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Date Posted: 09:57:19 05/29/03 Thu
Author: Ghanima
Subject: You still haven't proven anything to me
In reply to: Crysknife 's message, "absolutly he had other memory." on 21:58:28 05/28/03 Wed

The things you guys are saying about Paul and Leto being anomalies unexpected by the BG are obviously true. But you still haven't come up with a single example from the text that says to me that Paul had access to other memory. I do not believe that he did. He takes the water of life to better see the future. He accomplishes that. He does not ever say anything about having these male "other memories."
He alludes to having a psychic connection with his mother and/or the BG ("try looking into the place you dare not look, and you will find me there looking back at you!" or something along those lines, or was that from the movie?) This does not mean he has other memory per se. Leto II never mentions anything about his father having other memory. The BGs in Heretics and Chapterhouse never mention it. I just don't see it, I think you guys are making an assumption that can't be proven. You are going to have to do better than that if you're going to convince me...

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Check this out. -- theButterfly, 14:22:00 05/29/03 Thu
- Thanks, and I still stand by what I said before -- Ghanima, 16:52:19 05/29/03 Thu
  - Ghanima -- Crysknife, 20:52:47 05/29/03 Thu
    - Pre-born? -- G-Lock, 22:12:41 05/29/03 Thu
      - Well.... -- Crysknife, 23:06:33 05/29/03 Thu
        You are right. And Paul has all the abilities of a Reverend Mother I am sure -- IDAHO, 02:35:22 05/30/03 Fri
    - You are right Crysknife...the only thing I can think of is... -- IDAHO, 02:25:32 05/30/03 Fri
  - Well Ghanima...why do you assume then that the bene Gesserit intended the "real" Kwisatz Haderach to have other memory -- IDAHO, 02:17:44 05/30/03 Fri
    - IDAHO -- Crysknife, 09:08:13 05/30/03 Fri
      - Other memory is NOT TOTAL RECALL -- RavensZim, 05:58:07 06/01/03 Sun
        ??? -- Crysknife, 12:19:15 06/01/03 Sun
        So for every person the strength of OM is different, but Paul DEFINITELY had it -- IDAHO, 13:52:23 06/01/03 Sun