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Date Posted: 14:30:18 11/12/05 Sat
Author: Leiha
Subject: Does anyone have any theories or ideas on WHY Ash was hated as soon as he was born?


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[> I think we have to isolate who hated him? I *think* it's because he wasn't really the child of the woman who bore him, but Apollymi's missing son. Perhaps if he is Apollymi's son and therefore an Appolite/Atlantean or an Appolite/Atlantean/Charonte (Nope, not giving up that theory. LOL), then he was hated simply for his heritage. However, someone knew he would be hated, I think, and that's why they bound his life force and Styxx's together. Hey, wait, if their life forces were bound so Styxx couldn't be killed, then how come Ash could be killed? Hmm. See? MORE questions. -- Mary Stella, 16:55:24 11/12/05 Sat [1]


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[> [> Ok,check out pg 378 of Night Embrace,then 397-404. 378 refers to the sometimes visible handprint scar on Ash's throat,the other pages talk about why he was hated at birth by his "parents".Part of it was his weird silver eyes,but most of it ,IMHO,was that a wisewoman attended his birth &proclaimed he'd be a destroyer, the gods themselves won't be safe from his wrath.I have better stuff about this on the other 'puter that MsE told me,I'll look for it tomorrow if i remember.It follows your idea,though,MS,about it being known he would be hated,that being the reason for the bonding between him and Styxx.I had a thought just barely-Apollo has told Ash,'I killed you once,I can do it again',right? But Styxx is the one who has put his hand EXACTLY where the "ghost" handprint shows up.What if Apollo somehow forced Styxx to kill Ash,or choke him/hold him down by the throat,whatever they were doing to him...I am thinking Apollo must be more powerful than Styxx. So he could "command" him,maybe? -- Boadicea, 21:40:12 11/12/05 Sat [1]


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[> [> [> But if Styxx killed Ash wouldn't he have died too? While he's ready to die not, he wasn't way back when when Ash was "killed." -- Leiha, 23:23:31 11/12/05 Sat [1]


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[> [> [> [> he's ready to die now, not not, LOL. -- Leiha, 23:24:32 11/12/05 Sat [1]


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[> [> [> [> Styxx did die and was sent to a type of heaven, remember he was given a place in Elysian Fields (I know I didn't spell that correctly) where he had his heart's desires. Except he allowed his hatred of Ash to cloud his judgement and he banded with and schemed with Apollo, Bacchus and Dionysis (name & spelling please forgive) to kill Ash and take over the world. Except they did not have all of the facts about Ash and his abilities. If you also recall, Styxx was then sent to his rightful death or place in Hell where he was made to see the error of his ways in his treatment of Ash. -- MsE, 20:13:55 11/28/05 Mon [1]


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[> Somewhere in the books, there is reference to Ash not trusting Artemis not to betray him again. What if Apollo caught them together originally and Artemis didn't intercede when Apollo killed Ash? That could have made Ash cry out for vengeance and be why Artemis made him a DH -- which also brought him back to her and, since she's his food source, dependent on her. (What served as his nourishment for the 2000 years that he stayed away from her, I wonder? ) -- Mary Stella, 08:01:38 11/13/05 Sun [1]


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[> [> That -- Boadicea, 17:21:18 11/13/05 Sun [1]


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[> [> I know what you mean. I don't see Artemis sending down a few units of O Negative every so often for Ash to sip, but I could see him giving her a serious silent treatment. -- ~Sarah R.~, 13:34:48 11/14/05 Mon [1]


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[> [> [> I really need a life *VBG* My thoughts! -- MsE, 02:13:08 11/24/05 Thu [1]

Again, going off of memory and I apologize for not posting specific pages.But it is 4:00 a.m. and the damned turkey STILL ain't done! (Sorry)

However, here goes. Artemis IMMEDIATELY regretted her involvement in the death of Ash. So she risked the wrath of the FATES to bring him back from the dead. Thus, the creation of Ash as a Dark Hunter. If you will recall in Alexion's Story, at the time, Ash knew of no other way of making a person a Dark Hunter than by transference of his blood. JUST as Artemis did to him! Which is why Ash must feed from Artemis (his source of life) and Alexion from Ash (his source of life).

Artemis, insane but not stupid, realized too late that you cannot make someone love you, even if you tried to right a wrong. But she was her typical self, thinking only of herself, created another and another Dark Hunter and then left them to fin for themselves. Ash being Ash, "allowed" Artemis to manipulate him into returning to her(to feed & for sex)in order to barter for the souls of the Dark Hunter. Since, this worked for her Artemis continues to use the DH as leverage over Ash.

Were Ash his mother's child, he would surely refuse to return to Artemis; starve and allow insanity to set in, thus ending the world and fulfilling the prophecy of his being a God(dess) killer.

Again, just my humble opinions...I'm sticking to it until SK saya otherwise *VBG*


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[> [> [> [> I have to agree. I was thinking about this after with Alexion's story as well. It seems like the same thing happened with Alexion and Ash that happened with Artemis and Ash. Ash did say that at the time it was the only method that he knew of that worked. -- ~Sarah R.~, 21:56:20 11/24/05 Thu [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> UGH! I have turkeyitis and it's causing typos. That should read I was thinking about this after after Alexion's story." -- ~Sarah R.~, 21:59:23 11/24/05 Thu [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> Grrr. Really bad turkeyitis. "after reading Alexion's story" -- turkeyitis victim, 22:01:37 11/24/05 Thu [1]


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[> [> [> By the way, in the interview Ash says he prefers AB negative. I stand corrected. -- ~Sarah R.~, 20:28:56 11/28/05 Mon [1]


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[> [> Ash did not eat for those two thousand years! Remember, unless Artemis does something that causes Ash to "HAVE" to seek her out, he stays away. In Kateros (sp?) or in the home of Kyrian & Amanda. (see below for more details) -- MsE, 02:21:25 11/24/05 Thu [1]


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[> [> Somewhere on Sherri's site is an answer to that question. Artemis handmaidens brought him blood whilst he was refusing to see Artemis. Don't ask me where it is on the site though, but I know I read it somewhere. -- Chez, 23:35:29 11/29/05 Tue [1]


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[> [> [> Chez, not doubting or arguing with you on the blood thing. But could you possible find out where it is written? Reason being I went back to archeron's Story http://www.kinleymacgregor.com/hunter/acheronstory.htm and it does not make mention of Handmaiden's although I guess it could be implied. But I also remember reading that the Handmaiden's ran in fear and hid when Ash visited Artemis. Which would make the delivery of blood to Katoteros somewhat suspect. Especially, since Artemis went to such lengths to keep Ash's visits to Mt. Olympus such a secret. -- MsE, 06:27:53 11/30/05 Wed [1]


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[> [> [> [> I went back and had a look through the site and can't find it either. I have sent an IM to Lo to find out where the heck I read it and will let you know when she replies. It may even have been in a chat a while ago when we used to get chat notes sent out, but I seriously can't remember. I do know that it was asked and that was the answer, but will keep looking. -- Chez, 00:58:02 12/01/05 Thu [1]


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[> My Thoughts ... -- MsE, 01:52:53 11/24/05 Thu [1]

If I remember correctly, *which is iffy* Appollo at the time of Ash's conception was going around impregnating woman. "Red Flag" ::important to note: Remember up until this tme Apollymi had not been to conceive and her husband had enlisted the help of others to "create" worlds and children to keep Apollymi happy. (Maybe this is also why Stryker *believes* he is Apollymi's son)::

So Apollymi comes up pregnant. But the Fates declare that her son would be a "God Killer" which frightened Acheron and he demanded the child killed. "Red Flag" I always wondered why Acheron was so quick to want his child dead, especially, if he loved his wife so much! He knew such an act would destroy Apollymi. Did he suspect that Ash may not be his child?

Apollymi, a typical mother wanted to save her child, placed him in the womb of a pregnant woman and linked the two children's life forces in order to insure that her child was not killed. Remember it was a genocidal time. Brothers killed brothers and sons killed their fathers in order to rule. In addition, a common practice still observed in some countries is that children who were less than "perfect" were often killed or left to die. Again, Ash had strange eyes and frightened the mother who had given birth to him. It is my opinion Apollymi knew of this practice and linked the babes life forces to insure that Ash was NOT left to die until she could get to him. I do not believe that Apollymi EVER intended Ash not to be with her eventually. However, her hubby became pissed (his wife may have cheated on him and now she has lied about the baby) and entrapped her where she could not reach her child.

"Red Flag" I am sure I am not the only one who ever wondered "Why Styxx and Ash looks so much alike?" Seeing as they were only birthed by the same woman. Could it be that APPOLLO is actually their father? Which would explain the resemblance (if genetics played a part in mythology). More over, with Ash being deemed a "God Killer" would it now make sense as to the "WHY" Appollo wants Ash dead? From his perspective, I too would be horrified and frightened to know that MY SON is sleeping with my sister AND he is the one person who could kill them all! When looked at in this manner, I can understand why Appollo wanted him dead.

Which also explains why, Ash choses to remove certain bits of Appollo's memory when it comes to Ash's abilities. Remember the assassination attempt in Talon's story? Appollo has no memory of what happened.

I hope I haven't rambled to much. Again, this is just MY theory and I am sticking to it! *wink*


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[> [> The above is my attempt to answer the question of "Why Ash was hated at his birth." -- MsE, 02:18:31 11/24/05 Thu [1]


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[> [> [> I just thought of something else-if you are right about this,doesn't that make Ash and Strker half-brothers,because isn't Stryker's father Apollo,and Apollymi is just his "adoptive" mother or whatever? That would make Ash Urian's half-uncle or something,too.Talk about a dysfunctional family...Oh,how the plot thickens....*G* -- Boadicea, 10:03:19 11/24/05 Thu [1]


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[> [> MsE,that is a point I never considered,not in a millon years-that Apollo could be Ash's father.I think i am so busy trying for concrete evidence of Apollymi being his Mom,that I never think of his dad,I guess i automaticaaly think that Archon is his father.Buy you are so right,Apollo definitely has the motivation to hurt Ash,if this is the case.The only problem I see with this is the Ryssa thing-unless Ryssa is Ash's sister only in the sense that they came from Queen Aara's (think that's her name) womb,Ash having been hidden there.Because Ash's sister,if it is indeed Ryssa,was older than him,so I guess it's possible.Your theory on this makes sense to me in this way too:Apollo screwed around with Ash's "sister",so now Ash is screwing Artemis.Do I make any sense at all,LOL! MsE,you blow me away with this stuff,I swear.Still the Scholar Goddess!!! *G* -- Boadicea, 09:53:38 11/24/05 Thu [1]


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[> [> [> Personally, I think Ryssa is just a "Shiney Hornay" tossed out there to keep us busy guessing. She is the daughter of his good friend and he loves them. I think he may show more favortism to Ryssa because of his ongoing guilt. But mostly, I think he just likes that she is innocent and wants nothing from him. A Rare thing in his world. As for Ryssa's abilities, she is the daughter of a Dark Hunter and a woman with powerful kenetic abilities! -- MsE, 12:19:41 11/24/05 Thu [1]


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[> [> [> [> I menat the "first" Ryssa,though-Apollo's mistress.You're probably right about Marissa,though,she is there to throw us off the scent...*G* -- Boadicea, 15:31:06 11/24/05 Thu [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> Meant...grrr. -- Boadicea, 15:32:12 11/24/05 Thu [1]


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[> If Ash is Apollymi's son, then he's an Apollite -- descended of Apollo. Apollo would then hate him because the Apollites killed Apollo's mistress and son. That would also explain why Ash only drinks blood and doesn't eat food. Perhaps Apollymi bound Ash's life force to Styxx so that Ash wouldn't die on his 27th birthday. (Of course, he was betrayed and killed when he was 21, but if that hadn't happened, then something else would have had to keep him alive). I wonder why Apollymi -- an Atlantean and a Destroyer -- has a name so close to Apollo. Wouldn't it be interesting if she was related to Apollo and Artie? Perhaps another sister? -- Mary Stella, 17:39:38 11/24/05 Thu [1]


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[> [> I'm blown away by all these theories!!! I wish SK 's publisher would bring out the books faster!!! This round-a-bout is going to last for YEARS!! -- Michele N, 03:04:15 11/25/05 Fri [1]


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[> [> Aonther good point,Mary Stella! And since they have Apollites have to feed off each other,if your theory is correct,this would explain it-since Artie is Apollo's sister,that would make sense.Maybe this is why Stryker starts spewing all those lies in Sins about Ash really being a Daimon-it is very close to the turth,perhaps? Maybe SK is even sneakier than we think,LOL! -- Boadicea, 12:25:38 11/25/05 Fri [1]


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