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Subject: History - Commemorate Martin Luther King Day

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Date Posted: 08:09:23 01/12/17 Thu

1924 – An Hasidic Jewish woman competes in Miss America Pageant
1926 – Native American descent wins Miss America
1933 – A Jewish woman is first runnerup to Miss America
1933, 1940, 1941 – Native Americans won state titles and competed for Miss America
1945 – Jewish woman wins Miss America
1947 – Illustrator Russell Patterson and Yankees owner Doug Hertz campaign for black participation in the MAO
1948 – Black women competed for Miss Philadelphia and Miss Oakland California preliminaries of Miss America Pageant
1948 – Integration of the Armed Forces by Executive Order
1948 – A Chinese descent woman competes for Miss America
1948 – Puerto Rico competes for Miss America
1950 – National Basketball Association becomes integrated
1952 – Formers Shopp, Betbeze and Myerson campaign for all race participation
1952 – A Cape Verdean descent woman wins state title to compete for Miss America
1954 – Brown v Board of Education Supreme Court ruling to end school segregation
1959 – Black women win three locals to compete for state titles
1964 - A black woman is a runnerup for a state title
1964 – Civil Rights Act passes
1965 – Voting Rights Act passes
1967 - Miscegenation / Interracial Marriage Fully legalized
1968 – MAO offers $1000 scholarship to NAACP to encourage participation
1968 – Fair Housing Act passes
1968 – Desegregation Congressional Passage Civil Rights Act (segregated schools)
1969 – First black MAO judge
1970 – Black woman wins state and competes for Miss America
1976 – Black woman makes top 10 for Miss America
1980 – Black woman makes top 5 for Miss America
1983 – Black woman wins Miss America

Rule #7 has been a confusing contradiction. Some claim, such as the late historian Ric Ferentz, that Rule #7 never existed on the national MAO level. There is thought that the rule “only of the white race” was only on some local and state rules, not the national rules. The rule did disappear from all rules sometime from 1948 to 1952. It should be noted that Lenora Slaughter intervened a Washington local to accept Native American contestants in 1948. There is also an interview with Lenora Slaughter from 1959 where she states that all races were welcome and were actually competing in the pageant.

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Subject: History - Judges / 1970's

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Date Posted: 07:34:40 10/10/16 Mon

1970 –
Ms. Joan Crosby, newspaper journalist
Hal David, music composer
Ms. Maria Gambarelli Fenton, prima ballerina
Robert F. Lewine, President Academy Television Art Sciences
Edward Loeb, Vice President Cue Publishing
Norton Mockridge, newspaper columnist
Dr. W. Hugh Moomaw, President Stratford College
Bud Westmore, Director Universal Makeup Department

1971 –
Ms. Vivian Della Chiesa, opera singer
Hal David, music composer
Ms. Maria Gambarelli Fenton, prima ballerina
Art Fleming, television host
Dr. Zelma George, professor
Robert F. Lewine, President Television Academy
Edward Loeb, Vice President Cue Publishing
Norton Mockridge, newspaper columnist
Dr. W. Hugh Moomaw, President Stratford College

1972 – (9)
Ms. Vivian Della Chiesa, opera singer
Ms. Eileen Farrell, opera singer
Art Fleming, television host
Wellington B. Gray, Dean of Art of Temple University
Peter Lind Hayes, actor
Ms. Trudy Haynes, television journalist
Ms. Mary Healy, actress
Robert F. Lewine, President Television Academy
Edward A. Shellhouse, President University Cincinnati

1973 –
Ms. Vivian Della Chiesa, opera singer
Ms. Eileen Farrell, opera singer
Art Fleming, television host
Ms. Peggy Fleming, Olympian athlete
Don Galloway, actor
Dr. Wellington B. Gray, Dean of Art of Temple University
Peter Lind Hayes, actor
Ms. Trudy Haynes, newscaster journalist
Ms. Mary Healy, actress
Ms. Lee Meriwether

1974 –
Ms. Eileen Farrell, opera singer
Eddie Foy III, casting director
Dr. Wellington B. Gray, Dean of Art Temple University
Peter Lind Hayes, actor
Ms. Trudy Hayes, newscaster journalist
Ms. Mary Healy, actress
Ms. Jeanne Meixelle, choreographer
Col. Gilbert Mitchell, music director

1975 –
Ms. Dorothy Alexander, fashion consultant
Joseph Campanella, actor
Frank Deford, writer Sports Illustrated
Don Galloway, actor
Robert F. Lewine, President Television Academy
Ms. Jeanne Meixell, choreography
Ms. Lee Meriwether
Gilbert Mitchell, orchestra conductor

1976 -

1977 –Ms. Frances Briscoe, International Toastmistress Clubs
Ms. Gail Brown, actress
Frank Deford, writer Sports Illustrated
Ms. Eileen Farrell, opera singer
Mrs. Mary Langley, fashion coordinator
Don McDonagh, dance critic New York Times
Robert A. Rushton, President US jaycess

1978 –

1979 –

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Subject: History - Judges / 2010's

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Date Posted: 08:04:14 10/10/16 Mon

2010 – Finals and Preliminaries
Ms. Viveca A. Fox, actress
Ms. Katie Harmon
Dave Koz, musician
Ms. Shawn Johnson, Olympian athlete
Rush Limbaugh, radio journalist host
Paul Rodriguez, comedian (withdrew?)
Ms. Brooke White, singer

2011 – Finals and Preliminaries
Ms. Joy Behar, television host
Marc Cherry, television producer
Tony Dovoloni, dancer Dancing with the Stars
Ms. Marilu Henner, actress
Ms. Tawny Little
Ms. Debby Turner
Mark Wills, singer

2012 – Finals and Preliminaries
Mark Ballas, dancer Dancing with the Stars
Raul de Molina, television producer
Mike Fleiss, television producer The Bachelor
Ms. Kris Jenner, television host
Ms. Teri Polo, actress
Chris Powell, television
Ms. Lara Spenser, television host

January 2013 – Finals
Bradley Bayou, fashion stylist
Ms. Cheryl Burke, dancer “Dancing with the Stars”
Sam Champion, news journalist “Gppd Morning America”
Ms. Mary Hart, news Journalist “Entertainment Tonight”
Daymond John, entrepreneur “Shark Tank”
McKayle Maroney, Olympian athlete
Ms. Katie Stam

September 2013 – Finals
Lance Bass, musician
Joshua Bell, violinist
Mario Cantone, comedian
Ms. Barbara Corcoran, entrepreneur
Ms. Deidre Downs
Ms. Carla Hall, television host
Amar’e Stoudemere, basketball athlete

2013 – Preliminaries
Ms. Shirley Cothran
Richard Dyer, music critic
Ms. Stephanie George, businessperson
Oscar James, fashion stylist
Karl Jurman, music director
Ms. Nita Whitaker, singer
Ms. Cori Wellins, William Morris Endeavor Executive

2014 – Finals
Marc Cherry, television producer
Donald Driver, football athlete
Ms. Kathy Ireland, fashion entrepreneur
Ms. Shawn Johnson, Olympian athlete
Ms. Lee Meriwether
Gen. Anne MacDonald, US Army
Gary Vaynerchuk, social media entrepreneur

2014 – Preliminaries

2015 – Finals
Ms. Kylene Barker
Chris Elderidge, singer
Ms. Danica McKellar, actress
Ms. Amy Purdee, Paralympian athlete
Kevin O’Leary, entrepreneur, Shark Tank
Ms. Vanessa Williams
Ms. Zendaya, actress

2015 – Preliminaries
Noah Alexander, fashion designer
James Brown III, actor
Brian Edwards, television producer
Lanny Griffith, businessman
Ms. Jenni Palos, actress
Ms. Rachel Zalis, fashion writer

2016 – Finals
Ms. Ciara, singer
Mark Cuban, entrepreneur, Shark Tank
Ms. Gabby Douglas, Olympian athlete
Ms. Sara Foster, actress
Ms. Laura Marano, actress
Cole Swindell, singer
Ms. Sharlene Wells

2016 – Preliminaries
Ms. Katherine Barless, actress
Rob Bowman, music director
Ms. Debbie Bryant
Dr. Jennifer Caudle, Physician health journalist
Ms. Nicole Lapin, writer
Ms. Deanna Siller, strategist
David Zin Czenko, social media CEO

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Subject: ARE YOU OK?

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Date Posted: 11:07:44 10/09/16 Sun

I have never posted a message here but I have enjoyed reading others thoughts on Miss America. But I have been very worried since the author/moderator of this board hasn't posted in a long time. I know you said you hadn't been feeling well. And then you never posted your final thoughts on this year's pageant as you said you were going to do. I do not know you, but want you to know there are people that are thinking of you and miss your presence on this board. Sending good thoughts and prayers that all is ok.

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Subject: History / Judges / 1920's

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Date Posted: 13:52:10 10/05/16 Wed

1921 – (incomplete list)
Howard Chandler Christy, artist
John Drew, actor
Edward I. Edwards, New Jersey Governor
Gordon W. Fox, artist
James Fox, artist
Gustav Tott, hotel manager

1922 –
Heywood Campbell, illustrator
Charley Chambers, illustrator
Howard Chandler Christy, illustrator
James Montgomery Flagg, illustrator
Joseph Cummings Chase
August William Hutaf
Dr. Arnold Genthe
Coles Phillips, illustrator
Willy Pogany
Norman Rockwell

1923 – (17 judges)

1924 –

1925 – (incomplete list)
W.T. Rendall, sculptor
Claire Briggs, cartoonist
C.D. Williams, illustrator
Edmund Davenport, artist
Earl Carroll, stage producer Vanities
Frank Tuttle, motion picture director

1926 –
Robert Aitken, illustrator
McClelland Barclay, illustrator
R. Fayerweather Babcock, illustrator
Clare Briggs, illustrator
Arthur William Brown, illustrator
Haskell Coffin, illustrator, created Cover Girl Magazine
Dean Cornwell, illustrator
Edmund Davenport, illustrator
John La Gatta, illustrator
Paul R. Kreger, illustrator
William G. Krieghoff, illustrator
Louis St John, Director of Judges, illustrator
W. D. Stevens, illustrator
Charles D. Williams, illustrator

1927 –

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Subject: History - Judges / 2000's

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Date Posted: 08:00:06 10/10/16 Mon

2000 – Finals

2000 – Preliminary
Ms. Tawny Godin
Derek E. Gordon, Vice President JFK Performing Arts Center
Ms. Helen Cash Jackson, Director NY Council on the Arts
Ms. Christy Little, court judge
Myron Martin, music arranger
Ms. Jeanne Swanner Robertson, comedian
Rich Taylor, vice President Disney Corporation

2001 – Finals and Preliminary
Ms. Janet Langorn Cohen, President Langhart Communications
John J. Dalton, Secretary of the Navy
Sanford L. Fox, CEO Executive Search Group
Karl Jurman, music director / composer
Harvey MacKay, writer
Ms. Lee Meriwether
Ms. Patricia Northrup, pilot American Airlines

September 2002 – Finals and Preliminaries
Ms. Donna Axum
Ms. Gwendolyn Cavert Baker, President Baker Education
Ms. Kay Casstevens, Chief Staff Maryland Govenment
Evan Dobelle, President University of Hawaii
Jose Feghali, concert pianist
Ms. Tammy Haddad, news producer
James Matthew Jones, Vice President Vaccine Fund

September 2003 – Finals and Preliminaries
Ms. Kim Aiken
Fletcher Foster, Vice President Capitol Records
Ms. Camille Lavington, corporate consultant
Jon Spoelstra, President Mandalay Sports
Ms. Rebecca Stafford, President Monmouth University
Ms. Greta van Susteren, news journalist
Donald Welch, writer / director / producer

September 2004 – Finals and Preliminaries
Ms. Kellye Cash
Ms. Jennifer Hanson, singer
Lawrence Hamilton, Broadway musical actor
Phil Maloof, former NM Senator
Barry Phillips, film director / producer
Ms. Niki Taylor, model
John Weidman, writer

January 2006 – Finals
Ms. Jane Kaczmarek, actress
Ms. Leeza Gibbons, television journalist
Brian McKnight, singer
Jerry Rice, NFL athlete
Ms. Brenda Strong, actress
Robert Verdi, fashion consultant
Ms. Sharlene Wells

2006 – Preliminaries
Ms. Isisara Bey, Vice President Sony Entertainment
W. Harold Foster, Dean Concorde College
Richard V. Johnson, model agency
Ms. Rebecca King
Ms. Sue Lowder, Muscular Dystrophy Association
Ms. Erika Schwartz, Attorney Wright Entertainment

January 2007 – Finals
Ms. Debbie Allen, actress
Nigel Barker, photographer
Ms. Delta Burke, actress
Michael Fierstein, musician
Chris Matthews, television host
Ms. Susan Powell

2007 – Preliminaries

January 2008 –
Trace Ayala, fashion designer
Ms. Sarah Ivens, magazine editor
Ms. Jackie Joyner-Kerser, Olympian athlete
Jason La Padura, casting director
Ms. Kim Lyons, personal trainer
Ms. Robin Meade, news journalist
James Arthur Ray, motivational speaker

2008 – Preliminaries

January 2009 – Finals and Preliminaries
Ms. Paige Adams Geller, fashion designer
Ms. Laura Bell Bundy, musical actress
Ms. Nicole Johnson
Cullen Jones, Olympian athlete
Ms. Beth Klein, Vice President Showtime Casting
Jim Moret, news journalist
Ken Paves, celebrity hairstylist

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Subject: History - Judges / 1990's

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Date Posted: 07:45:17 10/10/16 Mon

1990 – Finals
Ms. Delta Burke, actress
Ms. Nell Carter, actress
John Forsythe, actor
Ms. Shirley Jones, actress
Larry King, television journalist
Sidney Sheldon, writer
Ms. Cynthia Sikes, actress

1990 – Preliminaries
Ms. Florence Anthony, columnist NY Post
Gianna D’Angela, opera singer
Ms. Jane Jayroe
Ray Murray, television host
Jerry Rife, Vice President Image Films
Ms, Jeanne Swanner Robertson, comedian
Thommie Walsh, choreographer

1991 – Finals
Ms. Kathleen Battle, opera singer
Pierre Cossette, producer
Ms. Lee Meriwether
Paul Sorvino, actor
Ms. Marilyn Van Derbur
Patrick Wayne, actor
Mortimer Zuckerman, Editor US News World Report

1991 – Preliminaries
Ms. Mary D’Arcy, musical actress
Vernon Desear, Florida Symphony
Ms. Mary Jennings, opera singer
Malcolm Poindexter, KYW News Philadelphia
Glenn Richtor, Music Professor University of Texas
BeBe Shopp
Tony Stevens, choreographer

1992 – Finals
Ms. Donna Axum
Ms. Faith Daniels
Michael Dorn
Dann Florek
Ms. Susan Strohman
Ms. Cindy Williams
Paul Wylie

1992 – Preliminaries
Ms. Dorothy Benham
Ann Marie Bivans, writer
Susan Eby, newscaster
Tom Faircloth, producer
Dennison Keller, producer
Joan Sittenfeld, Vice President Talent Universal Productions
Clarence Walden, Editor Jet Magazine

1993 – Finals
Kim Alexis, model
Dick Cavett, television host
Suzanne de Passe, television producer
Pierre Cossette, Broadway producer
Ms. Phyllis George
Ms. Ann Moore, Publisher People Magazine
Joan Van Ark, actress

1993 – Preliminaries
Ms. Janice Berman, dance critic
John R. Bourgeois, Chairman American Bandmasters
Dorothy J. Papadakos, concert organist
Jeannie Park, editor Entertainment Weekly
Ms. Susan Perkins
Irvin D. Reid, President Montclair College
John B. Zerbe, President Hershey Entertainment

1994 – Finals
Harvey Fierstein, composer
Dan Jansen, Olympian athlete
Bruce Jenner, Olympian athlete
Buddy Morra
Ms. Susan Powell
Ms. Emma Samms, actress
Ms. Cheryl Tiegs, model
Ms. Vera Wang, fashion designer

1994 – Preliminaries
William Goldman, writer
Ms. Nancy Gregory, choreographer
Ms. Rebecca King
Malcolm Poindexter, journalist
Michael Rafter, musical director
Ms. Jeanne Robertson, comedian

1995 – Finals
Ms. Kristian Alfonso
Ms. Kylene Baker
Ms. Barbara de Angels
Bruce Jenner
Jerry Orbach
Holly Robinson Peete
Vera Wang

1995 – Preliminaries
Ms. Debra Barnes
Ms. Shirley Cothran
Herman Dorsey Jr, engineer
Jeffrey Gibler, ballet master Pennsylvania Ballet
Karl Jurman, music conductor
Ms. Debra Maffett
Ms. Marian McKnight

1996 – Finals
Joseph Barbara
Ms. Barbara De Angels
Ms. Janet Evans
Ms. Nancy Fleming
Ms. Deborah Norville, news journalist
Scott O’Grady

1996 – Preliminaries
Warwick Carter, composer
Myron Martin, Director Liberace Foundation
Ms. Jacqueline Mayer
Ms. Kim Morgan, musical performer
Tandy Rice, President Top Billing International
Ms. Noreen Skagen, Washington State Marshall
Rich Taylor, Director Disney Attractions

1997 – Finals
Ms. Angie Everhart, actress
Ms. Jeanne Jackson, President Banana Republic
Ms. Julie Moran, television correspondent
Ms. Debbye Turner
Kenny Ortega, choreographer
Gerry L. Spence, court attorney

1997 – Preliminaries
Robert K. Goodwin, President Points of Light Foundation
Heather Hertling, musical actress
Dwight Jordan, Director Showchoir Camps America
Vicki Gold Levi, writer
Matt Rollings, musician
Ms. Andy Taylor, singer

1998 – Finals
Ms. Nora McAniff, Publisher People Magazine
Ms. Debbie Morgan, actress
Ms. Nancy O’Dell, television correspondent
Stephen Schwartz, composer
Ms. Shawntel Smith
Picabo Street, Olympian athlete

1998 – Preliminaries
Diane Gibson, entertainment manager
Robert K. Goodwin, President Points of Light Foundation
Tamara Jacobs, womens advocate
Marc Nuttle, President Sequoyah Information Systems
Tom Paterra, singer
Susan Powell
Joe Tremaine, choreographer

1999 – Finals
Michael Badalucco, actor
Gretchen Carlson
Tia Carrere, actress
Nely Galan, President Telemundo
Briana Scurry, Olympian athlete
Judy Sheindlin, court judge

1999 – Preliminaries
Tawny Little
Bernard A. Maguire, President VPA Corporation
Richard Parker, Chairman Parker Publishing
David Pocock, Director American Pianist Association
Lauren Snodgrass, Oregon House of Representatives
Arlene Violet, State Attorney General
Donald Welch, actor / writer / producer

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Subject: History - Judges / 1980's

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Date Posted: 07:38:09 10/10/16 Mon

1980 –

1981 –

1982 –
Ms. Evelyn Ay
Foster Brooks, comedian
Ms. Chris Calloway, actress
Wink Martindale, television host
Rod McKuen, writer / poet
Ms. Caroline Tose, Director Eagles Cheerleaders
Herman Vincent, musician composer

1983 –
Ms. Lois Geraci Ernst, advertising agency President
Christopher Little, photographer
Ms. Jeanne Maxwell, dance company President
Ms. Marian McKnight
Rod McKuen, writer poet
Ms. Marguerite Piazza, opera singer
Ms. Tandy Rice, music agency President
Jerry Vale, singer

1984 –
Ms. Pearl Bailey, actress
Ms. Vivian Blaine, actress
Josiah Bunting III, President Briarcliff College
Sam Haskell, executive William Morris Agency
Ms. Rebecca King
Chris Little, photographer
Leroy Neiman, artist
Ms. Dixie Ross Neill, opera singer

1985 –

1986 –
Theodore Bikel, actor
Ms. Shirley Cothran
Bernard J. Dobroski, Dean Oregon University School of Music
Ms. Dody Goodman, actress
Sam Haskall, executive William Morris Agency
Bernard A. Maguire, National Director Federal Management
Ms. Lillian Montececchi, opera singer
Ms. Dee Dee Wood, choreographer

1987 –
Ms. Martina Arroyo, opera singer
Frank Deford, writer Sports Illustrated
Ms. Judith Ford
Jack Grossbart, television producer
Rupert Holmes, composer
Ms. Anita Mann, choreographer
Ms. Melba Moore, actress
Bill G. Young, communications consultant

1988 – Finals
Brain Boitano, Olympian athlete
Dr. Joyce Brothers, psychologist / television journalist
Richard Dysart, actor
Ms. Eileen Ford, modeling agency
Ms. Eva Gabor, actress
Ms. Phyllis George
Ms. Deborah Norville, broadcast journalist
George Peppard, actor
Blair Underwood, actor
Ms. Lili Fini Zanuck, producer

1988 – Preliminaries
William Goldman, writer
Ms. Trudy Haynes, news journalist

1989 – Finals
Ms. Debbie Allen, actress
Dr. Joyce Brothers,
Ms. Claudia Cohen, newspaper columnist
Merv Griffin, television host / entrepreneur
Ms. Phylicia Rashad, actress
Mike Schmidt, Phillies baseball athlete
Donald Trump, businessman entrepreneur

1989 – Preliminaries
Ms. Donna Axum
Jeff Brock, President Music
Vernon Desear, symphony President
Bernard Dobroski, Dean Oregon University School of Music
Ms. Linda Haberman, choreographer
Ms. Frances Hooks, executive NAACP
Bill G. Young, communications consultant

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Subject: History - Judges / 1960,s

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1960 –
Geroge Balanchine, choreographer
Bennett Cerf, President Random House Publishing
Ms. Phyllis Cerf, newspaper writer
Mark Goodson, television producer
Ms. Ernestine Black Grigsby, President Panhellenic Society
Herbert Hayes, Director McCalls Corporation
Mitch Miller, musician
Ms. Blanche Thebom, opera singer
Bud Westmore, makeup manufacturer
Coby Whitmore, illustrator
Ms. Peggy Wood, actress

1961 –
Edward Marshall Boehm, sculptor
Ms. Joan Crawford, actress
Dr. Theodore A. Distler, Dean Lafayette College
Morgan J. Doughton, President US Jr Chamber of Commerce
Kurt F.G. Japay, photographer
Ted Mack, television host
David Merrick, Broadway producer
Harlan Miller, writer
Ms.June Taylor, choreographer
Bernie Wayne, music composer

1962 –
Edward Marshall Boehm, sculptor
Bob Conger, Presidnet US Jr Chamber of Commerce
Ms. Arlene Dahl, actress
Dr. Theodore A. Distler, Director Association American Colleges
Kurt F.G. Japay, photographer
Michael Lellis, Broadway producer
Mrs. William Nash, President Panhellenic Society
Ms. Ruth Slenczynska, concert pianist
Al Trescony, MGM Casting Department
Bernie Wayne, music composer

1963 –
Larry Aldrich, President NY Couture Group
Ms. Fran Allison, television host
Mrs. Dexter Otis Arnold, President Federation Womens Clubs
Douglas Blankenship, President US Jr Chamber of Commerce
Dr. Theodore A. Distler, Director Association American Colleges
Arthur Fiedler, symphony conductor
Ms. Maria Martel, fashion photographer
Blanche Thebom, opera singer
Ted Thorp, President Cinegraf Productions
William Seldman Todson, President Goodson Todman Productions
Al Trescony, MGM Productions

1964 – (11)
Ms. June Allyson, actress
James T. Aubrey Jr., President CBS
John Brownlee, Manhattan School of Music
Ms. Elizabeth Dyer, Panhellenic Chairwoman, President Chi Omega
Richard H. Headlee, President US Jr Chamber of Commerce
Leonard Keirsch, President Cox Broadcasting Corporation
John K.M. McCaffrey, news commentator
Ms. Nettie Rosenstein, fashion designer
Ted Thorpe, Presidnet Cinegraf Productions
J. Albert Trescony, MGM Casting & Talent Department
Ms.Marilyn Van Derbur

1965 –
John Brownlee, opera singer
John Canady, art critic New York Times
Alexander H. Cohen, producer
Ms. Joan Crawford, actress
Ms. Jean Dalrymple, Director NYC Light Opera
Bill Doll, Director Broadway Association
Mrs. William H. Hasebroock, President Federation of Womens Club
Stan Ladley, President US Chamber of Commerce
J. Albert Trescony, Director of MGM Casting
Ms. Onna White, choreographer

1966 –
Ms. Licia Albanese, opera singer
Ms. Mimi Benzell, opera singer
Alexander H. Cohen, producer
Bill Doll, Director Broadway Association Public Relations
George P. Hunt, editor Life Magazine
Vincent Price, actor
Ms.Onna White, choreographer
Lawrence Shubert Jr., Shubert Theaters
James A. Skidmore, President US Jaycess
J. Albert Trescony, Director of MGM casting
Donald Voorhees, symphony conductor

1967 –
Ms. Lucia Albanese, opera singer
Ms. Mimi Benzell, opera singer
Al Capp, cartoonist Li’l Abner
Ms. Patricia Collins, newspaper journalist
Bill Doll, public relations
Norton Mockridge, newspaper columnist
Mrs. E.D. Pearce, President Federation Womens Clubs
William W. Suttle, Board of US Jaycess
Donald Voorhees, symphony conductor

1968 –

1969 –
Ms. Joan Crosby, newspaper journalist
Hal David, music composer
Dr. Zelma George, professor
Mrs. Jane Pickens Langley, artist
Ed Loeb, Vice President Cue Publishing
Leon Leonidoff, Producer Radio City Music Hall
Mrs. Walter V. Magee, President Federation Womens Clubs
Norton Mockridge, newspaper columnist
Wendell E. Smith, President US Jr Chamber of Commerce
Bud Westmore, Director Universal Makeup Department

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Subject: Hisdtor - Judges / 1950's

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Date Posted: 07:26:57 10/10/16 Mon

1950 –

1951 –
Ms. Norwood Baker, Converse College
Ms. Frances Burke
Ms. Ceil Chapman, fashion designer (designed official Miss America gown)
Felix W. Coste, advertising director Coca Cola
Vinton Freedley, film producer
Hal Phyfe, photographer
Lee Price Jr., President US Jr Chamber of Commerce
William Selden, dean NWU
Deems Taylor, music critic / composer

1952 –
Ms. Elizabeth Arden, cosmetics manufacturer
Ms. Yolande Betbeze
Vinton Freedley, film producer
Waights G. Henry Jr, President LaGrange College
Dr. A.R. Olpin, President University of Utah
Hal Phyfe, photographer
Ms. Cornelia Otis Skinner, actress
Deems Taylor, music critic / composer
Charles Ventura, newspaper editor
Coby Whitmore, illustrator

1953 –
Jee DeMere, illustrator
Dain J. Domich, President US Jr Chamber of Commerce
Dr. Henry Grattan Doyle, Dean Columbia college
Vinton Freedley, stage producer
Ms. Jeannette MacDonald, singer / actress
Dr. B. Joseph Martin, President Wesleyan College
Ms. BeBe Shopp
Mrs. Edwin D. Sullivan
Deems Taylor, music critic / composer
Coby Whitmore, artist

1954 –
Dr. Paul r. Anderson, President Pennsylvania College for Women
Dr. Paul D. Bagwell, Michigan State College
Ms. Mimi Benzell, opera singer
Ms. Grace Kelly, actress
E. LeMar Buckner, President Jr Chamber of Commerce
Ms. Venus Ramey
Paul Whiteman, Vice President ABC
Deems Taylor, music critic / composer
Hal Phyfe, photographer
Joe De Mers, illustrator

1955 –
John Adakin, music director / conductor
Walter Cassell, opera singer
Frank Farrell, journalist
Dr. Louis Jefferson Long, President Wells College
Hugh F. McKenna, President Jr Chamber of Commerce
Hal Phyfe, photographer
Ms. Helen B. Schleman, Womens Dean Purdue University
Deems Taylor, music critic / composer
Ms. Barbara Walker
Jon Whitcomb, magazine editorial artist

1956 –
Ralph Blane, musical composer / director **
Mrs. Robert Carlton Byers, educator / journalist
Dean Cornwell, illustrator
Wendell J. Ford, President Jr Chamber o Commerce
Dave Garroway, news journalist
Ted Mack, television host
Hugh Martin, musical composer / director **
Ms. Jacque Mercer
Ms. Mildred Miller, opera singer
Raoul Walsh, film director
Dr. Val H. Wilson, Dean Colorado Womens College

1957 –
Dr. John A, Barry Jr, President Coker College
Ms. Mimi Benzell, opera singer
Ms. Yolande Betbeze
Ms. Kitty Carlisle, opera singer
Mrs. Beatrice I. Hogan, Chairman Panhellenic Society
Theodore Mann, theatrical producer
Wade H. Nichols Jr, Director McCall Corporation
Joseph Pasternak, film producer
Charles E. Shearer, President US Jr Chamber of Commerce
Deems Taylor, music critic / composer
Coby Whitmore, illustrator

1958 –
Edward Marshall Boehm, sculptor
Ms. Kitty Carlisle, opera singer
Bennett Cerf, President Random House Publishing
Robert V. Cox, President US Jr Chamber of Commerce of C
Moss Hart, composer producer
Ms. Heidi Krall, opera singer
Mitch Miller, musician
Mrs. Rosita H. Nordwall, Chairman Panhellenic Conference
Ms. Anne Gary Pannell, President Sweet Briar College
Richard Browning Pope, Director Cypress Gardens

1959 –
Cliff Arquette, comedian
Mrs. Margaret Atkinson Biddle, Defense Advisory Committee
Major General Anthony J. Drexel Biddle, American diplomat
James Browing, Administrator Metropolitan Opera
Bob Clark, President US Jr Chamber of Commerce
Ms. Kathleen Crowley, actress
Ms. Esther Lloyd Jones, Professor Columbia University
Ms. Elaine Malbin, opera singer
Mitch Miller, musician
Norman L. Rice, Dean Carnegie College of Fine Arts
Ms. Pauline Trigere, fashion designer

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Subject: History - Judges / 1945

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Date Posted: 07:21:33 10/10/16 Mon

1945 –
Arthur William Brown, illustrator
Harry Conover, model agency
Dean Cornwell, illustrator
Bradshall Crandell, illustrator
Ms. Vyvyan Donner, fashion editor
Sidney Piermont, Executive Mike Todd Productions
John Robert Powers, model agency
Conrad Thibault, opera concert artist
Vincent Trotta, art director
Ms. Lois Wilson, actress
Ms. Prunella Wood, fashion writer

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Date Posted: 00:51:18 09/12/16 Mon

Good evening everyone!

Well, it's another year in at Miss America. Congratulations to Savvy Shields. I don't think any of us would say she is a WTF? winner but the rest of the top 15, well, that's another story. I warned about the unexpected but even I didn't see it going quite that way. There were some pleasant surprises including the talented Miss Massachusetts and Miss Louisiana. I'm glad California was in the top 10. Maybe there is some hope for the state after all. My favorite inclusion was Miss Idaho.

I think that the eventual winner, New York and Washington kicked it into high gear tonight. They performed better than they had all week, particularly Washington. Onstage questions were THE WORST that I've ever heard in the history of the pageant. Granted, nobody wanted to give a controversial answer, but still.

So much to say, and I will put it all in a post tomorrow, so stay tuned! I am going to keep it real with all of you. This was, in all of my years, a year that I really won't see sad to go. The best talent was left standing. We had potential for so much more and it wasn't realized. And I will watch the show back tomorrow, but some of what those judges were saying made me shudder.

One thing I will say. I don't dispute that Savvy earned her win. Two panels chose her. I thought the preliminary panel was off on their judging. I knew there was something to it with that talent win. Savvy was better tonight, no doubt. She wasn't that good in preliminaries.

More tomorrow!

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Subject: History - Judges / 1940's

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Date Posted: 14:00:07 10/05/16 Wed

1940 –
Al Altman, MGM Studio
Ms. Irma Coleman, cosmetics manufacturer
Ms. Vyvyan Donner, fashion editor
W.W. Forster, Pittsburgh Press
Hap Hadley, illustrator
John Held Jr., illustrator
George B. Petty, illustrator
John Powers, modeling agency
Walter Reagles, art director General Electric
Billy Rose, showman
Vincent Trotta, art director
Ned Weyburn, stage producer

1941 –
Armondo, art director of Lord and Thomas
Ms. Vyvyan Donner, fashion editor
J. Walter Flynn, magazine art director
Hap Hadley, illustrator
John Held Jr., illustrator
George B. Petty, illustrator
John Robert Powers, modeling agency
Conrad Thibault, concert
Ned Weyburn, stage producer
Ms. Lois Wilde, actress

1942 –
Harry Conover, modeling agency
Ms. Vyvyan Donner, fashion editor
J. Walter Flynn, magazine art editor
W.W. Forster, Pittsburgh Press
Hap Hadley, illustrator
Russell Patterson, illustrator
John Robert Powers, modeling agency
Conrad Thibault, opera concert artist
Vincent Trotta, art director

1943 –
Martin Branner, Winnie Winkle cartoonist
Harry Conover, modeling agency
W.W. Forster, Pittsburgh Press
Hap Hadley, illustrator
Russell Patterson, illustrator
John Robert Powers, modeling agency
Alex Raymond, Flash Gordon cartoonist
Horace Schmidlapp, Broadway producer
Conrad Thibault, opera concert
Vincent Trotta, art director
Ms. Prunella Wood, fashion editor

1944 –

1945 – (10)
Arthur William Brown, illustrator
Harry Conover, model agency
Dean Cornwell, illustrator
Conrad Thibault, opera concert artist
Vincent Trotta, art director

1946 –
Ms. Jean Bartel
Arthur William Brown, Illustrator
Harry Conover, model agency
Dean Cornwell, llustrator
Ms. Vyvyan Donner, fashion editor
Mrs. Henry Grattan Doyle, Board of Education
Dr. Edward M. Gwathmey, President Converse College
Hap Hadley, illustrator
Russell Patterson, illustrator
Conrad Thibault, opera concert artist
Vincent Trotta, art director
Ms. Lois Wilson, actress
Ms. Prunella Wood, fashion writer

1947 –
Ms. Norwood Baker, Converse College
Frank J. Black, music director
Henry Grattan Doyle, George Washington University
Alfred V. DuPont, architect
Justin Miller, President Nat’l Radio Broadcasters
John Redmond, songwriter
Ms. Wynn Richards, photographer
Conrad Thibault, concert musician
Vincent Trotta, art director
Coby Whitmore, illustrator
Earl Wilson, journalist

1948 –
Paul D. Bagwell, President Natl Jr Chamber of Commerce
Ms. Norwood Baker, Converse College
Henry Grattan Doyle, George Washington University
Alfred V. DuPont, architect
Mrs. J. Paul Faulkner, theater director
John Redmond, songwriter
Conrad Thibault, opera concert artist
Vincent Trotta, art director
Coby Whitmore, illustrator
Earl Wilson, journalist

1949 –
Paul R. Anderson, President Pennsylvania College for Women
Ms. Ceil Chapman, fashion designer
Clifford D. Cooper, President Natl Jr Chamber of Commerce
Ms. Vyvyan Donner, fashion editor
Hal Phyfe, photographer
Guy Everett Snavely Jr., educational foundation
Conrad Thibault, opera concert artist
Vincent Trotta, art director
Ms. Barbara Walker
Coby Whitmore, illustrator
Earl Wilson, journalist

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Subject: History - Judges / 1930's

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Date Posted: 13:55:02 10/05/16 Wed

1933 –
David Alman
Peter Arno, cartoonist
George Beucher, artist
Edward Coward
Armand Nichols, MAO Executive
Ms. Gladys Glad, Ziegfeld Follies
Russell Patterson, illustrator
Walter Thornton, illustrator
Hugh Walter, illustrator
George White, stage producer

1935 –
McClelland Barclay, artist
Earl Carroll, stage producer
Giuseppe Donata, artist
Elias Goldensky, photographer
Nils T. Granlund, stage producer
Louis St. John, Atlantic City Chamber of Commerce
Walter Clarence Thornton, model agency
Vincent Trotta, art director
Willard Van der Veer, film cinematographer

1936 – (incomplete list)
Armondo, art department of Lord and Thomas
James Montgomery Flagg, Illustrator
John H. Harris, President Variety Club of America
Ms. Zoe Mozert, artist
George B. Petty, Esquire Illustrator
Vincent Trotta, art director

1937 –

1938 –
Fred Allen, radio
Al Altman, MGM
Major Edward Bowes, radio personality
Cecil B. DeMille, film director
James Montgomery Flagg, illustrator
Ms. Alicia Flagler, McFadden Academy
John Held Jr., illustrator
Ms. Zoe Mozert, artist
Ms. Elinor Guthrie Neff, Harper’s Bazaar
George Petty, illustrator
Joseph Pincus, 20th Century Fox
Vincent Trotta, art director
Ned Weyburn, theater producer

1939 –
Armondo, advertising agency director
W.W.. Forster, Manager Pittsburgh Press
Hap Hadley, illustrator
John Held Jr., illustrator
George B. Petty, illustrator
Matthew Scammell, Trenton manufacturer
Ms. Marion Talley, Opera star
Vincent Trotta, art director
Ned Weyburn, theater producer

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Date Posted: 22:06:06 09/30/16 Fri

I have been banned and have no idea why? Why do they ban folks without saying why Is theree another board

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Date Posted: 00:17:08 09/14/16 Wed

Good evening everyone!

I hoped to have the full recap up by now. But I developed a nasty bronchitis somewhere along the weekend. I have already gotten sick before at MA but nothing quite this bad. I think someone did not practice good hand washing skills lol.

I got to see Savvy's appearance on Kelly Ripa and I concur with Kelly. Wherever she got those people skills from was quite impressive. I think she did a great job and she is quite the natural. Being an NCIS fan I thought it was cool to be able to meet Michael Weatherly and Carol Burnett on the same day.

Look for the full recap sometime tomorrow. I've got plenty to say!

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Date Posted: 00:21:48 09/10/16 Sat

If you are wondering how to figure in the preliminary winners to the top 5, here are some fun facts to consider. Many years, the makeup of the top 5 is 2/3. Meaning, there will be either 2 preliminary winners and 3 non-preliminary winners. Or, there will be 3 preliminary winners and 2 non-preliminary winners. Last year, there were two preliminary winners (GA and LA) and three non-preliminary winners (AL, CO and MS) in the top 5. But there have been some anomalies over the years. Any before 1990 you might have to do some research, but here is a history of the top 5 anomalies over the years since 1991.

1991—4 of the top 5 were preliminary winners. MS (talent), IA (talent), NY (talent) and HI (swimsuit)
1999—Only 1 of the top 5, and the eventual winner, was a preliminary winner KY (swimsuit)
2000—Technically, all of the top 5 were preliminary winners. Initially, 4 of the top 5 were preliminary winners. MS (swimsuit), CA (talent), LA (talent and swimsuit) and HI (swimsuit). However, after it was revealed that a judge had ties to Miss Texas, scoring was retabulated without his scores. This resulted in a different set of winners, including 4th runner up and additional swimsuit winner Whitney Boyles.
2001—4 of the top 5 were preliminary winners DC (talent and interview), TN (swimsuit and evening gown), MA (swimsuit and interview) and OR (talent)
2002—4 of the top 5 were preliminary winners MD (talent and evening gown), NV (interview), OK (talent) and IL (interview)
2014—Only 1 of the top 5 was a preliminary winner FL (swimsuit)

Since the preliminary judging was a headscratcher this year, I know many people are considering their lists. Most times, the preliminary winners are distributed across the top 10/15. But you never know and considering none of us have an idea how this is going to go, it’s fun thinking about.

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Subject: For fun I added up the scores the forum admin gave each contestant

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Date Posted: 20:26:21 09/09/16 Fri

I added up the scores given in SS, EG and Talent and ranked them from highest to lowest below. Two things:

1. Puerto Rico wasn't given a talent score, it was just stated it'd be low. I therefore gave her 1 point lower (3) in talent than the lowest scorer(4).

2. Same girls had a range of scores because the admin would rank 7-7.5 for example instead of just 7 sometimes. For these girls I figured out their lowest score possible and highest possible and then took the average.

This obviously means nothing, but thought it was fun.

1. Maryland 26
2. Georgia 25.75
3. Ohio 25.25
4. South Carolina 25
5. Oklahoma 24.75
6. Kentucky 23.75
7. Mississippi 23.25
8. Alaska 23
Colorado 23
Connecticut 23
11. Iowa 22.5
Michigan 22.5
13. Nebraska 22.25
Texas 22.25
15. Alabama 22
Florida 22
Louisiana 22
18. Illinois 21.75
North Carolina 21.75
20. Kansas 21.5
Tennessee 21.5
New Jersey 21.5
23. District of Columbia 21.25
Massachusetts 21.25
Virginia 21.25
26. Arkansas 21
Idaho 21
Indiana 21
New Hampshire 21
New York 21
31. West Virginia 20.75
32. Wyoming 20.5
33. Arizona 20
Hawaii 20
Pennsylvania 20
36. Delaware 19.75
Rhode Island 19.75
38. Oregon 19.5
Utah 19.5
40. Missouri 19.25
New Mexico 19.25
42. California 19
Minnesota 19
South Dakota 19
45. Nevada 18.75
46. Vermont 18.5
47. Puerto Rico 17.75
48. Montana 17.5
Washington 17.5
Wisconsin 17.5
51. Maine 17
52. North Dakota 16

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Subject: MY TRY AT A TOP 15

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Date Posted: 13:35:41 09/11/16 Sun

Good afternoon everyone!
This is kind of a weird day with the pageant falling on the anniversary of 9/11. This is always a day of remembrance for me. This was a day that affected people in the Miss America Organization. Sharon Ritchie’s son passed that day. He was an employee of Cantor Fitzgerald. Also, I am not sure if she is still with the organization, but Marie who was part of the executive staff also lost her loved one that day. He was one of the hijacked pilots. It’s hard to wake and be totally excited when you know that people are still suffering. My thoughts are with all of those who still continue to grieve and live with the effects of that day.
The parade was a LOT of fun. Mainly because it didn’t rain lol. There were a lot of people there, and I was very happy about that. There were some great costumes. Some of my favorites were Alaska, she looked very pretty in a light purple gown. Also, Minnesota did a really cool tribute to Prince, I liked that. I liked Arizona’s copper theme, it was a lot of fun. Maryland looked very pretty in a military theme. My favorite? (Drum roll, please) Mississippi. She did a tribute to Jim Henson, who now I know was a native of MS. Laura Lee had a very pretty pink dress and Muppet shoes. I thought it was very heartwarming and she looked great. Very well done. The fun thing about the parade is that you get to meet really neat people from all over the country. I got to meet some really great folks and I will be sure and cheering on your girl tonight. The parade is always fun because it’s a chance for the contestants to kick back and have some fun before the competition gets really intense.
Now, to my predictions. I am going to be honest—I have no idea what is going to happen this year. I really don’t. The preliminary judging has been very questionable. There have been clips of some of the contestants and their talent. Look at MI and KY and then tell me that AR and TN were on that level. I do think the judges got it right half of the winners, anyway. That’s why I have been warning not to be surprised at anything that happens tonight. On the flip side, there have been many strong competitors over the week. In fact, I do think a few are going to get shut out. It usually hasn’t happened lately where all of the preliminary winners make the top 15. I am having a hard time considering whether or not all of the preliminary winners will make the top 15. I suspected the minute she crowned AR would be in the top 15. And with the reputation and track record of TN, I suspected that she would make the top 15. MI I knew would be a strong contender for talent and MD had a smoking hot body. I knew she would likely contend for the SS win. As far as OH, when I saw her after winning Miss OH, I felt like she had “it”. Can’t explain it. There was something about her. She hasn’t disappointed all week. I didn’t know too much about DC when she was crowned. But when I started to look over her videos, I thought there was a “there” there.
Here is my impressions of the preliminary winners:
DC—Surprisingly won SS in a group that she really did not excel in. She is confident in herself, has a talent that is good, and seems not to have a weak competition. Again, I go back to her track record at Miss GA. I did find out that she won NFT. And I do know that people grow over time. Was it enough to best other competitors from different states? I think she would work well with youth, that is clear in her videos. She is modern, at least I think. One of my drawbacks with her is that it is hard to tell what she is really about. I like her platform and I have long felt that we needed a platform that ties into the military. I guarantee she would be very well-received and very successful.
MD—This girl is ready to go. She has set the new standard for swimsuit winners. She is strong in SS and EG and she can speak. Also, she did well in the QOL competition. Her weakness is talent and she wisely picked a song that would not accent that. On the flip side, she is pageanty, and it may be to her detriment. The difference is, she is still very young and relevant to this generation. I understand that she was homeschooled. I have said this before on this board, there are fewer things in life I feel more strongly against than homeschooling. But the reality is that homeschooled children grow up relating to adults very well, and this may be in her favor. As the case with DC, I think a military platform would be a great idea.
OH—She is very fresh, very natural, yet has something about her that is mature and poised. She has a good talent and has been confident. She is very much a product of her generation and has a platform that would really resonate with young women. Young women, in fact, that need to see a different face of Miss America. On the other side of that, the fact that she just graduated high school she might not have the experience to be the face of a national organization. One thing I would like to note. I have seen Teresa criticized for her lack of experience. Who was complaining? Certainly not anyone at the Miss America Organization. Not people that met her. I have heard numerous stories about people who were charmed by her. Alice has that natural charm and is very relevant.
TN—Another surprising win. I thought she would contend for SS, but talent, no. I didn’t think that. It wasn’t that she wasn’t good, but there was a lot better in her group. Again, it was better than on the webcast that I had seen. I do think Grace is going to do very well. The big question mark for me is that she is a bit more dated. That evening gown sure proves that. She is also a bit more reserved. But again, Laura K was more reserved. I don’t think Grace has the beauty of Laura, though, and I think for once beauty played into Laura’s win.
AR—I know there was some chatter after her win that she might be the one to beat at Miss America. Her talent win would support that theory. She is no doubt cute and cheerful. She comes from a state with a great track record and knows how to get things done. I think she is the type of personality that people think of as Miss America. My big drawback with her is that with all due respect, we have had cute before. I don’t find her remarkably cute. I haven’t fell in love with her. I also think her look is a bit dated. If she were to be crowned, I think she would be a throwback to years gone by. Without a doubt, I think she would be the safe, middle of the road contestant they would like for a year.
MI—I have been so impressed with her long before she set foot on the Miss America stage. She handled a very difficult controversy with class and peace. She has managed to speak very eloquently and peacefully about a controversial issue. I think Arianna would be a wonderful spokesperson and no doubt she would be an excellent Miss America. I think she has demonstrated the maturity and class to represent the crown very well.

Now, onto the others who have been strong all week:
GA—I am still surprised that she was not the SS winner, but I won’t belabor the point. She has been extremely consistent across the week. She came with her A game and I still very much believe she is a contender for the crown. My big concern is that she didn’t resonate with the preliminary judges.
OK—Not perfect, but very good. Strong talent, good swimsuit presentation, naturally confident. And, this is Oklahoma. They’re never off of their game. I have no doubt that Sarah makes the top 10. Is she the next Miss America? I am not sure. But I think she could do very well.
IA—She has been very consistent all week. She has a natural energy that I think would resonate with the judges.
KY—Had to be very close from the talent preliminary. She has been consistent all week and I think her talent scores should help her into the top 15.
MS—Also very consistent in onstage categories.
SC—Much like OK, not perfect, but consistent. There is no scenario in which I don’t envision seeing her in the top 15. I don’t expect her to be top 5, though. I say top 10 realistically.

Now, these are the ones I think have done well, but what do I know?

AL—Has to be taken seriously after winning QOL. She looked good in SS, her talent wasn’t spectacular but it was pleasing and entertaining. Everything else was in place.
IN—Had a good week. Not outstanding, but she has a nice energy about herself. Entertaining talent, not a Mallory type but entertaining nonetheless. She is very well-spoken and very cute.
KS—Also had a good week. Not outstanding, but you noticed her. She always presented very classy, very refined, and you noticed her.
NJ—Her talent is not spectacular, but has improved. She has been good in everything else and she has some natural presence to her. Also, she speaks very well. I am concerned that her platform is a big vague, but with the CMN emphasis, it wouldn’t matter.
NY—If she makes in into the top 15, I would say that she doesn’t make it that much farther. I could see her sneaking in but then not advancing to gown or talent. She did good in talent and she had a “good” presentation otherwise. I am basing this partially on her state and past performance rather than what I saw this week. I would not be surprised either way.
TX—I still think she did well enough that we would see her in the top 15. It hasn’t been a tremendous preliminary for her. She didn’t do poorly in SS but she wasn’t as strong as a Miss TX had been over the years. I just don’t know, though.
IL—Jaryn has had a good week. Her strongest competitions were SS and EG and her talent was no better or worse that anyone else’s. I think she is intriguing and if she presented herself well in interview, we will see her tonight.
CO—I wouldn’t expect her to go that far, but she has been consistent and you notice her.
AK—I am still hoping this is the year for Alaska. Kendall has been consistent, but the bad thing is, USA contestants sometimes have an uphill climb.
Will there be a few surprises? I certainly hope so. And I mean in the good sense, not the bad sense. With this preliminary panel, don’t be surprised if you don’t see your favorite. Believe me, nobody had a bad week this week. A lot of contestants were very competitive and it’s not for a lack of effort. This was, IMO, not the best preliminary panel that we’ve ever had.

Looking ahead to the final night judges, I see the youngness of the panel as working in favor of a certain kind of contestant. I am not a Shark Tank aficionado, though I have seen the show numerous times. I know what Mark Cuban looks for and he is looking for someone ambitious. I could see the lovely Sharlene Hawkes looking for someone like herself. I have always seen Sharlene as classy, ambitious, not the loudest person in the room, compassionate and intelligent. I think she will look for a Miss America that embodies those things. As for the rest of the panel, they are young and relevant. For that reason, I think that they are not going to go for someone that is old school. My gut all week has told me that one of the following will win:
Georgia, Maryland, Michigan, or Ohio
All of these are young and relevant, unique, and I think would have the classic appeal of a Miss America and yet be able to reach different groups of people. Even further, my gut is saying either Michigan or Ohio.

I can’t pin this down this year, but I can surely try. I also know there’s a possibility that we may get a winner that will not be popular. That’s fine. It’s one year, and we have survived worse. My feeling is that we could be surprised at the outcome tonight. My impression is that no one this year could be a bad Miss America. Whether or not they were our personal pick, I don’t think we would have anyone that would embarrass us or otherwise. I just don’t know this year. Other years I have had an idea of how this would go. Last year I had SC winning with GA as the runner-up. Two years ago I said either NY or AL, and AL would be because Sam seemed to be favoring her. The year before I had OK. I had FL initially for 2013A then changed to AL. In 2012 I thought it would be Kaitlin Monte. So, overall, my track record has at least been in the ballpark.

Here is my stab at a top 15:
And I could easily see any of the above mentioned trading places with those last few contestants in the top 15, particularly KS and AL. I have a feeling that the others on the list will just miss the top 15.

There you have it! Agree, disagree? Who is your top 15?

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Date Posted: 13:03:00 09/10/16 Sat

Good afternoon everyone!

How are you getting ready? Got your scorecard ready? Hitting refresh on the boards every 5 minutes? ;)

I wanted to do a rundown of every state and give my impressions on their preliminary performances and their prospects of making the top 15 tomorrow night. Here is the first half:

AL—Hayley has done well all week. She certainly did well in QOL and while it’s not a huge factor, it certainly does help. I would say that her weakest competition was talent. It was better than a Shannon Schambeau, but it wasn’t anything spectacular. I think we see her in the top 15. But there is something in me that wouldn’t be totally shocked if we did not. I also think that if we see her she goes a long way, if that makes sense.
AK—Kendall has had a good week. She has been consistent and really has no weak areas. IMO, she was near the top of her group in SS and EG, and that would help her out. It will just come down to her interview, and hopefully that went well. I would love to see her in the top 15.
AR—With the preliminary award, you have to consider her a favorite. Everything else about her week has been just fine, no real weaknesses. I will discuss her more later in a post about the preliminary winners.
AZ—Katelyn hasn’t been outstanding in any competition but has remained consistent. My feeling is that it will come down to her interview if she moves into the top 15 or not.
CA—People were saying all along with her that it wasn’t going to be CA’s year. I gave Jessa the benefit of the doubt. I will say this much—two years in a row now they came with an older talent song that didn’t work for either of their contestants. There’s certainly nothing wrong with older music but you also want to make sure and keep it relevant. She had a good SS and EG gown competition but the talent could have been so much better. On the flip side, had they sent Izamar her talent would have been too good for these judges ;)
CO—Shannon has had a good week, I think. Every competition she has a big smile on her face, she’s confident and looks like she’s having a good time. I don’t think she’s the next Miss America but I think has what it takes to make the top 15 if her interview is good.
CT—Anything lost in talent was likely made up for last night in evening gown. This will likely come down to interview for her. I just want to mention something nice about Alyssa. This could be true of any of the other contestants as well, I just didn’t get to see all of the contestants’ social media. I haven’t even been back to see otherwise, but I did see that she posted an Instagram message to the Tuesday night preliminary winners. I thought that was really classy. She was very gracious to her teen in that video. I hope all of that shines through in interview. I would love to see Miss CT make it a short absence from the top 15.
DE—IMO, her strongest competition was evening gown. She looked fantastic. She chose a similar color for talent, so it must work for her. As with many, it’s going to come down to her interview.
DC—She had a first strong night, and she remained consistent throughout the week, though I can’t say “shine”. I am pretty sure she is in the top 15 and may be our next Miss America. More on that later.
FL—Courtney is, in my opinion, one of the faces of this class. And she didn’t disappoint in evening gown or swimsuit, though her walk was a bit manic. The big problem was her talent. I rarely say it holds anyone back, but in this case, it might. If they like her interview, it won’t be an issue. This is also a state that knows how to get it done. Based on everything I’ve seen, I think this year FL might be sitting out, which is a shame. But I just don’t know here.
GA—How she did not win swimsuit will be one of life’s biggest mysteries to me. But, she has been extremely consistent and I still have her as a favorite to win despite missing out on the preliminary win. She has excelled in every category, and I am sure her interview was good. I still see a top 5 for her and .possibly back to back for Georgia.
HI—Allison has been good and consistent all week, though not outstanding. I am really hoping that her personality pulls her through.
ID—She has not had a bad week at all. In fact, she has been consistent and good across the board. I think she has a chance at the top 15.
IL—Jaryn has had a good week. She looked great in SS and gown. Her talent was average. I am really hoping that her beauty pulls her through to the top 15. She’s one where I wouldn’t be surprised to see her and it will just come down to the judges.
IN—Brianna has had a good week. Her talent was entertaining, her gown nice and her swimsuit wasn’t bad at all. I got to see her facebook post about her interview. She was asked about what she would do if she was Miss America and there was a family emergency. Also, she was asked about racism, Colin Kapernick, etc. Some of the other contestants were being asked more non-substantive questions. This suggests to me that the judges might have their eyes on her as well. I am hoping!
IA—Very consistent throughout the week. My feeling is if Taylor/Aly/Jessica made the top 12 so does Kelly. She’s very energetic. There are times when it is a bit too energetic, if that makes sense. Meaning, whereas some contestants have managed to present in a larger than life way, I almost feel like Kelly has to stop herself. Nothing wrong with that, just an observation.

KS—She has done well all week, including special awards. She’s not outstanding but consistent. Also, Kendall’s strong speaking skills will likely count for something. I can’t say for certain but I think she makes the top 15. How far she gets, I’m not sure, but I do see her as a possibility.
KY—Another that has been very consistent throughout the week. She could not have been that far behind in talent and that will count for something. She was good, not outstanding, but good in SS and EG. This is also a state who has seen consistent success and I think we see her in the top 15.
LA—Her strong competition is talent. Other than that, she has been average but in no ways bad. I would love to see her in the top 15, and I have to imagine that her interview is good. I am not sure if we see her or not, though I would love to. We have to remember that her state knows how to get it done at the national level, too.
ME—She is a doll but I just hate to say it, she just doesn’t quite have “it”. If I were the pageant god, I would send Maine some major prep help, because they do have potential and I hate seeing it wasted. If I were the pageant devil, I would be Miss Puerto Rico. Seriously, getting back to topic, ME USA has no problem at all and has done very well in the USA system. I just think it’s a matter of getting prep help.
MD—Has been very, VERY strong in SS and EG and she speaks very well. Even her weak spot, talent, she played the game very well and picked a song that would work, anyway. Let’s face it, she is a strong competitor.
MA—Despite her very strong talent, I am afraid that she has otherwise blended in this year. I would love to see her with an NFT, but with these judges I won’t hold my breath. The only thing that I think might work in her favor is interview. She is very intelligent and I am sure she gave a good interview. If she were to make top 15 I think that’s where it would end.
MI—Very strong talent, preliminary winner, strong interview and some great public press. I knew all along she was someone special and she did not disappoint. With her choice in evening wear, if the judges like her boldness, I believe they will reward her for it.
MN—I am hoping against hope here. She would have had to dazzle in interview which I do believe is a possibility. I am not sure that her onstage performance could back up a dazzling interview, though. Personalities come and go all the time at Miss America, sad to say. I don’t like to say this on most occasions, but I really think had she had more competition experience under her belt she could have contended for Miss America.
MS—Has been very consistent all week. As I have said all along with her, she wants this and has shown up ready to go. To me, she is a sure lock for the top 15. Realistically, I see top 10. After that, who knows?
MO—She was doing well in EG and SS and her onstage question was decent. She’s not the loudest personality in the room but I have feeling that she communicated her compassion in the interview room. However, her talent really was that poor. She would have had to have a Kristi Glakas type swimsuit and interview to make up for it, and I’m not sure that it is going to happen that way. I still think she’s a lock for the public vote but I believe that’s where it ends for her.

My next half will come shortly. Stay tuned!

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MT—She is a very pretty, fresh-faced young woman and I think this was her first try at Miss MT. I think she would have done better with a little more experience. She just hasn’t stood out this year.
NE—She has been decent all week, looked good in SS, her talent is respectable. I think she brought her best competition to the table. I think there’s a possibility that we see her, I could see it going either way. I will say this much—you can see that NE is on its way up and I’m glad. It’s nice to see different states rising to the occasion. This is what I mean with ME. If you can somehow get it together, you can be competitive even if you weren’t before.
NV—Pretty girl, her strongest competition was talent. Also, she really seems to connect with her platform. My big issue is whether or not she can connect with the judges. She wasn’t strong in SS or EG.
NH—IMO, Caroline had the best week she could have had. She had a good talent night, she looked nice in her gown. Swimsuit she was certainly respectable, but I think she needed some more energy. She is extremely passionate about her platform and that is where I think she could sneak into the top 15. Based on overall performance, it would be iffy, but I really think she has done her best.
NJ—Brenna, IMO, is competing at her best. She looked great in swimsuit and gown and her singing has either improved or sounded better in person. Like with NH, I think she has done her best. She is still a very strong interviewer and I am hoping this will be enough. I could see this going either way for her. Sort of like with AL, I think if she makes it she might go far.
NM—I LOVE Stephanie. I think her looks are being overlooked, she’s very pretty and I think she could fare well in USA. She hasn’t really stood out all week, though. Sort of like with ME, I wish I could send some prep help, although NM is doing well with NFI. This state has potential and it might take a few more years to figure it all out. I am really hoping we see Stephanie, anyway.
NY—On paper, this is a no-brainer. A 2nd runner-up for MAOT now competing with a state title that has produced 3 Miss Americas in a row, before that a tremendous run. Strong talent, good enough interview. If I am keeping it real, she hasn’t really jumped out during competition. Last year, Miss NY had a bit more of a smoother presentation and didn’t crack the top 15. I am really on the fence with this one. If she was from another state that wasn’t as successful I’d say no. But we have to consider the fact that she is Miss NY and that stands for something.
NC—She has been good in both talent and swimsuit. Not exceptional, but good. My big drawback with her is hearing her speaking skills. She seemed nervous in OSQ and even at the AC, she had a tendency to ramble on. Sadly, if she was nervous in interview she’s not going to make the top 15. I think she’s had a respectable competition, however.
ND—I do like her, I just didn’t find her overwhelming during the competition. She just doesn’t have a lot of energy that jumps out. I think if she did, she might have had a chance at the top 15.
OH—Something jumped out at me with her from the minute she was crowned. She has had a good week. She is fresh-faced, relevant to her generation, strong talent and a now a swimsuit winner. I have my eye on her, more on that later.
OK—Has been very consistent across the week. She has a lot of confidence and the competition to back it up. Without a doubt I expect her in the top 10, possibly top 5.
OR—She hasn’t had a bad week but she just doesn’t have the standout quality. I like her, I was hoping she would do well, but I’m not sure that we see her tomorrow night.
PA—Oh man. There are certain contestants every year where I want to yell, “You’re at the Miss America pageant, dammit!” She is very pretty, I think her looks are being overlooked this year and it’s kind of like you want her to come alive. She just isn’t, and I think if she had, she could have done very well. As such, I am not sure that we will see her in the top 15.
PR—Well, she’s original, there’s no doubt about that. Any Miss Puerto Rico faces an uphill climb at the Miss America pageant. Her best competition was swimsuit, she certainly brought the factor. But the talent was just so bizarre. I don’t think the judges went for it and I don’t think we’ll see her.
RI—In the beginning, I thought she might have been one to keep an eye on. Her competition has been good enough, not exception, but good. I suspect that we could see her in the top 15 if her interview was that good. It might have been. If it wasn’t, I don’t think we will see her.
SC—Has no doubt been consistent and good, although not perfect by any means. She still doesn’t exhibit a lot of energy. I saw this, as did others, all along with her. It was obvious this week. I think had she had more of the it factor this would have been hers for the taking. I do expect that we will see her in the top 15, likely top 10. After that, I think it will get into judges favorites.
SD—Good talent, that was her best competition. Somewhat non-remarkable in any other category. Unless she had a knockout interview, I don’t see it this year.
TN—Talent win and she’s had a very good week. Despite that evening gown, I could see her going into the top 5. I know she’s not been “exceptional” but she’s been good and she does stand out in a group.
TX—I really don’t know here. I had high hopes for Caroline coming into this. She was in the top of her talent group, no doubt. Everything else she has been “good” but not outstanding. I go back to the fact that she won interview at Miss TX and that is no small accomplishment. And my feeling is if she misses the top 15 after Shannon made top 10 last year it would make no sense whatsoever. I just don’t know how much she has been separating herself from the pack, and that’s my concern.
UT—Except for talent, she hasn’t brought a lot of energy to the competition. She just seemed lifeless during some of the other competitions. UT always sends strong talent, and this was no exception. I just don’t expect to see her.
VT—As we all know, it’s hard for VT to crack the top 15. Rylee has had a good competition and I think she’s brought her best. I think if she had a good interview we might see her. The big drawback for me was her talent.
VA—She hasn’t had a bad competition, but she kind of has a milquetoast presentation. Very nice, no doubt but she doesn’t have some of the it factors that her predecessors had. I don’t think it’s going to happen for VA this year, anyway.
WA—I know that her state was excited about her. My big thing with her is that she just hasn’t stood out. I can’t explain it, but she doesn’t have a softness about her. She seems to be kind of stiff. I don’t think her competitions have been that outstanding that it could be made up for. I don’t anticipate her in the top 15.
WV—I like people like Morgan who genuinely seem concerned about her fellow mankind. That being said, it’s been a little too much. I get that she cares. And I mean this with all due respect—it’s never a bad thing to tie in your platform with your talent. But she doesn’t bring a happy feeling to it, either. I think that’s what it is. I suppose I could see her in the top 15 but I am not sure.
WI—Courtney is a very cute girl, always has a big smile on her face and is very delightful. Her competition hasn’t been anything overwhelming. She hasn’t stood out in any particular category. I don’t really see how she would get into the top 15, although I said the same thing about Paula Mae.
WY—Jordyn is a really cute girl and a great Miss Wyoming. If there are any that land there on personality, it could be her. If it is her overall presentation, then no. It would have to be personality.

And there you have it! I gotta go reserve my place on the parade route. I am not paying for a seat on the parade route and it’s foolish to do so. That is, unless, you want a closeup of Mary Sullivan. I will be back later and tell you about the parade and then my fearless predictions. Stay tuned!

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Date Posted: 09:33:53 09/10/16 Sat

1. Oklahoma 5.9
2. Georgia 5.8375
Ohio 5.8375
4. Kentucky 5.8125
5. South Carolina 5.8
6. Maryland 5.675
7. Michigan 5.525
8. Louisiana 5.45
9. Colorado 5.425
10. Mississippi 5.3875
11. Iowa 5.35
12. Texas 5.3375
13. Massachusetts 5.2625
14. Alaska 5.15
15. Tennessee 5.125
16. Nebraska 5.1125
17. New Hampshire 5.1
18. Alabama 5.075
19. North Carolina 5.0625
20. New York 5.025
21 Indiana 5
Wyoming 5
23. New Jersey 4.975
24. Virginia 4.925
25. Arkansas 4.9
26. Idaho 4.9
27. District of Columbia 4.8875
28. West Virginia 4.8625
29. Illinois 4.85
Pennsylvania 4.85
31. Kansas 4.825
32. Florida 4.75
Hawaii 4.75
34. Rhode Island 4.7
35. Nevada 4.6625
36. Utah 4.625
37. Connecticut 4.6
38. Arizona 4.55
South Dakota 4.55
40. Delaware 4.5375
41. New Mexico 4.4875
42. Oregon 4.45
43. Minnesota 4.4
44. Vermont 4.225
45. California 4.2
46. Missouri 4.075
Wisconsin 4.075
48. Montana 4.025
Washington 4.025
50. Maine 3.825
51. North Dakota 3.775
52. Puerto Rico 3.65

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Date Posted: 16:48:46 09/09/16 Fri

Talent came back to earth last night lol. Usually Mu talent is weakest for a reason. However, IMO, we saw some of the strongest talent performances of the whole pageant last night. But you also had some of the worst. There was some bad singing, bad acting, and even a fall, unfortunately. Here's my thoughts:

ME—Sang I’ve Got Rhythm. I am a big fan, but her performance was minimal. She had some problems hitting some of the notes 5
MO—You all know that I love her and am rooting for her. Before last night, I was actually starting to think that she would make the top 15 because she was doing well in other competitions. That all went out the window. She can carry a tune, maybe. But that’s about it. If I am keeping it real, it was a 4. It wasn’t quite as bad as Kristi Glakas, but it wasn’t good.
IL—Sang You Don’t Own Me. I would call it a Jalee Fuselier type performance. I think she picked a good song that didn’t have a lot of challenge if you don’t have a strong vocal. She did a nice job with it, though not overwhelming. 6
PR—It was just bizarre. I stand with what I said last night. I almost feel like she was making a political statement, particularly with what happened with her predecessor. The problem is, and someone said there is a video, this is going to become Internet fodder. I don’t have a problem thinking out of the box. I would gladly see a mime performance or an alternative topic. Even if I didn’t think it was political, I am not sure if the evil entity of the universe was a great choice. Believe me, there have been no shortage of contestants who have sang How Great Thou Art, Amazing Grace, Via Dolorosa, etc. Religious themes and talent have long gone together in the MAO. I have never seen anyone do satan before. I just don’t think it was the best choice for a pageant. I guess technically, with all of the positive religious themes, I guess it is fair game to take on satan. But still, it wasn’t done well. If someone got up and did a tap dance to Sympathy For The Devil I am sure it would raise eyebrows. The only thing positive I could say is that she took a risk, but it wasn’t good. Even if it was done to perfection, I would not have scored this well.
WA-Danced to Let’s Get Loud by Jennifer Lopez. I hate to say this, but it was what you expect when you see this song done at a pageant. 5-6
WI—Danced to a jazz song. She had a nice smile and seemed like she was having fun, but it wasn’t anything overwhelming 5-6
WV—She apparently wrote the song herself about bullying. She spoke during it. I have mixed feelings about it. I will address this with her later, I think it was a nice sentiment, but it also had a heavy feeling to it. There are great social justice songs written, think of Lady Gaga at the Academy Awards this year. This just didn’t have that effect. I would give her a better score, a 7 for the attempt, but it didn’t make you feel good. 7

MD—Very basic performance of God Bless America. LOL my first thought was that she was auditioning for Miss America appearances. It was “nice”. Her overall look was very nice. My initial thought is that this is indeed her weak spot, but she was wise. She took a basic song that wouldn’t be controversial and gave a passable performance. I would say 6 with the singing, 7 with the overall costume and look that she presented.
KS—Sang Ain’t No Sunshine. It was subdued, a nice performance. I think it lacked energy. I know it’s hard to have energy with the song, but you can kind of doctor it up with some intensity at the end. I would give it a 6 with the lack of energy.
MT—A classical piano piece, I didn’t really recognize it. It was nice, nothing memorable. 5-6
MI—Excellent. I didn’t recognize the song, but she played with a lot of passion, energy, and skill. She looked great and gave a spirited performance 9
UT—A totally different routine than the video clip. It was a fast paced jazz type dance. The costume was great, the energy was good. This was her best competition 7
DE—Danced to Fight Song. It was nice, it didn’t have a lot of chutzpah, but it was nice 5-6
FL—Danced to a Jennifer Hudson song. Very sadly, she had a pretty bad fall during the performance. It was very remedial, hate to say, before the fall. I am not sure how forgiving the judges would be before it, but it was a 5 at best before the fall.
KY—Awesome. IMO, since MI won, the second best talent of the whole pageant, if not the whole thing. Extremely energetic, entertaining, and as the song went on, the notes became even more intricate. Now, I tried to play the violin in elementary school. Much to the benefit of society, I didn’t continue with the lessons. However, I do know what’s good, and she had some really nice sequences in there. 9.5 overall
MA—She wrote an original piece. Unfortunately, I think had she accompanied herself, she might have contended more for preliminary talent. But she was very energetic, she looked like Shandi F sitting at the piano, great costume, a lot of spunk, it was pretty good. 8.5 to 9
SD—Classical opera. Very nice. It was one of her strongest competition 7

I would rank KY first, then MI and MA.

Not a bad night. Most were average in this group, but there weren't any weak ones. Here are my thoughts:

NH—She looked very nice. She had a swimsuit with a mesh stomach, the only one. Her hair looked very nice and if she had a little more confidence, I would have had it much higher 6
WY—Okay, she is cute, but nothing memorable 6
NE—Very nice. She was very toned, a natural walk, good charisma 7.5 to 8
OR—Nice build but no energy 6
NY—She had some confidence, not perfect, but she gave it a good effort 6.5 to 7
CA—Nice. She had energy, a nice body, good walk 7
CO—A lot of confidence, good walk, she had nice presence 7.5
IA—confident and had a nice presentation. Walk was a little fast 7
VT—Nice body, but she didn’t have a lot of energy 6
VA—Nice. She has a nice, tall body, had a nice walk 7.5
MS—Had a walk reminiscent of Chelsea Rick. She walked slow and deliberate, had a lot of confidence 7.5 to 8
OK—One of the better ones of the night. She had a lot of natural confidence and a good walk, good energy 8
RI—Her presentation didn’t seem very comfortable, a bit of a fast walk 6
TN—Her walk was good in the beginning, but her pose at the end was a bit uncomfortable 7
NC—Nice. She had a good build, very confident 7.5
CT—Great body, great look. A little slower of a walk than I would have liked, but nice 7
OH—Bam! Last out of the group, naturally confident, great body, great walk, her hair kind of flowed. She just had a natural confidence with everything to back it up. Not Hannah (she has set the new standard for swimsuit) but very strong 9

Best was OH, and then I would have had OK, MS, NE and NC behind.

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Evening Gown

There was a mix of white and colored gowns last night. Not a lot of black this year, but it seems like more white than usual. The group was very nice overall. Here are my thoughts:

NH—a very nice satin red gown, strapless with a full bottom. She looked very nice, had a nice walk 7
WY—Also very pretty in red. This had more of a scallop top with a wraparound train, she always looks so cheerful, nice presentation 6.5
NE—Mostly white with some gold or silver around the bust. She looked very nice, walked nicely 7.5
OR—Basic white with silver highlights at the top, a nice presentation but she seemed a bit hesitant 6.5
NY--Pretty silver with a white wraparound train similar to SC. She looked very nice, had nice presence 7.5
CA—Basic emerald green strapless. It was very simple but she was very elegant, looked great with her complexion. Overall, very nice 7
CA—Simple white, dress was very basic. But she had a nice presentation, a lot of confidence 7.5
IA—Very basic white dress with a flared bottom, a high silver-studded neckline. I think it would been better in a color, but she had a nice presentation 7.5
VT—Another basic white with a train, nice presentation 7
VA—Nice simple royal blue gown, a little hesitant but nice 6.5 to 7
MS—The dress was kind of simple, but she had a back train which she flared. Had she not had the flare, it wouldn’t have been that remarkable. But she did look very elegant when she flared the dress. 8 with the presentation
OK—A very pretty teal sparkly gown with some lace cutouts. If it had a flared bottom it would remind me of a mermaid. I loved the color, it looked great on her and it was a bold choice. Confident presentation 7.5 to 8
RI—A bright royal blue with gold overlays and a flared bottom. Nice presentation, although not remarkable 6.5 to 7
TN—I think this dress would have worked better if it was strapless or had a different back. As such, it was almost hot pink and had shoulders that looked like they were from the 80s. Then, the columns were attached to the top. I hate to say this, I love Grace, I did not like the dress as it was. She wore it okay. Not that the dress matters, I think she will be okay, but I didn’t like it. Okay presentation 6.5 to 7
NC—A more basic white with a flared back. She flared the back, it was a nice presentation 7
CT—VERY nice. One of my favorites. She walked with such class, she looked regal. She made me forget I hate white. Her hair was back, she was near perfection 9
OH—I’m not thrilled about the dress, it had a silver rhinestone top with a full skirt, but she wore it very nicely. Lots of natural confidence 8

Overall, I gave that round to CT, and then MS, OH, and OK.

I’m not sure that this was the strongest night, but again, it usually never is.

MN—Spoke about arts in schools, not a new platform. But she spoke well, intelligent, and did not ramble. I am kind of hoping this is what her interview sounded like because she likely did well if this was the case.
LA—Another intelligent answer, although it sounded a bit fluffy. It’s a good idea about positive mental health but it had shades of Robert Schuller
ND— Even though she doesn’t have the loudest personality, she gave a decent answer. She is well spoken
DC—Another military related platform. Sounded convincing and considerate.
NJ—Decent answer, although I think her platform work would not likely get her lots of appearances should she win Miss America
AK—I really don’t know what her platform was about because she gave a real fluffy answer
AR—As always, she had a big smile on her face. She gave a decent answer about food and wellness. I paid close attention to her speaking skills. She doesn’t have the articulateness of some of the other contestants, but she was decent.
IN—Gave a nice, soft-spoken answer about healthcare. She has a way about her, a very soft-spoken voice yet very intelligent
NM—Average answer about literacy
AL—She gave a good, compassionate answer about providing healthcare for children
PA—She sounded very intelligent, although a bit cerebral, when speaking. Spoke about brain injuries
ID—Not bad, actually. She speaks well, a little bit rambly though
TX—Okay. You can tell she’s intelligent but I can’t put my finger on it. Something was off about it.
GA—Good. She is a good speaker, answered her question well, didn’t ramble
HI—Very cheerful, kind of sounded pageanty
NV—She’s not the best speaker but she gave a genuine answer about autism
SC—Also spoke about autism. Sort of what I thought about Rachel rung true. She seems so passive. Didn’t come across like NV on the same topic, although her speaking skills were a bit better
AZ—Spoke about bullying. She was decent, although I felt like it wasn’t a direct answer.

Overall, the ones that I thought were best were AL and MN

So, there you have it! The competition is now over. I am going to post a contestant by contestant view of the week. And after that, I am going to take a stab at a top 15. I can tell you--it's not going to be easy because I have no idea what to expect with these judges.

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Date Posted: 01:16:20 09/09/16 Fri

Good evening everyone!

It’s now the end of the preliminaries. Wow, that went quick. I have to say, it was a wild ride this year. After tonight, I do feel a little bit better about the judging process. There was absolutely no question that both winners tonight were no-brainers and well deserved. And there was a lot of great competition. However, talent came back to earth tonight LOL. And it wasn’t just the obvious, but more on that later.
Overall, swimsuit was a little weaker than the last two nights, although there were some standouts. Alice just came out at the end with confidence, a great walk, and just very naturally confident. OSQ was about the same as last night. I enjoyed some of the gowns tonight. Lots of nice color, and overall, this year, the gowns were bit more formal.
Now, to the talent. I saw what was perhaps the most bizarre talent that I have ever seen on a Miss America stage tonight. Miss Puerto Rico did a monologue about satan running for political office. My initial thought is that she was making a political statement. And then I have to wonder if it was best for the Miss Puerto Rico organization to allow this in light of what happened with Destiny. If one person recorded this and this gets out, nothing good will come of it. It was just plain bizarre. LOL it was not exactly well received, either. At least by the audience, anyway. I heard plenty of chatter. And there were other bad talents tonight, but more on that tomorrow. This night was a little more predictable, which was a delightful change from the first two nights. It was either MI or KY or MA and with this, it was likely a matter of preference. Or interview. But neither winner left people scratching their heads.
The good news is that it does seem like there is a clearer picture since everyone has competed in all three categories now. I am going to post my full review as always tomorrow, then I am going to jump a little deeper contestant by contestant. I am trying to determine a top 15, and I will post that. It might take some time.
Generally speaking, this is a year yet which is far from settled, at least in my opinion. More on that later! I will address everyone’s responses in the morning.

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Date Posted: 13:03:37 09/08/16 Thu

After two nights of questions, I have to give props to the MAO. I am liking the questions a little more this year. They are moving towards integrating relevant issues into the questioning. The questions were about on par with Tuesday night. Here were my impressions:

NH—Platform is her forte, and as I expected, she spoke very well and very passionately.
WY—My overall impression of her is that she is very cute, and she has a cute presence. She smiles and sounds positive. Sort of like her introduction at the AC, she managed to speak about domestic violence well and balance a good attitude. I know that might sound strange, but that was the impression that I got. I wouldn’t say that she directly answered the question well, but I thought she did a nice job.
NE—Spoke about bullying and what needed to be done. The strongest thing for me was how she related her experience. I didn’t think she was an overwhelming speaker, though.
OR—Kind of generic about mentoring. She’s an articulate speaker but didn’t have a lot of energy.
NY—She is well spoken for sure. I think her answer was a bit more canned, though.
CA—Decent but she seemed a bit disconnected. I wasn’t overwhelmed or underwhelmed.
CO—She spoke well, intelligent, logical. Sort of a generic platform.
IA—She has a lot of energy, so much so that it can come off as speaking rapidly. I don’t understand her platform, though.
VT—She strikes me as very intelligent and spoke well about a relevant issue.
VA—A little fluffy and pageanty. All she needed to say was world peace lol.
MS—I have to give it to her, she does have a great platform. But again, she’s so pageanty that it dilutes her message. Her answer was very pageanty.
OK—Very well spoken and heartfelt about supporting the troops.
RI—Very intelligent and a good platform. Managed to get her point across well.
TN—A thoughtful answer about literacy. I think she did pretty well.
NC—I don’t know, she seemed a little nervous. She rambled a bit.
CT—Spoke about the well being of senior citizens. I love it, it’s a great platform. She seemed to give a decent, logical answer.
OH—Spoke about standards of beauty. I think she expressed herself very well.

I wasn’t blown away by anybody, but the best, IMO, were NH, VT and OH. The platforms seemed a bit more generic last night, it seems like they were more conceptual and you did get some generic answers.

Evening Gown
IMO, last night was SO much better than night 1. The dresses were more original, had a lot of color, and you saw a bold variety of styles.
ME—Started the group very generic, very generic white gown. Okay presentation 5-6
MO—It’s funny, I pictured her to have something in blue, but she chose a red satin gown and she looked fantastic. It suited her hair color and she had a tall, statuesque look 7.5 to 8
IL—Halter top royal blue gown with a ruffled bottom. She looked very nice, elegant, had a classy walk 7.5 to 8
PR—A silver top with a flowing white bottom. I usually don’t like that style of dress, but she made it look very nice. She had a nice, classy presentation 7.5 to 8
WA—A pretty red beaded dress. It’s similar to what you have been seeing the last few years. I thought it suited her hair color very well. Just an okay presentation, though 6
WI—A pretty silver top with a black bottom. It was basic, but it was one of those that it just made a very nice statement. Nice presentation from Courtney, she glowed and walked nicely 7
WV—I LOVED this look. A simple yellow gown with her dark hair and tan, she just looked regal. Her presentation was a bit reserved but so classy and I loved it. 7 overall presentation
MD—Once again, she looked tall, sophisticated and sleek. A beautiful FL ballgown and she looked ready to win Miss USA. 9.5
KS—Again, hard to follow that, but she looked very nice and regal in a satin sleeveless royal blue gown. She looked elegant, classy and made a very nice statement 8
MT—A very pretty teal gown. I would loved to have seen some more energy from her, because she looked great 6
MI—From no man’s land, this looked similar to SC’s gown except in all white. However, I understand it was actually a pants suit with a wraparound train. I thought she looked very nice, but I think a bold original choice should have scored her well. I loved that she took that risk. I would say 7 as I saw it, but the judges may or may not like the bold choice. Hard to tell.
UT—A cutout neck line white. She wasn’t memorable 6
DE—I LOVED, LOVED, LOVED this gown. It was something I would choose for myself save the really big bottom. I am too short for it not to make me look stumpy. But I digress. It was a burgundy ballgown, strapless, VERY nice, great presentation. Her walk wasn’t perfect but it was great. 8
FL—I believe this was her state gown and it was very pretty. Either a gold or copper long sleeved top with a white fitting bottom. She was simple and elegant, looked regal. 8.5 to 9
KY—The gown was a bit generic, but she had a nice smile, good confidence and had a nice presentation 7
MA—It was a white gown with I believe something like Miss TX had last year with that large ruffle in the midsection. She looked nice, not a lot of energy. 6.5
SD—Kind of generic white satin with a flared bottom. Okay 6

I would say once again, MD had this by a mile and then came FL, DE, KS, IL, MO and WV. But a very nice group.

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Date Posted: 00:19:18 09/06/16 Tue

Technically, the day is here! It's early in the morning, but the onstage competition starts tonight! I am so excited. In a way, it doesn't seem like it's here already. But that's okay, we'll adjust ;)

These will likely change after preliminaries, but I wanted to post my thoughts about each contestant and what struck me most about them. Here goes:

AL—I am pretty sure she ends up in the top 15. She seems very articulate and this is Alabama, after all. They know how to get it done. I think Hayley seems mature, level-headed, and ready to go. If you click on that link that I noted, you would likely feel like I do. That’s the kind of Miss America that I want.
AK—I am going to wait and see what happens with preliminaries before I call this one. If anything, I think she will be the top 3 swimsuits in her group. If GA doesn’t win SS tomorrow night, I think Kendall is a strong possibility.
AZ—This one is hard to say. She’s a VERY good speaker, very articulate, very intelligent. The big problem is that AZ always faces an uphill climb. And she’s in a very tough preliminary group. On the flip side, AZ made the top 10 in 2011 and 3rd runner-up in 2012, so they do have some idea on how to prep their contestants.
AR—I am going to comment more about this later, but she’s definitely one of the “cute” contestants. AR has been consistently making the top 15. In fact, except for 2012 I can’t remember when they didn’t at least make the top 15 for the last 6 or 7 years, or whenever it was. If the rest of the contestants can, so can Savvy. She’s got a bright smile and so cheerful. I would possibly say if they fall in love with her personality, she’s your winner. But it’s just going to depend what the judges are looking for.
CA—I realize a lot of people are dismissing Jessa. But I think that’s premature. This is a state that still can get it done. She beat a lot of good competition at Miss CA, including a former Junior Miss. I know that her talent is purportedly weak, but when has that stopped anyone before?
CO—I think Shannon has potential. She is a very good singer and I think she will be in the top 5 talents in Alpha. Also, consider that they had a very good year last year with Kelley Johnson and they are undoubtedly know what worked for her. CO also made the top 12 in 2010. The state is showing signs of life and I think that Shannon should be taken seriously.
CT—I think she’s a very strong contender for preliminary SS. I am hoping for good things from her. I was impressed with her video with the OT. When she was asked about her year, her first response was that she wanted to help her teen. I thought it was a great response. I thought she presented herself well and speaks well.
DE—As always, she’s got an uphill climb. She has the experience as an OT and competing for several years likely helped her. If she’s got good talent, DE has been doing well with NFT awards.
DC—I didn’t realize she was such a good singer. I would say she will be near the top of her group on Wednesday night. I’m not quite sure that she has enough to win a preliminary. But she does have experience competing in GA and they’ve been very successful. The only drawbacks is that she wasn’t able to crack the top 10 there. Also, DC has been on a downward trend at Miss America of late. I wouldn’t be surprised to see her and I wouldn’t be surprised not to see her.
FL—She is no doubt one of the prettiest contestants this year and I think she would win SS in Mu. And again, her state has a wonderful record of late. If she’s got something, she will be right in the middle of things.
GA—I think she’s a strong contender for the win. I think GA could repeat this year. Patricia is not quite as strong in talent as Betty was. In fact, seeing her classical ballet, I think she would have been just fine with that. But, Patricia has a KILLER swimsuit presentation AND she can speak to boot. She’s both cute and glamorous at the same time, and from what I understand, she was Miss Congeniality. Whether she wins it all or is a runner-up, I know she’s going to do very well. It would be interesting if she won, only 2 states winning in 5 pageants. I don’t think that has happened in USA, though TX won 5 times in a row.
HI—I liked Allison from the moment that she was crowned and she’s not disappointing. She’s very delightful. Plus, she is intelligent and talented. I wouldn’t consider her rendition of O Mio Babbino Caro in the same category as Katie Harman, but she’s certainly respectable. I was concerned about her chances in Mu, but I think her personality will get her very far.
ID—Kylee was one that really jumped out at me once I saw the videos. Whatever Idaho is doing at Sweetheart, they are certainly doing something right. Last year, I thought Kalie had the goods and she was on the bubble for me after the prelims were over. But I like what I see out of Kylie. She has a naturalness about her that might bode very well for her. I know of late Sweetheart success has not reflected at Miss America. But I do think she’s got real potential. As with anyone else in Sigma, the competition is going to be tough.
IL—I love her. She’s one of my favorites this year. In addition to her looks, there is just a certain warmth that she projects. I am not sure what her interview is like, I found that short clip but it didn’t really show me a lot either way. I know we’d all be happy looking at her for a year. I can tell you one thing, though. Nurses are a compassionate group and I think that she would bring that to the table if she were to win.
IN—Another doll from the Midwest. I would be thrilled if she won. Like many, she is just so damned cute and I remember liking her immediately. She also seems very sweet and humble. As with anyone else in Sigma, it’s going to be a hard fight out of that group. But I am hoping that we see her in the top 15.
IA—This state has totally got it figured out short of having their first Miss America. I understand that Kelly has strong talent. She comes across to me very well in pictures. As I said in the lottery post, I think that she will stand out in Alpha, though it is shaping up to be a very competitive group as well.
KS—She is another favorite of mine. I think she is a natural beauty, she seems very approachable and she is very well-spoken. I imagine that she would give a thoughtful, intelligent interview. Also, like IL, she is in a compassionate profession. I think she’d make a wonderful Miss America. She reminds me of a young Jill Biden in looks.
KY—I didn’t see her SS, but I saw her talent, and if entertaining wins this year, she will be your prelim talent winner. I actually think she is stronger than her predecessor Ramsey Carpenter and that worked out well for Ramsey. From what I am hearing, the folks in KY are very confident about her chances. Given the strong record for the state and her strong talent, I think she advances from that group.
LA—Her talent is fantastic. And she’s got the same DNA as Crystal Lee  No doubt she is helping her cousin, she’s got a lot of great advice to give. Plus, LA is just one of those very successful states. Maybe Sigma talent goes to LA for 2 years in a row. It’s a strong possibility.
ME—I think she’s young and very striking. What concerns me about her is that everything is against her. First interview, and despite their lovely young women, ME just doesn’t have the record at MA as they do at USA. I am hoping this may be the year. If she makes it to the 15, it’s a whole new ballgame for final night.
MD—As I said the other day, she’s going to go far in this competition. Truthfully, it would not surprise me if she won the whole thing. She is young, striking, and well-spoken. She’s already won two awards and the competition hasn’t even started. She’s got a great mentor in her older sister who was very successful in her own right. With the final night judges especially, I think they’re going to go for young and modern. This will bode well for her final night.
MA—I am sad that she is getting such negativity. She is a BRILLIANT musician and I don’t think she feels the need to fry her hair and put up an unrealistic image of who she is. That’s confidence. When I started to research her, I learned about her background as a child musician. And what I get from her is that she is a true artist. When I listened to her music, she puts her heart on her sleeve. I think this pageant is just the beginning for her. Maybe I am a bit biased because I just love passionate musicians. And she is certainly one. If anything, she will at least get an NFT. I would say it’s either her, KY, or MI for preliminary talent in Mu. It just depends if they reward entertainment value or technical ability. She reminds me of the lovely and talented Rosie Savageau where she lives her music.
MI—LOL when I posted my wish list, I said that I wanted the runner-up from last year but I forgot her name. Sure enough, Arianna won! I liked her the first time I saw her last year. She is a very talented pianist. More importantly, I was taken by how much class Arianna has shown in her short time as Miss Michigan. It must be devastating to hear people calling you ugly from your own community. I hope you all get a chance to listen to her interview that is listed down below. She handled it with so much class. Arianna didn’t speak in a sing song pageant voice. She maturely responded with no ill will or anger. If she handled herself this way, I think she would make an excellent Miss America. Especially with the explosive presidential election and some sentiments regarding immigration, I believe Arianna could bring a peaceful, powerful voice to sanity. People would listen to what she says. I am a fan and I know that she is going to let the judges see exactly what many of us did.
MN—Madeline is a doll. I am hoping that she shines in interview. I was so impressed with that radio interview that she did. She clearly showed that she could be comfortable in any situation. She is very articulate and intelligent but yet has that personable factor. It was said about Teresa Scanlan that she made people feel like they were Miss America. I think Madeline has that quality. I think if the judges would fall in love with her she could be our next Miss America.
MS—I have always felt that she would have been perfect in the 1980s. She’s so old school pageanty, it’s hard to relate to her. Her introduction at the AC was a perfect example of that. I have no doubt she will be in the top 15 and I think she could win SS in her group, though she didn’t win at Miss MS this year. My advice for MS is this—your titleholders show up like Laura Lee this year and Chelsea Rick the other year they’re going to stall. If they show up like a modern young woman like Hannah Roberts and Jasmine Murray to a certain extent, they will do very well. I don’t know why they don’t get it. I am not sure that Laura Lee would change, but I just don’t find her to be very relatable. I do know, though, that she probably wants to be Miss America and will be highly motivated.
MO—What a transformational contestant. After Kara Mitchell did not win Miss OH a few years ago, I was kind of wondering when someone would come along that had a strong chance at being the first openly gay titleholder. Keeping it real, I am not sure that Erin will be the next Miss America. She is very reserved and she doesn’t have that personality that some of the others have. I know her talent isn’t the greatest, either. But I do think she will win the public vote. Whatever she does, Erin has accomplished something amazing. Only one person can win Miss America, but she won’t be forgotten anytime soon.
MT—I am afraid I don’t know enough about her to form an opinion either way. She was one of two that I couldn’t find any information about. I believe it was her first try at Miss Montana.
NE—Pay attention to Nebraska, folks. In the last 10 years they have had a preliminary SS winner, a preliminary talent winner, a top 10, top 12, Miss America, and an NFT award. From what I have seen, Aleah has enough to be consistent throughout the competition. And let’s face it, she’s coming from a state that is starting to really figure it out. I’m keeping an eye on her.
NV—She’s very pretty. Take a look at her videos and see her transformation over the past few years. Based on her speaking skills that I have seen, she made a good TED presentation. It will just remain to be seen how she resonates with the judges. I am not sure that she has enough to be competitive this year, but you never know.
NH—To me, Caroline has presented herself as very strong about her platform, perhaps the most passionate about it in this class. If she can really connect about her platform, I think she could have a chance at the top 15. I have heard a lot of good things about her talent. I think she is solid but not outstanding in her talent.
NJ—I am sooooo hoping for a top 15 for Brenna. She’s worked very hard at this and it didn’t come easy. I am sure she has learned some very valuable determination. She’s strongest in swimsuit and interview, so she will make her mark early and end on a good note. I would say her weakest competition is talent, but when has that stopped anyone before? To be honest, I am not sure if she is dancing or singing. Of those, she is only average at both. But I think she would be a popular Miss America and a lot of people are impressed with her.
NM—Stephanie is very pretty and I think she is USA pretty. She won both preliminaries at Miss New Mexico this year, so it was a decisive victory for her. I am hoping that she can parlay that into victory at Miss America. Like with many in Sigma, she’s going to have to stand out.
NY—I realize that the video of Camille is from her OT days, but that was a good interview. It was a bit pageanty and a bit young, but she was a teen back then. Notice how she leaned forward and looked in the eyes of the judges. Very engaging. Coupled with strong talent, I am positive she will have a good showing and make the top 15.
NC—I don’t know. She’s a good dancer and I think she has a possibility of a preliminary SS in Alpha, but I don’t expect much more. We will see what she brings to the table, but just the impression that I get is that she may not stand out in this class.
ND—Her talent was interesting. I would rather see something like it than a lyrical dance to an inspirational song, to be honest. I just think she has an uphill climb.
OH—In my opinion, one of the most remarkable contestants this year. She has a LOT of poise for someone that is 18. She presented herself very well during the AC and she’s got strong talent, too. I think she would truly be a next generation Miss America. If we ever want to make this program relevant to young women, I think Alice would be a great choice. She’s got a relevant and timely platform. While I don’t think that the non-photoshopping of pictures is a complete platform, I think that the overall message could be used. If they want to pick someone relevant and modern, I think Alice would be an excellent Miss America.
OK—She seems to be a controversial contestant. I’d like to say that I don’t know why, but I do. And that’s just sad. At any rate, she is very strong across the board. Listening back to her talent, I could easily see her with a preliminary talent win. I could see her with a SS win as well but there will be some stiff competition for that. I still think that Sarah is a great example of perseverance and I think those of us who are her fans are just happy for her. I could realistically see her in the top 5.
OR—I still don’t get why nobody is mentioning her. Although, I think she could be one of those that just kind of sneak in and do very well. Purportedly, her talent is strong and she looks like she will do well in swimsuit.
PA—She had a convincing victory at Miss PA winning both preliminaries. But she’s kind of this year’s best guarded secret. I couldn’t find any interviews, and she doesn’t have much web presence. I was impressed with her during her introduction at the AC. And she’s very pretty. I don’t know enough about her to say if she would be competitive or not. We’ll see.
PR—I always seem to like who Puerto Rico sends save Miriam Pabon. This year is no exception. I love her zest and I love her originality. I think she’s got a great platform and career goals. Like many of her predecessors, I think she’s got an uphill climb to the top 15, but there’s got to be a first for everything.
RI—I thought her academics were impressive but didn’t know too much about her. When I saw her interviews, I was thoroughly impressed. She is very personable, very articulate, and has a great academic background. And her life story is very interesting as well. As far as her talent, it won for at least one Miss America. I am not sure she’s the next Miss America, but I feel she is a strong candidate for the top 15.
SC—Upon seeing her state talent, I think it is either her, LA or TX for the talent win. At first, I thought that her pick was risky. However, it could pay off for her if she is the last energetic talent of the night. Energy wins. If this was even 10 years ago I would see an opera singer winning, but entertaining is winning. I am not the only one who feels that Rachel is not that engaging. That’s why I don’t see her as the next Miss America. Do I think she’s evil personified? Not at all. She seems like a sweet teen, anyway. I don’t think she turned nasty over the past few years. I guess I just don’t get what the overwhelming fuss is about. I think she is pretty but not the most beautiful I have ever seen. Realistically, I see her in the top 10. Top 5 possibly, but I also see her as Victoria Cowen 2.0. Meaning, she’s good in onstage competitions but does not have a commanding personality.
SD—I thought she did a good job on her videos. I don’t think she has an “it” factor, but she seems very well-spoken and intelligent. I think she’s very pretty and I know she has strong convictions. Like many in non sash states I think she has an uphill climb, but we’ll see this week. I think she is Sigma as well.
TN—My feeling is, if everyone else made it from TN, so will Grace. Whatever it is, TN has got a great prep team. It’s nice to see that she didn’t fry her hair and go the blonde Alderson route. She won’t win talent but I think there’s a chance she wins SS. At any rate, she will be consistent.
TX—She won interview in a big state and has very strong, entertaining talent. Aside from aspiring to be the first lady of Texas, she has impressed me. I think she’s cute and engaging. If I was betting, I would give her the edge in Sigma talent, especially if she is Diana Reed type good, which I think she is. A lock for top 15 for me, and I’m looking forward to a good week.
UT—Her talent is beautiful. Utah always sends good talent, and this year is no exception. I haven’t been overwhelmed with her persona, she seems a bit reserved and I’m not sure how she will stand out.
VT—She’s a pretty girl and she seems to have a decent swimsuit. The big question is—how much is she going to have to do to get noticed? I am not sure what her talent is like, but talent seems to be what made Miss VT 2009 win preliminary talent and garnered them a NFT award last year.
VA—She gets practically no attention whatsoever, but I like her. She seems to be very laid back and kind. This is Virginia after all, and if she’s got enough to be competitive, expect to see her in the top 15.
WA—I always learn to listen to the folks who know that they have someone competitive. WA seems to think she is their most competitive that they have sent in years. The last time they did something at Miss America was in 2012 when Brittney Henry won a NFT, so it’s not as if they’re out to the pasture. I am looking forward to seeing what Alicia brings to the table.
WV—I think Morgan’s looks are being overlooked this year. I think she’s very exotic looking. I also think she is very genuine and a very caring young woman. There’s only one thing that I object to. It’s the name of her platform. I fully support her efforts against bullying. But the title is, I hate to say it, silly. I am hoping that she resonates with the judges, because I think she’s the real deal.
WI—I wasn’t overwhelmed with Courtney when she won. But she really seems to have a fun personality. I also consider that if Wisconsin has a strong contender they are getting it done at the national level.
WY—I think Jordyn is really cute, but I don’t know what she brings to the table as far as competition. I know she beat a medical student at Miss Wyoming.

Well, there’s my long-winded opinion on all of the contestants. The ones whose stock went up for me was ID, RI, WI and DC after seeing their videos. That’s why I like to post the videos. I realize this year that there were a few short clips on Facebook, but they were all pretty standard fare. I think a longer interview gives insight into the real personality and communication abilities of a particular contestant. One thing to remember, too, is that while some of the regulars will no doubt be around this year, I don’t think anyone is particularly out of it. We have seen some states like Wyoming, who last placed 50 years before, in the top 5. NE is becoming a state to pay attention to, AZ made a comeback, CT did well the past few years. You just never know. The ones that seem like strong possibilities to me so far for the top 15:
AL, AR, GA, KY, MD, MI, MS, NY, OK, SC, and TX with MO as the public vote winner. I realize that most of these states we see on a regular basis, but that’s the name of the game at Miss America of late. I am sure not all of these will make it, but they all seem like strong possibilities. As for who else, I don’t know. And that’s the fun part. We will find out soon enough!

What say you? Who do you think will do well, and why?

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Date Posted: 15:16:34 09/08/16 Thu

I think there has been some good debate among Miss America lovers about the talent wins in particular this year. I “get” last night’s more than I do TN on the first night. But I think that with the high standards of the preliminary talent winners over the past few years, people legitimately have the right to high expectations. In the past few years we have had the likes of Rebecca Yeh, Amanda Smith, April Nelson, Betty Cantrell and Taylor Wiebers deservedly win talent awards. All of last year’s three talent winners were fantastic singers. And when you have the level of talent that is being passed over for “entertaining” and “fun”, people are going to legitimately criticize. But they have to be towards the top of their group, and I think that’s what the frustration is. I thought that pianists were going to dominate this year; they are not. It just depends what judges like. In 1971, two ventriloquists won preliminary talent awards. Apparently the judges loved ventriloquism that year. There were more entertaining winners like Myrrhanda Jones and Ramsey Carpenter, but that was balanced by technically skilled performances. A few years ago, Miss NC (I forget her name) bested Arianna Afsar in prelimary talent by dancing to Soul Man. Arianna is now starring in a production of a Tony award winning play at the age of maybe 25 at best. (I forget how old she is) Sometimes these wins don’t make sense, it’s nothing new. Sometimes truly deserving people get passed over for what feels good in the moment. I am really hoping for MA to win talent tonight but I am not going to be the least surprised if it doesn’t happen. I don’t know what will happen with talent at all. On paper, it’s either her, KY, or MI. If it is true that they are basing on interview then I suspect MI wins, but who knows? There are going to be some strong swimsuits in this group tonight as well. Nothing will surprise me after the last two nights.
As far as the two winners last night, I do see them as possibilities for Miss America. With Savvy, she is cute. That’s her claim to fame. She always has a smile on her face and that cuteness is part of what won her talent last night, IMO. I would encourage all of you to check out her interviews. There are some current ones. She is a good speaker, certainly effective enough to communicate for a year. In a way, she kind of reminds me of Kristin Chenoweth not only in looks, but in overall persona. My big drawback with Savvy is that she does kind of present herself more like a teen winner and has a youngish personality. But then again, you can say the same of Kristin and she’s doing tremendously in her career. I could see Savvy working with CMN kids all year and charming people that she meets. On the other hand, Hannah is young, dare I say it—sexy, and she commands your attention. She certainly looks the part of a Miss America and I know she would be very red carpet friendly with the Dick Clark appearances. And she can speak. Is she pageanty? Yes. Has anyone else ever won Miss America that was pageanty? Yes, maybe one or two ;) If it were me that had to pick, I would go with someone modern that fit into today’s culture. I think Hannah could do that perfectly. On the flip side, I might think that the pageanty could turn some people off, I don’t know. Her talent is not that strong but anything goes lately. It’s nothing to be ashamed of. LOL people will complain no matter what, but it’s not an embarrassing talent or anything like that.

As for tonight, expect the unexpected!

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Date Posted: 12:17:49 09/07/16 Wed


When I think about onstage questions, these are my criterion:

1. Did they answer this question?
For me, this is the biggest factor. When you ask someone a question, you want a direct answer.
2. Did they answer it succinctly?
I want to hear a short, precise, logical answer. You don't want to get overly wordy and take twice as long to state your point. The shorter and more precise, the better.
3. Can you do it without endless statistics?
This isn't as prevalent the past few years, but you used to have contestants just randomly stating statistics without a logical conclusion.
4. Does the answer make sense?
Sometimes a contestant, particularly if they don't answer directly, it doesn't sound logical. You can give an answer and it doesn't make a lot of sense. Overall, I am never overly impressed with onstage questions because I don't find a lot of the contestants follow these guidelines. Here is what I thought:

ME—Nice sentiments about her platform, wasn’t anything remarkable. She has a girlish tone of voice.
MO—Very genuine feelings about her platform (suicide prevention), she seems a bit timid and soft-spoken
IL—Spoke about support for people with disabilities, decent but a bit pageanty
PR—Child abuse platform, spoke with conviction about her platform but got a bit carried away
WA—She was well-spoken, gave a logical answer. Seems a bit cerebral.
WI—She wasn’t the best answer but she had a nice smile on her face
WV—One thing I notice about her is that she seems to wear her heart on her sleeve. That came through well tonight. I think she rambled a bit but she was very genuine.
MD—Spoke about supporting veterans. She was decent but the main thing that I took away from it is kind of an over the top pageanty persona. A lot of confidence.
KS—She spoke as she does in her videos and AC—very articulate, very well-spoken, although sometimes a bit cerebral with a topic such as distracted driving
MT—Very soft-spoken
MI—Spoke very positively and informatively about immigration and her experience
UT—Her answer was logical but she rambled a lot
DE—I don’t know, she didn’t sound pleasant
FL—Nothing remarkable either way
KY—Gave a logical, well-thought out response to eating disorder awareness, one of the better ones
MA—Spoke about giving musical instruments to children. She wasn’t overly energetic but effective. She did a good job answering the question.
SD—Not bad, actually. She has some decent speaking skills, she just doesn’t have a lot of charisma

To me, the best by far was Michigan. I also thought MA did a good job. MO and WV were the most, IMO, passionate about their platforms. KY was good as well. The others I kind of put in the same category. I still think to me DE didn't sound compassionate, might have been the least effective for me.

Evening Gown
Overall, a good night. You can't really screw up evening gown. As always, there was a LOT of white, and it gets boring, at least to me. Some black, not a lot of colors. Some of my favorites were some of my personal favorites.

MN—A great pick for her, IMO. It was a nice burgundy which looked great with her coloring. It had a mesh top with a nice fitted body. She had a decent presentation 7
LA—Basically plain white, although she had a nice walk and looked elegant 7
ND—Another plain white. She looked okay, but as the same in swimsuit, not a lot of presence 5-6
AK—Again, white, although it had a high neck with a flared skirt and she wore it very nicely. USA roots showing here, she modeled it very well 8
DC—Wearing lucky yellow (worked for Caressa and Nina), kind of basic. She had a decent to good presentation 7
NJ—A goldish gown with a ruffled bottom. Nice and elegant, nice presentation 7
AR—A plain strapless black gown. She had a nice presentation, she looked elegant 7

IN—This was actually one of the better ones. It was plain white at the top and towards the bottom, but had nice full pink or mauve ruffles at the bottom, she looked very nice. Her walk was a tiny bit off, seemed like she didn’t have complete control of the dress but very nice 7
NM—Another favorite of mine from the night. Very nice royal blue with a wraparound, some beading at the top. With her dark hair it looked very striking. Decent presentation 7
AL—White with those back drape things. She looked very tall, statuesque, walked confidently 7.5-8
ID—boring white, but she does have some stage presence 7
PA—Plain strapless white, pretty girl but it was so basic and she just doesn’t have a lot of it factor. I really want her to just break out, but she’s just not doing it 6
TX—Looked nice in a black gown. The bottom was a little bit too big for my liking, but she looked very nice. I would have thought with her coloring she would have looked awesome in a jewel tone but nice overall 7
GA—I believe this was her state gown or something very similar. Very nice presentation, she should have scored well 8.5
HI--Very nice in yellow. It looked good with her coloring, a bit subdued but nice overall 7
NV—Basic white, didn’t make her stand up in any way, just okay presentation 6
SC—I was thinking about this. Had it not had the wraparound train, this would have been a nice but ordinary gown. This is a great example of design just making something that much more dynamic. The top was beaded, although I thought the neckline was a bit risqué LOL. It was very original, not your typical fare. It complemented her color nicely. She still doesn’t have a lot of energy, but this is about elegance, not energy 9
AZ—Ended the night with a basic white, okay presentation 7

I would say the best were SC, then GA, AK and AL. After that, I would have had NM and ID. No one was really bad, how can evening gowns be bad? I would say boring, but no one was really bad.

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Date Posted: 00:49:26 09/08/16 Thu

Top of the evening!

The competition is heating up figuratively and literally in Atlantic City. There’s going to be another heat wave. I don’t remember it being this hot during past pageants, although I’m sure that it has. Tonight was another competitive night, and like last night, at least one of the winners was another surprise. The other was one of the best swimsuit winners I have ever seen hit the Miss America stage. Hannah is not hot. She is smoking effing hot. She’s got legs for days and her presentation is just like a goddess. There was a lot of chatter when she came out. I hope to god she makes the top 15 Sunday night just so people can see it. And she was a runner-up for QOL. She’s having a great week. Congratulations to the lovely Hayley Barber for winning QOL. She was a very gracious winner.

Now, to the part I am sure everyone is curious to hear about, the talent winner, Savvy Shields. Once again, I had her about 5th or 6th in her group. Tonight’s talent wasn’t as good as last night. I would have had LA or TX as my talent winner based on their overall presentation. Looking at this objectively, Savvy seemed like she was having fun. There were a lot of spins. Of course, Savvy had a nice smile on her face the whole time and again, fun. Even though she had fun, it wasn’t an overly energetic performance. I find myself both nights now having to rationalize why three out of the four won when there were very strong contenders both standing. I don’t have a problem with one or two occasional winners that don’t make sense. But this year, the common denominator is that three of the four preliminary winners are not seemingly the strongest in their groups. I guess I could say that both talent winners weren’t over the top, they were generally pleasing. They were “nice”. I guess those of us wanting to see a little more are disappointed. You do get to have expectations of wanting “the best” at Miss America. You don’t want to just see “nice”.

And here lies the larger problem. By tomorrow night, we will have seen the contestants in, what is my opinion, the two heaviest competitions—swimsuit and evening gown. As far as Sigma goes, I would say that the most consistent non-winners have been Georgia and South Carolina, though as I always said, South Carolina is lacking in energy. Her talent was one of the better of the night and her swimsuit was good last night. She just still very much lacks energy. Patricia Ford has the energy. Of the two Sigma winners, one was just fine in swimsuit (AR) and the other was just fine in talent tonight (DC). But I don’t see a real frontrunner AT ALL. I couldn’t even begin to tell you who REALLY stands out. I am waiting to see what TN does in swimsuit tomorrow night. If she has a good night she could end up having a great competition. As far as MD goes, her weakest competition is tomorrow night. But hell, the way things are going maybe she will be a double preliminary winner. I am just having a hard time really saying who is standing out because nobody is. And with the way that the judging is going this year, it’s going to be very interesting to see the top 15. I have resigned myself to the fact that we might have a very odd year. Don’t be surprised about omissions and WTFs in the top 15, I am telling you.

On a much lighter note, the evening gowns were MUCH better tonight. Much more color! I really, really liked a lot of them. A full report by midday, so keep your eyes out! Sleep well, I know I will. LOL I feel like a contestant by the end of the week.

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Date Posted: 11:45:44 09/08/16 Thu

Good morning everyone!

Isn’t this week moving quickly? Sunday night will be here before we know it. I am still looking forward to it. Although, after last night, my wood got wet (there, I am paying homage to all of our Southern readers lol). But there was still plenty of good competition, so let’s dish!

It was indeed a strong night. Leading up to it, I was really looking forward to this group and they did not disappoint. And what was even better is that there really wasn’t a weak one in the whole group. Here is what I thought:

ME—Not bad at all. She seemed to have a nice build and had some confidence. She wasn’t that strong to lead off the group, but not bad at all. 6.5
MO—She was actually good. You can tell she has a nice, solid figure. The only thing I would say is that she didn’t have a tan and she wore white, and she kind of looked drowned out. But her presentation was good. 7.5
IL—Hot! She has a slamming body, very nice presentation and her overall look was great. I would have scored her very well in this group. Solid 8 for me.
PR—Her presentation was a little over the top, but she was good. 7
WA—Decent, she looked very fit. Sort of like I am getting to see with her, she doesn’t have a lot of energy. 6
WI—One of the weakest of the group. She didn’t walk comfortable or natural, it was one of those you see a hundred times over where you wish they’d go back to the 80s stiff walk 5
WV—Not bad at all. She looked very striking with her dark hair and tan. Her presentation wasn’t that strong, with some more energy it would have looked even better. 6.5 to 7
MD—I said in my post yesterday that you rarely see perfection at Miss America. We saw it last night. She had legs for days, confident, sexy, you name it. It was perfect. 10
KS—Had to follow that, but she looked good as well. Nice body, good look overall, nice presentation. 7.5
MT—She looked very pretty. I would have liked to see a little more energy, because if she did, she had all the makings of someone like IL 6
MI—Not her strongest competition, that will be tonight. But she did okay 6.5
UT—Not bad, she just lacks energy 6.5
DE—Again, not bad. She had a little more energy, although her walk was a bit off 6.5 to 7
FL—One of the strongest in the group. My only issue is that her presentation was a bit manic. I think she would have given MD a run for the money if it had been more focused but it was a bit over the top. It would be a good example of trying a bit too hard 8
KY—Not bad at all. She had a nice body, good presentation, nowhere near as manic as Florida and made a very nice statement 7 to 7.5
MA—Just didn’t have a lot of energy but she had a decent walk 6
SD—Again, not a lot of energy, but not bad 6
I would have said the tops in the group were MD, followed by FL then IL, then KS and MO. I said a lot lacked energy, and that was true. Their presentations weren’t bad, I just wanted to see a bit more sass or confidence.

It wasn’t as strong as Tuesday night, and there were some entertaining performances. There weren’t any real bad performances. Here were my impressions:
MN—Sang and accompanied herself to What A Wonderful World. It reminded me of a later years AI singer/songwriter performance. I thought it was very nice and heartfelt. With this judges panel it’s hard to say how it went over, but it had a nice feeling to it. Because it lacked energy, I would have to give it an overall 6.
LA—Fantasie Impromptu. Very well executed, displayed a lot of natural talent, very energetic. 9
ND—She did not do the same performance as on her video, this was more of a regular performance. It was pretty, lacked a bit of energy, though 5-6
DC—Sang Natural Woman. It was fine. I wouldn’t say it was as good as or better than some of her singing clips that I posted. It wasn’t inspiring, but it was certainly decent enough to support her win on Tuesday 6.5 to 7
NJ—She was better than her performance at Miss NJ or the webcast made things sound worse than they actually are. She had a solid performance, looked very pretty in a purple gown. 7
AK—A piano piece I think it was classical. She did a decent job with it. 6-7
AR—Danced to They Just Keep Moving the Line. She seemed to have fun with it, a lot of spinning. Some energy and she had a big smile on her face. Overall, I would just call it fun 7
IN—Tap dance, and I believe it was to the same song as she did at Miss Indiana. It wasn’t a Mallory Hagan performance, but it was a lot of fun and she brought a lot of charisma to the performance. 7.5
NM—Sang Feeling Good. I love Stephanie, but I am getting so sick of hearing this song at pageants I kind of tune it out. I almost feel I can’t be objective because it is always about the singer adding life into the last few seconds of the song. She did about the same as everyone else I’ve seen do this. 6 to 6.5
AL—Jazzy tap dance to Big Noise. I would say the music was better than her tapping ability, but it had a good entertaining value 6.5 to 7
PA—A combination of acrobatics and ribbon dancing. If you remember Christy Neuman’s performance in 1997 it was reminiscent of that minus the hoop and energy. It had potential, but again with her, she just lacks energy. I would say 7 on presentation but 6 with the lack of energy
ID—Ballet to Don Quixote from Man of La Mancha. It wasn’t the best performance of this song that I’ve ever seen, but it was decent. 7
TX—I was really looking forward to this one, and she did not disappoint. She wasn’t quite the level of a Diana Reed but had a great performance 8 to 8.5 on entertainment.
GA—Same song as at Miss GA. Same energy. I go back to wishing that she did a classical ballet, but it was certainly entertaining enough 7.5 to 8
HI—Sang O Mio Babbino Caro, same as at Miss HI. Overall, a nice presentation. Nowhere near as strong as Katie Harman, but nice, great costume 7
NV—She was actually quite good. I didn’t recognize the song, but it had a jazz theme. Very energetic, really worked the stage. 7.5 to 8 with energy and entertainment factor
SC—Lyrical dance to Somethings In The Water by Carrie Understood. This is the first time that I have seen her dance live. I thought it was good. The only thing I would say is that it seemed a bit manic in a few spots. 8
AZ—I hate to compare her to TX, but it wasn’t near as strong. Okay, just didn’t quite have the natural energy that TX had. 6

Overall, you had some decent talent. I would have had LA and TX as my guesses for the win. As far as the dancers, I would have had IN and NV over AR.

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Date Posted: 13:44:40 09/07/16 Wed

I am really looking forward to tonight's competition for a few reasons. First, I am looking forward to some of the talent and I can't wait for SS. Technically, whoever wins SS tonight will win big, because I think Mu has the stronger concentration of strong swimsuits than Sigma this year. I would say that IL, MD, KS and FL are the obvious choices, but that didn't win last night. So, we'll see!

About last night. I think at least those of us who saw Patricia's swimsuit knew what she had, and there was the surprise. I never saw Oklahoma in person, but I know the folks that did thought she had talent. I knew she would be strong by her video and seeing her live did not disappoint. You can always see things going a couple of different ways throughout the evening. That's not a surprise. Even when you have one obvious choice and maybe not the best in the group wins the other group, yeah, you'd be surprised. But with the two winners last night, they just didn't seem the strongest. Again, I go back to interview. Were these strong interviews and being rewarded? I am going to say no. The overall trend at Miss America the last few years is that the competitions have been judged constructively. Mallory probably SHOULD have won talent on her night and she didn't. Points were not thrown at Kira in swimsuit. Maryland beat both of them in preliminaries in their respective years. Could the trend be changing? It could be. Here's more on that.

Could the SS competition be changing?

The last two preliminary nights produced surprise winners. Usually, when I think of who wins swimsuit it is usually someone with an awesome presentation and body. I think of very confident, has a very confident walk and a slamming body. I would say that both Taylor and Cierra were comfortable in their own skin and didn't come out and walk dramatically. They had a more natural confidence. Maybe the days of the killer body and walk are coming to an end. Maybe it is becoming more about natural confidence and not an over processed walk. I would say Georgia Frazier last year had more of the Patricia Ford presentation like this year. I had both of them pegged to win their groups that night. But that's not what the judges were liking. No one was surprised at Daja Dial's win last year nor were they surprised at Mary Katherine Fechtel's win. I am just wondering if the way that the judges are looking at swimsuit competition is changing. Maybe that will be a nice change.

Is talent changing?
Well through the mid to late 90s and up until a few years ago, instrumentalists and classical talents like opera won. Now, the trend is toward entertaining and "Do you want to see it again?" Last night's win did not really fit either of that criterion. It was a nice, controlled, pleasing performance. I am really curious to see who wins tonight. It will likely help explain what they are looking for, also swimsuit.

Preliminary Winners and the eventual Winner
Statistically, there have never been 4 out of 5 years where a non-preliminary winner won Miss America. This past run of Miss NY winning matched 2002-2004 as the time that three years in a row the winner was not an onstage winner. Similar things happened in the late 50s/early 60s when you had several winners not winning a preliminary. At this time in the competition, I can't say whether I see someone standing out that isn't winning preliminaries. We've only had one night of competition. I think by the end of tonight we will have a better idea of who is doing well. I think with interview counting so much, there is a possibility that another non-preliminary winner wins the whole thing. However, statistically, it just doesn't seem likely. So, we need to consider the preliminary winners.

DC--I think with a solid talent night she's in the top 15, and she will likely have it. Do I think she's the new Miss America? I think there's a possibility. She beat out some strong competitors last night and that is usually the sign of a good interview. And if she gains even more confidence from her win last night, I think she will end up strong during the week. Cierra is very confident in herself. The only clips I have of her are speaking to children, but she seemed energetic. The real question mark for me is this. You can't judge on past performance. It's possible that she grew enough to be where she is. But competing Georgia right now is like competing in Texas. You have a top 10 in those states that could rival that at Miss America. If she couldn’t crack the top 10 there, I have serious doubts whether she could best the best of other states. A good example: Kira was in the top 10 only when Acacia Courtney was 2nd runner up to Nina D in NY. The next year, Acacia only makes the top 14 and Kira wins the whole thing. In that scenario, different night, different judges, different outcome. Neither were flashes in the pan. And Kira likely grew that next year as I am sure Cierra had the opportunity to do. I will wait to see how the rest of the week goes, but I do consider that she might be our next Miss America.

TN—It was another surprise for sure. Talent I would say is more objective because there is such a variety of talents. Some might enjoy a moving opera performance; others might enjoy a high energy baton routine. I said last night, she reminds me of a Laura Kaeppeler or even Pam Eldred type. She doesn’t have the biggest personality in the room, but she’s very kind and warm. Grace has always been classy and seems genuinely grateful for her experience. With this win last night, TN is starting to be a powerhouse at Miss America. And their last win was 30 years ago. With interview counting so much, I don’t think she’s the next Miss America. I just don’t think she has exceptional communication skills. But she is strong in swimsuit as well, and I know with that she’s a lock for the 15 and very likely top 10. I have been wondering when TN will have another Miss America. The closest they came was 15 years ago with Stephanie Culberson. I really like Grace and I would be THRILLED for her to be our Miss America. I just don’t know if she has the it factor, but there have been winners without it.

Thanks to all of you who have been posting, and we will talk soon!

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Date Posted: 12:00:24 09/07/16 Wed

Good morning everyone!

I hope everyone is recovering from last night. I think there were some surprises, and I will address that as well. Thinking about it this morning, I stand by that neither winner seemed like the dominant one in their group. But, they presented something about themselves that resonated with the judges.

The current scoring for Miss America is:
7-9 Above Average
4-6 Average
1-3 Below Average

I try to follow this scoring to the best. When I scored this, some of these fell between and I gave them a .5 score. Truthfully, you're not going to see a lot of 10s. Rarely anyone is perfect. When you get to this level, you don't see a whole lot of 1-3. A good example in that category would be Kristi Glakas' singing.

Overall, this was a good night. A lot of "good" above average talents. Here's a complete rundown:

NH—I Dreamed A Dream. She had a very solid presentation, moreso than Joanna Guy a few years ago. Powerful voice that filled the hall. 8
WY—Jazz dance to I’ve Got a Feeling. It was okay. She had fun but it wasn’t anything memorable or difficult 5
NE—baton to I’ve Got the music in Me. Good performance, her costume was sparking gold and it added to her performance 7
OR—Solid opera, I didn’t recognize the song. She looked great—regal black gown and she had a good performance 7
NY—English/Spanish version of Sway. I still think she did a good job with it, though I think a different song would have showed off her powerful voice. I think this was more about picking the song that would best show off her vocal prowess 7.5-8
CA—A Little Less Conversation. I hate to say this, but the costume was kind of tacky for a young woman. It really did look like Elvis. The music had more energy than the performance. This was clearly her weak area. 5
CO—Sang “Something’s Got a Hold on Me”. Of course, she will be compared to Jasmine Murray. I thought she did a very nice job with it. You can tell she’s got a great, powerful voice. I thought it was a good song choice for her. 8
IA—Energetic ballet in pointe, I didn't recognize the music. She had a lot of energy, had a lot of spark. I took ballet as a child, so it's been a while since I could speak to the technical aspect, but the overall energy and entertainment was strong. 8
VT—She recited a poem. I would say that she did it well, but these kinds of performances are a bit mediocre compared to what we saw tonight. 5-6
MS—Same song as Miss MS, and basically same performance as well. Pageanty, but she sounded better in person than on video 7.5
OK—Classical piece. She looked amazing. A very spirited performance. Lots of energy, strongest in this group 9
RI—Very similar to Nina D’s style. Her costume was beautiful, decent performance 7
TN—It was a solid, pleasant performance. Voice filled the hall very nicely. Subdued but very nice 7.5-8
VA—Baby I’m a Star. Sort of like CA, the music was kind of bigger than her performance, but she was decent 7
NC—Very pretty lyrical dance, I didn’t recognize the song. 7 to 7.5
CT—Bringing up the rear with Proud Mary. I will be honest, I hate this song done at pageants. Leave some things to a legend. It’s usually done poorly, and while I guess you could say this was entertaining, it left a lot to be desired. I know she was a dance major, and I think she could have done so much better. I hate to say this, but no more than a 5. I had high hopes for her this year but I think this could hold her back.
OH—Sang Astonishing. She has a very musical Broadway tone to her voice. Strong performance, she looked great and I might have had her for the win 8 to 8.5

To me, the best in this group were OH, OK, NH and IA. The weakest, IMO was CA, VT and CT.

Overall, a solid night. There weren't that many bad swimsuits or presentations. I have seen Sigma SS other years and I have seen a spread over the years. I wouldn't say it was loaded with killer swimsuits, but it usually never is. Here is what I thought:

MN—She didn’t have a comfortable walk, just didn’t seem naturally confident 6
LA—She wasn’t bad at all, just not outstanding 6
ND—Not bad but somewhat reserved 5
DC—(Just my opinion at first sight) decent confidence 7.5
NJ—Nice fit body, decent presentation 7.5
AK—Tall, leggy, very striking presence onstage 8.5
AR—Not bad at all, nice presence 7
IN—Cute but presentation not remarkable 6.5
NM—Very pretty, her presentation wasn’t spectacular 6
PA—Very nice body but I wish she would have been more confident 7 (just based on her overall look)
AL—Solid presentation, nice body, natural confidence 7.5 to 8
ID—not bad, but nothing memorable 7
TX—okay 7
GA—hot! Very fit, very confident, great walk 9-10
HI—hard to follow GA, she didn’t seem comfortable 6
NV—one of the weaker ones in the group, she just didn’t seem comfortable 5
SC—Solid presentation, nice body although she still needs a little more energy 8
AZ—Not bad, actually. Ended the group nicely 7

I had Georgia by a mile, followed by AK and AL, then SC. Most were in the "good" category. I would say the weakest were NV and ND. They weren't awful, just they lacked a lot of energy and confidence.

I am going to post OSQ and EG in the next post because I don't want this to get too long.

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Date Posted: 00:28:01 09/07/16 Wed

Hi everyone!

It was a great first night in Atlantic City save the “return” of Hermine. The competition was really good! I have to say, the eventual results were a bit of a surprise. But that’s the fun of this. I think a lot of people including myself were surprised with the results, so I’ll get to that right away. I just did a quick scan of the pageant chatter and I think other people were surprised.
I guess I am heading to the tattoo parlor since I said that I would get my least favorite Miss Americas tattooed on me if Patricia Ford didn’t win swimsuit. I was absolutely certain that Patricia had the makings of a swimsuit winner at Miss America. Right off the bat, I would say that Cierra was “good” but she wasn’t anything remarkable. Although, I would say that she was a better presentation than last year’s surprise, Taylor Wiebers. I would have had GA, AK, SC, and AL ahead of her. I would have had her right around NJ. So, it wasn’t as if she was way off the radar but I had Ford as the runaway winner. I will say this much—Cierra is confident. She has a natural confidence and apparently that shone through to the judges. Now, to talent. I saw Grace sing this watching the Miss TN webcast. It sounds a lot more dynamic in Boardwalk Hall. Like Katie Harman 15 years ago, her voice just filled that hall in a sweet but dynamic way. I thought that it was OK or IA’s to lose, but I totally get this win. It wasn’t the most dramatic presentation of the evening, but it just had a natural appeal. The only thing that was a bit much was she did hand movements like you would see in the 70s and 80s lol. I would say about OK’s talent is that it wasn’t quite as dynamic as on the video I posted. Maybe it was a bit of nerves, but she was still pretty good. As in the case with SS, I would have had maybe 3 or 4 ahead of Grace. Those would have been OK, IA, OH, NH, and I would have had MS, CO, and NC in the same neighborhood.
My conclusion with all of this is that neither of the winners tonight seemed to be at the top of their groups, but they weren’t totally out of left field. I just think that both winners were outperformed by others in their group. But then again, I’m not a judge. This is not the first pageant that I have seen where someone might seem like they aren’t the top of their group and end up winning a preliminary. I would encourage all of you to go back and take a close look at the DC and TN videos because part of me wonders if this is about their respective interviews. I didn’t know much about DC initially but when I did, I saw that she had a decent talent. And she presented herself well at the AC. I said that it wouldn’t surprise me to see her in the top 15, but I am pretty sure she will be after tonight. I have, however, followed Grace’s journey to Miss America, so I have to say, I’m pretty excited about her win tonight. I am hoping this means we see her Sunday night. Being objective, I am not overwhelmed with her speaking skills, but it is also about what you are saying rather than how you are saying it. She reminds me of Laura K in the fact that she is more introverted but has something special about her. I’m not 100 percent sure this about interview, though. What is more curious to me is what happens tomorrow night. I would say generally, both winners tonight were not over the top, neither of them. And maybe that’s what the judges like. Depending on what we see tomorrow night, this may be a pretty cool judges’ panel. Maybe they are looking for something different this year.

Now, onto the other categories. OSQ was no better or worse than every other year that I’ve seen. There were some good platform questions. As in her other interviews, Arianna Quan did very well. Some of my favorites, MD and IL, I hate to say this, sounded a bit pageanty, MD much more than IL. I can tell you straight out just by seeing her tonight MD has a bit of that pageanty persona. Besides MI, I think MA sounded very intelligent and WV sounded very passionate about her platform. Some rambled, PR and UT especially. Others were “okay”. KS was well-spoken and articulate.

In evening gown, I would have CLEARLY given the win to SC’s gown. I’m pretty sure she won gown tonight. That dress was in a league of its own. I would say that GA scored well, AK had a good presentation and her USA background was showing. A lot of the same old same old gowns that you have seen before.

I will post a full, complete rundown by midday tomorrow. Overall, a great first night and there is some great contestants this year! Looking forward to night 2!

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Date Posted: 19:43:12 07/19/16 Tue

The competition is set! GAME ON.

Overall, I think this was a great lottery. I saw many good moves, some iffy, and a few poor choices, but very good overall. And I saw THE gutsiest pick I’ve ever seen in the time that the lottery has been online. I am REALLY looking forward to Mu SS. In a way, I wish some of those contestants had chosen Alpha, but Miss America will rise from her group, no matter what. Sigma is going to have some really good talent this year, and some really strong ones are in Mu as well. Sigma is usually strong, the contestants have been picking it and with good reason. There have been a lot of contestants come out of Sigma these past few years. I don’t think many of the readers here are new to the system, but in case you are, here is the rundown. Most years, the top 10 usually balances out to 3, 3, and 4 for the different groups. Some years, like in 2012, Mu only had one contestant in the top 10, Alpha had 4, and Sigma had 5. But that’s kind of an anomaly. And here’s how Miss Americas since Jennifer Berry came out of their groupings:


The taking from this? We need an Alpha winner to make it even again ;) Actually, it is to say that the winners are pretty much even over the years. So, to the lottery. Here’s the best, the worst, and everything in between. But first, I must give props to the BOLDEST move I ever saw before in the lottery.

Jaryn Franklin, Miss Illinois. She wasn’t in the last seven or eight to pick and was forced to pick a lousy spot. She had the third pick of the entire lottery and chose MU 3. Damn! Now, Betty won from Mu 2 last year, but many of us were lamenting that she had to go so early. She had no choice. Jaryn could have picked the best spot anywhere and chose to lead the pack. Damn girl! I love it. I love that she has that much confidence in herself. I would have NEVER chosen that, just because judging can go slowly in the beginning. But I love that confidence. She is in an ultra tough SS group, but I think she could win it. It’s a risky move, believe me, but it was made out of sheer confidence. I am impressed.

Now, down to the good:

IA—I don’t know much about her other than her talent, but she seems to be strong across the board. IA in Alpha has been working out very well for them. It worked well for Aly Olson and it couldn’t have worked any better for Taylor Wiebers if she had tried. (Well, had she won Miss America, of course, but the preliminary judging couldn’t be any better)
If it works, don’t fix it. And it’s been working. More on this later, but I think that Sigma is once again going to be loaded, so I think that if Kelly is strong in Alpha, she will stand out in the group.

OH—Another strong talent, and Mackenzie Bart won talent at just about this same spot in 2014. Alice will have some other good talent in this group, but I think she has positioned herself well. The only thing I worry about is being the last interview of a long day, but she should be okay.

MS—She is clearly not winning talent, not in a group that includes NY, OH, and some of the others, but she has a chance of winning SS in this group. I also think this bodes well for her overall as I said with IA. I think she is plastic, old-school pageanty but this is MS after all and they know how to get it done at the national level.

FL—Again, if it works for the state, don’t fix it. Fechtel won Mu SS last year, Jones won talent in 2013. She’s later in the group for interview and shouldn’t have to worry about that. The only drawback is that she’s got some fierce competition in SS in this group.

MN—I have to say, I just think she’s adorable, more on that later. I saw a fantastic interview of hers and I didn’t think a whole lot in the beginning. But, WOW, when I saw her. Not only does she remind me of Shailene Woodley, she has a spunky, wonderful personality. If they liked Teresa Scanlan, they will LOVE Madeline. She had a later spot and there were only a few choices left. But I like that she is leading Sigma. That’s going to be a good way for her to start out.

TN—I like this pick, they have been going Sigma, and it’s been working for them. But as I said with some of the others, she has the ability to shine in this group. In Sigma, I think she might have gotten a little lost. I don’t see her as a strong lock for a preliminary win, but she’s consistent and should do well in Alpha.

I wish they had chosen another group:

NJ—SS is her strongest competition, but I am afraid she will get overlooked as some of the stronger competitors are later in the group.
IN—See above. I think she’s a doll and I still think she could do well, but still.
MD, KS, FL, IL—All of these, IMO, were possibilities for a preliminary SS win.
HI—They keep choosing Sigma every year and it’s not working for them. I wished Alison had chosen Alpha, talent is her strong area and I think she gets lost here.
MO—She was one of the last to choose, but she still could have chosen Alpha. I wish she had done that, because she’s not the strongest in other categories, and I think she might get forgotten along the way. (Yes, I want her in that top 15 despite the fact that she will be America’s choice)

Risky, could have been better:

SC—I won’t even get into the hype here, we know. And as you have read before, I’m not a big fan. However, if you read this board you know I am objective. This was a risky one for her and she had the opportunity to pick much better. She is the second to last interview of the entire pageant, and interview is purportedly not her strongest competition. She did not know who would pick next, but I think that LA or TX could win talent in this group. And I have seen her SS, it probably won’t stand out against someone like GA. I know that there have been contestants like Deidre Downs who interviewed later in Sigma and went on to win it all. However, that just hasn’t been happening as of late. I have no doubt she makes the top 10, but I also don’t think she’s going to register in interview.

AL—See NJ and IN. This is a pretty heavily loaded group and I know she’s good, but she also might have a hard time breaking away from the pack.

AR—See above. She’s very cute but it may not bode well for her.

It doesn’t matter, they’re going to be fine no matter where:


Preliminary win predictions:

Talent—MI, KY, or MA

SS—OR, possibly CA (she won a prelim in CA), MS, OK, CT
I could also see an outside chance of VA or NC, even NE
Talent—strong bet on NY, OH, possibly NE, baton twirling goes over well as it often does, OK a possibility

SS—If it isn’t GA I will get a tattoo of the last names of my least favorite Miss Americas. However, if that doesn’t happen, I could see NJ or even AK
Talent—LA, TX, or possibly SC, but I am betting on either of the first two.

Some considerations for talent: Entertaining has been winning, that is why in particular I have TX and NE as considerations. And if KY is entertaining, she will be in the mix as well. MI and LA are very strong pianists.

This year in particular, even though three non-preliminary winners won three times in a row and I don’t necessarily see that happening again, I could see it as a possibility this year. I think some of the groups are so heavily stacked that you might see someone come out who has been consistent. And with some groups having their best candidates that could have won another group, like Mu SS, you might see something like this happening. Fun note: There has not been an Alpha SS in FOREVER. I can’t even remember the last time. I think Tara Holland was a Sigma, I remember French and Baraquio were not. Whitestone was a Mu, Aiken didn’t win anything. Could it have been Carolyn Sapp? If not, then you are REALLY taking a long look back.

So, who do I see coming out of each group?

Strong bets—FL, KY
Good chance: WA, KS, MI
I hope: IL

Strong bets—NY, OK
Good chance: CA, IA, VA, TN, MS
Possible: NE, CO, OH

Strong bets—LA, TX, GA, SC
Good chance: AL, MN
Possible: NJ, AR, IN, ID, HI

And there you have it! Agree, disagree, please let us know your thoughts.

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Date Posted: 15:44:25 09/06/16 Tue

For those of you who are new here, I will post a general rundown later on tonight. And then tomorrow, and the next two days, I will post a complete rundown of the preliminaries. I will make sure and keep an eye out for the talent selections, as people have requested them in the past.

I am not sure what swimsuit music they are using, but I am kind of hoping it is Cake By The Ocean. I know the song is loaded with euphemisms but I think of all the popular songs from this year, it would be best for swimsuit.

See you all tonight, and stay tuned for a complete report later!

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Date Posted: 18:43:18 09/05/16 Mon

I lost these two during the crash. But here they are:



Evening Gown/Talent


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Date Posted: 21:09:21 09/04/16 Sun



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRrZ-6SRbbQ (short PSA)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3RUXFGvkOI (in Spanish)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DTsDu_P1Vo (PSA)



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Date Posted: 14:12:48 09/03/16 Sat

Happy Saturday everyone!

Lots of activity at the Jersey shore. The contestants are busy in rehearsals, and Hermine is getting closer. It is projected to make landfall soon, and it’s bringing a lot of wind. Supposedly, it is stalling over the Carolinas and it is not moving. It could be that it still is there for Tuesday and Wednesday’s preliminaries. For those of you who might never have been there before, take a huge umbrella or some kind of slicker if it is going to rain. If you are hiking back to a hotel on the boardwalk or if you are staying somewhere else, it's a long walk to the parking lot in the rain. It’s never a bad idea, anyway.

Now, to the opening ceremony. I am glad that it was finally posted. I am going to be honest. I’m not sure what it was, but the morale seems off to me this year. Some years the contestants are really close and have a great camaraderie. If it comes out that this year’s class was not that close, I would not be surprised. I could be off or wrong, but in years past, you saw contestants looking happy and interacting. I know you can’t sit there and smile 24/7. And it would be rude to talk during the ceremony. But overall, the contestants just didn’t look happy at all. Sometimes the contestants force a smile, but some of the contestants looked downright miserable. I am not going to say who, it’s kind of obvious. I first noticed it when the contestants were lined up to come onstage behind the stage. They could still be seen. I think you have to understand that by this point, everything you do can be caught on some kind of camera. And some of them in the back looked downright miserable and frowning. They all pulled it together by the time they introduced themselves, but still. I didn’t get a lot of good energy from this group.

The thing that I am taking away from this group is that there are a lot of articulate speakers. The ones that stood out to me the most were the following:

AL—I have no doubt she’s going to do well in interview. I liked her presentation. It was right on, succinct, and articulate. I could easily see her walking into a room of businesspeople.
DC—She was very confident. In fact, I found it bordering on being overconfident. But she did have a strong presence about her.
HI—Such Aloha spirit. She exudes a lot of happiness.
MD—I can see her going far in this competition. She just has a naturalness about her and you notice her. Dare I say it, I think she’s got more of the it factor than Nicole, and we know she did well when she competed.
MI—I thought she was very natural and real. She seems like one of those people you can’t help but like. I liked that she really seemed in the moment and not rehearsed.
MS—While her trite saying at the end was very pageanty, she had a strong presentation.
OH—very well-spoken and animated.
PR—she’s so full of zest. She rambled a bit but I love her spark.
RI—Very confident, very self-assured.
WI—Loads of personality. I had kind of written her off before, but look at Paula Mae Kaiper. Nobody expected her to do well but she made the top 12.

The ones I considered good:
AZ—She’s very articulate and had a good presentation
AR—I noticed her smile first thing. And then she smiles with her eyes
GA—effective speaker
KS—she’s a very deliberate, articulate speaker
MN—very articulate and her personality shone through. And I realized one thing—not exactly, but something about her reminds me of the 80’s goddess Martika
NE—seems very happy. I don’t know why but something about her reminds me of Kate Shindle
NY—she is a good speaker and effectively communicated her platform
PA—she made a good presentation. I am trying to figure out who she reminds me of, maybe Maggie Bridges? Or a former Miss PA? At any rate, she’s very pretty
TX—I thought she was full of energy and well-spoken. Sometimes when I see her I see a little bit of Shawntel Smith. But I get Marcia Cross a lot.
WA—confident and articulate
WY—cute, showed a lot of personality yet spoke well of her platform

In the next tier:
ID—she seemed very confident yet in a humble way
IN—She just exuded a natural warmth and spirit. She seems like one of those people that you would naturally gravitate to.
LA—she’s very cute, not the loudest contestant, but she just has a cuteness about her and behind all of that is an obviously bright young woman
OR—very articulate and focused
SD—I wasn’t really connected with the words that she said as much as I felt a personal warmth from her. Also, it doesn’t hurt that she reminds me of one of my favorite actresses, Maggie Gyleenhaal
VT—I liked her quiet confidence
VA—It wasn’t that she had the best presentation I ever saw. But she exuded something, that’s for sure. She isn’t an egomaniac but she seems to have a quiet confidence in who she is.

The following I would put into the “Just fine but nothing remarkable either way” category. Their greeting was perfectly fine, not overwhelming but certainly good enough:
AK, CA, CO, CT, DE, IL (a bit pageanty, if I must), IA, MA (and I figured it out. She reminds me both of the uber talented actress Felicity Huffman and she also reminds me of Nastia Lukin), MO, NH (She reminds me of a young Judi Evans, from Days of our Lives), NJ, NM, OK, SC, TN

The following seemed to have some issues that just didn’t resonate with me:
FL—I can’t put my finger on it, but something seems off in her presentation. I loved her dress, but she kind of seems pageanty yet not sure of her overall persona. It might be a lack of confidence, I can’t tell. But something about her seems off to me.
KY—I love her platform and career goals and I like her as a person. But her look and presentation fell flat for some reason. I think she was a bit too chatty for one.
MT—I was very impressed with her scholastic ambitions but she gave us a lot in a short period
ND—I loved her ambition and she seems like a go-getter. But she was very laid back
Speaking of chatty, I think that NC and WV gave the longest presentations. They both, IMO, said too much.

The following few just seemed very reserved and didn’t really resonate with me: DE, ME (she was very reserved and hard to hear), NV, UT (just no spark whatsoever).

This is just me, but I am not overwhelmed in general with the dresses that are in style this year. It’s nothing to do with the contestants. It’s just that they are very boring, they all kind of look the same. I am from the era of you went into the Deb shop (RIP) and you had racks and racks of dresses in every design available and every color under the sun. Rarely did you see a plain colored, form-fitting dress. The only good thing about that is that you can get away with a huge accessory, like a big necklace. I don’t look and say, “Wow, that’s a great dress!” There’s hardly anything to it. I am kind of glad that I saw a lot of royal blue because I went and bought myself a few things in royal blue for the fall this past week. One of my favorite dresses was Florida. I thought the color was great for her and it seemed a bit more glamorous than some of the others.

In other news, I will be posting the clips tomorrow. I had hoped to have them all up today, but my family Labor Day plans have been moved up due to the impending weather. I am in the path of the hurricane, so I will have plenty to keep me chilling the next two days.

Who were your favorites in the opening ceremony? Let us know!

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Date Posted: 23:49:57 09/04/16 Sun




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z82M4wG2kig (speaking begins at 6:45)






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Date Posted: 19:41:03 09/04/16 Sun

Calling this one for Florida right now. Nice to see some familiar faces back :)

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Date Posted: 18:55:57 09/04/16 Sun

Hi everyone!

I had a problem and part of my list vanished. I am working to restore the links and the very good news is that they are still marked. But just in case something weird happens again, here is the list with all of the completed states.

I have a favor to ask any of you who might be reading this before I am completed. I usually go around to the state voy boards and let them know the videos are up. I won't be able to get to them until I am finished here. If you happen to be visiting your state voy board, would you mind posting a link to the board here? I will put it at the top of the page as well, but can you let them know that I will be live posting as well starting Tuesday? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Good news is that Hermine did not really make landfall but it made some issues. Rip currents and waves are still high at Atlantic City.

(The above is a must see, it’s adorable)


With Evening gown and short talent
Swimsuit, talent, and evening gown


Photo Shoot
OT Interview
OT Talent

http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article87462667.html (short clip of talent)

http://kdvr.com/2016/06/28/miss-colorado-2016-shannon-patilla/ (Shannon sings live during this video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK96-zHNC50 (also talent in the background)
Shannon stars in a video below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNS3eh6WABg (first interview starts at 1:20)


Tribute Video


Swimsuit starts at approximately 17:50, OSQ at 35:05
Note: The second half of the pageant is blocked due to copyright issues
Speaking/Tribuute Video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXusAmDAS0s(Patricia speaks at 2:30)
Talent and Evening Gown
Patricia’s Youtube account

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJU41WKb-fg (From Miss Hawaii)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1RBfAqQPrQ (starts at approximately 2:50)
Allison’s Youtube Channel

Talent and Evening Gown
Speaking/Tribute Video

Jaryn’s Facebook page, several short videos are there


Speaking/Tribute Video

Teen Interview
Brianna’s Engagement Video as official titleholder appearance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uv9Kxt_ZjE (Narration)



http://www.thenewsstar.com/story/news/local/2016/08/24/justine-ker-prepares-miss-america/89199360/ (With a talent clip)
Crowning, talent and interview starts at approximately 22:00 below
Commercial featuring Talent
OT Interview


Tribute Video/Evening Gown

The above is a great link, it has a list of Alissa’s original music
Alissa’s Youtube Channel
Alissa’s Facebook Page
Alissa’s Website

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfSfmDx-hVQ (her interviews start after 3:00)



(Interview starts at approximately 3:45, 23:20)

Short clip of talent as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXQpBLSezec (very short PSA)



Evening Gown


Caroline’s Youtube Channel

Brenna’s Vine:



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Date Posted: 22:44:28 09/01/16 Thu

Hermine threatens to make the weekend a miserable one in Atlantic City. Just be thankful it is not next weekend or there would be no parade. I am hoping that next weekend does not repeat. There have been parades canceled in the past because of a hurricane. 2003 was the last year. Of course, they weren't in AC 2005-2012, so it's hard to say it happens every so often. Before that, Georges spoiled the fun in 1998.

Stay dry, contestants! Hopefully they didn't plan the shoots around town for Sunday.

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Date Posted: 14:35:37 08/30/16 Tue

Quality of life:

Women in Business (this is new):
Rhode Island

Maryland is already off to a good week :) With QOL, I hate to say this, but this is almost getting into the top 15 same old same old. I know not every state participates, but these states are the same ones we see again and again for QOL.

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Date Posted: 12:49:15 08/30/16 Tue

Follow ThePressofAC on Snapchat to watch the @MissAmericaOrg intro ceremony! @MissAmericaAC #acpress @ThePressofAC

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Date Posted: 12:26:17 08/30/16 Tue

Reporters @ACPressSchweder @ACPressDeRosier and photographer @ACPressPernot are covering today's #MissAmerica arrival ceremony. Follow them!

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Date Posted: 11:45:29 08/30/16 Tue

Hi everyone!

Last year, Sara Tracey covered the opening ceremony and she kept it very up-to-date with the QOL and STEM winners. She was most valuable and kept everything up to date as it was happening. According to the Press of Atlantic City Miss America coverage, she is covering again. So, I wanted to share this link and hopefully it is beneficial again this year.


Also, if the radio station 96.9 is covering the event, they may broadcast live. Here is there link as well:


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Date Posted: 01:30:00 08/30/16 Tue

WHAT: A chance to meet the 52 beautiful and talented contestants competing for the coveted crown in the 96th Anniversary Miss America Competition at Boardwalk Hall on Sunday, September 11th, at 9:00 PM ET LIVE on ABC.

WHO: Joining the contestants for this ceremony will be a host of organizational and governmental dignitaries, including:
•The Hon. Kim Guadagno, Lt. Governor of New Jersey
•The Hon. Don Guardian, Mayor of Atlantic City
•John Palmieri, Executive Director, Casino Reinvestment Development Authority
•Larry Sieg, Director of Marketing, Casino Reinvestment Development Authority
•Marilouise Venditti, MD, Chief Medical Officer, AtlantiCare
•Robyn Begley, DNP, RN, NEA-BC, Chief Nursing Officer, AtlantiCare
•Sam Haskell, III, Executive Chairman & CEO, Miss America Organization
•Lynn Weidner, Chairman of the Board, Miss America Organization
•Josh Randle, Chief Operating Officer, Miss America Organization

Miss America 2016 Betty Cantrell will speak as the Ambassador for Atlantic City, and the Quality of Life, S.T.E.M., and Women in Business scholarship award finalists will be announced during the ceremony.

WHERE: Kennedy Plaza, The Boardwalk, Atlantic City, NJ

WHEN: Tuesday, August 30th at 2:00 PM ET

ENTERTAINMENT: Join Lite Rock 96.9 on the Boardwalk in Kennedy Plaza from 12:00 – 5:00 pm and enjoy live music by Slippery Band during the 2017 Miss America Arrival Ceremony!

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Date Posted: 01:05:55 08/30/16 Tue

Hi everyone!

The contestants have arrived! They all look great. I am really excited to see the competition starting in a week FROM TONIGHT! And remember, I will be writing up a full synopsis each and every day! This weekend I will post the clips. If any of you have a great clip of your state, please post it. I’d love to have as many as possible.

Back to the Betty dilemma. Part 2 of this is relevant to whoever will win the pageant next Sunday night. In my opinion, I don’t think Betty is evil personified. I think she was having a bad day and/or getting tired of her job. She is hardly the first Miss America to feel that way. Heather Whitestone said that she didn’t like her job at first. She said that during the 1998 pageant when they had the gathering of former Miss Americas. Heather said that she was constantly exhausted and people had such high expectations of her. She said she learned to love it, but I think it was very hard on her. In his book, Frank DeFord wrote that Pam Eldred felt that being Miss America cost her a chance at a career in dance. And that was in 1970 where any Miss could walk onto any stage and get any job that they wanted. He talked about how awkward it was with her and her travel companion. They were of different life stages and had very little in common. In her book, Marilyn VanDerbur talked about feeling sexualized in different appearances. William Goldman, who wrote Hype and Glory, said that seeing Kaye Lani in action was a bit uncomfortable. I forget exactly how he said it, but in other words, either she was going around kissing everyone on the cheek or everyone was kissing her on the cheek. He said that it almost seemed too passive and like she was in some kind of a role. In the book Boardwalk in Disrepair, Amy Feller talks about how Lauren Nelson was not supported when she faced backlash over appearing on AMW. That’s an interesting book, by the way. I have not read Kate Shindle’s book, but I understand that she totally disclosed the difficulties she encountered with the current administration. The job of Miss America has always been challenging and it will always remain difficult. The difference is Betty didn’t learn the lesson that you can’t trust a reporter with an agenda. Lesson learned now, I am sure. I still think that Betty’s head is in the clouds and she is thinking about the rest of her life, a possible career in music. At the end of the day, the article did not make Betty look good. Of course, Betty is responsible for her words. You can’t report what is not there. If Betty does have a career, she will remember this and understand that you have to control your image or else there are plenty of people that will.

And that comes to the larger issue. In the last few years, we have had controversy immediately after the pageant. I will not mitigate the Nina tape issue again. The thing that was more disturbing to me was the racial comments that she purportedly made. If all of those things were true, and no one knows for sure if they were, it would have been a large scale disaster. I know at least the fat comments were confirmed by several people. Let’s face it, if that was Trump he would have released the tapes himself. Still, Nina caused a lot of problems that could have been avoided. In my opinion, I don’t think there would have been anything wrong with telling the judges that it was not in their best interest to allow her to win. But it didn’t happen. Then there was Kira and her hazing allegations. Those allegations were a lot uglier. And she was allowed to win. The truth is, right now, the powers that be do not care about controversy and if their winner could bring down the brand. That’s why I doubt they saw any problems with Betty’s commentary, save the comments about Ribkoff. Last year’s Miss Maryland had legal problems and a purported DUI and was able to keep her crown. In my opinion, that would have violated the morality and good conduct clause. It wasn’t always like this. Miss VA 1995 was not allowed to keep her crown because she fudged her academic record. It was in 1998 when Cheya Watkins was allowed to compete despite the same issue that I think the program lost some kind of integrity.

I think we have to differentiate between actual controversy and Internet fodder. Last year, Kelley Johnson’s talent was “controversial”. It was discussed because people didn’t think it was talent. Everyone had an opinion about it but hardly anyone watched the pageant. The same goes for Kira with her talent. I wish everyone that commented on it had actually watched the pageant, that would have been great. This is the day and age we live in. On the flip side, people went gaga over Alyse Eady’s talent, earning her guest appearances on Letterman and Rachel Maddow. Mackenzie Bart also got some as well. If there is a talent that is either good or bad, it will be all over the place. If there is a bad answer, it will be all over the place. Internet video fodder is one thing, but the things mentioned above are quite serious. If those things are allowed to continue, then come to expect some kind of “controversy” with the new Miss America. Welcome to the Internet age. Interestingly enough, there was no uproar on the Internet. There was just an uproar on a few pageant boards. I do legitimately think this is a serious sponsor issue, however. I hope that she was made to apologize.

One last thing. I hear conspiracy theories every year about who is “wanted” by the powers that be. Believe me when I say, the things that I mentioned above are just one of 100 problems with the current group. But I do not think for a minute Sam has it rigged for who he wants. He clearly was enamored with C. Brunnell her year and she didn’t win. He was wild over Betty Thompson and she got close. But let’s face it, he had two opportunities in the last ten years with MS and neither won, although they got close. So, let’s discontinue the conspiracy theories.

And that's all I have to say about that. When is the arrival ceremony? If the same reporter is doing live twitter from the arrival ceremony, I will put the link at the top of the board.

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Date Posted: 18:49:02 08/20/16 Sat

Hi everyone!

The time is getting closer and closer. Only three weeks, the contestants should be arriving in around two weeks, it looks like we’ve got a pageant going! But of course, once a Miss America, always a Miss America. And until your reign is over, you are still very much Miss America. Like many, I read the online article about Betty. Anyone who reads this board knows that I value honesty and objectivity. So, I will give my opinion on this article truthfully. It will come in two parts because I want to address the larger whole.

I wanted to be a journalist when I was a teenager. I loved reading the newspaper and I loved writing (I still do). Sadly, I was discouraged by family members who told me journalists were poor and never made any money. They told me that it was a dead end career and you never had a chance to move ahead. That is the farthest thing from the truth, but unfortunately, I was who I was back then. I didn’t know any better. I have known a newspaper journalist for close to twenty years now who prides himself in his work, and he is an excellent journalist. Real journalism is something that is truly needed in our society. “Gotcha” journalism and infotainment has taken over and nobody seems to care. Good, unabashed journalism answers the following questions: who, what, where, when, why and how. Good journalism shows both sides of a story if there is one. Good journalism holds people’s feet to the fire and asks thoughtful questions. Our founding fathers had the idea that journalists were to informally be the fourth branch of government. It could be argued about the role of blogging, internet journalism and social media in today’s society. Like many things, I would say it has its good and bad. The Internet has given the opportunity for many people to have voices. You can do it anonymously through a blog. You can have your own website with its own name and its own blog and put your opinions out for the world to see. Or, you can take the Katie Couric route and move to Internet news.

Even though I have this board, I have found the Internet a draining place of late. I recently read a tragic piece about a young 13-year-old boy who took his life due to bullying. There were a few kind comments from well-meaning people. But the majority were arguing, blaming the parents, fighting with other people, blaming the victim and saying all sorts of horrible things. I’d like to say this is an isolated incident, but it’s not. I can regularly go to any article and in the comments section, I can read someone tell someone else to go die now, you can go kill yourself now, I hope you are killed, go drown yourself in the ocean, etc. That’s not even what you read in political articles. It is no surprise, then, that you find all sorts of “stories” on the Internet. Gotcha journalism is motivated by making waves, no matter how fair or biased your story is. It is created to stir controversy. The goal is to go after the subject of the story and if you can, make them look as bad as possible. Thomas Friedman of the New York Times is one of my favorite journalists. He said a few years ago, “If I don’t like you, I can go online and five minutes later, I can completely ruin you”. And that’s a fact that I have seen play out many times over. It seems like our current Miss America, Betty Cantrell, ran into one of those such gotcha journalists. I will be honest, I did not bother to research the background of the author. Her article did not tell the full story of a Miss America’s life. If it was her intention to talk about the negatives of the job, a good journalist would realize that it is not all bad. He or she would have tried to balance the good and bad. She would have asked “WHY are you so frustrated with the job?” “WHAT can be done that you feel more supported?” “HOW can any future Miss America’s experience be improved?” Yes, we know why Betty was frustrated. She made that abundantly clear. There is nothing wrong about trying to bring to light the frustrations and challenges that a Miss America faces. But do it in the way that is thoughtful and compassionate. This article was full of snark and in no way was meant to bring anything positive. This wasn’t even a smoking gun where generations of frustrated Miss Americas finally spoke up about things that we suspected were happening. I would wholeheartedly challenge the journalistic integrity of the author of the article. There was nothing positive to be gained about this article. And I don’t know Betty personally. But I am very frustrated that we are ever increasingly as a society wanting to constantly bring others down in any way possible. It did not seem to matter to the author whether or not she painted one side of a very multi-faceted issue. She was out to do a hit piece, and she did one.

Now, to Betty’s role. If indeed there was a traveling companion and publicist present at that interview, BOTH should be fired immediately. I cannot believe that either, particularly the publicist, did not see how this could go down. Their job is to put out fires when they need to, not create one. I do realize with anything, be it journalism or reality TV, you can take part of what happened and edit it to make your storyline. But the truth was, Betty sounded like a loose cannon. There are two things that concern me the most. I don’t care if she was picky about her food. When she complained about not having a professional for her hair and makeup, yes, I get it, but it’s not the end of the world. From what I understand, Miss Americas are having to wash their undergarments in hotel sinks. Totally non-acceptable, no matter what. When the USA girls travel, they still have an apartment base in NYC (or at least used to. I’m not sure where they are past Trump). Miss America does not have a base, does not have a professional hairstylist. But, they do have a wardrobe sponsor. And a very generous one at that. From what I understand, Joseph Ribkoff donates the money for Miss America’s $50k scholarship. I know people have complained about the dresses, but they don’t look bad to me. Then again, what do I know? I don’t care much about fashion anymore. I dress for comfort and I like how I dress. That’s not important, though, what I think, or anyone thinks. That includes Betty. I had a friend who worked in a famous sport which is known for its sponsorships. After one of the sponsored athletes had an interview, either the athlete or the reporter did not mention the sponsor. My friend said that someone from the corporate office was on the phone fifteen seconds after the interview was done. Sponsors DO care and I have heard Miss Americas mention Ribkoff’s name during national interviews. Joseph Ribkoff has been very generous in a time when we can barely keep sponsors. Nothing should be done for that relationship to go sour. And by Betty’s comments, it could very well go sour. I would hate to lose the sponsor that pays for Miss America’s scholarship. It’s very possible that it happens, and that would be very bad and very sad. Whether or not his fashions are your cup of tea, he has been a very generous sponsor and Betty’s complaints could jeopardize that. I am sure he is well aware of the situation. Betty should be made to apologize.

The other thing that bothered me is about Betty’s comments about the people in the parade talking to her. I wholeheartedly agree with Betty that she should have been provided with water. If that parade was 90 degrees or more, and you’re out in the late morning or mid-afternoon sun, it can get damned hot and dangerous. It would be worse if you were marching, but everyone should be given proper water and cooling when possible. What was bad is how she complained that everyone kept wanting to talk to her. There is the idea that when you meet a Miss America, she should make you feel like the only one in the room. That’s true for anyone. If you meet someone new, you want to feel like that person enjoys you, enjoyed speaking to you, etc. If I saw that article and I was that person or persons that Betty spoke to that day, I would feel like I was really a pain in the ass. Or maybe not. Maybe I would realize that she seemed to not be feeling that well that day or was having an off day, or whatever. But regardless, I don’t think I’d trust her. And that’s not how you want to be remembered. No one wants to feel like someone is doing them a favor by taking time out of their day to talk to them. People want to feel valued, not like a beauty queen with a crown is doing them a favor out of her precious day by talking. And that’s where I see the larger problem. Anyone who met Betty this year may be suspicious of her.

As far as the boyfriend stuff—I am not sure after Nina verbally attacking the person a few years ago changed talk about boyfriend policy, if there even was one. I think most of us who have been around the block know that she’s young and in love (or thinks she is) and even five years down the road from now, she won’t be singing his praises on Twitter or wherever it is. I think that a Miss America should be allowed to discuss the fact that she has a boyfriend within reason. If she is asked, I think she should respond politely that she does. If asked, she should address it (how long you have been in the relationship, etc) but that’s it. But if they are restricted on posting about them on social media, I don’t think that is a bad idea. It does seem a bit immature to be posting about a boyfriend when your job is being Miss America. I suspect that Betty’s head is in the clouds with her relationship, and that is where a lot of this is coming from. I am assuming this is a serious relationship, I have heard that they are engaged but I can’t confirm. If she is serious about it and is thinking wedding bells, yes, it seems much more glamourous that her present duties. Jennifer Berry was the same way. It seemed like once she became serious with and engaged to her now husband, she seemed to lose interest in her duties. This isn’t anything new. I heard numerous stories about her being disinterested at appearances, being on the phone constantly, and not really taking her responsibilities seriously after that.

I think that is where I will leave this for now, and part two I will post tomorrow. Maybe I wouldn’t make a good journalist, I get too long winded ;)

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Date Posted: 20:06:36 07/17/16 Sun

If you are like me, you are spending this weekend either trying to beat the heat or work on your tan. But Monday awaits. And tomorrow is not just any Monday. Jojo meets the families of her final four men. Oh wait, there’s something else going on. The Miss America lottery!

There is a lengthy post that I did last year about picking your competition slot. It can be found on page 6 of the archives. Last year, Betty was Mu 2. Like many, I considered it the kiss of death for her. But, I can confidently say now, it’s not going to matter where you are. If you are Miss America, they’ll find you. I don’t know if this year will have one or two panels. I think that bad lottery picks are more forgivable with two panels, and that was especially true of last year. I have a feeling it will only be one panel this year, just by virtue of the fact that judging changes so constantly of late they wouldn’t dare go with the same things two years in a row. And Georgia Frazier (OK) IMO picked a bad slot because talent was certainly not her strong area and she still made the top 10. So, strategy isn’t as important as other years.

As far as who picks what this year? This year in particular, there are a lot of contestants who are strong in both swimsuit and talent. Those contestants really don’t have to worry about their placement. I think that if I wanted to win a SS preliminary I would stay completely away from GA’s group, possibly MD or KS as well. But who knows? I will post my predictions as far as who I see out of each group for possible winners after the lottery.

I will be working tomorrow afternoon but watching, anyway. I will be sure and post my complete thoughts tomorrow night. Have fun in the meantime, have as good of a Monday as you can and remember, this is actually a fun Monday for us MAO junkies.

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Date Posted: 17:17:29 07/02/16 Sat

Happy Independence Day weekend, everyone!

Tonight’s pageants are of interest to many of us. These states have done extremely well over the past 10-15 years at Miss America, so it’s safe to say you will see at least three of the top 15 at Miss America crowned tonight. Here are my thoughts:

CA—Izamar, PLEASE. That is all. No, actually, that is not all. Nicole Renard, former America’s Junior Miss, is competing in CA this year. I definitely see a state crown in her future. The last national Junior Miss to win Miss CA did very well at Miss America, Tiffany Stoker in 1995. I am really hoping for Izamar as this is her last year. She is beautiful, sings like an angel, and would likely get CA back to the top 15. \

\FL—It is hard to say who will win this year, there aren’t a lot of notable returnees. A lot have aged out. However, it is safe to say that whoever wins is a good candidate for the top 15 at Miss America. I am not too familiar with anyone competing this year, so it should be exciting. If anyone has any commentary, please share!

KY—There are a lot of notable returnees, such as Talia Horn, Annie Franklin, and double preliminary winner Laura Jones. I would look for your winner to be one of these three.

MA—I think Brianna Bostick is a former OT and has done very well in past competitions. I also know that Samantha Hawkins is considered a front-runner. My money would be on Brianna at this point. I hate to say it is her “turn”, but it kind of is. Truthfully, though, I don’t think they have anyone as strong as Meagan Fuller this coming year. I don’t see any possibilities at Miss America in this particular group, sadly. Best of luck to Meagan in all of her future endeavors.

OR—I’m afraid that I don’t know much about anyone competing this year. And with their record at Miss America of late, it’s not a state that stays in the national spotlight, so it’s hard to get good information. But I do hope they crown someone that sends them back into the top 15. This is, after all, the state of Katie Harman, Emily Orton, and many more.

TX—Whoever wins is at least in my top 15 at Miss America. After last year, just consider Texas a regular, no matter what lack of singing or star power they have. As far as this year’s contestants, I think the outstanding teen winner Madison Fuller seems like a favorite to win. She kind of looks young to me, but I haven’t seen her compete, really. I am not familiar with the double preliminary winner much, but the overall trend in Texas is not for them to win, anyway.

WA—The most notable competitor is the younger sister of Lauren Kuhn. I am sure she has some good advice for her younger sister. Although, nothing is set in stone. These crowns are not family lifetime achievement awards. Like many of the others tonight, you have to take a close look at who is competing, because if WA has national potential, you will see them in the top 15, no doubt. I’d love for them to have a Miss America someday.

I will post more commentary, including a complete synopsis state by state of the wins this year. But now, I have a previous engagement which may or may not be a lot of fun this evening. It is why I probably won't see the Miss CA webcast, but best of luck to ALL of the wonderful competitors competing tonight!

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Date Posted: 17:34:57 06/25/16 Sat

Nothing like getting it in under the deadline ;)

This week has been extremely crazy, but I wanted to offer my insights into tongiht's competitions:

AZ—Off the bat, it looks like Katelyn Niemec is the one to beat. She is the perennial runner-up, a former OT for the state. However, she hasn’t been able to seal the deal. Brittany Mazur, also from AZ, had a similar experience. Maybe like Brenna Weick, this is finally her year. From what I understand, there is another former OT contestant that did very well at the national competition. Arizona is not always a predictable state, so we’ll see what happens! Congratulations on a great year, Madison Esteves. Or, a younger version of Jami Gertz ;)

LA—I am a big fan of Laryssa Bonaquisti (if that’s not how you spell her name, good enough). She won a preliminary, and she did very well the first time she did Miss TX. She may or may not take it, she’s pretty young yet. I know there is a lot of buzz around the first runner-up from last year and talent winner Justine Ker. Last year, LA sent strong talent and it worked out well for them. April Nelson was one that won me over last year. I wasn’t a fan at her crowning, but her amazing voice and interviews won me over. I am sure the future holds good things, and I am sure we will only be hearing more from her. Future contestants, take note-all you have to do is take a simple song and sing it beautifully.

MD—On paper, this looks like a showdown between two former contestants that did well, Stephanie Meadowcroft and Ebony Sherill. Ebony placed higher than Stephanie over the years, but I think Ebony has been a bit more inconsistent. In fact, I think she missed the top 10 last year. I would say Stephanie has a slight edge, especially with her win. But Maryland has been known to produced some real surprising results.

MS—Of course, Laura Lee Lewis can usually be considered a frontrunner, and this year is no exception. My biggest issue with her, and I will be watching tonight, is that she is too glorified patty. That hasn’t been winning this year, at least from what I’ve seen. Molly May has a good reputation as an OT, but I felt like when I saw her last year, she was still a little green. I absolutely see a future Miss MS, maybe this is the year. Whoever wins is a good guess for the top 15 at Miss America. Speaking of, congratulations to the first runner-up in a very strong class at Miss America, Hannah Roberts. Much like Courtney the previous year, she just kind of snuck in, did her thing, and won $40k. Best of luck to a great young woman.

NC—The only name I really recognize this year is Mackenzie Faggart. I hate to say this, because this is the state that gave us the likes of Michelle Warren and Kirstin Elrod, but those days are long gone. I hope whoever wins tonight can become competitive at Miss America, it’s been too long for NC. I can’t think it’s for lack of quality contestants. Who knows, but I hope it can retain its former glory.

PA—Right off the bat, this looks like it is Julia Rae Schlucter’s to lose. Sometimes that has been true this pageant season; other times not. She competed against a former Miss America and was first runner-up last year. I didn’t see the pageant, so I can’t say what held her back. Aside from SS, what I saw of Miss PA at Miss America was not overwhelming, so I am not sure what held Julia back. It could have just been different night, different judges. However, Samantha Lambert is a double preliminary winner. That hasn’t been really working out this year, as hasn’t in years past. I am not familiar with Samantha but she is a pretty girl. She looks like she might be competitive in SS at Miss America. Is Caroline Collins competing? I don’t think I saw her in the list.

PR—This is usually the best kept secret in the MAO. I am not even sure who is competing, so it’s hard to say.

SC—The biggest newsmaker is obviously former MAOT winner (headscratcher for me, like many of them) Rachel Wyatt. Statiscally, none of the MAOT winners have won their state pageants on their first try. So, it’s safe to say the odds are against her winning this year. I am not familiar enough with who is competing to say who it might be that beats her. Full disclosure: I have never been a fan of Rachel. I saw her compete the same year that Ali Rogers won. Obviously, it was my opinion, because they both went on to win and get first runner-up at their respective national pageants. But I just saw no personality there whatsoever. I remember that the second runner-up that year was an excellent opera singer and she lost overall talent to Rachel. Maybe she had a good interview, who knows? Unless she has grown a personality over the past few years, I wouldn’t expect her to pull off a win tonight unless there is no other competition.

VA—The only real recognizable name is Veronica Robertson, and I think she is a double preliminary winner. I am not too familiar any more with Virginia, as many of their strong competitors over the years have aged out. But, I think it is safe to say, based on their performance the last few years at Miss America, pay attention to who wins tonight. Also, a shoutout to the lovely Desiree Williams for her well deserved top 10 placement at Miss USA.

WI—I am not too familiar with the state, but it looks like a lot of newbies this year. It worked out well last year. Even though she didn’t place at Miss America, Rosalie was certainly lovely and I hope she tries the USA system. She’s got plenty of time and plenty of beauty.

WV—This one is hard to tell because they keep a low profile on their competition as well. But best of luck to the amazing singer and top 15 finalist Chelsie Malone. I am quite sure we have not heard the last of your powerful voice.

WY—It’s safe to say that Lexie Maddens only come along every so often in WY. I am not sure what is happening, but I wish all of the contestants much success tonight.

I have a feeling we will see some pleasant surprises, some sure things, and the occasional WTF? Tonight. Here’s to a fun evening!

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Date Posted: 21:19:03 06/25/16 Sat

Taryn Foshee looks fantastic as ever. Wasn't overly impressed with any of the talents except Moore. Leaf River Valley's expression were outrageous.

I think this is Lewis' to lose, but it is kind of underwhelming. She wins by default, no one really stepping up the cocmpetition.

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Date Posted: 17:43:19 06/25/16 Sat

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Date Posted: 13:39:41 06/18/16 Sat

Well now that the preliminary results are in, I have a better of idea what might happen tonight. I have also been keeping up with Miss TN all week, so that should be fun. My commentary will be a bit more detailed about that. But here goes:

CT—If I understand correctly, there are two double preliminary winners, last year’s 1st runner-up Jonet Nichelle being one of them. It should be interesting! Congratulations to Colleen Ward, who was just so damned cute in Atlantic City.

DC—No one can replace the fabulous Haely Jardas, but technically, she’s gotta pass along the crown. It looks like there are a lot of newbies this year in DC. I don’t think a lot of them have much experience like some that have competed over the years. Meaning, you often got a lot of transplants due to job opportunities, etc. I don’t think there are that many this year, and a lot have aged out. So, let’s welcome all of our newcomers.

GA—Obviously doing something right, and it looks like this year’s class is going to be strong once again. I hope that Adeline comes back and competes for Miss GA next year if she still has time. I was always a fan of hers. This year, another favorite of mine, Patricia Ford, has won double preliminaries and is looking very strong. Coming off of Betty’s success, I have no doubt that whoever wins will be ready for the top 10 in Atlantic City.
See the webcast tonight: http://wrbl.com/tag/miss-georgia-pageant/

ID—Has the reigning National Sweetheart, as they did last year. It is pretty safe to say that Kaylee Carlesberg wins tonight. But you never know, do you? I was such a huge fan of Kalie Wright and I wish her nothing but the best in the future.

IL—I was wondering what happened to one of my favorite runner-ups from last year, Kristen One. It seems like she’s crossed the state line. She hasn’t won a preliminary, but that doesn’t mean much. I am not too familiar with the others that are competing, but I wish them the best.

IN—I think the lovely Rose McClimans is the frontrunner, and I hope that she wins. She already won a talent preliminary, so she is looking good to the judges. Best of luck to all the young women competing tonight.

MI—My memory is bad, but I liked the first runner-up from last year and I forget her name. But I hope she is competing nonetheless lol. I’m afraid I don’t know much about Michigan any more these days. In fact, I don’t know if Kaye Lani’s daughter is competing again this year. I hope she becomes Miss Michigan someday. Too much DNA to go to waste ;)

MN—Like Michigan, I am also not familiar with who is competing again this year. I think a lot aged out and I don’t know that there are any strong front-runners. But I wish the best to the beautiful Rachel Latuff in her future. Try USA!

MO—Lots of new contestants this year, and there were a lot that aged out, too. One of my favorites, Kelby Zwerwonka, is not competing again this year. I would hope that she does in the future, though I don’t think she has that many years left. Katie Moeller is a double preliminary winner. However, in MO in particular, I wouldn’t hold my breath there. That’s almost a curse. Conventional wisdom says she is the one to beat, especially since she’s been around a few years and it just might be her time. But who knows?
See the Miss MO webcast tonight. It is $7.00 to view: http://portal.stretchinternet.com/jcproductions-missouri/

NJ—This should be an interesting showdown between two former outstanding teens, Kaitlyn Schoeffel and Brenna Weick, both of who won prelimnaries this week. Kaitlyn has a good history at Miss NJ, as does Brenna. My fear is—I think this is now or never time for Brenna. I just think if she is not able to work out whatever was holding her back over these past few years, it’s not going to happen. I am a huge fan of hers, but you know I don’t pull any punches, either. Let’s hope for the best!

FYI, NJ is usually webcast, but it is always announced last minute. It can be found at:

NM—I haven’t been able to find any good information about what is happening there. But I was cheering for Torres last year. If she is competing, I hope she wins. Also, I liked Stephanie Chavez. I would love for Miss NM to get some prep help as they have been doing something right at the pageants the last few years. 2 NFI awards is nothing to sneeze at. There are such lovely contestants every year and I’d love to see them in the national spotlight more than once every 20 years or so.

OH—Another state where it seems like there are a lot of ageouts and newbies in the waiting. I think the only notable returnee is Sarah Clapper. Best of luck to all!

SD—I don’t know much about what is happening there this year. If anyone has an updates, please let us know.

TN—Oh what the heck, a separate thread is in order.

UT—Whoever it is, expect some great talent at Miss America There are several returnees, including Liz Palmeri and some previous OT winners who have won preliminaries. It should be a great showdown tonight! Best of luck to Krissia and I am sure we will hear from you in the future

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Date Posted: 22:00:46 06/18/16 Sat

And Patricia Ford AND Sarah Klein last week. I am getting spoiled! This is going to be a GREAT class.

I am ready to dance. Throw in Jeannette Morelan, who is there to win, and I will go to pageant heaven tonight.

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Date Posted: 14:20:39 06/18/16 Sat

What a competitive year at Miss TN. I could see this going several ways tonight. Last night’s SS competition in particular was fantastic. I didn’t see one bad swimsuit in that whole group. Half of them looked like they could go to Miss America and win a preliminary. Even the talent isn’t as egregious as previous years.

Night 1—I had either Nashville as my talent winner and Collierville as the SS winner and I was right on. Both of those were the clear choices in each of their group. Sullivan County was a decent dancer and Music Grove/Row (whatever that is) wasn’t bad, either. Other good SS were Parsons, Decatur Co and TN Valley. EG I had Johnson City, Shelby County, Mt Empire and MTSU as very strong. Was Hannah overcome with emotion when she was playing New York State of Mind? I can understand. After 9/11, I can’t hear that song either without becoming choked up.

Night 2—I had either Nashville or Historic Jonesborough winning SS and Lexington winning talent. I fully agree with Desperado winning, though. It was a thoughtful performance and it was simple, the way the song is supposed to be. Very sweet. Some other good talents—Ease On Down the Road was very energetic, I could have seen her as a possible winner. The Rhythm Nation dancer started out okay but then half of the song ended up being pirouettes. It seemed very pageanty. In EG, I had Parsons and Decatur Co as the top 2.

Night 3—Damn! That SS competition was spectacular. As I said earlier, I could see half of them going on to take a prelim at Miss America. I could have seen that going to either Johnson City, Queen City, TN Soybean Festival, or Shelby County. Talent—TN Valley to me was the clear choice in talent. But I was afraid that Snipes would take it because it was entertaining. To be honest, I think it was completely overdone and it would be Youtube fodder for a national pageant. She’s got ability but I think the performance is just over the top.

In general, I see this going to either Grace Burgess or Jeannette Morelan. If it wouldn’t be Jeannette this year it would be next year. Both have different strengths and I could see both doing well at Miss America. In fact, I could see Jeannette in the top 5. I am biased, though. She, Olivia McMillan and the current OT are the only ones I have ever had any use for. My big drawback with Jeannette is that she is a bit too pageanty and not quite present, if that makes sense. She has incredible stage presence that would make her stand out at Miss America. But her confidence can come off as distancing. It’s one of those where yeah, you know she’s got “it”, but you don’t really know her. It could be the difference between her winning and losing this. I really like Grace Burgess as well and she is very strong across the board. I have a feeling this could be hers tonight. She has a quiet confidence, she’s a pretty young woman and I think she has a lot of class. I think she’s got plenty to offer in Atlantic City. And whatever you think of the leadership, they have been getting it done. I would be happy with both and I would be disappointed with the one that did not make it.

The others who have been strong across the board have been:

Shelby County—she’s a very good competitor, very pretty, and she seemed like fun during her onstage interview. I am hoping for good things from her I think there are two frontrunners at this point, but I could see her in the top 5. I think talent is her weakest category but when has that ever stopped anyone before?

Johnson City—she’s been sold across the week and she’s got great educational credentials.

TNSoybean Festival—has also been solid this week.

TN Valley and Chattanooga should be in good shape, especially with their preliminary wins. I expect to see both in the top 10 and maybe top 5 if they perform well.

Decatur County—she’s got potential and I could see her 11-15. I think she’s got big potential for the next few years.

Knoxville—Same thing. She’s got something sweet and natural about her, I don’t know if we see her this year, but she’s got real potential for the future.

Tipton Co—She just reminds me of a young Kylie Minogue. This year, I don’t think we see her, but she’s young and I hope she comes back.

Parsons—She was strong except for talent, and that talent was pretty bad. I gave it a 3. Although, again, it probably wouldn’t hold her back I don’t have her in the top 5 but I could see the top 15.

I’m sure there are some I forgot, but those stood out to me. Who is the new Miss Tennessee? We’ll find out soon enough! Tune in tonight, for free at:


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Date Posted: 12:53:04 06/18/16 Sat


I am embarrassed about how long it has been. I had been wanting to post for the past almost three weeks but Voy had been down. I was contemplating what the next step would be had this not come back up. I will tell you, though. These boards are a wealth of information. I found it very hard to keep up with the pageants that were going on and who was winning what. Last weekend, I did find that the Pageant Junkies Twitter had great, up-to-date information. So, if you find yourself at work or not able to keep up with what is happening, please visit their Twitter page. It is still a bit touchy with being able to log into the Voy admin. By next week, I am hoping to post any links for webcast information. If your state is being webcast, please let me know and I will post it as hopefully, the owner login becomes more workable.

A great big THANK YOU to those who have been posting in my absence. Thank you in particular to the historian who has been posting all of the fun facts and trivia. Please continue! I love pageant history. And with Ric Ferentz no longer with us in the physical realm, we need to keep talking about the history of the pageant.

As those of you who read during pageant season last year, I got some bad news about my job. I had to pick up another one to make ends meet. For that reason, I have been just completely drained of energy and time. I have always been close in spirit, though. Once again, I thank all of you who have kept up with the board. I promise it will get even more interesting as the weeks go on.

I wanted to post a preview of the upcoming season, but I can still do that for tonight.

Please stop back often and I will be providing lots of commentary!

Oh, AND......look for commentary FROM ATLANTIC CITY ONCE AGAIN!!!!!!!!!

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Date Posted: 10:25:24 10/16/15 Fri

Countdown to 100 !!!

Historical facts and trivia, historical articles. We thought of creating a book for the 100 Anniversary, but no one was interested in it. So for the next 5 years watch out for some trivia facts right here!

Everyone is welcome to contribute - the more information the better.

Thank you!

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Subject: Countdown to 100 - (1925)

Answers what happened to the Golden Mermaid trophy
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Date Posted: 12:37:02 10/21/15 Wed

Atlantic City, NJ, Sept. 12 (UP)
From sunlit California beaches came the 1925 Miss America, Fay Lanphier, golden blonde from Oakland, winning the annual beauty tournament.

And so that the state in which Professor Mack Sennet led the culture and training of bathing beauties might have its cup filled to overflowing, Adrien Dore, otherwise Miss Los Angeles, received second honors.
Fay is tall and 19; Adrien short and 17. Other statistical information regarding the winner and runner-up, tending to prove that the judges who scanned the sixty-six fair entrants clad in one-piece bathing suits were not searching for a type, follows:
Miss Lamphier: Blonde hair, hazel eyes, five feet, 6 inches high, weight 138, bust 34; hips, 37 1-2; waist 26 1-2; arm, 22; thigh, 21 1-2;calf, 12 1-1; ankle, 8.
Miss Dore: Hair, brown; eyes, gray; height, five feet, 4 inches; weight, 116; bust, 33; hips, 32; waist, 25 1-2; arm, 21 1-2; thigh, 17 3-4; calf, 13 3-4; ankle 8 1-4.
Every girl in the contest received a gold or silver cup for some particular item of pulchitrude in which she excelled the others and all of them were almost as radiant as Miss California,

Miss Lanphier, who last year was an entrant from Santa Cruz, announced to those who surrounded her that she was a nice little home body of a girl, spending most of her time in a kitchen when she was not being an amateur beauty.

Mary Katherine Campbell of Columbus, Ohio, Miss America in 1922 and 1923, was given an ovation today at the distribution of prizes won during the 1925 pageant on the million dollar pier.

Miss Campbell was given the original golden mermaid trophy reported to be worth $5,000. Miss Lanphier received a replica of the trophy worth $2,000.

Trophies similar to the one given Miss Lanphier are to be awarded to Miss Margaret Gorman of Washington, D.C., winner in 1921 and Miss Ruth Malcolmson of Philadelphia, last year’s selection, who did not compete this year because she alleged “commercial” beauties were entered. Neither of the girls was in the city and the trophies will be sent to them.

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Date Posted: 18:58:48 09/21/15 Mon

Jaimie Alexander:

I can see where people wouldn't like this, I like the jewel tones and I like that it's different. It works well with her coloring.

Sarah Hyland

To me, this was the gown of the night. Sheer red carpet perfection.

Sarah Paulson

I liked the overall concept, different, you notice it yet it isn't overpowering the star. Just very classy.

Aubrey Plaza

Like Acacia's Miss America gown but with sparkle. She's not exactly a fashionista, she does her own thing with regards to the red carpet but this one was a hit.

Kristen Schall (who?)

I still don't know who she is but I love this dress.

PLUG: Speaking of Emmys, if you have not seen Olive Kitteridge yet, pick an afternoon this weekend and see it. It is every bit as good as the wins suggest. It isn't a "feel good" kind of movie, but that's why it's excellent. I saw some of the best acting I've ever seen on the small screen. Just excellent.

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Subject: Countdown to 100 - (1926)

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Date Posted: 12:48:31 11/02/15 Mon

From 1923 thru 1927 the inter-city contestants were divided into 5 regions to compete for Roller Chair Parade judging and Bathers Revue judging. The top 3 from each of the 5 regional divisions in Bathers Revue became the 15 semi-finaltists to compete for Miss America.

All the inter-city contestants competed together for the Most Beautiful Girl in Evening Wear competition. (ie there were no regional divisions)

Roller Chair Parade
1 - New York
2 - Lockport
3 - Yonkers

1 - Philadelphia
2 - Orange
3 - Union City

1 - Baltimore
2 - New Orleans
3 - Huntingdon

1 - Duluth
2 - Lansing
3 - Battle Creek

1 - Wichita
2 - Tulsa
3 - Tacoma

Bather Revue
1 - New York
2 - Bridgeport
3 - Yonkers

1 - Philadelphia
2 - Newark
3 - Orange

1 - DC
2 - Dallas
3 - Norfolk

1 - Lansing
2 - Kansas City
3 - St Louis

1 - Tulsa
2 - Denver
3 - Seattle

Evening Gown
1 - Tulsa
2 - New York
3 - DC

Top 6: Baltimore, Elizabeth, Kansas City
Top 18: Bridgeport, Dallas, Denver, Lansing, Newark, Norfolk, Orange, Philadelphia, Seattle, St Louis, Utah, Yonkers

Parade (Grand Prize)
New York

Totally separate from the Inter-City competitions include the following Bather Revue winners:
Amateur Division:
1 - Miss Kirby
2 - Margaret Sullivan
3 - Helen Boyle
Professional Division:
1 - Rose Host
2 - ?
3 - Ruby Stevens, Miss Beaux Arts Café
1 - Marian Ryan, MNiss West Atlantic City
2 - Mary Mavretic, Miss Brigantine
1 - Annete Kellerman's Bathing Girls
Professional Group:
1 - Naught Riquette

The third place Professional winner was Ruby Stevens who went on to be the movie star Barbara Stanwyck

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Subject: Has California dominance ended?

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Date Posted: 13:05:42 09/18/15 Fri

3 out of 4 now have failed to make the top 15. Ernie is here, do you think it is because of the internal Miss California problems? What happened? Bree had a great personality, Marina was beautiful and talented. I could see Leah being out, she wasn't that outstanding. But the other two I don't get. What's going on?

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Subject: Betty's Lipstick

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Date Posted: 16:50:23 11/13/15 Fri

Silly question, but does anyone happen to know the brand or name of the lipstick color Betty is wearing in the crowning/press conference photo at the top of this page? It is so beautiful! Thanks in advance.

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Subject: Coutndown to 100 - (1926)

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Date Posted: 12:22:04 10/20/15 Tue

Who was the first Miss America to appear in a major movie?

Fay Lanphier. At the Miss America pageant in 1926 a separate set of judges judged the 15 Miss America semifinalists to pick the Most Photogenic who would win the prize to appear in the major movie American Venus. It was totally separate from the Miss America judging and the director of the film Frank Tuttle was one of the judges of the Most Photogenic contest.

Later Fay also won Miss America and a newspaper of the time claimed that the pageant had been fixed. The newspaper later retracted their claim. The film American Venus was a success. The pageant scenes were filmed in color at the actual pageant and the rest of the movie was filmed on Long Island New York. The film is considered “lost” but the color pageant scenes exist on file at the Library of Congress.

For winning the Most Photogenic contest Fay also received the two foot high bronze American Venus statue trophy created by Belgian artist Helene Sardeau.

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Subject: Countdown to 100 - (1921)

This is the earliest article I have found concerning M.A.
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Date Posted: 06:56:37 10/21/15 Wed

Newark Sunday Call, April 10, 1921
Atlantic City. Pageant Day in Atlantic City hereafter is to be a municipal holiday.

Mayor Edward L. Bader after a conference with the officials of the roller chair parade, made that decision and September 8 is to be the city’s specified fete day. To that effect a proclamation will be issued by the Mayor the first of September, with the request that all commercial houses shall close and give their employees a holiday.

The arrangement committee has been busily at work and the outline of a program for this fall has been prepared, with details to be filled in from week to week. There will be five big divisions in the pageant, with prizes plentiful for the best displays.

The first four divisions will lead up to the fifth and main divisions, the imposing “Bathers’ Revue” which has been divided into sections A and B. In section A will be girls who are not actresses, or in professional theatrical work of any kind. Section B will take in stage folk, movie stars and professional swimmers, and in each section a huge loving cup will be awarded the girl acclaimed to be the most beautiful by the judges. Then in the evening another choice will be made of the most beautiful girl, this time popular approval to be the influencing factor. Whoever captures the honor will receive the grand prize of a golden statuette, “The Golden Mermaid.” And a $5,000 bond will have to be furnished by some friendly backer to ensure the winner will not dispose of it for one year.

The winner of “The Golden Mermaid” will receive the honor of being classified as “America’s most beautiful bathing girl” and her picture will be sent broadcast on posters and pamphlets and all correspondence to advertise the pageant for 1922.

For Section A, Annette Kellerman has donated the prize cup and she will be one of the judges. “Flo” Ziegfeld has also consented to serve as a judge and other eminent persons will be secured to round out the jury panel of beauty. The entries in division B already make up a formidable list and by fall this portion of the parade. It is certain will be prepared as one of great proportions.

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Subject: Does anyone know the dates for MAOT 2016

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Date Posted: 17:13:17 09/16/15 Wed

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Subject: Is this a dead board now?

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Date Posted: 07:34:22 10/12/15 Mon

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Subject: Golden Mermaid

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Date Posted: 11:36:26 10/01/15 Thu

Someone on another message board stated that the MAO offices have one of the Golden Mermaid trophies, but they don't have any real information concerning this. Does anyone know or have any information if the MAO actually owns one of the Golden Mermaids? Or does anyone know where and who has a Golden Mermaid other than Norma Smallwood's niece(who has Norma's).
Thank you.

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Subject: Were the Non-Finalist Talent Winners and Non-Finalist Interview winner ever announced?

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Date Posted: 11:36:36 09/16/15 Wed

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Subject: This used to be such an upbeat positive board...what happened?

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Date Posted: 22:02:48 09/20/15 Sun

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