, 17:09:31 03/18/01 Sun
        Pilar... I know that I am a "biased" TnTer, but I can certainly attest to the fact that "BnTrash" has definitely wrecked Todd's appeal for moi, the Todd phenom is no more, not HERE, not with ME! (NT) -- jackie, 03:56:50 03/19/01 Mon
    - I guess the worst part is that it appears TODD buys into her blaming him for everything. One of the best examples of why they're not at all alike. Todd deep inside blames himself for everything, even stuff that is not his fault, whereas Blair feels guilty about nothing, and always puts the responsibility of her actions and the results of them on other people, especially Todd, probably because she knows he'll accept the guilt., whereas people like Max would just laugh it off. (NT) -- Elisa, 15:41:14 03/17/01 Sat
      - Yes, Max does and would laugh it off and then throw it back in her face evoking passionate response from Blair. Why she "supposedly loves" Todd is she CAN control him, vs Max who has NEVER been under her heel. (NT) -- Pilar, 09:09:41 03/18/01 Sun