VoyForums

VoyUser Login optional ] [ Contact Forum Admin ] [ Main index ] [ Post a new message ] [ Search | Check update time | Archives: 1234567 ]


[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

Date Posted: 08:52:10 08/14/16 Sun
Author: rex peatram
Subject: DK Pittsburgh Sports

Enjoying reading the back and forth on our lad Dejan.

Wanted to post some observations, but first thing: He is an outstanding writer. Yeah, he is a jagoff of the highest order, immodest, self aggrandizing, thin-skinned and rude. But, that is secondary to the fact that he is the best sports columnist in town. And, no one comes close. His ability to boil down the emotions and detail with documenting the event in a creative and intelligent way is great. (Hey, maybe the rest of the sports reporters in this burg are just mediocre? Makes him seem better?) Regardless, I feel I have been rewarded several times for reading his stuff, and the cost of his site is worth the pocket change.

When he started his own site out of nowhere, I was averse to PAYING. (But, I am averse to paying anyway!) If there was an alternative for good / critical Pgh sports coverage, I would like to know. Anyone? I am open! Let's hear it...(Ron Cook?!) ((Really...anyone??))

1) reading some of the dissenters' messages on this site, I find it entertaining. And, I BELIEVE the snide comments. I don't get the bashing of DK as a journalist though.

2) His site was MUCH BETTER when it was simply him covering / opining on events all by his lonesome

3) His site is tough to read now, spread too thin

4) If I am on it to read DK himself, I am truly disappointed as he writes SO RARELY now (and no, I don't really care about Olympic columns, but I will read them [I guess...])

5) Josh Yohe is a fine reporter, and he has had some good insight/exclusives on the Pens of course, but he is no columnist!

6) "Good Dudes" started as a nice idea, with DK sharing some insider info about someone we hoi polloi probably didn't know that much about, or how that guy was really...a "good dude" after all. Josh has KILLED it with non-stop Penguin guys. Zamboni guy = good dude

7) Firing staff happens everywhere I suppose, but DK's management style MUST suck, it just is too frequent, it is not normal. Some people are born to lead, some are not.

8) Neal Coolong did a great job in my opinion, I enjoyed the depth of detail. That was a bewildering situation. His replacement was not only vanilla but also mediocre.

9) That said, the 3 reporters covering the big 3 college programs are impressing me. They are at least equal to the local rags.

10) I am pleasantly surprised by Matt Gajtka. He actually can WRITE.

11) I cannot stand DK's hype for the "new" reporter, website, sponsor, or brick. He is a TERRIBLE huckster, and while a credible reporter, he has zero gravitas as a promoter. He praises incredibly, then

12) Has no problem throwing you under a bus when he has used you. Coolong, Saunders, old website developer, Wickerham, etc. So weird and I dunno, Trump like

13) Personal anecdote: Early on with his new site, I offered my help on a few things, gratis. He was so appreciative he offered to pay me, which was very nice, but not expected. Everything was hunky dory. I took it more seriously as I was getting paid. Then, at the time I would get my check after a few months had passed, no check. And, a short email saying they couldn't pay me. Which would be fine, but it was AFTER I did a whole unpaid month's worth of work. I wouldn't even care, but you should tell me BEFORE I do the work, not after. (Amateur hour)

14) Met the man one time. Not a people person.

15) But, let's be fair...that takes big cajones to give up a relatively secure job to go off on your own into the big blue yonder. I give respect to the entrepreneurial spirit.
--------------------------------------------

And, again...a fine, fine sports columnist

[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]


Replies:

[> Re: DK Pittsburgh Sports -- A Casual Observer, 05:26:33 08/15/16 Mon [1]

Great post. I agree with you on the fact that he is a good journalist. He is. Sometimes he lays on the schmaltz a bit too thick, but that's just my personal taste. The dude has chops, no doubt.

Have a couple of things to comment on, so i"ll put the #s corresponding to your comments with my comment

#7 - to me this is my biggest gripe. There is no way that anyone, with any level of business acumen and experience, should EVER fire someone via a text message. I mean, there is just no excuse for that. I get that he's a startup, and startups need to move quickly and can't afford to be saddled with what the owner sees as something holding them back. but, come on. Have human decency. Also, put more thought into your hires beforehand.

#8 - agree 100%. Coolong to me was a shining example of "new media' (disclosure - I work in independent media myself). Knowledgeable about the game. I believe that for as much as DK rails against newspapers, he prefers newspaper-type guys on the big beats (he looks down on the Pirates - considering them the third most popular beat - which is why Gajtka has been able to stick around)

#10 - Yep. Has a good way of breaking down complicated concepts

#11 - also a big gripe. I think instead of hiring a social media person, he should have hired a stright up marketer who could also dip a toe into social

#12 - BIG issue for me. The way he TRASHED Saunders when the website crashed was incredibly unprofessional. Keep somethings behind closed doors. won't hurt. Communicate to your audience what is going on, professionally, and then leave it at that.

#13 - I would LOVE to hear more detail about this :)

#14 - See no. 13 :)

#15 - agree. I am in the process of doing the same thing; I admire it.


I'll also add that another thing that bugs me is the way he talks down to his paying subscribers. Whether it's on twitter, or the comments on his site, he will absolutely spar with them. While I would not expect nor want him to be a pansy or a pushover, some of the interaction is really strange.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[ Edit | View ]



[> Re: DK Pittsburgh Sports -- REALLY?, 06:05:17 08/15/16 Mon [1]

Nice to see someone was recruited to defend him, despite all the disclaimers. I figured it would just be a matter of time. Thanks for sharing.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[ Edit | View ]



[> Re: DK Pittsburgh Sports -- The Cheap Seats, 06:31:07 08/15/16 Mon [1]

He can write a good column - especially capturing the emotional part. I give you that much. But....

As I grew to dislike the person, I could not read his columns without needing to critique every little point that seemed unsubstantiated or just not true. It's called nitpicking and I became very good at it so why would I want to use up my time, effort, energy in going after a local columnist who I grew to dislike immensely so I ended my subscription.

If I were doing work for him and he allowed me to keep doing that work without informing me I was no longer a paid employee and it took me to find out why, I could never give him a penny again, no matter how much I enjoyed his work. He's not that good and even if you rationalized he is that good, on principle he would get nothing from me again.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[ Edit | View ]



[> Re: DK Pittsburgh Sports -- RobertoSan, 08:59:00 08/15/16 Mon [1]

I agree. He is a good columnist who has actually had some balls to go out on his own and do this. And startups in any field can be ruthless in dealing with employees. I work in IT and what happens at DK pales next to the stuff that happened to many good collegues in some of the companies I worked at.

THe only thing I cannot stand are those readers who go over the top in praising him and actually say crap like "tears are rolling down my face and falling on my keyboard as I read your column". I barely noticed the brick thing because I thought it was actually a typo when I saw the price on the site. I still do not understand who the hell buys DK T Shirts???

The Olympics columns are engaging. Definitely better than the coverage we are getting at the postgazette or trib.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[ Edit | View ]



[> Re: DK Pittsburgh Sports -- Jeff, 12:18:30 08/15/16 Mon [1]

Agree with almost all of this. I subscribed, essentially, to read DK on the Steelers. I really liked Coolong as well, indeed I still read most of his stuff, but I worry that by the end of this season, the site will be so little of DK-Steelers that it wont be worth renewing.

I absolutely have no desire to read the Olympic columns. I'm sure it's a great little trip for him, getting to see Rio, but I'd be much happier if it were him at Latrobe giving me reports on what is going on with preseason.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[ Edit | View ]



[> Re: DK Pittsburgh Sports -- rex peatram (happy, sad, The Joyful, etc...), 20:28:47 08/15/16 Mon [1]

Maybe this should be on a separate thread, but directed at y'all, especially you who goes by "REALLY?" above, If there was an alternative for good / critical Pgh sports coverage, I would like to know. Anyone? I am open! Let's hear it...(Ron Cook?!) Am I missing someone, because I would like to enjoy some good sports opinion scribble.

I think most of us agree that he is a good writer.

And, I don't really care that he is disliked, thin-skinned, prickly, whatever. (It does distract when he is so UBER defensive in comments!) But, I also don't care for Mick Jagger or Ben Roethlisberger either, but I can admire their work (and cheer them on, as long as I don't need to hug them). Is that what psychology calls "compartmentalization" ? I can't remember, but it sounds good.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[ Edit | View ]


[> [> Re: DK Pittsburgh Sports -- The Reality?, 05:09:03 08/16/16 Tue [1]

I think the DK Kool-Aid drinkers, like their hero, are very sensitive to any criticism here and the implication is someone is "encouraging" defenders to come over here and plead his case since DK and friends appear to be so utterly insecure.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[ Edit | View ]

[> [> Re: DK Pittsburgh Sports -- REALLY?, 12:32:48 08/16/16 Tue [1]

Some people are just uncritical. They're happy with anything and don't care how something is run. It's like those who say a mediocre newspaper is better than none. We're supposed to be lucky to have two mediocre papers. Some would say that. Same applies to DK and of course, to his ego.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[ Edit | View ]


[> Re: DK Pittsburgh Sports -- The Cheap Seats, 07:00:17 08/16/16 Tue [1]

DK is not head and shoulders above Collier, Starkey, Zeise, Cook.

Maybe you like him better but those four are competent enough to keep my money in my pocket. I will argue that no one in this town holds a candle to Collier.

As a former subscriber, I do not miss the site at all. Between news updates in the car from The Fan, which would alert me to breaking news, and then the Trib and PG online versions, my sports appetite is satisfied and to be honest, my life is better without reading and participating in the DK comments section of every article.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[ Edit | View ]



[> Re: DK Pittsburgh Sports -- RobertoSan, 18:17:55 08/16/16 Tue [1]

The new guy Dustin is off to a bland start so far. Really bad timing for a change of beat writer because what I see from him so far is standard newspaper writeup type stuff. No real insight yet. it's not really his fault as it takes time to build relationships. But so far, the timing sucks because this has been one eventful offseason for the Steelers and DK 'z site has not been able to give it that extra attention.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[ Edit | View ]


[> [> Re: DK Pittsburgh Sports -- Third Brick, 06:50:09 08/17/16 Wed [1]

Why do you think he ran off to the Olympics? The less he writes about the Steelers, the less chance of being exposed.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[ Edit | View ]

[> [> Re: DK Pittsburgh Sports -- The Cheap Seats, 11:57:45 08/17/16 Wed [1]

Big difference between covering college sports ( Univ Tenn) as compared to the NFL and the Steelers. If you listened to DK when he announced his hiring, it was like he was adding Peter King to the staff. But that is his schtick - he acted like Jason Mackey was head and shoulders better than Coolong and keep going back thru all the hires, that is what he does and his fandom just sucks it up.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[ Edit | View ]


[> To his credit, DK brought up Lochte controversy earlier than most -- RobertoSan, 19:10:15 08/17/16 Wed [1]

He got some resistance from readers for insinuating something was off in the conflicting stories of Lochte vs teammates vs authorities.

I will give him full credit for his Olympics coverage.

And I give him full blame for missing the boat on the most eventful offseason in recent Steelers history.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[ Edit | View ]


[> [> Re: To his credit, DK brought up Lochte controversy earlier than most -- A Casual Observer, 01:28:17 08/18/16 Thu [1]

Good for DK. Did he serve his readers with the Lochte coverage? No.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> Re: To his credit, DK brought up Lochte controversy earlier than most -- RobertoSan, 05:12:16 08/18/16 Thu [1]

I am one of those that feels like DK stretches the blogs focus a little too thin with all the minor college coverage. I give him a pass on the Riverhounds(?) coverage even if I feel like it is a waste of my two seconds of having to skip those articles because they help pay the bills.

Still, did he serve his readers with the Lochte coverage? I would say , yes. At this point, I am more interested in the Olympics than the Pirates even if the Pirates are doing their best to make it close enough to regret their unfocused wasted opportunities in Milwaukee, Atlanta, Cinci.

I still roll my eyes over his Starbucks fixation. But I guess some readers can't get enough of that stuff.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> Readers do benefit (Re: To his credit, DK brought up Lochte controversy earlier than most) -- AdMan, 11:08:57 08/18/16 Thu [1]

I'm in the ad business - not a DK sub and never will be.

From a biz perspective, covering the Games is a smart long time move. He will get bigger name advertisers and more ad $ in the long term. Increased $ can serve his readers by enabling him to provide better coverage.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> [> Re: Readers do benefit (Re: To his credit, DK brought up Lochte controversy earlier than most) -- Practical Man, 03:40:51 08/19/16 Fri [1]

Disagree totally. His audience is fans who follow Pittsburgh sports. The Olympics are not a big deal to them. If they have an interest, they can find the information elsewhere, starting with NBC.

This is a huge expense that can't be justified. Olympic coverage isn't going to get him more subscribers or more renewals. It's just an ego trip for the founder, whose junket comes at the expense of the local coverage his subscribers thought they were buying.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> [> [> Re: Readers do benefit (Re: To his credit, DK brought up Lochte controversy earlier than most) -- Media Man, 07:20:55 08/19/16 Fri [1]

"he will get bigger name advertisers???" HOW??? His readers are local Pittsburgh Sports fans who care mainly about.....(You guessed it) PITTSBURGH SPORTS. You think him covering the Olympics is going to get Budweiser to come calling and pay top dollar to market to his....what is it now...25,000 subscribers?? I thought you said you were in the ad business???

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> [> [> Re: Readers do benefit (Re: To his credit, DK brought up Lochte controversy earlier than most) -- AdMan, 07:57:02 08/19/16 Fri [1]

I have spent by entire career in advertising, I do know what I'm talking about in the area of advertising.

From the advertising perspective, he will get better sponsors and more $ by covering the Olympics in the long run.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Readers do benefit (Re: To his credit, DK brought up Lochte controversy earlier than most) -- Media Man, 08:31:42 08/20/16 Sat [1]

You've spent your entire career in advertising? Wow. So where is your part-time gig at?
He covers LOCAL teams for a small group of local readers. You know who they are valuable to? LOCAL ADVERTISERS. This Olympics coverage was nothing more than an ego trip for DK. Business wise it makes no sense but it does enable him to come out and brag "we were the only local media to be onsite in Rio. None of the newspapers were there." Good for you DK, but these vain decisions are what will drive him out of business.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Readers do benefit (Re: To his credit, DK brought up Lochte controversy earlier than most) -- AdMan, 15:54:44 08/21/16 Sun [1]

You simply do not know what you are talking about.

Advertisers are willing to pay more money for outlets that provide in-person coverage outside the local area. It really is as simple as that. You can argue over whether advertisers should think this way, but it's an advertising fact of the business.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Readers do benefit (Re: To his credit, DK brought up Lochte controversy earlier than most) -- Willy Loman, 04:05:12 08/22/16 Mon [1]

You're insane, and you never worked in the ad business. (Taking classifieds over the phone for the Green Sheet doesn't qualify). You're some naive fanboy who thinks that advertisers will overlook reams of data about circulation, demographics and other viable research and make a buy based on whether a website had a dateline from an event that didn't matter to its readers.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[ Edit | View ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Re: Readers do benefit (Re: To his credit, DK brought up Lochte controversy earlier than most) -- Media Man, 07:24:46 08/22/16 Mon [1]

This isn't really hard to understand. DK has what, 25K subscribers? Safe to say the majority (not all) are in the 412 or 724. Just checked his site...don't see any ads at all, save for an Allegheny Health Network ad (I clicked two or three pages too). So you're telling me that now AHN will now pay more because DK was in Rio? That's CRAZY. It's all about WEB TRAFFIC and it doesn't matter how he gets it!!! and these "bigger customers" are in the practice of negotiating lower CPMs. Local customers are what his advertisers want. AGH doesn't really care about a transplanted lunatic who know lives in San Diego.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[ Edit | View ]


[> Re: DK Pittsburgh Sports -- Zero Worship, 07:38:45 08/19/16 Fri [1]

The blog of a mediocre sports writer in a secondary market really does not warrant this level of scrutiny, does it?

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[ Edit | View ]


[> [> Right you are! -- Teapot Tempest, 15:47:18 08/20/16 Sat [1]

I was thinking the same thing. You would think DK was some kind of Godzilla stomping through the region wreaking havoc instead of an ego-driven nonentity with delusions of grandeur. Pittsburgh sports people and journalists have little else on their minds but sports, sports talk, sports columnists and TV sports. Yakking about trivia like DK's latest hiring-firing revs their motors. They do the same thing in sports threads on the Pittsburgh Radio-TV Discussion Board. Of course, they have every right to do so. But to me, the stakes in this non-controversy seem low and miniscule.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[ Edit | View ]

[> [> Re: DK Pittsburgh Sports -- The Cheap Seats, 22:29:46 08/20/16 Sat [1]

Yes the scrutiny might be a bit much for his niche in pgh media but it illustrates perfectly why the scrutiny exists - he's full of himself with little to zero regard for others and due to that, he's ticked off a lot of people who like to freely criticize him.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[ Edit | View ]


[> Breakdown of local vs non locals? Re: DK Pittsburgh Sports -- RobertoSan, 11:26:47 08/21/16 Sun [1]

I wonder what the breakdown of out of town Pittsburgh fans vs locals is for sites like DK's?

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[ Edit | View ]





VoyUser Login ] Not required to post.
Post a public reply to this message | Go post a new public message
Note: This forum is moderated -- new posts are not visible until approved.
* HTML allowed in marked fields.
Message subject (required):

Name (required):

  Expression (Optional mood/title along with your name) Examples: (happy, sad, The Joyful, etc.) help)

  E-mail address (optional):

* Type your message here:


Note: This forum is moderated -- new posts are not visible until approved.

Notice: Copies of your message may remain on this and other systems on internet. Please be respectful.

[ Contact Forum Admin ]


Forum timezone: GMT-8
VF Version: 3.00b, ConfDB:
Before posting please read our privacy policy.
VoyForums(tm) is a Free Service from Voyager Info-Systems.
Copyright © 1998-2017 Voyager Info-Systems. All Rights Reserved.