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Date Posted: 12:48:29 10/26/05 Wed
Author: Sophist
Subject: Two points make a line, but do they make a paradigm?
In reply to: Sunshine 's message, "Re: The Central Metaphor for Evil" on 09:53:12 10/26/05 Wed

Willow had had a long history of abusing her powers for her own personal gain, from creating a spell so she and Xander would not be attracted in season 3 to initially looking to a spell to handle the Willow/Oz/Veruca triangle in season 4.

Hmm. I don't know that 2 examples qualifies as "a long history of abuse", especially since she didn't follow through on either one.

I agree that abuse of power would have made a much better storyline. I don't think we need to look for any elaborate backstory on that either; increasing power alone works very well as the basis for abuse.

The whole "there is always a price to pay for magic" paradigm was well established

Can you give an example from S1-S5? There were, I'd wager, dozens of spells cast in those 100 episodes, but I don't recall any established theme that magic involves a price.

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Re: Two points make a line, but do they make a paradigm? -- Sunshine, 14:33:00 10/26/05 Wed
- No need to get all researchy -- Sophist, 16:00:08 10/26/05 Wed
  - For argument's sake... -- manwitch, 16:55:48 10/26/05 Wed
  - Re: No need to get all researchy -- Sunshine, 17:27:40 10/26/05 Wed
    - I generally agree with you -- Sophist, 17:42:53 10/26/05 Wed
      - Re: I generally agree with you -- Sunshine, 17:53:44 10/26/05 Wed
Free Lunches -- Celebaelin, 14:50:00 10/26/05 Wed
- I was making a somewhat different point -- Sophist, 16:20:27 10/26/05 Wed
  - Re: I was making a somewhat different point -- Celebaelin, 18:20:33 10/26/05 Wed
    - Re: I was making a somewhat different point -- Sunshine, 19:12:03 10/26/05 Wed
      - Laws of physics -- Sophist, 19:43:44 10/26/05 Wed
      - Re: I was making a somewhat different point -- MaeveRigan, 05:17:09 10/30/05 Sun
  - A couple of things about this -- manwitch, 04:35:33 10/27/05 Thu
    - And just to clarify the point about Spike's statement... -- manwitch, 04:48:33 10/27/05 Thu
      - Not forgetting (which obviously I was)... -- Celebaelin, 08:23:46 10/27/05 Thu
      - Cause and consequence -- Sophist, 08:41:42 10/27/05 Thu
        Re: Cause and consequence -- manwitch, 09:49:49 10/27/05 Thu
        Re: Cause and consequence -- Sophist, 10:58:21 10/27/05 Thu
        In my spare time -- Celebaelin, 12:21:01 10/27/05 Thu
        I think you just proved too much -- Sophist, 12:52:51 10/27/05 Thu
        Re: surrection -- Celebaelin, 13:38:44 10/27/05 Thu
        Some quick counterexamples -- Sophist, 13:58:58 10/27/05 Thu
        And my counter -- Celebaelin, 14:27:37 10/27/05 Thu
        Why a scythe -- Sunshine, 14:54:03 10/27/05 Thu
        Re: Why a scythe - translation problem ? -- Rich, 18:15:23 10/28/05 Fri
        Or -- Celebaelin, 03:25:30 10/29/05 Sat
        Re: Or -- Jane, 15:57:14 10/29/05 Sat
        True, but... -- Celebaelin, 16:10:45 10/29/05 Sat
        Re: Or -- manwitch, 04:46:07 10/31/05 Mon
        Holistic links -- Celebaelin, 05:03:12 10/31/05 Mon
        Coup de grass! Whilst we're OT -- Celebaelin, 15:13:03 10/27/05 Thu
        Re: Coup de grass! Whilst we're OT -- Sunshine, 17:25:45 10/27/05 Thu
        Flaws in your counter -- Sophist, 15:44:07 10/27/05 Thu
        Re: Flaws in your counter -- Sophist, 15:45:08 10/27/05 Thu
        Dancing lights and Faerie fire -- Celebaelin, 16:58:04 10/27/05 Thu
        Re: Dancing lights and Faerie fire -- MarkM, 03:33:57 10/31/05 Mon
        Emphasis -- Celebaelin, 05:30:15 10/31/05 Mon
        Re: Emphasis -- MarkM, 05:32:18 11/01/05 Tue
        Certainty -- Celebaelin, 06:17:29 11/02/05 Wed
        Agreed. (NT) -- Sophist, 08:40:34 10/31/05 Mon
Re: Two points make a line, but do they make a paradigm? -- Sunshine, 10:25:41 10/27/05 Thu
- Addiction and responsibility -- Sophist, 12:39:25 10/27/05 Thu
  - Is being a drunk a mitigating factor in my sentencing? -- manwitch, 12:56:21 10/27/05 Thu
    - I like your suggestion very much. Thanks. (NT) -- Sophist, 13:25:50 10/27/05 Thu
  - Re: Addiction and responsibility -- Sunshine, 13:08:07 10/27/05 Thu
    - Re: Addiction and responsibility -- Sophist, 13:38:21 10/27/05 Thu
      - Speaking of Xander... -- Sophist, 15:30:04 10/27/05 Thu
        Bastard Xander -- manwitch, 09:45:31 10/28/05 Fri
        Completely agree. -- Sophist, 10:06:24 10/28/05 Fri
        Re: Bastard Xander -- Sunshine, 11:23:27 10/28/05 Fri
        The term you are looking for is "whore chasing" -- manwitch, 11:58:24 10/28/05 Fri
        Re: The term you are looking for is "whore chasing" -- Sunshine, 12:33:35 10/28/05 Fri
        To me, the first question is.... -- Sophist, 13:15:16 10/28/05 Fri
        Re: To me, the first question is.... -- Sunshine, 13:43:27 10/28/05 Fri
        I have rewatched the scene -- Sunshine, 17:25:14 10/28/05 Fri
        Re: I have rewatched the scene -- Sophist, 18:12:38 10/28/05 Fri
        Re: I have rewatched the scene -- Sunshine, 18:47:53 10/28/05 Fri
        Re: I have rewatched the scene -- Sophist, 19:29:01 10/28/05 Fri
        Re: I have rewatched the scene -- Sunshine, 20:38:56 10/28/05 Fri
        I do. (NT) -- Sophist, 21:05:21 10/28/05 Fri
        I'm gonna swallow my tears... -- manwitch, 13:59:07 10/28/05 Fri
        Re: I'm gonna swallow my tears... -- Sunshine, 14:21:23 10/28/05 Fri
        Riley's choices were also somewhat limited, however -- Finn Mac Cool, 11:42:28 10/31/05 Mon
        Re: Riley's choices were also somewhat limited, however -- Sunshine, 12:32:38 10/31/05 Mon
        Interesting point -- Xander was echoing Spike's advice on love -- Sophist, 12:48:44 10/31/05 Mon
        Re: Interesting point -- Xander was echoing Spike's advice on love -- Finn Mac Cool, 21:22:46 10/31/05 Mon
        Re: Riley's choices were also somewhat limited, however -- Celebaelin, 12:38:01 10/31/05 Mon
        Oh, and he was a convenient, low maintainance, relaxing sexual partner (NT) -- Celebaelin, 12:50:33 10/31/05 Mon
        But consider the context of what Buffy is going through -- manwitch, 14:10:51 10/31/05 Mon
        Stressful times -- Celebaelin, 14:26:49 10/31/05 Mon
        very funny -- manwitch, 13:47:04 11/01/05 Tue
        Re: very funny -- Finn Mac Cool, 17:04:51 11/01/05 Tue
        I think your analogy is too favorable to Riley -- Sophist, 17:55:42 11/01/05 Tue
        Re: I think your analogy is too favorable to Riley -- Finn Mac Cool, 20:45:49 11/01/05 Tue
        Suck jobs -- Celebaelin, 05:15:14 11/02/05 Wed
        Re: Suck jobs -- manwitch, 05:43:39 11/02/05 Wed
        Zed's dead (NT) -- Celebaelin, 06:26:18 11/02/05 Wed
        There is a certain Owenosity about him -- Sophist, 08:30:56 11/02/05 Wed
        Re: There is a certain Owenosity about him -- Finn Mac Cool, 11:31:22 11/02/05 Wed
        Our difference is just too fundamental I guess -- manwitch, 05:25:03 11/02/05 Wed
        Re: Our difference is just too fundamental I guess -- Finn Mac Cool, 11:47:03 11/02/05 Wed
        Re: Our difference is just too fundamental I guess -- Sunshine, 12:06:49 11/02/05 Wed
        Oops, screwed up the italics - was suppoesed to be -- Sunshine, 12:08:49 11/02/05 Wed
        Boy or toy? -- Celebaelin, 06:07:55 11/02/05 Wed
        Buffy is better off without Riley -- manwitch, 06:19:22 11/02/05 Wed
        SG orgy -- Celebaelin, 06:33:42 11/02/05 Wed
        Re: SG orgy -- manwitch, 09:00:40 11/02/05 Wed
        Xander is Buffy? -- Sunshine, 11:11:31 11/02/05 Wed
        I didn't write that (NT) -- Hini Nar, 16:10:22 11/02/05 Wed
    - Buffy's attitude -- Rich, 17:41:05 10/28/05 Fri

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