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Subject: Universities can have winning national athletic programs without selling out. Don't paint everything with such a broad brush. It's all how it's handled, and we'll do it right.

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Date Posted: 14:02:22 12/08/04 Wed
In reply to: gorams 's message, "That's a whole other arguement. I don't consider the Notre Dames/BC's selling out. I wish Fordham would do the same. Its not selling out, its competing. However, this argument was about how Notre Dame (eventhough they've sold out) still isn't competing w/ the top programs. They still suck!" on 12:13:41 12/08/04 Wed

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Name one! (NT) gorams 17:45:08 12/08/04 Wed

If you don't know which schools run clean, winning big time programs I can't help you. Start reading. (NT) -- Rambacker, 12:25:45 12/11/04 Sat

In football, there are none. Give me one in the top 25 for the past 5 years that hasn't opened up the doors. (NT) -- Ramadama, 16:02:04 12/11/04 Sat

I'm talking about big time athletic programs, not 1-A football. Don't redirect the subject to try to climb out of the hole you're in. (NT) -- Rambacker, 10:18:15 12/12/04 Sun

First, in athletics we never do anything right. Please refer to next few schedules in football. Second, I strongly believe and the national media seems to concur thi week, that it isn't possible to win without opening the doors for athletes. Look at ND and Staford, coaches fired. N'western, marginal. Duke, Rice? Please. Michigan? Where are the great teams with academic credentials? (NT) An Old Coach 20:36:40 12/08/04 Wed

What a defeatist attitude. Glad you're not on my team. Stanford has won the Sears Cup for best overall athletic program many times. Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia, Xavier, St. Joseph's, Dayton, Cal-Berkeley, Utah, Gonzaga, St. Mary's, just to name a few that have been very successful in hoops or football. Get real. (NT) -- Rambacker, 21:08:49 12/09/04 Thu

I'm glad there is no chance you'll ever have the chance to prostitute our academic image over football, which is the sport were talking about. See story in Chronicle today about the graduation rates of bowl bound schools. While you're at it, name me a school with a great academic reputation that has a string of 5-6 years in the Top 25. You can't because there are none. Winning football without opening the gates to players is not possible today. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 15:03:16 12/10/04 Fri

I'm not talking about Div. 1-A football here, and you know it. You're just trying to stretch the subject to a place that supports your argument. We can win in 1-AA football at the highest level with full scholarships, and that's a fact. People like you who always have an excuse as to why we CAN'T accomplish a worthwhile goal are why Fordham has been mired in athletic mediocrity for so long. We can and will be successful without cheating in the future. It's all how it's handled and we will handle it right. Non-believers please stand to the side as we push forward. (NT) -- Rambacker, 09:11:20 12/11/04 Sat

Scholarships without a gigantic investment in facilities would be a waste of time. Even with scholarships, you are going to have to lower the bar significantly in admissions to get the kids in. No other way to build a consistant winner. It would put us where we are now in a better league. I'm not a non believer. I am highly doubtful of the University's commitment to the program. As you yourself has said, this latest facility upgrade is a bandaid. I will believe it when I see it. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 11:15:30 12/11/04 Sat

We all need to believe and stay positive on this. It can happen but we have to make it happen. That includes stepping up financially. (NT) -- Rambacker, 12:28:26 12/11/04 Sat
The FieldTurf, lights and renovated lockerrooms may be a bandaid, but they're a relatively significant and sorely needed one that will take us through the next 5-10 years while we work on getting better facilities as part of a strategic plan (which I'm sure will include upgraded basketball facilities as well). The fact that Fordham invested in the incremental upgrades at all shows me that they are committed to our success, albeit at a level reasonably commensurate to the stakes involved (non-schollie Patriot League). The real "stepping up" now needs to come from the alumni and students. (NT) -- DamnRam, 13:51:49 12/13/04 Mon

That's absolutely right. But please do us all a favor and drop the "10 years" part. (NT) -- Rambacker, 22:36:52 12/13/04 Mon
Re: The FieldTurf, lights and renovated lockerrooms may be a bandaid, but they're a relatively significant and sorely needed one that will take us through the next 5-10 years while we work on getting better facilities as part of a strategic plan (which I'm sure will include upgraded basketball facilities as well). The fact that Fordham invested in the incremental upgrades at all shows me that they are committed to our success, albeit at a level reasonably commensurate to the stakes involved (non-schollie Patriot League). The real "stepping up" now needs to come from the alumni and students. -- Rammy, 14:28:46 12/22/04 Wed