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WELCOME TO MISS AMERICA PAGEANT WEEK 2024!!! LIVE COMMENTARY ON THE PRELIMINARIES AS WELL AS COMPLETE RUNDOWNS OF ALL CONTESTANTS AND COMPETITION. STOP BACK OFTEN AND ENJOY!!!

Subject: TALENT NIGHT 2


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Date Posted: 15:26:40 12/14/21 Tue

Here goes round 2! As with the first night I based on Miss America scoring:

1-3 below average 4-6 average 7-9 above average 10 perfection

DE-played Good Golly Miss Molly on the piano. Does anyone remember Christi Page, Miss Louisiana 1991? She sang and played Great Balls of Fire. If this song had even 1/10th of that energy it would have changed things. I had high hopes for DE after hearing her speak, but this totally puts her out of contention. She had no energy or connection to the fast-paced, fun song. It was only around a 3, and if the judges were being more critical in their scoring it might have been a 2. She just had no connection to the music and was so laid back. It could have been fun, and her costume was great, just a really poor performance.
RI-played Fantastie Impromptu. This song is always done well, and she did a nice job with it. I always enjoy hearing this played for that reason. (My favorite is still Rhapsody in Blue!) It was a solid performance of the song, Leigh’s dress was pretty and elegant. I would give it a solid 7.
GA-did a tap dance to Big Time. There were moments of good in this and moments of mediocre. Sometimes her energy matched the song and other times it didn’t. I would best describe it as inconsistent, though she did have a lot of energy, and that would make it a 6 for me. Of note, her shoe fell off at the end of the song. She carried it off with her. That actually happened to the lovely Constance Dorn, Miss NC 1972 and 1st runner up at the 1972 pageant to Terry Meeuwsen, except it was her ballet slipper and she just kept dancing. You could see the bows untying and she just gingerly stepped out of it.
NV-Sang Somebody To Love. When I think of this song, I think of Brook Kilgarriff, Miss MN 2008 or 2009. She was the standard as far as I am concerned. This wasn’t up to that. It was a very mediocre to average performance. I would put it in the 4-5 range.
NJ-Broadway musical to Gimme Gimme. Alyssa has a very Broadway type voice and performance. She really did have some good showmanship to the later part of the performance. I would give it a strong 6, possibly a low 7.
SC-played a Beethoven piece on the piano. I did not recognize it, but it was described as a Beethoven piece. She did VERY well with it-very technical, very fast paced and she kept up with it. To me, it was the best performance of the night, and I would have had her winning talent, but I felt like IL was right behind her as far as performance. And, this panel was obviously scoring later contestants higher. Me, this was a solid 8.
LA-did a jazz dance to Last Dance. I loved the costume-it was very vibrant and came alive. The performance itself seemed to lack the energy of the song, she didn’t really move that quickly. I think this song works better with a baton performance. I would put in the 4-5 range.
VT-did a speed painting routine. She said that it was going to be a famous woman. For the life of me, I couldn’t figure it out when she turned it upside down. It was supposed to be Rosie the Riveter. I thought she brought some nice energy to her routine, she spoke and added to the energy of it. I wouldn’t have recognized it and it was not up to the par of some others I have seen at Miss America. Or the Haas girl from TN who painted Jesus. I would give this a 5, maybe a 6 because she really did try and make it a high energy production.
OH-danced to Holding Out For a Hero. It’s a good song but also iconic. This was just an average performance. The costume was very nice, I think it worked well for the song and the vibe. I just think sort of like with LA, you have to really match the energy of the song or else it is not memorable. I would give it in the 4-5 range.
MD-played a classic piece on the cello. I was not familiar with it, but I do enjoy a good cello performance. I can’t be certain, but it sounded like she may have hit some sour notes in the beginning of the performance. It lacked a little bit of energy or entertainment value, but I would give it a solid 6 to 7. I have seen better stringed instrument performances over the years, but I can tell she was well trained and devoted a lot of time to her talent.
AR-did a baton routine to Conga by Gloria Estefan. I hate to say it, but she really missed the energy of this song. It was very low energy. If you pick a song that upbeat, you should have the performance to back it up and she just didn’t seem to be having a good time with it. She did add three batons at the end, and that always requires a lot of skill. But just with the low energy of it, I would give it a 4.
NM-did a lyrical dance to a modern version of In The Air Tonight. Her costume was great and looked great on her. You can tell she has some good training behind her, and she did put a lot of energy into the song. It wasn’t anything outstanding, but it was on the better end of average. I would give it a high 6 and possibly low 7 if the judges were generous.
TN-Remember the good old days of bleached blonde bad singing at the Miss Tennessee pageant before they split into Volunteer? LOL the ghost of those days was left behind and came back to haunt Miss TN this year. She sang Here You Come Again in a key about 3 or 4 keys off. She started at the piano and then got up and started swaying around. It was reminiscent of a performance in the time period that song actually came out. It was sooo dated, sooo pageanty. I cannot imagine that someone would have told her it was a good idea. Honestly, it was around a 3 and 2 if it was offensive to the judges sensibilities.
DC-sang Summertime. Much like some of the other vocalists on the previous nights, she had some good and off moments. I don’t think she has a powerful voice and that may be why it she struggled at times. Kim Aiken is the standard bearer for this song, and it was not on that level. Still, it was not bad at all. I would give it a 6, 5 if I was being picky.
FL-danced to Nothing Can Stop Me Now. I thought she did a good enough job. She was one of the better talents in the second group. She had a good form, kept the song flowing nicely, and kept up with the pace of the song. Nice gold costume. I would give it a solid 7
MN-Sang an inspirational song dedicated to her recovery from COVID. I never heard the song before. Oh hell. If I was scoring on heart this got a 10. She had tears in her eyes at the end of the song, and she thought maybe it had destroyed her vocal cords. The gown was very pretty as well. I really, truly hate to say this but the performance was just average, her pitch sounded a bit off and she seemed like she might be struggling at times. But, it was a moral victory for her. I just couldn’t turn off my emotions with the song. Realistically, the performance itself was probably a 5 but sometimes a performance is more about the story behind it.
MA-Danced a lyrical dance to Wind Beneath My Wings, a modern recording of it. I thought she looked very nice, a pretty white costume, it was a very nice performance. She was graceful and seemed in sync with the energy of the music. Well done, I would give it a 7.
UT-sang That’s Life. She made a good attempt at it, but the vocal ability really wasn’t there. There were a lot of times she was off key, had trouble hitting the high notes. It was only around a 3-4.
SD-did a ballet to a song called Bad Day (I never heard it before, it wasn’t that Powter version.) It was just average, it didn’t draw me in much. It wasn’t bad, just kind of forgettable. The costume was very pretty, though. I don’t know why, she kind of reminds me of Jessica Chastain. The performance itself would have been around a 5.
OK-Jazz vocal to Evenings at Seven. I really, really liked the concept of this. I liked her costume, I liked that someone tried something more original. It started out okay, but some of the notes at the end were really sharp and off key. Because of the originality, the fantastic costume, I would give it a 6. Had those not been there it would have been a bit lower.
AZ-did either a lyrical or ballet dance, I did not get the name of the performance. Her costume was very, very pretty. It looked to be a burgundy color with gold trim, very regal. The performance itself wasn’t that strong, but she did look great. I would put it in the 4-5 range.

CO-sang Never Enough. I hate to say this because I had such high hopes for her, but this made her crash back down to earth. She sang in a very flat tone, it might not have been the right key for her or something was off. It just wasn’t very good. I would give it a 4 because she just doesn’t have a great vocal ability.
IL-I believe the name of the song is Hungarian Dance. She played the violin. It is a familiar song if you have heard it. She was good-good technically, appropriate costume and came across very well. It was a very nice performance. Solid 8
AK-sang Let Me Be Your Star. She has a strong voice with some power behind it. I thought perhaps that she might contend for a preliminary win because the judges seemed to love her the night before, and it was one of the better talents of the night. There were a few off notes here and there but overall, she did a great job. Solid 8 from me.

And there is the complete rundown of talent! I am not sure what kind of “strategy” is used when there are only two groups, but I am sure you want to start with talent if it is your stronger competition and wait until the second night if it is not. The overall level was considerably weaker than night 1. And overall, the talent level is just down so far from where it used to be. But that being said, I only saw those really poor talents last night. With the scoring changes, you are not seeing that many abysmal talents making it to the Miss America stage. Even though most would not blow you away, most are decent and enjoyable.
Subject: PAGEANTMANIA BEGINS TONIGHT!


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Date Posted: 09:54:20 12/12/21 Sun

It's been entirely too long everyone, but with good reason. I do not have the strength to get into it right now, but I am here for pageant week. Because of some health concerns, both my wild and crazy traveling companion and I thought it was best if we did not go to Miss America this year. But, I will be purchasing the preliminaries live and will provide live commentary here. Tune in tonight at 7 p.m. Eastern Standard Time as I will provide a live rundown of the preliminaries. Miss Universe is tonight as well. LOL since I will be paying for the MAO preliminaries they get first billing, and then I will go back and watch Miss Universe.

I am sorry I haven't been able to be here as I wished and that the board became a mess. But I will be here this week and do what I enjoy doing. I hope you enjoy it, too. Please pass the word around if you find this helpful, fun to read, or otherwise.

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Subject: SOCIAL IMPACT/ONSTAGE QUESTION/RED CARPET


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Date Posted: 17:39:23 12/13/21 Mon

I am just going to mention the ones that stood out in any way to me, whether good or bad. Mostly good. The red carpet competition is really not that glamourous because the contestants really cannot model. They walk out with a microphone in their hand and stand before the judges. I suppose that is because of COVID, and I HOPE they are not passing those microphones around. So, I guess that is why no modeling.

The Social Impact statements needs to be 60 seconds or around that. A lot of the contestants were rushing and speaking rapidly in order to make that happen. A lot of the time I felt like the contestants were trying to just get it all out in 60 seconds. Lots of statistics, etc. The onstage question is a bit different because the contestants can take their time and answer. But, both questions are about their social platforms and it was rather redundant. I really can't say who stood out in gown because nobody had a chance to really appear in gown. I like red, and some contestants had some pretty red gowns.

I am going to comment on the ones who stood out to me the most and if any of you have any questions about anyone I have not mentioned, I will answer them for you.

With the actual SII statements, the best to me in each group were NJ (first), TN (second), and UT (last.) NJ spoke about peer mentoring, TN about voting, and UT about immigration reform. UT and TN both answered their questions in a with conviction and acknowledged that they were controversial issues. Both of them said that they wanted to help people find middle ground and things they could agree on, and that it was a non-partisan issue. NJ spoke with a lot of confidence and is a very good public speaker. I expect that she interviews well. DE also stood out to me in the first group. She spoke about environmental justice and sounded very knowledgeable and confident, made a lot of sense. Some of the better answers in one or both categories were:

DC-she spoke very convincingly, she was very eloquent and had a good message
MD-she is very intelligent and a very good communicator. She also is either in the military or works at a military establishment in the capitol area and spoke very well about her earth yet very down to earth. I liked her.
MN-I wasn't wowed by her gown, but she is very intelligent and well-spoken, I think her platform was mental health
MA-she was one of the pretty red gowns that stuck out to me, she spoke very eloquently about being a first generation American and the work she did on her platform
SD-she was also very eloquent, she did in fact speak about her own mental health struggles with depression and an eating disorder. She was one of the few last night who I felt spoke "to me" rather than at me and I felt more like she was not just spouting out statistics
OK-also very good, and I liked her gown and her look in it. She also seemed very genuine and down to earth, told the story about her brother and how she helped find a Best Friends chapter in Oklahoma. She is very intelligent and a good speaker.
CO-Very humble yet intelligent, spoke about suicides and mental health in the military. I just feel like she connects very well with her platform and if I really wanted to know something about the subject, she would be someone I would want to hear talk about mental health in the military. She was good.
AK-the winner. She is very humble, down to earth, and like I said about SD-she speaks "to" you and not at you. Even though she didn't shout, ramble off statistics, she was very natural. If this is what the judges are going for, look for some very relatable women in the top 15. She wasn't who I would have picked but I can definitely see why the judges love her. AND she was just a doll after she won. She really did not seem to believe it. I would love someone that humble as Miss America.

Some contestants were a bit pageanty with the answers, but not a lot of them. FL in particular sounded pageanty and rehearsed. And I hate to say this, but IL sounded the same way and she bumbled a bit. She looks fantastic onstage and has a lot of presence, but she bumbled a bit and just sounded off. I had high hopes for her but I am not sure she did herself any favors last night. I hope her talent is good because she has a lot of presence and I would love to see her compete.

There were a few that did not resonate with me. GA in particular. I thought she was a good speaker but she did not come across well, it kind of made me uncomfortable. She started rambling about all kinds of societal problems and it did not seem compassionate, it sounded haughty. She said she chose a black and white dress because of her platform, and I can't explain it, it just really came across the complete opposite of someone like AK.
LA-She bumbled a bit. I hope this doesn't come across poorly, but her platform is called Find Your Freddy. It is about developmental disabilities. But it also sounds ripe with euphanisms and I could imagine that people who have a warped sense of humor would tear apart the name of this platform. It is fodder for late night comedians. That aside, she struggled at the end of her question.

I would summarize this by saying the contestants talk entirely too fast in the SII competition and it really is not enjoyable. Too much talk on the same questions.

So, I am going to take a break now and will be back at 7 p.m. I am keeping everything I need right by the TV because you blink you miss it. LOL if you have an active bladder, cathertize yourself because you will not be able to get away.

Until later!
Subject: FULL TALENT RUNDOWN PRELIMINARY NIGHT 1


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Date Posted: 13:37:43 12/13/21 Mon

Since everybody likes talent, and it is 50 percent of the score, I am going to do talent first. And since it is such a long rundown. I am going to do a separate post for all the Q&A portion, but it’s hard to really give a numerical score on all of that, but I will do my best to give a complete rundown. Will explain later, it is just too much talking and the same thing over and over.

Keep in mind Miss America scoring is 1-3 below average, 4-6 average, 7-9 above average and 10 perfection. Truthfully, I see very few 10s. It was a weaker night overall last night, I wouldn’t have given out anything past 7 except to the winner and Michigan. So here goes in order of appearance. And Miss Maine, as we know, had to leave the competition due to COVID. Sadly, nobody mentioned a thing about her and they said 51 contestants. Obviously they were reading from a teleprompter.

VA-sang Don’t Forget Me. It sounded like she may have some good ability in upper ranges, but she was a bit flat throughout the song. I hesitate to say this, but her sister has the better vocal ability in her family. She doesn’t quite have that level of talent. The overall performance would only be about a 4 or 5.
IN-sang Stand Up For Love. She has a nice voice, one of the better vocalists of the night. She had a little bit of problems towards the end of it, but it was a very nice performance. You can tell she’s got some talent I would give it a lower 7 just because she had some problems towards the end.

CT-she danced an Indian dance to an original either composition or dance that she choreographed herself. I am not an expert on Indian dancing, so I cannot comment on the technicality of it. I would say that it lacked the energy of a Nina D. type of dance. I would give it a 5.

ND-sang Habanero. A little bit better than Erika Harold’s performance of it. Her dress was very pretty, though, and she looked good in front of the camera. I would say on vocal ability a 5, the presentation a 6.
MI-classical piano piece. I forget the name of it, it was a familiar one, though. She did a very nice job with it. Very flawless, energetic. She was my winner just because I was not sure NY would fly with the judges. Solid 8. If talent is 50 percent and she does well tonight it will absolutely propel her into the top 15.
WY-inspirational monologue. It was nice and she seemed genuine, it kind of ended on making a wish and didn’t seem complete to me. There were several more monologue/speaking talents, but this one wasn’t really outstanding. It lacked energy. I would have scored it a 4, 5 if it was being generous.
CA-sang Astonishing. I commented about it last night, but she was probably one of the better ones in the first group. Solid vocals, she has some power behind her voice. High 7 for me.
NH-tap dance to a song called I Like To Party, or something to that effect. I never heard the song before. It was fun and had good energy. I could tell by her face how much fun she was having. I guess when I think of tap at Miss America I think of someone like Nicole Messina, it wasn’t on part with that. But it was decent. I would say 5-6 range.
KY-sang I’d Rather Go Blind. She has a nice voice, and she had a solid performance. No missed notes, no pitch problems, etc. The only thing I would say is that the performance lacked a bit of energy. I would have given it a 6.
AL-an upbeat version of Beethoven’s 5th Symphony. The performance itself was good, entertaining. I wasn’t blown away by her skills, but it was entertaining indeed and it was more about the performance end of things. I gave it a 7.
PA-baton routine to River Deep Mountain High. It was a solid performance. She had good energy and brought in 3 batons at the end. Pretty colored costume as well. Iowans Diana Reed and Renee Steudimann are goddesses of baton at Miss America and it wouldn’t have risen to that level, but better than Simone Esters in 2019. I gave it a solid 7.
WA-lyrical dance to This Is Me. It was a nice performance, consistent. I would give it a 6. Some of the lyrical dancers were better last night, especially NE (who I will address in a minute) and it wasn’t quite on par with that, but she looked lovely onstage.
NC-ballet dance to The Impossible Dream. I thought it was very pretty. She looked very pretty, very elegant in a white costume. It was a lovely performance. The only thing missing was a little bit more energy than I would have liked. I would put it in the 6 to 7 range.
NE-I mistakenly identified her as Alaska last night. She did a lyrical dance to Climb Every Mountain. Very well done. She is a very good dancer, it had a lot of energy to it for the slower pace of the song, her costume was very pretty, she looked quite elegant onstage. Overall I would give it a 7 but I also could justify an 8 if the judges were marking higher. This was one of my favorite performances of the night.
OR-singer/songwriter performance of If I Don’t Have You by Alicia Keys. I liked it. Of course it is difficult when you do someone iconic, but she definitely held her own. She had a lot of emotion behind the song. It didn’t “stand out” but it was consistent. 6 to 7, 7 if generous
IA-ballet dance to the famous song I don’t know the name of LOL. It was the beginning opening number of the 1991 pageant. She did it as a homage to her Iowan roots. The costume was cute, a white and purple farmgirl dress, very appropriate. Good energy with the performance. It was solid and I would give it a lower 7.
MT-opera to the Laughing Song. I have heard this song many times over at pageants, and I have heard it done to near perfection. This was just an average performance to me, I would put it in the 5 or 6 range, 6 if generous. I wasn’t blown away by it, it was just a very average opera performance.
ID-tap dance to Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy. The costuming was cute, the energy just wasn’t there for me, though. 4 to 5
NY-spoken word performance about women in politics. She was very dynamic, spoke well, and had a lot of energy behind her performance. I am a fan of spoken word performances, and she was very dynamic. She wore a white pantsuit in honor of Women’s Suffrage, which I immediately recognized. As I said in an earlier post was the judges are either going to love it or hate it. They loved it. I would have given it a 9 just for the energy of it, the thoughtfulness put into the costume, and it was well received by the crowd.
MS-sang House of the Rising Sun. She was kind of like some of the other vocalists of the night. She definitely has some upper range ability and she did that well, but the lower range she was a bit pitchy and hit a few sour notes. Had she been a bit more consistent I could have seen her contending for the talent win. I would give it a lower 7 and could have been higher had she nailed it.
WI-lyrical dance to Hit Me With a Hot Note. I think it was lyrical, it might have been jazz. She did bring some energy to the performance, and she was very clean in her performance. It was consistent, she kept the same energy. I gave it a higher 7.
HI-did a traditional hula to Welcome to This Land, a Hawaiian song. It was very pretty, certainly what you would come to expect from a Miss Hawaii. I liked the energy of it-it was very pretty, she looked nice, just an overall nice performance. Lower 7 for me. It wasn’t something that would blow you out of the park just nicely done and she captured the overall vibe very well.
WV-I am not sure what category you would call this, but she did a monologue. I actually liked this much better than Wyoming’s. She was very genuine in her talk, it felt like she was connecting with the audience. She wore jeans and a Tshirt, seemed very down to earth but yet very convincing. I just was able to feel a connection to her personally, and that is I believe the point she was trying to get across. For me it was a solid 7.
MO-sang I Got A Feeling Like I Never Felt Before. Much like Mississippi’s performance, but to me her vocal ability was a little stronger. She could really hit the high notes very well. She did struggle on some of the lower range and like MS, if she had stayed right on it would have been a very powerful performance. Lower 7 based on the inconsistency of it.
KS-Did a drum solo to It Don’t Mean A Thing If It Aint Got That Swing. I loved it! I like seeing unique performances and talents. And I like to see women drummers. LOL I have had the fantasy of being one. She really had a lot of energy, a lot of fun, and she clearly loved what she was doing. It was very infectious. I couldn’t give it an 8 because I am not sure that the technical level would be that of an opera singer, but I could justify it as well. I gave it a high 7 and just absolutely loved it. You can tell that she has a passion for playing the drums.
TX-medley of fiddle songs. It was entertaining, nothing we haven’t seen before but she did it well enough. I gave it a 7 based on the energy of it, though a lower one. I wasn’t blown away by it, but the overall entertainment value was high.

And there you have it! I did give a lot of 7s and there weren’t any truly bad talents, but it wasn’t a “great” night. It usually never is at Miss America anymore, but sometimes you do get one of those nights where you are really treated to some good performances. Nobody really separated themselves but NY and MI, in my opinion.

I have to jump on a Zoom at 2 but then I will start with the SII/OSQ portions and try to make sense of it all. Look for that later this afternoon.
Subject: NIGHT 1 SEMI RECAP


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Date Posted: 00:47:27 12/13/21 Mon

Top of the late evening!

Night 1 is already in the books. I was a bit overwhelmed with the quick pace of everything, though it was not that much different in 2019. Too much is being squeezed into 2 nights. I realize they are having financial problems, but if the contestants are there couldn't they possibly rent the ballroom for a third night? The social impact statement and the additional onstage question about the same issue is redundant and it adds to the monotony. In my opinion, it is too much and there is entirely too much emphasis on speaking portions of the competition. Red carpet could be (gasp!) just judged on the gown. I know that is too judgemental or whatever the rationale is, but hell. We like pageants!

Speaking of, congratulations to Miss India for winning Miss Universe. She is BEAUTIFUL and very thoughtful, very well-spoken. You know who she reminds me of? Amal Clooney. A little bit in looks, but a global beauty who is intelligent and has both the beauty and passion to make people look at her and hear exactly what she has to say. With all due respect to our contestants, the Miss Universe pageant just embraces being a pageant. The new Miss Universe is every bit as intelligent as the contestants at Miss America. People like gowns just because we like fashion! Nothing wrong with a beautiful woman in an evening gown. I would rather even go back to the year Nia won than all this talking.

That brings me to tonight's competition. Some armchair judges are saying the fix is in for NY. I don't see it that way and I want to see more of the competition to see how it shakes out tomorrow night. I happen to like Sydney. That being said, she is a very unique contestant. She has a very big stage presence, very confident, and she might come off as overconfident to some. What you saw in her talent presentation is similar to how she presents herself. I have no problems with her winning talent. I do not question it. When I saw it, I thought she was very good. But my feeling was: how are the judges going to take this? They would either love it or shy away from it. They loved it. She won over a panel at Miss New York being herself and the judges loved it. But again, too much competition left to call her the winner.

Alaska was one of the most pleasant surprises ever for me. She was soooo shocked when she was called! It was absolutely adorable. She spoke about the Special Olympics and having a developmentally disabled sibling. Without a doubt, she comes off as very genuine, very sweet and kind. In a way, she reminds me of Teresa Scanlan in that she doesn't seem to see herself as a threat to win. She's a bit more quiet and reserved than Teresa, however. I can't wait to see more of her tomorrow night, because the judges absolutely must love her. I can already see why.

My sleeper of the night and of the pageant so far: Colorado. Actually, she isn't a sleeper because Colorado is doing very well at Miss America as of late. She very well may continue that. She has a quiet elegance about her, she is an active military member without beating it to death and she is highly intelligent. I can't wait to get to know more about her.

The 100th anniversary is much more of a bust. The only thing that really got to me is they had a collage of videos with everyone winning. Our Leanza looked so young and vibrant. I got choked up when I saw her. I still can't believe she is no longer with us. Thinking about it, I guess with COVID, being too close to Christmas, etc. maybe that is why so few Miss Americas are there for the 100th anniversary. The whole presentation was a bit awkward because they were waiting and waiting for Miss Americas to come out between pauses. Cara got the most applause. I still think she is very beloved.

I am going to post a complete rundown tomorrow, look for it around 2 p.m or so Eastern time. Overall, talent was not very strong tonight at all. Hoping we see some better performances tomorrow night.
Subject: PRELIMS NIGHT 1 LIVE THREAD


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Date Posted: 19:05:15 12/12/21 Sun

Here we go! I will just respond to this.
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Subject: ABOUT THE MOVE TO PEACOCK


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Date Posted: 10:18:09 12/12/21 Sun

I have mixed feelings about it. On one hand, at least we are going with the trends. Streaming services are here to stay, and popular sports like football are going onto streaming services. It is nice to actually be with the trend than against it or waiting until it is well beyond time to transition. Some of the Olympics were streamed on Peacock this summer.

On the flip side, NBC is running a repeat of a made for TV movie in the time it would have broadcast the pageant. Not exactly a vote of confidence, although with less than 3 million viewers for the 2019 broadcast it was likely destined to the television scrap heap. IF the pageant was being simulcast on Peacock as well as on NBC this probably would have been a minor win, but the ratings may have slipped even further.

To me, this is the death knell of the pageant. It was in 2019 with the changes. But, this is the first we are off of traditional television. And sorry, but streaming services are still different than television. Even though it is the way that cinema and entertainment is headed, the fact that the pageant is not being broadcast is huge. If you read Frank DeFord's book, he predicted that one day the pageant would be on UHF, which was a term for cable back in the days that he wrote the book (mid 1970s.) He was correct about it leaving network TV, around 40 plus years later. I think at this time, even being on a TLC or CMT type network would be moral victory. Maybe it will work on Peacock, but they are also having revenue problems and are not popular outside of your Comcast subscription. If you wanted to set your DVR to record the pageant you are out of luck. If the pageant was on Netflix or Hulu, that would actually be a better service. They are much more popular and more subscribers could be reached.

At the end of the day, the 2019 pageant was the last we will ever see on traditional television. And that is a huge sign that the program is in peril. Not that there are not others but when you lose the thing that makes your organization visible, it is a sign that the end is near. If Peacock does not get the results they want from this, it may not even be an option next year.

This is a long time coming, sadly, but the day is here. This very well could be the last pageant. Hilary Levey Friedman predicted that Miss America would always continue on if even in a ballroom, and that's just about where it is right now. But I am not even sure about that anymore. Too many things are happening.
Subject: HAPPY LABOR DAY


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Date Posted: 18:01:22 09/05/20 Sat

Happy labor day weekend!

You know what, I still miss the pageant, in Atlantic City, after Labor Day. We would all be getting geared up for the pageant, making predictions, looking forward to the contestants departures and pictures. It has been 2 years now, but there's still something missing. Probably for all of us.

Here's to gratitude for all of the amazing contestants over all of those years who made Atlantic City magic.
Subject: ALL TIME FAVORITES ALABAMA-CALIFORNIA


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Date Posted: 17:55:25 07/05/20 Sun

Happy Sunday everyone!

I thought we might pass some time by looking back over the years and listing your favorites from each state. We will do them 5 at a time (plus the District of Columbia). Here's my list:

Alabama-Jenny Jackson, Heather Whitestone, Alison McCreary, ANNA LAURA BRYAN, Meg McGuffin, Jessica Procter, Callie Walker

Alaska-Joslyn Tinker, Stephanie Wonchala, Malie Delgado, Courtney Schuman

Arizona-Stacy Peterson, Stacy Momeyer, Leean Hendrix, Lori Whiting, Kapri Rose, Laura Lawless, Nicole Turner, Kathryn Bulkley, Jennifer Sedler, Katelyn Niemiec, Isabel Ticlo

Arkansas-Paula Roach, Paula Montgomery, Brandi Rhodes, Amber Bennett, Alyse Eady, Sloane Roberts, Darynne Dahlem

California-Susan Anton, JANET CARR, Debbie Maffett, Jennifer Hanson, Rebekah Keller, RITA NG, Stephanie Baldwin, Nicole Lamarche, Veena Goel, Dustin Konzelman, Jacquelynne Fontaine, Melissa Chaty, Kristy Cavinder, CRYSTAL LEE, MARINA INSERRA, EILEEN KIM

LOL the last is not me just remembering every Miss CA. There have been so many great ones over the years. And there were some I really liked too like Jackie Geist but I had to go with my favorite of favorites.

Who are yours?
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Subject: IN MEMORY OF OUR LEANZA


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Date Posted: 10:22:31 10/29/20 Thu

Good morning.

I start this day with a heavy heart and tears. Leanza Cornett, so full of life, passed away yesterday. It seems like only yesterday she became Miss America. It seems impossible that this beautiful bright light has gone out in this realm.

If someone lives their full life, I am saddened to lose someone but consider their passage as an end to a terrific journey. In this case, Leanza was just too young and I keep saying this, but it's true: so full of life. It's hard to believe she will no longer be here with us.

Life is short, we never know. If you would have told me just a few weeks ago that this was going to happen, I would have never believed you. There is also something that I wondered about. Maybe Leanza had a stroke which caused her to fall. It does happen to younger people. We may never know, it's none of our business what happened. But I had thought of that possibility or that she had some kind of medical issue.

I hope Leanza's last days before the accident were what she wanted them to be. Rest in peace, you touched so many lives on this earth. You changed the way that Miss America functioned-taking on a platform which wasn't popular to some. But nonetheless, your compassion was much greater than your broad shoulders to bear the unfounded criticism. It will always be remembered.

This one hurts.
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Subject: 9/11


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Date Posted: 15:07:57 09/12/20 Sat

I was CRAZY busy yesterday, but the events of 9/11 still resonate with me to this day. I wanted to put this as a remembrance of all the lives lost and the devastation caused by the terrorist attacks. 9/11 affected the MAO community. One of the pilots was the cousin of one of the MAO executive staff at the time. Also, the son of Miss America Sharon Ritchie was above the impact zone of the north tower and wasn't able to escape. It touches us all in many ways, directly or indirectly.

We are also a nation in crisis right now. Sadly, some of these problems are coming from within and not outside. I believe it is worse coming from inside because we were all united after 9/11. Some of the problems we are experiencing are caused by division. I encourage everyone to try and find common ground with people you may not agree with. I truly believe those who were lost that day and anyone who is no longer with us would tell us that life is short and it is best spent well lived.
Subject: HILARY LEVEY FRIEDMAN'S NEW BOOK ALL ABOUT PAGEANTRY


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Date Posted: 18:12:23 09/05/20 Sat

I have not seen this mentioned too much, but our favorite Miss America's daughter (tied with Diana Dreman of course!) Hilary Levey Friedman wrote a book about pageantry. I read her other book, and I can attest to how much work she puts into research. Her new book is called Here She Is: The Complicated Reign of the Beauty Pageant in Society. It is available at all major book services. I just ordered mine and will post a full review!

I am looking forward to this because she is giving a well-balanced approach to the prizes and perils of pageantry. Hilary is a great asset to the pageant community. She was not really embraced much by the MAO, but that might be to her benefit right now. I have always liked her and appreciate her commentary. If there was someone in life that I wished I could be friends with if we knew each other in person, it would be her. LOL this is not a paid testimonial. I have only seen and read her posts and read her Twitter account, but she loves pageants as much as we do. More importantly, I think she has always provided a well-rounded approach to the fair criticism but embraces pageantry.
Subject: THE LATEST ROUND OF PERVERTS


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Subject: Help please - talent song/music selections


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Date Posted: 19:09:23 08/15/20 Sat

What are the names of the talent song / music title selections for the following 1994 Miss America contestants talents ?

Any help is GREATLY appreciated

AZ – Stacy Agren – piano
AR – Beth Rankin – piano
CO – Shellene Cockrell – tap dance
DE – Letitia Posey – tap dance
HI – Courtney Glaze – piano
IL – Chuti Tiu – piano
MD – Karessa Jones – ballet dance
MN – Eileen van Driest – flute
ND – Nicci Elkins – tap dance
NV – Laura Hubath –Piano
OR – Roberta Stenbeck – piano
UT – Brooke Anderson – ballet dance
WT – Trisha Ramirez - piano

Thank you!
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Subject: STAY SAFE PAGEANT FAMILY AND FRIENDS


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Date Posted: 00:47:28 08/27/20 Thu

We are all worried about you in the path of Laura. Please stay safe and remember that you have a lot of people praying and wishing for your safety.
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Subject: MISS MONTANA


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Date Posted: 15:31:57 07/26/20 Sun

It looks like we do have one lone titleholder for the class of 2020 that doesn't even exist. Congratulations to Jessica Criss, it looks like she is a genuine young woman who is respected by her peers. Great platform with equine therapy. Am I correct in that she will not be able to compete at next year's Miss America pageant if there is one in 2021?

Also, this is an interesting question: if you were competing today, would you just want to become your state titleholder if it meant never getting to Miss America? Right now if you were competing, do you even believe there will be another Miss America pageant? If that is the case, would you be happy just representing your state for a year? There are still scholarships to be had. And sadly, you can put next to nothing into a wardrobe now. No evening gowns, etc. The new Miss Montana is in a very unique situation. I wish her the best and I hope she has a blessed year as Miss Montana.
Subject: REST IN PEACE TO A GREAT HOST, REGIS PHILBIN


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Date Posted: 15:25:27 07/25/20 Sat

Regis Philbin had a great life and entertained all of us. He did such a great job hosting the pageant. He will be missed, but I remember all of the fun times and laughs he brought us over the years. He was a true friend of the pageant. My favorite memory of him is after Heather Whitestone danced and how the crowd just went wild. On the telecast, he stood admiringly and just stopped and clapped. It was like he was just taken away as the rest of us were. He then shook his head like he had to reset himself back to the rest of the pageant.
Subject: HOPING FOR THE BEST FOR NAYA RIVERA


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Date Posted: 12:28:28 07/09/20 Thu

She is such a young woman, so talented. I haven't heard anything yet this morning, but the more times goes on, this doesn't look good. She has a beautiful 4-year-old son who she was just trying to have a nice day with him. Apparently he was traumatized by this. Just hoping that there is perhaps a better outcome than it looks right now.
Subject: HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY


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Date Posted: 11:49:46 07/04/20 Sat

Happy Independence Day! I hope you all remain safe and take good care of your health. Enjoy as you can, and remember that maybe it is not ideal, but you are doing all of this to save your health for your exciting future :)
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Subject: HONORING PHYLLIS GEORGE


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Date Posted: 09:37:24 05/17/20 Sun

What terrible news to wake up to on a Sunday morning. Rest in peace to one of our quintessential Miss Americas, Phyllis George. To me, Phyllis embodied what a Miss America was supposed to be. Beautiful, bubbly, extremely classy yet down-to-earth, a little larger-than-life. And that was not even the pioneering work that she did in the sports journalism world. I didn't know that she wasn't well. She didn't even seem that old to me. What a wonderful life she lived. This is a great loss to the Miss America community and everyone she knew. Phyllis still attended most Miss America pageants and was featured just a few years ago. She was Miss America. To me, she and Lee Meriwether were the patriarchs of the program. We are still fortunate to still have the gift of Lee. But it is still a huge loss with the loss of Phyllis.
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Subject: Miss Virtual America, Inc.


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Date Posted: 14:00:08 06/08/20 Mon

Try Virtual! Inexpensive, keeps skills sharpened, and provides an introspective look for the contestant trying to improve. Required 4 equally weighted video segments:
60 sec. Speech on self, career, community service
90 sec. Talent
30 sec. Swimsuit (only for MISS) YEAH!!!!!
30 sec. Evening gown
MISS, TEEN, PRETEEN
Check is out www.missvirtualamerica.org
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Subject: Miss Virtual America, Inc.


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Date Posted: 15:29:02 06/07/20 Sun

Try Virtual! Inexpensive, keeps skills sharpened, and provides an introspective look for the contestant trying to improve. Required 4 equally weighted video segments:
60 sec. Speech on self, career, community service
90 sec. Talent
30 sec. Swimsuit (only for MISS) YEAH!!!!!
30 sec. Evening gown
MISS, TEEN, PRETEEN
Check is out www.missvirtualamerica.org
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Subject: A WONDERFUL MAO CONTESTANT, RACHEL BARCELLONA


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Date Posted: 12:41:43 06/06/20 Sat

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/08/us/miss-florida-pageant-contestant-autism-trnd/index.html
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Subject: PAGEANT CONTESTANT DOCUMENTARY


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Date Posted: 00:43:34 05/10/20 Sun

For those of you who have Showtime, I just got finished with a very interesting documentary. It was about Joyce McKinney, who was a former Miss Wyoming World and USA. I won't post any details about it because I want you to draw your own conclusions. If you do decide to see it, or if you have already seen it, post inside a post about your thoughts. Just a note: it does have adult themes. And if you are Mormon, it may be offensive to your faith.

It was one of the most bizarre stories I have ever seen.
Subject: NO STATE OR NATIONAL PAGEANTS THIS YEAR


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Date Posted: 21:36:59 05/09/20 Sat

Hope you all are having a pleasant Saturday. It feels like the middle of February here, I haven't been able to gather with family or friends for almost two months now, people are dying en masse, and I think we've all about reached our frustration levels. I know I have. Put me in the column of the millions of us who are not feeling on top of the world right now.

Quietly, the Miss America pageant/contest/talent search/headhunter event has been canceled and will not happen until 2021. There will be no state competitions/job search/marketing event until next year, either. I knew going into this pageant season that it wasn't looking good for the state pageants. I was almost afraid that they were going to try something like American Idol is doing and making people compete in their homes. That would just never work, even as what the competition has come to like last year. And in the heavy hit areas like New York, the whole East Coast, etc., who knows when it will be until we can all safely gather again? I don't even know if schools will be back in session at the end of summer. I would say that for smaller population states where the deaths aren't too bad, like Alaska or Wyoming, you might be able to safely have a pageant. But that's about it. The facts that we know so far suggest that the areas which are trying to safely open up are seeing surges in new diagnoses. So, it does make sense to postpone things. I know some pageants were being pushed back until September, but that's difficult if colleges and universities are going to open up.

They didn't hold a Miss America pageant the years during the war. So, this to me isn't a really big deal. It is not like this is unprecedented. We are in the middle of a national crisis, and I am still on the side of caution. I did see an article where the casino cities in Connecticut are really struggling:

http://www.courant.com/coronavirus/hc-news-coronavirus-casinos-20200423-5mikt6c2ffdrxpqwtp267vkudq-story.html

I don't think this is without its problems, though. Will Camille have to serve another year? What about the state titleholders who have committed to go back to school? It does look like the runners-up will have the opportunity to take over the title. But what if you want to compete again? I think the only ones who this might benefit are ones who have aged out and would love to serve a year as their state titleholder. I would hope that none of these young women get hassled about needing to move on with their lives if they have things planned. But right now, nobody is even doing any appearances and who knows what the next year will bring?

On a much brighter note, who knows what the next year will bring! There could be some kind of breakthrough and soon. When we start thinking about kids going back to school, it may still happen at the end of the summer. I hope so, for everyone's sakes. Right now, I think testing needs to be a priority. I think if we had a better way of detecting the virus and being able to better isolate and treat people, we could have better results. We at least know right now that very sadly, the elderly are getting the brunt of this. I currently have loved ones in nursing homes and it is scary as hell thinking about them there. But again, things could change for the better sooner than we think. I sure hope so.

I hope that you are all doing as best as you can right now. We are all just trying to do the best we can.
Subject: THE LATEST ROUND OF PERVERTS


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Subject: THE LATEST PERVERTS


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Subject: STORY OF A YOUNG WOMAN SURVIVING SEXUAL SLAVERY


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Subject: ANOTHER POSITIVE STORY


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Date Posted: 23:13:28 04/23/20 Thu

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Subject: FORMER MAO CONTESTANT JULIA RAE SCHLUCTER


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Date Posted: 18:37:09 04/15/20 Wed

Happy Wednesday everyone!

I caught the first episode of the Bachelor show where they attempt to couple up singers. One of the contestants is the lovely, amazing Julia Rae Schlucter who competed in PA and NY. I am not familiar with how she did over the years, but I do know she was first runner-up in at least one of those states? How did she never win a state title? I realize the competition featured three consecutive Miss Americas during the time she would have competed in NY but she's such a great young woman. I absolutely love her. So do some of the men from what it seems.

Can anyone provide us with her pageant history?
Subject: MODERN FAMILY AND TV ENDINGS


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Date Posted: 17:12:59 04/09/20 Thu

Happy Thursday!

I figured since we are all home and watching a lot of TV, I would talk about the end of Modern Family. I have seen the show since its first episode, and I will miss it. I can't say that it was my strongest emotional attachment to a show, but I am going to miss it nonetheless. LOL I was so attached to The Middle that I had to get up and leave the room after I watched. I was a weepy mess. I am a sap as many of you know who read this board. I get attached to the characters on TV shows. When we see these people week after week and we don't get to see them anymore, it is a void. Believe me, there are much worse things in this world. A television show ending is not like losing someone to COVID. But it is still the things that keep us going. People entertain us week after week, sometimes night after night. Life is complex even before COVID. Sometimes our families aren't close and friendships and relationships fall apart. It's nice to have those people who make us laugh or think.
Subject: READ ABOUT SOME KIND ACTS DURING THE COVID CRISIS


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Subject: CONGRATULATIONS TO THE NEW MISS VOLUNTEER AMERICA PAGEANT!!!!!


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Date Posted: 00:56:47 02/28/20 Fri

Happy Thursday everyone!

I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't actually remember a time where the formation of a pageant system was announced in my lifetime. So, it's a pretty big deal. I want to congratulate the Aldersons, the folks that were involved with TN previously, Suzi Doland, and everyone else that worked to make this happen. I commend them all. You know, I really admire people with a vision. Very well done, and the Volunteer America system has the full support of this board. I think the only thing I would like to see is Kerri Arnold have a chance to go to the first of many Volunteer America pageants and even if she has to compete at large, I think she deserves a chance to compete for the national title. And maybe by next March, they may even have a TV home! Congratulations to everyone who made this happen, and you have an army of support behind you.
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Subject: FROM ME TO ALL OF YOU


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Date Posted: 15:08:36 03/29/20 Sun

I just heard this song and needed to hear it. We can all stand to hear it every now and then :) Blessings to all of you during this challenging time.

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Subject: CHECK OUT THIS MISS AMERICA HISTORY BOOK


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Date Posted: 14:23:10 03/05/20 Thu

This new book put together by The Press of Atlantic City is so cool. It's got tons of historical photos of the pageant's history and parade. If you click on the link below, you can get it now at 40% off!! Check it out:

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Subject: WHAT IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW


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Date Posted: 18:59:01 03/14/20 Sat

Happy Saturday everyone!

How are you all doing?

Nothing like this has ever happened in my lifetime. Even though this is a pageant board, I encourage you all to share your experiences with what is happening in our country and in our world right now. It's unprecedented for most of us. I was looking forward to some things which will have to wait until next year. The closest thing was 9/11, but life resumed that following week. This, schools are shut down, sports are either postponed or canceled, television shows are on hiatus, nobody is out and about. Grocery stores are mobbed, people are acting either panicked or paranoid. I think it is a good idea to not spread this, but it is also a different thing than most of us are used to.

I hope you are all doing well and using this time to maybe reconnect with some people and things you might not have done as of late. Most of all, stay safe and healthy.
Subject: I THOUGHT NEW YORK WAS BETTER THAN THIS


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Date Posted: 11:14:53 03/02/20 Mon

I don't mean the state organization, I mean the what is supposed to be progressive state of New York. Although, Staten Island is the more "conservative" of the boroughs.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/miss-staten-island-says-shes-bisexual-is-banned-from-parade/ar-BB10CLya?ocid=ientp

Congratulations to Madison for realizing who she is and being so open in the public. But I am very sad that she has to face discrimination like this in 2020. I don't believe it either that it had to do with "security". They have the gay pride parade every year without any kinds of problems.
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Subject: WHY ARE PAGEANTS SINGLED OUT?


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Date Posted: 15:54:50 02/03/20 Mon

I watched the Super Bowl last night as many of us did, and the halftime show. I felt very frustrated by what I saw. It was NOT empowering to women. Far from it. Basically, it was eye candy for the hordes of men or pre-pubescent teenagers. I looked at Twitter after that to see if anyone felt the same way that I did. Not a word, not a criticism. Latina women were proud to see them representing their community. And of course there weren't any men complaining, save the racist ones who thought that it was "too Spanish". I saw no criticism, but I did see so many videos of Shakira making the lizard tongue that it had to be one every third or fourth post. I didn't read much more after that, I got the idea.

How does this relate to pageants? We get it by now-pageants are degrading to women. The MAO community is still hotly debating the elimination of swimsuits. And those of you who read this board regularly know that I agreed with the argument that it is sexist to ask women in a "scholarship pageant" to walk around in a swimsuit to win a "scholarship" or a "job". You wouldn't find Mark Zuckerberg asking women to walk in a swimsuit and heels for their jobs. But on the other side of the argument, women who compete in swimsuit are NOT selling their sexuality or bodies. Whereas, Jennifer Lopez would not even be in the public vernacular if she didn't sell her body and sexuality. She's a talented dancer. But so is Julianne Hough, and she gets plenty of work for being talented in the world of dancing. And think about the U.S. women's soccer team. They captured the attention and admiration not only of our country, but by many people around the world. They are clearly fit women, talented, and worked extremely hard for all they accomplished. They did not have to sell their sexuality or bodies to be noticed. Female empowerment is about being empowered without being looked at for your accomplishments without regards to your looks, your sexuality, etc. It's about who you are as a person and your intelligence, ambition, etc. Even though a contestant was required to walk across the stage in a swimsuit, they weren't twirking for cameras and shaking their bodies in a sexual way.

So, why are pageants targeted when a hell of a lot worse not only continues, but why is it encouraged? Especially
that we are becoming more advanced and understanding in our society and women are moving towards equality, why the display like we saw last night? I just don't understand it. If you are a feminist, which I am, you should not feel comfortable with an entertainment industry that constantly sells sex. You can have a great halftime show without selling women's sexuality. When Coldplay performed a few years ago, Beyoncé came out and finished the show. Did the powers that be think that we could not possibly be entertained with just Coldplay? I am trying to understand the larger picture here where pageants are demonized for a lot less and when outright exploitation of women is still not discouraged. Any thoughts?
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Subject: PAGEANTOLOGY (SUSIE CASTILLO AND SHANDI FINNESSEY) REVIEW OF MISS AMERICA


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Date Posted: 14:50:15 01/04/20 Sat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jGmJBipv7s

I found their comments very interesting. At approximately 8:10, listen to their comments, particularly about talent. This was a balanced, fair review. I don't disagree with them about making the pageant more about the contestants at all. It would be nice to find a way to balance both traditional elements and giving time to the contestants. Like I said before, if this was a three hour show, I would have appreciated additional interactions with the contestants. As far as modernizing, TLC tried desperately when they first took over televising the pageant. I know the hosts of the show Reality Check were disappointed when Kirsten was crowned, because they thought Nicole Rash and some of the others were much more new school. I see this "competition" is not only a step back in time, it is not even a pageant. It is just a spokesperson's job. A lot of people thought Texas was going to win because she was unconventional. But the truth is, Camille was the best spokesperson. They were looking for a "candidate" for a "job", and that's what they go.

I am glad Susie and Shandi shared the love for Georgia as much as I did and many others did.
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Subject: THE BIG OLD COMPETITION POST


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Date Posted: 23:28:53 12/30/19 Mon

It is an hour until New Year's Eve!

First of all, I want to give my deepest condolences to the Miss Louisiana Organization and anyone who know the lovely, talented Carley McCord. This is so heartbreaking. I just saw a news article where she tried to contact her husband before the unfortunate event. I can handle when someone lives a full life and just gets tired. I have a very hard time with someone so young and full of life not being able to see it to its potential. My thoughts are with all of you right now.

(This got a little long, so sit back and read when you have some time)

FINALLY! I get some time to post about the contest/competition/The Voice? I had work to do-lol it doesn’t exactly fly taking an almost week off this time of year. But alas, I am done. Well, where to begin with this? I guess at the beginning. The stage wasn’t as bad as I thought it would be, but such a step down from Convention/Boardwalk Hall. I know we weren’t going to have a runway, that’s too oh I don’t know, pageant-related, but I thought the stage was very plain compared to what we are used to. But hey, it could have been a lot worse. The prelim stage was REALLY plain. I didn’t really care for the opening introductions, specifically, the grouping of the contestants. There was nothing bad about the regular parade of states. I think they tried to make it look fashion forward, but hopefully none of the contestant’s evening gowns got too dirty having to sit on the floor. Calling out the contestants initially was fine. At least they didn’t drag it out. I appreciated that they didn’t go to commercial, that the top 15 just got to do their thing. I did not like how it was dragged out over two or three commercials announcing the top 7. I don’t think I would have minded the judges’ questions if we had a three-hour telecast. The contestants, as everyone could see, seemed so rushed. I thought that Colorado, despite her rapid speaking, might have been our winner at first. She spoke very intelligently and eloquently. And I thought that Alabama spoke very eloquently as well, too. I had Missouri out initially and Oklahoma after those rounds, because I knew GA and VA weren’t going anywhere, I thought CT sounded very genuine, and CO and AL spoke very well. I wasn’t thrilled about the Baby Boomer question, though I am not one. Some of the others I thought were fair questions. The problem with that round is that most of the contestants sounded so rushed that I would have rather had one or two well-answered questions that I could understand.
In the talent competition, Missouri didn’t do as well then as she did during preliminaries. It looked like the lights were down. The stage was dark in preliminaries, but it had some sort of light overhead. Even Karamo noticed how bad it was for her. It seemed like Simone was very careful, especially in the beginning. Connecticut did about the same in her final night performance as she did in preliminaries. Oklahoma did about the same as well. Georgia, to me, was the clear standout talent. Virginia was about the same as she did in preliminaries. I did not like the elimination once again. By that time, you could tell that the first person was moving forward. Sadly, I knew Connecticut was out. I was thinking that she might be the winner. I know that I didn’t necessarily have her on my solid top 15 list, but she really seemed to excel and get excited as the night went along. I hate to bring up “the old system”, but I think if this was in the CMN prime years, Jillian might have won. I said this about her earlier, but I really could have pictured her with sick children. And I was starting to question VA. I thought that something was off about her all night-she seemed kind of nervous and uptight, whereas GA seemed a little more relaxed and eager. I also thought MO had reached the end of the road by that competition, even though her talent was better than some of the others. I thought perhaps OK was headed forward. When MO did, I really thought she was going to win. In my opinion, she did the best job of presenting herself during that SII round, or whatever the hell it was. I once heard a voter talking about a person running for Congress here. The man said, “I wasn’t really considering voting for him until he asked me for his vote”. MO was the only one who really directly asked for the job of Miss America. And by that time, she kept gaining confidence and momentum each round. So much so, I thought that MO and GA were going to be the final two. Again, there was just something about VA that I was surprised that she kept advancing. I thought that GA and MO had more stage presence and seemed to be more relaxed than she was. And I think like most people, I thought it was kind of refreshing when MO kept walking off in different directions. She was real. I hate that term sometimes (it’s been shoved down our throats with Jennifer Lawrence), but there Simone was, just kind of against the uptight trends of the night. Like Gabriela the year before, I could have seen her walking in and speaking to kids. And then there was Victoria, who genuinely seemed to want it. It’s not that the others didn’t, you just could feel Victoria’s wanting this. I thought she was doing everything she needed to do. I don’t know, I had this feeling that although I wanted it to be her, I was kind of starting to see it for VA. And don’t get me wrong, I do like Camille. I also started to think about the “trend”. The age of Miss America has gotten older the past few years, and Camille was older. No one can complain about her looks-she is very regal looking and looked like a Miss America. I was a little surprised that it was MO that was “eliminated”. I just really did not like those eliminations. By that time, I really wasn’t 100 percent sure who had won. I still thought Victoria did more all night and all week to win. But then again, I couldn’t explain it, but I think that Camille was going to win. I want to go back and watch the pageant in its entirety, but there was one thing that kind of concerned me with Victoria, too. Kelly Rowland asked her, “Do you have any interests besides foster care?” I wasn’t a huge fan of that question, either. I don’t know if the judges thought perhaps that she was too focused, if there was such a thing. Or maybe one-dimensional. Earlier, I saw a wonderful special on CBS where they showed stories about children being adopted out of foster care. I still think it would have been a wonderful platform, but it’s not meant to be this year. And if I really think about it, would you want anyone you liked and respected to have to put up with the current climate of the MAO this year?

The crowning was at least like old times EXCEPT for the fact that for the first time in history, the outgoing winner did not have even have a final walk. For god’s sakes, she served an extra three months. Did she not deserve even a 30 second farewell? They could have maybe actually announced 4 and 3 in the first round to make room for Nia’s farewell. I also thought they waited too long of a pause. Just announce the winner. I think at least on the surface, Victoria took it well. We are only starting to hear bits and pieces about what the week was like for the titleholders. I don’t know if anyone has heard how she feels about her experience, but she couldn’t have done anything more.

I do like Camille and it seems like she is controversial, but I do like her. I would say that she’s going to have to work a bit on seeming nervous and speaking too rapidly, but I am sure she will get it down. During her first press conference, she handled it like a pro. She is very well-spoken and gives good answers. The only thing I didn’t like was her answer about the allegations that Katelynne Cox made. I would have to have to face one of my MAO sisters and more or less come out against her. I don’t think that Camille answered very strongly, but I know I would personally feel uncomfortable having to tow the line at the event of one of my competition sisters. The only other drawback I would see with her is her saying several times now that she has no talent. I knew this would be debated and will for some time to come, but MAO is still putting an emphasis on talent. For her to come out and say that she has no talent and still won is not convincing.

As far as the “competition” itself, I felt like I was waiting for 2 hours for something to get started that ended without it getting started. That in no way resembled anything but a competition show. And most competition shows these days like AGT, DWTS, The Voice, American Idol-it is about talent and not throwing a few short speaking “competitions” where everyone is talking like they inhaled helium to try and get it all out as much as they can. At least come back to where it was last year-the first hour sucked but once evening gown got going and talent, it was much better than this. Things really have to change. If someone is willing to pay for this to be on the air, then there will be a place for it. And the ratings were better than most of us originally thought. But that doesn’t mean that people will tune in next year. I couldn’t even imagine the Hallmark Channel with it’s so-called “traditional values” wanting to take this on and pay for the rights to it. I think it will stay on the air as long as someone else pays for it. But there’s limits, and I predict that in 5 years a telecast ceases to exist. And with the way numbers are down, no money, no sponsorships and poor leadership, Miss America will likely limp to its 100th year and disappear. I do wish this class the best and I am sure that we will start to hear what their years have been like sooner or later. What the public saw on competition night is not going to fly. It gave no entertainment value to anyone. And what executive does not realize that talent shows while solid in the ratings aren't exactly what they used to be? Hell, American Idol is on its second network now. What used to be the biggest show on TV. I half thought that perhaps if Simon Cowell was a judge that maybe people would tune in. But he would have to be paid well to do it, and I highly doubt he would be interested in a speaking competition like this.

I also think NBC dropped the ball. In the beginning we were led to believe that they were going to distribute all talent videos, although some said that it was smoke and mirrors because they didn't want to pay for talent clearances. I have no reason to doubt the latter. But those videos were never edited or released. To be fair, NBC was not paying the MAO, the MAO was paying them. But they did not do much of anything as far as promotion. It's still somewhat on them if the show is a disaster and from public opinion, it was.

Now, what say you? I've read a lot about this, but I am curious to hear some more opinions. Specifically, who did you have winning throughout the night? I changed several times.
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