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Date Posted: 07:49:54 06/12/10 Sat
Author: Joel to Steve
Subject: Re: You mannned up, so why bitch and moan about it?
In reply to: Steve--to Joel 's message, "You mannned up, so why bitch and moan about it?" on 15:14:56 06/11/10 Fri

Hey buddy, how you doing?

First off, I had expected a message from you to announce that you was a daddy again, three times over, that the triplet boys were born on June 10 as you expected them to be. I have been praying for you and Amy, especially Amy that she goes a full term to delivery. Seeing nothing about births, i hope nothing is wrong and that the triplets will be born late as you mentioned they will be so tiny when they are. I will continue my prayers, until they are born.

Now to your message.

I see where your angry with me, more disappointment I guess. If that was to be an ass-chewing for me, I will accept it and SUCK IT as I still consider you a true friend. You believed in me before, and I hope you will now.

I know you have been busy, and your family comes first in my eyes!

If I can explain more (or probably complain in your eyes) about what happened or should not have happened, please hear me out and pass your futher judgement.

Bill who is new to the forum looked over past posts in the archieves and saw where Kyle and his dad had complained off and on and made remarks to me that I didn't get spanked growing when I misbehaved by myself and when Kyle and I got into trouble together and he got spankings and I didn't.

They saw where I was really criticized by Kyle's dad and Kyle for my not getting spanked by my dad who didn't believe in spanking me then, when Kyle and I broke Kyle's dad's window after we had been warned not to play baseball, and Kyle's dad said I should have been spanked, besides paying for my half of the broken window not getting an allowance.

Ever since that day I had been criticized for not getting spanked by Kyle and his dad, and they criticized my dad for being wrong not to spank me. Who are they to judge how a father should raise and punish his son? Besides, it surprised me them saying and doing this as Kyle's dad is one of my dad's best friends.

It would be like people judging your mom NOT spanking you growing up because she thought it was right not to, until you talked her for a whole day to let Jake's dad whip you with the razor strap for punishment. Wonder how she felt all those years being criticized and believing she was right not to spank and having people tell her off and on she should, like Kyle and his dad told me and my dad?

Bill and Rick wondered why I didn't "talk" with Kyle and his dad, to ask why they wouldn't stop complaining all of the time to why I didn't get spanked the day the window was broken, to why they had to keep making remarks and facial gestures about the incident; and that they should stop it!

I decided to "talk" and "confront" Kyle and his dad, from the urging from Bill and Rick, and thought maybe they would see things my way and STOP criticizing me and my dad about decisions made the day the window was broken, about me not getting spanked like Kyle got; and that they were not happy with and wanted to keep reminding me and my dad, and other people that "Joel should get spankings from his dad other times, if he's a good parent to do it, etc."

But the meeting with Kyle and his dad was really about the window breaking day to ask if they would stop complaing, and I knew I had a 50/50 chance in maybe succeeding and I knew I had a 50/50 chance that Kyle's dad still thought I deserved a spanking for that day and he would give me one. If he did it would be with his belt, because a little over a year ago he stopped using a paddle on Kyle and changed to using his belt. Kyle gave me that paddle, and it was the same paddle that he used on Kyle to spank him the day the window got broken.

I can be criticized, but I have a fear of a belt being used on me; and what of it that I took a razor strap spanking from my grandpa and lived. A guy can still have a fear of a belt being used on him, can't he without being criticized? Besides, I thought it was ONLY FAIR if Kyle's dad was to give me a spanking it should be given with the same paddle that spanked Kyle's butt the day the window got broken. Fair enough and RIGHT?

So Steve, I confronted Kyle and his dad, and don't think I wasn't nervous. Go ahead and make fun of me, it won't be the first and last time by a person older then me, and just because I play sports doesn't mean I'm NOT suppose to be fearless! I'm human, and get scared on and of the sports playing field!

I talked with them, as you can see in my post and Kyle's dad saw it as the golden opportunity to say if I was man enough, I should take a spanking now for the day the window got broken. Especially to make it up to Kyle when he got spanked and I didn't. I knew Kyle complained alot about that, just like I bet Jake complained about you and other friends of yours, for you not getting spanked for growing up; so I couldn't refuse to not get spanked to save my face, but not my little butt, so it was to be an agreement if I did get spanked the matter would be closed and not I or my dad be criticized why I didn't the day the window was broken, especially anymore about my dad not spanking me then.

So that's why I went to get the paddle to be used, and I told Kyle's dad that it was only right that it be used on me like Kyle.

I was shocked that Kyle enjoyed watching me get paddled, grinning during and after it happened. NO, I didn't expect him to cry for me like I did for him when I was a little kid, but I didn't realize that Kyle would get so excited about it and was glad it happened. I want to believe he did it because it pleased him I getting spanked to "pay him back" when I didn't, but I thought he would have a little more respect for a "little brother" paying a debt and respect me for it, and not later on continue to make rude remarks after the paddling was over and me leaving at the door to go home.

Yes, I remember you telling Jake was excited about you wanting to take the razor strap whipping and he was pleased you did, BUT Kyle made NO COMMENT to me that he was pleased I took the paddling for the I didn't get, but made rude remarks that I deserved to get my little ass paddle and he was pleased how red it got, and his dad made remarks along the same line. They could at least made them after I went home.

One thing too, you don't maybe know, without going back to archive threads is, just before my April 4 anniversary date of my first spanking in my life by the school principal my junior year, which I VOLUNTEERED TO GET SPANKED AND WAS MY DECISION ALONE, is that Kyle made remarks to be that I should do something to earn a paddling from the principal to "celebrate" that day, my first spanking.

I told him he was "NUTS!" and he didn't like that, and off and on leading up to the date he tried to think of ways to get me in trouble, to get paddled.

I knew he might try something, but refused to stoop to his lowness and never got paddled on April 4. Kyle admitted to Sean, Cody and Luke I should get paddled, and they helped to prevent it, too.

Now, does Kyle sound like a true friend or "Big Brother" to want that to happen to me, whom he calls his "Little Brother"?

That's another reason why Kyle always wanted me paddled, like dating back to the window breaking day!

So Steve, I guess I'm stupid to try to have Kyle as a friend or a "big Brother" ever since I was a little kid and worshiped him as a Big Brother and he "adopted" me and I "adopted" him, because we each needed someone being single boys in our households and wanted more!

I'm trying to understand why it was so important to Kyle that he couldn't understand my dad NOT spanking me the day the window got broke or his dad not understanding; but they should have respected my dad's discision that day how he wanted to raise me by not spanking.

It would be like, what if your neighbor doesn't spank their son, but off and on they criticized YOU to your face that you spank Jason and Alex. Would you tell your friend, "mind your own business. You raise you son your way not spanking him and I'll raise my two sons spanking them that I believe is right to do!"

My dad has told Kyle's dad and Kyle it was never none of their business why he didn't spank me growing up, until I insisted I be told last Dec. 6, 2009 and he told me the truth it was an expierment to see if they could raise a son without spanking, an idea from that Dr. Spock guy.

And again, I felt singled out and labeled that I didn't get spanked as a kid and looked down upon.

Didn't you Steve, until you decided to get Jake's dad to whip you? And you did it to please yourself and Jake.

I guess the day I got paddled by Kyle's dad I wasn't thinking I would be pleasing Kyle I was, for when I didn't on the day of the broken window. He never told me he was that day, just made fun of me in my eyes it looked like.

And things didn't stop that day either, about no more remarks, comments and facial gestures about me not get spanked the day the window was broken, like Kyle and his dad indicated they would.

Yesterday at baseball practice Kyle bragged to our fellow team mates about how his dad paddled me finally, because my dad couldn't, and told everyone about the day we broke the window as little kids. He left out some true important things about the window breaking day, twisted some things around to be untrue and he told about his dad paddling my little ass because my dad was afraid to. He didn't tell that my dad didn't believe in spanking me that window breaking day or being criticized by Kye's dad that he wasn't raising me properly by not spanking, etc.

So Steve, shouldn't I be disappointed in Kyle and his dad, and be angry?

Maybe I didn't man up to taking the paddling in your eyes or others, and I shouldn't complain about why Kyle and his dad didn't live up to STOP their not further criticizing me not getting spanked or my dad not spanking me the day the window broke; BUT Kyle continues to comment and criticize about that day and not live up to his word.

And I'm a fool to still want him for a Big Brother, I guess!

So Steve, sorry I disappointed you in my complaining about the paddling Kyle's dad gave me and Kyle enjoyed watching!

I still would like to be friends with you, if you still will have me?

Maybe in the future I can not disappoint you? I know in the past I have other times, and you've tried to set me on the right the path, and most of the time I took the right paths and you was pleased, but I still want to be my own man to make decisions, right or wrong.

And still seek your valuable advice, to make decisions on a large scale from all my buddies.

After all, if I can't please everyone, I can at least try to please myself, and my mom and dad.

Thanks buddy for listening to me. My best to YOU, AMY, ALEX and JASON...and hopefully soon to three TRIPLETS!

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