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Farewell videos are to be played at the end of the pageant. After the judging is complete so that the judges don't see current contestants as a previous titleholder. The videos were mistakenly played before the competition area of the pageant, in front of the judges, showing Amelia in crown and sash. An unfair advantage to her and a disadvantage to other contestants. (NT)	No name	10:20:44 02/22/16 Mon
Wouldn't the judges already know Amelia was a previous titleholder? They would have read that on her resume. Numerous other contestants likely also placed on their resumes that they were previous titleholders or contestants, and how well they have done in other competitions. To my knowledge, there are no rules about when videos are played. This appears to me to be grasping at straws for complaints. (NT) -- No name, 10:37:26 02/22/16 Mon While there might not be an official rule on this, it is in poor taste to give any contestant more attention in front of the judges than another. Playing a farewell video of a contestant that is also an outgoing titleholder before judging is complete would be within the realm of poor taste. As a general rule in pageantry, if you think it might look bad or create drama, just don't do it. There will always be people that complain about things, but this appearance of impropriety could have been avoided with a little common sense. And it still doesn't explain away the issue with the teens. Seems to have just been some poor decisions being made or things done in haste. (NT) -- No name, 10:59:37 02/22/16 Mon I fully agree with what you're saying, but I guess I'm confused about the complaint. Neither Adrien's, nor Amelia's videos were played prior to judging be completed, but a number of girls could have been in any of those videos. I think what's being taken out of the equation is the integrity of the judges. At this point, they already know each contestant's background and have interviewed the contestants as well. To worry that this one thing will influence the judging in any significant way implies that you can't trust the judges' ability to judge. I don't think the judges' integrity is in question; and the state organization has measures to prevent the local directors from influencing the outcome. Without question, there were examples of poor judgment on Saturday night, but ultimately they were not made by the judges themselves. (NT) -- No name, 11:20:48 02/22/16 Mon I actually don't have a complaint about the outcome. I was not there. I was just making a comment about the appearance of impropriety that a seasoned local director should have realized. I didn't see the pageant and have no opinions on the outcome either way. Having seen Amelia at state, I have no doubt that she did well this weekend. Unfortunately poor decisions by "management" sometimes turn what was a perfectly clean judgement and deserving win, into something that people will question. (NT) -- No name, 11:31:22 02/22/16 Mon Just for clarification, my first comment on this started with the "While there might not be an official rule on this" statement. I did not make the previous comments complaining about the outcome. I can see how these boards can be confusing. (NT) -- No name, 11:34:14 02/22/16 Mon They are. And I'm still confused by the others' complaints, but I do agree with your articulate, reasonable posts. They're refreshing. :) (NT) -- No name, 11:44:05 02/22/16 Mon Let me also add that Amelia didn't have a video and they never got Adrien's to work. None of which changes your point, which again I totally agree with: In general, "if you think it might look bad or create drama, just don't do it." But I didn't think there was any question that Amelia was the winner of Miss Springfield. I thought the major issue was the occurrence with the teen program, which has nothing to do with judging, but everything to do with the above adage. (NT) -- No name, 11:31:12 02/22/16 Mon

Subject: What are you even talking about?
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