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Subject: So it's God's will if you lose, and God's plan if you win? Author: Isn't he too busy for this kind of stuff? [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 10/30/13 Wed In reply to: Sorry you miss understood! If it is in HIS plan it will happen. 's message, "Nobody said he judged pageant, what was stated is that maybe you are not winning because there is a different path for you. He is willing to wait, some just don't listen!" on 10/28/13 Mon [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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Subject Author Date God is never too busy for anything. EVERYTHING is God's will/plan. I think the previous poster's message was very clear. (NT) It's obvious you don't understand 10/31/13 Thu If "everything" is God's plan, then why are there disasters, violence, famine, etc Yes, I have a relationship with God, so don't go there. I just think it is a shame when people give up trying and accept failure because they use the excuse that God didn't will it to happen. (NT) -- Best to be thankful for God, but not assign every outcome as his decision, 10/31/13 Thu Opportunities opened for me, after my loss, when I let myself be open to him. If his plan for you includes a win it will happen. Violence happens because we have free will, God is there! He knows before we do and is there to be our comfort. He cannot stop evil, disasters, or famine but he can put a spirit in us that help us, as humans, come together in love for one another. You don't have to understand, maybe it is not for you to understand right now. But for me it is clear. Once you are open and trust in his direction for you, love is the path you walk, with or without a crown. (NT) -- have a great day!, 10/31/13 Thu Couldn't have said it better myself! (NT) -- Well said!, 11/01/13 Fri I said everything is God's PLAN not everything is God's FAULT. As far as disasters... there are MANY people who (CLICK IN) -- Maybe you should reconsider what you view as "failure", 11/01/13 Fri so if it's good, then God did it. but if it's bad, then it's our fault? Wow. I didn't know humans could cause tornados, earthquakes & volcanoes, etc. -- wow, 11/04/13 Mon You obviously only read what you wanted to read. Where did I say anywhere that anything was OUR fault? All I said was that EVERYTHING isn't God's fault. Sometimes things just happen (call it the devil, if you want) but it is GOD that gets us through those things. It's obvious you are biased and don't want to see things any other way so I'm done! (NT) -- I could go into more detail but what's the point, 11/04/13 Mon These posts are not from the same person. I made the post asking about why bad things happen if is god's plan, but I did not make the post about good things being from god and bad things not. That poster does have a point though. It did come across that way, I thought. But I didn't say it. Anyway, just wanted you to know this series is not just one person speaking. (NT) -- Challenging logic isn't being mean- it's intellectual and inquisitive, 11/05/13 Tue