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Date Posted: 12:42:32 10/22/07 Mon
Author: Oleander
Subject: so well put! You are right, too often people don't have the delicacy or subtlety for many awkward situations. BTW you cracked me up with the top-ten comment!
In reply to: MelvaT 's message, "Me too, Jay! So how did these 2 men become friends? By fractions of courtesy it seems. With Jamie's past experiences, LJG can't possibly be listed anywhere on his top-ten future buddy-list. But this wee quote shows the respect LJG has for Jamie, and his own intelligence in not pushing the matter by crouding Jamie's dignity. There's not many people, male or female, who have the caution to know when to leave well enough alone." on 11:57:08 10/22/07 Mon


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  • I do believe that John and Jamie were honestly friends at Ardsmuir right up until "the pass". I think Jamie felt a serious lack after all those years in a cave and then stuck in prison with men who, while he loved them and cared for them, were not his equals. Jamie was hungry for someone he could talk to as an equal. Remember the time he was walking with Major Macdonald and ran into Brown and a bunch of rebels and he cursed himself for his "love of conversation" that had brought about this meeting kicking himself because they were "discussing poetry!"? I think the meetings with John filled a huge need in Jamie and their friendship was genuine. Some part of Jamie must have wanted that back enough for him to overlook what he saw as a flaw in John's personality later at Helwater. Jamie really had nobody there that could fill that need either, he must have been heartbreakingly lonely. (NT) -- Jane, 06:20:56 10/23/07 Tue

  • I agree completely Jane. In spite of the barriers between prisoner and jailer, before "the pass", there was genuine mutual admiration and friendship. And Jamie recognized his own need for intellectual stimulation and camaraderie. Didn't Jamie also remember everything about meeting John at age 16, and that he'd thought him quite a brave, if naive enough to be fooled, lad even then? (NT) -- pamelalass, 07:02:14 10/23/07 Tue

  • Sorry Jane, I have to disagree with you here. Not that you're wrong, *G* it's just that my definition of friendship includes so much more than good conversation with an equally intelligent person. Jamie and LJG may have found hundreds of interesting topics to discuss, but I believe it simply gave them both a small way to "escape" prison-life and to forget they were both being punished. They weren't friends at this point. You have to be able to trust a friend, and there's no way Jamie could trust LJG with anything that might endanger his family. And how could you possibly be friends with someone who holds the power and control of your life and freedom? (NT) -- MelvaT, 13:27:03 10/23/07 Tue

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