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Date Posted: 08:22:28 04/12/01 Thu
Author: Remington
Subject: Re: Backswing
In reply to: GeneO 's message, "Re: Backswing" on 00:15:26 04/12/01 Thu

GeneO: There is always much discussion with NG, when it comes to the backswing. NG deviates from the way Moe does it, at this point, and most of the NGCIs teach to take the club back on plane, but Moe never did this.

However, when you don't do it the way Moe did it you will have a difficult time getting into the proper top position, automatically stopping the club at about shoulder high, and getting the club behind your ears. In short, when you don't do it like Moe, you create a different swing, which requires a strong pulling of the left shoulder and side, and a strong rotation of the left forearm, almost like you would be hitting a back handed tennis shot with your left arm.

When people try to swing like Moe, and take the club inside, they do it a CG way, or, a contrived way. Moe's way was integrated to his whole swing. You must understand that Moe's swing is completely integrated. You cannot successfully execute one motion of Moe's swing, unless, you successfully execute the motion before it.

Here is the primary problem that students have with the swing, other then being influenced by those that say to take the club back on plane.

Hear what I am saying, and please understand that if you get the address right that each successive move will come right because the swing is integrated.

Let me explain where things go wrong for students. Take a wide stance and put your hands on your hips. Now lock both knees, and bend forward from the hips. That's the address position. OK Now, take the lock out of the left knee and rotate your hips to the right, keeping the right knee locked. Notice that the left knee will flex straight forward (like in front of your person; not towards the pin).
The hips don't rotate much, but they do rotate.

This locking of the right leg to establish the swing plane is nothing new. European pros, in particular, used to teach this method forty years ago, and, probably, even earlier. Jack Nicklaus and many other great golfers do this, i.e., jump onto a locked right leg.

Geno now you will understand why the left shoulder rotates back just a little more as the clubs get longer, and each club rotates back the same.

Geno, if you get your hands above your head, one the backswing, you have to "pull" to get your shoulders level. That's not Moesque. NGCIs will try to tell you that a tall golfer can't put his hands behind his ears like Moe because that is not their swing plane. Wrong. The hands go behind the ears because you keep the right knee locked on the backswing. I release the lock on my left knee to start the backswing, but I personally think that Moe actually starts the swing with both knees locked.

Generally speaking, if you are having questions, you are doing it wrong. If you can't get the short backswing (you can go to parallel; just don't get your hands over your head) you are doing it wrong.

The swing is perfect, if you execute the swing as Moe did. It will only happen one way, because the swing is integrated.

In summary: The swing is integrated. Moe addresses the ball with the knees locked. You can release the lock off the left knee, in address so that it moves freely forward (as in front of your person; not towards the pin), but keep the right knee locked, and your backswing problems will be solved. It will just happen. That's the beauty of Moe's swing, is that it JUST HAS TO HAPPEN THE RIGHT WAY. That's the integration factor.

Whenever you read crapola like you should use the head as a "counter balance", or, you should "pull your left hand into the hitting area", or, "you should look back, like looking into a mirror, to keep your right shoulder back to start the downswing" (that was Shankland; huge error in explaining Moe's swing; typical CG crapola)you know you have it wrong.

There are never any questions with this swing. One thing just leads into the next. It is fully integrated. No lessons required. It's true. Once you understand this swing there are no lessons required.

In my opinion, over half of the NGCIs would contradict this advice, and their advice is the ABSOLUTE antithesis of Moe's swing, and I say "absolute", absolutely.












>This is EXACTLY what I do in the backswing that has
>given me consistency. I really had to focus on
>relaxing the right arm (without loosening the right
>hand grip) so that it would bend, otherwise I'd end up
>doing the "one piece takeaway", "maintaining the
>triangle", etc. with the result that I had a huge
>shoulder turn that I couldn't consistently get back to
>the ball.
>
>The only other thing I had to work on in the backswing
>was getting the club more vertical and less laid off
>(a problem I had with CG as well).
>
>GeneO.

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