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Date Posted: 19:43:02 04/20/03 Sun
Author: William
Author Host/IP: cache-dl04.proxy.aol.com / 205.188.209.40
Subject: Got to be politically correct, you know. It is fashionable to blame the US for everything. Don't blame the real cuplrits, in this case, the rabid masses of Iraqis with no respect and no self control!

Hey, Fisk, and all you other Arab and European anti-American liars, instigators, excuse makers, and placaters, wake up! Stop covering for the thugs. The US is not to blame for Iraqis and other Arab idiots! Blame them for their own lack of self control and for their rabid behavior. In the mean time, kiss my ass you idiots!
In reply to: SurveyGuy 's message, "This may explain a lot . . ." on 18:37:38 04/20/03 Sun


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[> [> Note that Fisk is described as "highly respected" and yet he is but a propagandist, not much different from the CNN crowd. I guess it takes very little to be respected these days. -- SurveyGuy, 20:03:52 04/20/03 Sun (pcp01422563pcs.lndsd201.pa.comcast.net/68.81.153.209)

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[> [> [> Well put, SurveyGuy. "respected" my left foot! Propagandist IS more like it! I don't understand what motivates these propagandists. Do you? If there were no more Great Britain and no more US, there would be a lot less "free speech" and a lot less "freedom". There would be more oppression and abuse and people would wish and pray that the US and Great Britain were still around to defend freedom and oppose fascism, Islamofascism, communism, socialism, etc. It won't be appreciated until it is gone. -- William, 20:17:57 04/20/03 Sun (cache-dl04.proxy.aol.com/205.188.209.40)

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[> [> [> [> Just to put you right, William. Tony Blair regards himself as a Socialist. To qoute from the Labour Party website "‘The Labour Party is a democratic socialist party. It believes that by the strength of our common endeavour we achieve more than we achieve alone, so as to create for each of us the means to realise our true potential and for all of us a community in which power, wealth and opportunity are in the hands of the many, not the few. Where the rights we enjoy reflect the duties we owe. And where we live together, freely, in a spirit of solidarity, tolerance and respect.’ -- Chris Henry, 06:39:50 04/21/03 Mon (NoHost/82.47.215.137)

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[> [> [> [> In contrast, Chirac occupies a similar part of the political spectrum to Bush. To quote Dick Morris of "The Hill", "Chirac is a man of the right. Elected by a coalition of Gaullists and neo-Gaullists, he has always cast himself as the adversary of socialism and the apostle of free markets". It's a complicated world when socialists support a war on Iraq and conservatives oppose it! -- Chris Henry, 07:32:55 04/21/03 Mon (NoHost/82.47.215.137)

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[> [> [> [> [> In Europe, liberal and conservative seem to mean the opposite of what they do here. "Socialism" has been so distorted that its meaning is no longer understood by those who speak or hear the term. In fact, socialism is closer to what is now called "capitalism." Strange indeed. What we call capitalism has been getting closer to "state capitalism" year by year. But what's in a name? -- SurveyGuy, 09:15:05 04/21/03 Mon (pcp01422563pcs.lndsd201.pa.comcast.net/68.81.153.209)

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[> [> If a mob were looting downtown Philly, then we would obviously blame the mob, but we would also blame the cops if they stood by and did nothing. Same situation in Iraq, our government has changed the regime and therefore has to accept the regime's responsibility for maintaining law and order. We can't pick and choose what we will be responsible for, or pretend we have no responsibility. -- Chris Henry, 06:32:32 04/21/03 Mon (NoHost/82.47.215.137)

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[> [> If our forces don't maintain law and order, then who will - Saddam Hussein's? And if we are seen to fail in this responsibility, then of course all the hostile press will make the most of the opportunity to say that we replaced a repressive regime with total chaos and anarchy - we'll have given them a perfect opportunity. -- Chris Henry, 06:34:26 04/21/03 Mon (NoHost/82.47.215.137)

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[> [> [> If the military had shot looters, it would have been reported as shooting "innocent" civilians. The military are doing a lot more. Notice, no people starving. There are not 1000s of fleeing refugees (predicted by the press). I find this handwringing disingenuous. If there were a war going on in Philadelphia and people were looting, then they'd be looting. I guess the good citizens of Iraq didn't care either. I donot see them running to protect their museums. Objects are worthless to people who are dead. I would rather have the military protect life. -- SurveyGuy (It seems the very wealthy are often more concerned about art than people.), 09:09:51 04/21/03 Mon (pcp01422563pcs.lndsd201.pa.comcast.net/68.81.153.209)

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