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Subject: AN OUTSIDER VIEW OF TEXAS


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Date Posted: 17:01:17 06/25/22 Sat

It's been a fun couple of nights of preliminaries. This is the first time I have ever got to see live from start to finish a Miss Texas pageant. It is always, IMO, one of the higher profile pageants because generally speaking, the winner goes onto the top 10 at Miss America. There are times where IMO (like last year) where they end up there based on state reputation and nothing more. But from what I am seeing this week, it is this-they have more than one contestant who is ready to compete at Miss America that very day if the pageant was being held. Same with Oklahoma. Then there are the states who clearly have one strong candidate to win and that person might have potential at Miss America but needs the tailoring that their state cannot seem to provide for them. Texas in particular does not have that problem. And it is hard to argue that Texas does not have success with their track record at Miss America. What they are doing does not need to be fixed. That is unless you want to have a Miss America. They haven't had a Miss America since one month after Richard Nixon was removed from office. That's a long time.

One thing I see about Texas is that despite the "type" they seem to consistently send each year, there is a lot of diversity among the kinds of contestants. Not everyone fits the mold that you see make it to Miss America. It is nice to see, quite frankly. I know that they probably do not feel the need to fix what is not broke, so I think that is why you see basically the same types of contestants succeed. The only exception was Chandler Foreman. I had no strong opinions about her either way at Miss America, but I know that she seemed to rub people the wrong way. At first I attributed it to that she wasn't a typical Miss Texas and had what seemed to be a strong personality. But this week during the preliminaries, she did something which rubbed me the wrong way. When she was doing OSQ, a contestant very nicely complimented her on her dress. Instead of answering back graciously, she snapped at the contestant, "Don't make this about me. Go over there an answer your question." It was very rude and I noticed that after that, no other contestant would engage with her. Then she seemed to be eating or getting done eating when she was asked to come out onstage the next night. So, just after a few nights I get why she might not have been a popular choice.

This week of competition has been very interesting in that you have three double preliminary winners. It is not unusual at all to see 2 double preliminary winners, but I cannot seem to remember a time with three of them. Having seen all three nights, I would say with the exception of Matlock winning red carpet (I had 3 ahead of her) the judging was correct. They did stand out in their individual groups. South Lake was FANTASTIC at That's Life. It is a sort of safe and boring song and she sang it like she was selling it to us the first time. I loved it. And she looked great in an evening gown. Carrollton also looked great in an evening gown and her talent was strong. I had a few ahead of Southeast TX in Red Carpet but she didn't have much competition in her preliminary group for talent and we already knew the judges liked her. So, you are going to have these three potentially competing for the win. Of the non-preliminary winners, I thought Park Cities was very strong across the board. I was surprised that she did not win a preliminary, at least in Red Carpet. Dallas has also been strong, although she seemed to come back to life a bit in talent. She was very endearing during her Red Carpet time with her princesses. One seemed to be only a toddler and was wandering around a bit like she was confused. She picked her up and carried her very kindly in her arms, which was very sweet. She looked like a caring, nurturing mother. I would caution everyone tonight that with the judges being aware that there are three double preliminary winners that they may want their favorite to win and they may end up tanking some of the others. So, if the results seem weird tonight, it may be why. They could end up canceling each other out and a non-preliminary winner could win. Here are my top 15 after preliminaries:

Border City
Carrollton
Dallas
DFW
Fort Worth
Frisco
Grapevine
Keller
Lone Star
North Texas
Park Cities
Piney Woods
Southeast TX
South Lake
Space City

As to who wins tonight? Conventional choice says that it was one of the preliminary winners. If not, my money would be on Park Cities. But I still think that even despite me not wanting another Matlock win, she is going to be a Miss Texas, there is no doubt about that. She has quickly figured out what it takes to be successful, and she is extremely confident. I do not like that there are two former Miss Texases on the panel that is judging a former's relative, either. But right now, nothing is going to change that fact and if she competes in future years I think they need to carefully consider that. And knowing Miss America, she would go on to succeed at Miss America. Same for South Lake. I find her to be be bit more down-to-earth and has an energy that draws you to her. Yes, she is conventional Miss Texas, but she has an engaging quality about her. I also see her top 10 at Miss America. But there is something next level about Avery Bishop. She has a distinct energy that absolutely draws you in. She is not a conventional Miss Texas, and I think that would work in her favor. She isn't like Chandler Foreman, Avery has the competitive edge-she is strong in talent, gown, and I saw her interview from last year. She can interview well. But she has a personal quality that I have seen in a lot of Miss Americas that I think Texas should not pass up.

Come on Texas. Do at least one thing to get your state out of the 1970s. If Texas really wants another Miss America, Avery Bishop needs to go to Miss America.

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[> Subject: Outsider here too and completely agree, they have the next Miss America in Averie Bishop if they crown her.


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Date Posted: 22:58:17 06/25/22 Sat

>It's been a fun couple of nights of preliminaries.
>This is the first time I have ever got to see live
>from start to finish a Miss Texas pageant. It is
>always, IMO, one of the higher profile pageants
>because generally speaking, the winner goes onto the
>top 10 at Miss America. There are times where IMO
>(like last year) where they end up there based on
>state reputation and nothing more. But from what I am
>seeing this week, it is this-they have more than one
>contestant who is ready to compete at Miss America
>that very day if the pageant was being held. Same
>with Oklahoma. Then there are the states who clearly
>have one strong candidate to win and that person might
>have potential at Miss America but needs the tailoring
>that their state cannot seem to provide for them.
>Texas in particular does not have that problem. And
>it is hard to argue that Texas does not have success
>with their track record at Miss America. What they
>are doing does not need to be fixed. That is unless
>you want to have a Miss America. They haven't had a
>Miss America since one month after Richard Nixon was
>removed from office. That's a long time.
>
>One thing I see about Texas is that despite the "type"
>they seem to consistently send each year, there is a
>lot of diversity among the kinds of contestants. Not
>everyone fits the mold that you see make it to Miss
>America. It is nice to see, quite frankly. I know
>that they probably do not feel the need to fix what is
>not broke, so I think that is why you see basically
>the same types of contestants succeed. The only
>exception was Chandler Foreman. I had no strong
>opinions about her either way at Miss America, but I
>know that she seemed to rub people the wrong way. At
>first I attributed it to that she wasn't a typical
>Miss Texas and had what seemed to be a strong
>personality. But this week during the preliminaries,
>she did something which rubbed me the wrong way. When
>she was doing OSQ, a contestant very nicely
>complimented her on her dress. Instead of answering
>back graciously, she snapped at the contestant, "Don't
>make this about me. Go over there an answer your
>question." It was very rude and I noticed that after
>that, no other contestant would engage with her. Then
>she seemed to be eating or getting done eating when
>she was asked to come out onstage the next night. So,
>just after a few nights I get why she might not have
>been a popular choice.
>
>This week of competition has been very interesting in
>that you have three double preliminary winners. It is
>not unusual at all to see 2 double preliminary
>winners, but I cannot seem to remember a time with
>three of them. Having seen all three nights, I would
>say with the exception of Matlock winning red carpet
>(I had 3 ahead of her) the judging was correct. They
>did stand out in their individual groups. South Lake
>was FANTASTIC at That's Life. It is a sort of safe
>and boring song and she sang it like she was selling
>it to us the first time. I loved it. And she looked
>great in an evening gown. Carrollton also looked
>great in an evening gown and her talent was strong. I
>had a few ahead of Southeast TX in Red Carpet but she
>didn't have much competition in her preliminary group
>for talent and we already knew the judges liked her.
>So, you are going to have these three potentially
>competing for the win. Of the non-preliminary
>winners, I thought Park Cities was very strong across
>the board. I was surprised that she did not win a
>preliminary, at least in Red Carpet. Dallas has also
>been strong, although she seemed to come back to life
>a bit in talent. She was very endearing during her
>Red Carpet time with her princesses. One seemed to be
>only a toddler and was wandering around a bit like she
>was confused. She picked her up and carried her very
>kindly in her arms, which was very sweet. She looked
>like a caring, nurturing mother. I would caution
>everyone tonight that with the judges being aware that
>there are three double preliminary winners that they
>may want their favorite to win and they may end up
>tanking some of the others. So, if the results seem
>weird tonight, it may be why. They could end up
>canceling each other out and a non-preliminary winner
>could win. Here are my top 15 after preliminaries:
>
>Border City
>Carrollton
>Dallas
>DFW
>Fort Worth
>Frisco
>Grapevine
>Keller
>Lone Star
>North Texas
>Park Cities
>Piney Woods
>Southeast TX
>South Lake
>Space City
>
>As to who wins tonight? Conventional choice says that
>it was one of the preliminary winners. If not, my
>money would be on Park Cities. But I still think that
>even despite me not wanting another Matlock win, she
>is going to be a Miss Texas, there is no doubt about
>that. She has quickly figured out what it takes to be
>successful, and she is extremely confident. I do not
>like that there are two former Miss Texases on the
>panel that is judging a former's relative, either.
>But right now, nothing is going to change that fact
>and if she competes in future years I think they need
>to carefully consider that. And knowing Miss America,
>she would go on to succeed at Miss America. Same for
>South Lake. I find her to be be bit more
>down-to-earth and has an energy that draws you to her.
> Yes, she is conventional Miss Texas, but she has an
>engaging quality about her. I also see her top 10 at
>Miss America. But there is something next level about
>Avery Bishop. She has a distinct energy that
>absolutely draws you in. She is not a conventional
>Miss Texas, and I think that would work in her favor.
>She isn't like Chandler Foreman, Avery has the
>competitive edge-she is strong in talent, gown, and I
>saw her interview from last year. She can interview
>well. But she has a personal quality that I have seen
>in a lot of Miss Americas that I think Texas should
>not pass up.
>
>Come on Texas. Do at least one thing to get your
>state out of the 1970s. If Texas really wants another
>Miss America, Avery Bishop needs to go to Miss America.
[> [> Subject: I am glad you agree. I am just hoping the judges do! Doing awards right now, we should know any minute.


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Date Posted: 23:15:33 06/25/22 Sat

>>It's been a fun couple of nights of preliminaries.
>>This is the first time I have ever got to see live
>>from start to finish a Miss Texas pageant. It is
>>always, IMO, one of the higher profile pageants
>>because generally speaking, the winner goes onto the
>>top 10 at Miss America. There are times where IMO
>>(like last year) where they end up there based on
>>state reputation and nothing more. But from what I am
>>seeing this week, it is this-they have more than one
>>contestant who is ready to compete at Miss America
>>that very day if the pageant was being held. Same
>>with Oklahoma. Then there are the states who clearly
>>have one strong candidate to win and that person might
>>have potential at Miss America but needs the tailoring
>>that their state cannot seem to provide for them.
>>Texas in particular does not have that problem. And
>>it is hard to argue that Texas does not have success
>>with their track record at Miss America. What they
>>are doing does not need to be fixed. That is unless
>>you want to have a Miss America. They haven't had a
>>Miss America since one month after Richard Nixon was
>>removed from office. That's a long time.
>>
>>One thing I see about Texas is that despite the "type"
>>they seem to consistently send each year, there is a
>>lot of diversity among the kinds of contestants. Not
>>everyone fits the mold that you see make it to Miss
>>America. It is nice to see, quite frankly. I know
>>that they probably do not feel the need to fix what is
>>not broke, so I think that is why you see basically
>>the same types of contestants succeed. The only
>>exception was Chandler Foreman. I had no strong
>>opinions about her either way at Miss America, but I
>>know that she seemed to rub people the wrong way. At
>>first I attributed it to that she wasn't a typical
>>Miss Texas and had what seemed to be a strong
>>personality. But this week during the preliminaries,
>>she did something which rubbed me the wrong way. When
>>she was doing OSQ, a contestant very nicely
>>complimented her on her dress. Instead of answering
>>back graciously, she snapped at the contestant, "Don't
>>make this about me. Go over there an answer your
>>question." It was very rude and I noticed that after
>>that, no other contestant would engage with her. Then
>>she seemed to be eating or getting done eating when
>>she was asked to come out onstage the next night. So,
>>just after a few nights I get why she might not have
>>been a popular choice.
>>
>>This week of competition has been very interesting in
>>that you have three double preliminary winners. It is
>>not unusual at all to see 2 double preliminary
>>winners, but I cannot seem to remember a time with
>>three of them. Having seen all three nights, I would
>>say with the exception of Matlock winning red carpet
>>(I had 3 ahead of her) the judging was correct. They
>>did stand out in their individual groups. South Lake
>>was FANTASTIC at That's Life. It is a sort of safe
>>and boring song and she sang it like she was selling
>>it to us the first time. I loved it. And she looked
>>great in an evening gown. Carrollton also looked
>>great in an evening gown and her talent was strong. I
>>had a few ahead of Southeast TX in Red Carpet but she
>>didn't have much competition in her preliminary group
>>for talent and we already knew the judges liked her.
>>So, you are going to have these three potentially
>>competing for the win. Of the non-preliminary
>>winners, I thought Park Cities was very strong across
>>the board. I was surprised that she did not win a
>>preliminary, at least in Red Carpet. Dallas has also
>>been strong, although she seemed to come back to life
>>a bit in talent. She was very endearing during her
>>Red Carpet time with her princesses. One seemed to be
>>only a toddler and was wandering around a bit like she
>>was confused. She picked her up and carried her very
>>kindly in her arms, which was very sweet. She looked
>>like a caring, nurturing mother. I would caution
>>everyone tonight that with the judges being aware that
>>there are three double preliminary winners that they
>>may want their favorite to win and they may end up
>>tanking some of the others. So, if the results seem
>>weird tonight, it may be why. They could end up
>>canceling each other out and a non-preliminary winner
>>could win. Here are my top 15 after preliminaries:
>>
>>Border City
>>Carrollton
>>Dallas
>>DFW
>>Fort Worth
>>Frisco
>>Grapevine
>>Keller
>>Lone Star
>>North Texas
>>Park Cities
>>Piney Woods
>>Southeast TX
>>South Lake
>>Space City
>>
>>As to who wins tonight? Conventional choice says that
>>it was one of the preliminary winners. If not, my
>>money would be on Park Cities. But I still think that
>>even despite me not wanting another Matlock win, she
>>is going to be a Miss Texas, there is no doubt about
>>that. She has quickly figured out what it takes to be
>>successful, and she is extremely confident. I do not
>>like that there are two former Miss Texases on the
>>panel that is judging a former's relative, either.
>>But right now, nothing is going to change that fact
>>and if she competes in future years I think they need
>>to carefully consider that. And knowing Miss America,
>>she would go on to succeed at Miss America. Same for
>>South Lake. I find her to be be bit more
>>down-to-earth and has an energy that draws you to her.
>> Yes, she is conventional Miss Texas, but she has an
>>engaging quality about her. I also see her top 10 at
>>Miss America. But there is something next level about
>>Avery Bishop. She has a distinct energy that
>>absolutely draws you in. She is not a conventional
>>Miss Texas, and I think that would work in her favor.
>>She isn't like Chandler Foreman, Avery has the
>>competitive edge-she is strong in talent, gown, and I
>>saw her interview from last year. She can interview
>>well. But she has a personal quality that I have seen
>>in a lot of Miss Americas that I think Texas should
>>not pass up.
>>
>>Come on Texas. Do at least one thing to get your
>>state out of the 1970s. If Texas really wants another
>>Miss America, Avery Bishop needs to go to Miss
>America.


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