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Date Posted: 11:35:25 07/29/07 Sun
Author: Kim
Subject: A little late to the chat

Well I finally got to see the episode last night but the phone kept ringing you know how it is when you try to watch something everyone calls and any other time no one knows you are alive LOL! So I think I got caught up on the major events, Roland shame shame (caught me a bit off guard) and Pamela making a tough decision. Denise decided to give the nursing idea another shot. They did a nice job of showing everyone working together to help the lady who needed to move off post.
Didn't quite understand about Denise and Claudia Joy, seems Amanda asked to stay at Denise's house while her family went on vacation but I could not keep up with why CJ didn't want her to stay with Denise. CJ and Denise have patched things up or no not yet? I didn't really catch any scene that showed the two of them trying to patch their friendship did I miss something?

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[> There was a scene where CJ was packing some clothes & Denise was on the bed, they were chatting like they normally do, so the implication is that they patched things up. I didn't totally get CJ staying behind on the trip either. It was mentioned below how bratty Amanda was acting, & in the end she got her way. I realize she's 18, but she is living in her parents house & she should, at the very least, respect their house rules, & wishes. She had plenty of other chances to see Jeremy -- he's in boot camp, not deployed. I guess the parent in me got irked with that whole situation. -- Texasbrat, 11:50:03 07/29/07 Sun [1]


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[> When Amanda called her Mom from Denise's and CJ told her to have Denise call her in the morning, that is when they most likely had their heart to heart. CJ probably wasn't too thrilled that Denise had not given her the head's up that Amanda was there all day but after her lack of help with Jeremy I think she let it go. CJ stayed home because the more they go against Amanda's feelings for Jeremy the more she will probably cling to him. Also she might go and do something drastic like marry the guy. (Inside) -- Jubellant, 14:29:48 07/29/07 Sun [1]

Amanda would probably be sullen and ruin the vacation for everyone. CJ probably hoped to get her daughter to open up to her and keep her in the loop with respect to Jeremy. Once tempers aren't so heated perhaps she would be able to plant some seeds of doubt about the wisdom of dating Jeremy at this point in time. I hear you on the house rules issues Tb but Amanda would be the type to fly off the handle and damn the consequences. She seems to like the shock and awe method like blurting out that she and Jeremy slept together. I wonder what type of relationship she has with her parents that she thinks they would lie to her about Jeremy's behaviour. Her parents seem to mix with families of different ranks so her comment about Jeremy not being good enough for them was bizarre.


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[> [> I CJ stayed with Amanda instead of Denise because Amanda is her responsibility, not Denise's. Not good form to go on vacation and leave your troubled teen with one of your friends. -- Theresa, 14:45:46 07/29/07 Sun [1]


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[> [> [> I think there is some cultural difference here that I find very interesting to point out... I seriously do not get what the big deal is about Amanda not wanting to go on vacation with her parents. The girl is 18 years old, after all; a grown-up, for all intents and purposes, as many were quick to point out when it came to Jeremy and his taking responsibility for what he did. When I was 18, and went on vaca with my parents, I was the odd ball out in my class; generally by latest 16, teenagers here have enough of family vacations and stay behind, and parents let them. No big deal, no hard feelings. Hey, by that age, I moved halfway around the world for a year to take care of other people's kids! -- Colie - from Germany, btw, just in case you were wondering, 17:14:54 07/29/07 Sun [1]


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[> [> [> [> I could make my own decisions at that age as well. If my parents went on a big vacation I'd probably go, but if I didn't want to I didn't have to. I could make my own plans. Now, I think the issue that CJ and Michael had about it was that she planned to go and see a kid that she admitted to seeing whom they knew was abusive. I wouldn't go on vacation and leave my child to walk into a dangerous situation, I don't care how old they were. -- Theresa, 20:09:28 07/29/07 Sun [1]


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[> Truth be known, for me, it has more to do with Amanda's 2-year-old "go 'way, me do it" attitude. She was very flippant, & had a bit of an "I dare you to do something" attitude when she pronounced to dad she wasn't going. More in the how she said what she said, than the fact she didn't want to go. I'm from the Deep South in the US, most kids (whether they were 2, 10, or 20) would never have finished the sentance b/c they were too busy picking themselves up off the floor, b/c you just don't speak to adults, especially your parents like she did. If she had asked not to go, or said she didn't want to go camping, it would have been different, but that wouldn't have made for good drama, now would it. -- Texasbrat, 07:25:00 07/30/07 Mon [1]


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[> [> That's the problem IMHO with today's kids (teenagers included)....there is no respect, there are no manners, they are just incredibly rude & flippant. I'm not that old, but was taught to say Please & Thank You...to say Yes Sir or Ma'am or call my elders by Mr. or Mrs....nowadays kids call adults by their first names, & have no sense of respect. Amanda still lives under her parents roof, & like I was told, until I can pay my own way I abide by the rules that are set, & that includes family vacations. Amanda is a selfish br*t, & its too bad she doesn't show her parents (especially Michael) respect. -- Jennifer, 08:59:58 07/30/07 Mon [1]


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[> [> [> She should be more respectful to her parents, that's true. But I think it's unfair to "today's kids" to say that there is no respect. I have 20 nieces and nephews, literally. Many of them teens. And though they call adults by their first names and they don't have that wall of seperation where they say "Yes Sir or Ma'am", they are respectful. They says please and thank you, and are grateful for what they have. I couldn't live in a culture where adults pull rank simply because they were born in an earlier year. The respect you give should be the respect you get. Inside... -- Theresa, 09:20:45 07/30/07 Mon [1]

That creates such a separation that kids can't open up and tell them what's going on with their lives. It's difficult to be friends with someone you have to call "Sir" or "Ma'am". Yes parents should be parents first, but they should also have a friendship connection with their kids or they're never going to know what's going on in their lives. Parent/child should not be an adversarial relationship. Yes Amanda should speak more respectfully and kindly, but I saw nothing in her behavior that called for her having to "pick herself up off the floor." Weren't they trying to save her from abuse? Why would they dish it out themselves?


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[> [> [> [> My younger sister was all for telling her older sister that she was 18 and could do what she wanted. I was more the type to think if you want to be treated like an adult, act like one. Lay out a good argument on why you should or shouldn't have to do soomething and most parents are reasonable to have a change of heart to a well thought out dialogue. I know, not all teenagers have that maturity but one thing that gets my goat is disrepectfulness or rudeness. I know it's just a name and have adjusted to this first name stuff LOL, but I truly believe it makes a difference in attitude. A high school teacher of mine I've kept in touch with tells me all the time to call her by her first name it still feels strange decades later! -- Jubellant, 08:50:49 07/31/07 Tue [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> That's exactly how I was as a kid. I wasn't combative, I just laid my case out to my parents if I felt the need. So they wouldn't have to worry about me and what I was doing. That's probably why I got to do whatever I wanted. I don't like rudeness or disrespect. I think Amanda needed to check her tone, even if she didn't change her words. And I personally like the first name thing, and the other things that have developed that bring teens closer to the adults that are educating or parenting them. So many teens believe that no one understands or is on their side, if they feel a comraderie with someone who is older and wiser they'll feel safer and will most likely be more receptive to guidance. -- Theresa, 10:17:31 07/31/07 Tue [1]


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[> [> [> [> [> [> We probably won't agree on the name thing but in reality I think it has nothing to do with the name but is more about how that person relates to you. As Roxy said to her Mom I have friends. Speaking about names we used to have to address each other at work by Miss, Mr. or Mrs over the PA system and would to do it with a tongue in cheek sort of attitude. A co-worker would alway refer to our boss as the Madam which would get under her skin as she thought it made her sound like the head of a brothel, LOL! -- Jubellant, 10:40:31 07/31/07 Tue [1]


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