• What rumors are you hearing? What makes you think such a move is imminent? If Fr. McShane does decide to act I personally think he would give Frank the chance to retire honorably instead of getting bounced out. The unfortunate reality is that alumni support is not so high that threats of "loss of support" would tend to ring rather hollow. If we were ND (approx 50% giving rate) with huge alumni dollars at stake it would be a different story. I hope there is a change but it doesn't need to be messy or humiliating, especially if we're hoping to attract quality replacements. (NT) -- DamnRam, 15:51:32 05/06/05 Fri
  • "not so high, which means threats" (NT) -- DamnRam, 15:54:34 05/06/05 Fri
    • The rumors have been around for a while. The athletic department "problem" is well known among faculty, administrators, alums and students. It is arguably the biggest problem within Fordham's administration. Clearly if Fr. McShane is to achieve his goal of taking Fordham to international prominence as an institution, wholesale changes are necessary relating to athletic administration. The poster above is correct when he states that many are watching this situation. (NT) -- Faculty Member, 11:13:16 05/07/05 Sat
      • If Fr. McShane is to maintain a high level of credibility moving forward, he must make a change and hire a professional AD/VP that reports to him without a "filter"(Jeff Gray) for athletics to be successful. That "filter" was created due to the incompetence of the current AD, not for any other reason. There's no question that we can attract high quality candidates for this position, but only if the position reports directly to the President. If the reporting structure doesn't change, no good candidates will apply. This is an important decision for Fr. McShane - let's hope he's up to the task. (NT) -- Faculty Member, 11:16:40 05/07/05 Sat
      • I thought your first message was dead on. The second one ... not so much. (NT) -- Ramalamadingdong, 11:23:00 05/07/05 Sat
      • Just to clarify, the "rumors" are that Fr. McShane is going to make a change in the AD, or that McShane thinks there is a problem with the AD? The first would be significantly new news, the second would not necessarily be a sign that change is imminent. It is possible that McShane is just waiting out the situation, or that he's put it on his longer-term horizon. Does anyone know McShane's thoughts on this? (NT) -- DamnRam, 14:29:42 05/07/05 Sat
  • From a fund-raising perspective, the point ISN'T that Fr. McShane should fear a precipitous loss of support if he doesn't make changes for the better in Fordham athletics. (Our pitiful alumni support couldn't go much lower.) The point IS that by upgrading the University's athletic profile, Fr. McShane would be taking an important step toward reconnecting Fordham with its many disaffected alums, and--in the process--starting to cultivate more interest, involvement, and support among them. More.... (NT) -- Ram'69, 20:32:02 05/07/05 Sat
  • ....I don't know if better sports would cause a surge in contributions, but it might help turn around a bad situation. FU's recent appeal mentions how alumni giving is much better at ND, BC, and GT. Is it just a coincidence that those schools were EMPHASIZING athletics during the same years we were DE-EMPHASIZING them? Is it a coincidence that their applicant pools and academic selectivity went up dramatically during those years, while ours barely crept forward? The issue here isn't "threatening" anyone, but showing them important opportunities that we shouldn't overlook. (NT) -- Ram'69, 20:53:41 05/07/05 Sat
    • Its a morale issue and an identity issue. What kind of a message is Fordham sending to its students, its alums, its peers when it is complacent with the worst AD inc ountry? Losing in every sport every year? We deserve better than Frank, plain and simple. (NT) -- Liberty Ram, 11:01:03 05/08/05 Sun
      • These comments are being made when several sports teams are turning in better records and showing more promise for the future than they have in the last decade. Men's basketball, football, baseball, and softball are in much better condition. Perhaps the problem was Fr. O'Hare, not Frank. I had come to the position that Frank should go, just so that we could turn the page, but I have always suspected that Fr. O'Hare was more the problem than Frank. Consider a non-athletic problem like the WFUV transmitter. How long did it take Fr. McShane to fix that one? Why didn't Fr. O'Hare fix it? (NT) -- Rambow, 07:25:11 05/09/05 Mon
        • Interesting point, Rambow, but how do you explain the extra layer in between the President's office and the AD that we have? I can't understand the rationale for that move other than the fact that O'Hare felt he needed to be carefully watched and wasn't capable of running the dept. as others in other institutions are. Is there an explanation for that, that I'm missing? (NT) -- PA Ram, 08:43:19 05/09/05 Mon
          • There is an additional possibility - that putting in that extra layer was also a way to deliberately keep the AD from becoming too powerful, and thus siphoning off donations that the University wanted to steer towards the General Fund and projects it regarded as more pressing. The University does like to do everything centrally, as opposed to decentralized like the Ivies ("where every tub rests on its own bottom" as they like to say at Harvard). (NT) -- DamnRam, 09:04:57 05/09/05 Mon
            • I'm inclined to think DamnRam has a point: FU has run scared of athletics for 51 years (since 1954). I've always believed that Frank was a useful scapegoat for Fr. O'Hare. FU has had the Athletic Department and AD it has wanted. This choice has been misguided from the academic point of view as we have watched other Jesuit schools improve their academic reputations while doing well in sports. (NT) -- Rambow, 12:31:26 05/09/05 Mon
              • Allow me to provide some insights. The Board of Trustees Athletic Committee recommended to Fr. O'Hare a number of years ago that Frank McLaughlin be fired. Fr. O"Hare let it be known that he would be happy to see FM go, but let him hang on by the skin of his teeth when he tried to call Fr. O's bluff with an offer from Northeastern. There was much knashing of teeth by the Board at that point. But McLaughlin somehow survived when everyone wanted him out. (NT) -- FmrBDMember, 12:50:23 05/09/05 Mon
                • Since O'Hare had no faith in FM, Gray was allowed to run roughshod over athletics - the blind leading the blind. One needs to look no further than attendance at games for our better teams(football, etc.), the amateurish game event environment and lack of marketing/pr. and our poor facilities to see the ineptitude and lack of power of our athletic management. We need a new AD/VP that reports to McShane ASAP to right this ship. Many are watching to see how this is handled. (NT) -- FmrBdMember, 12:57:03 05/09/05 Mon
                  • In short, I think you're saying I'm right: Fr. O'Hare kept Frank around. Fr. O'Hare got what he wanted, Board be damned. You almost make it seem as if Gray has been the bigger problem. (NT) -- Rambow, 13:07:30 05/09/05 Mon
                  • The question remains Former Board Member: What was then and what is now the Fordham Administration's view of athletics (the Frank question aside) - Is it a strategic vehicle to be maximized, or a budgetary headache to be kept in check? I've sensed nothing but ambivalence on the subject since my freshmen year and even now still wonder whether they regard athletics as just some necessary evil without a true mandate to provide a real ROI. (NT) -- DamnRam, 18:50:06 05/09/05 Mon
                    • Here's something that's amazing: 2 of our best coaches, Softball Coach Bridget Orchard & Dereck Whittenburg are both working with outdated contracts. I hear that Orchard's contract expires at the end of the season! Here we have a fast-rising young coach who could be snatched away from us & she's without a contract? You've got to be kidding. And what the heck is taking so long with DW's new contract? What's complicated, that someone actually has to do something? This situation, more than anything, is reflective of the incompetence in our athletic dept. How can Fr. McShane NOT recognize this? (NT) -- Rambacker, 16:09:39 05/10/05 Tue
            • my question in my first e-mail to mcshane was "Has not fund raising caught up" to get away from this orphanage mode way of doing things. (NT) -- pjd, 16:09:34 05/09/05 Mon
• Kudos on an interesting and well articulated thread people. (NT) -- PA Ram, 19:49:54 05/09/05 Mon
  • Fordham grad Brian Colleary resigned yesterday as AD at Duquesne. He faced a similar situation to Fordham - he's been under fire for years as has our AD. Click this message for an article from the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette on the resignation. -- Rambacker, 08:00:59 05/12/05 Thu

• Thanks! Do you have a tournament schedule you can post? Good luck to the Lady Rams!! (NT) -- PA Ram, 20:18:57 05/11/05 Wed
  • Re: Thanks! Do you have a tournament schedule you can post? Good luck to the Lady Rams!! -- Bob Ahrens, WFUV, 21:16:09 05/11/05 Wed
• Re: Lady Rams Softball on WFUV.org -- A10source, 20:46:17 05/11/05 Wed

• I would like it to become Villanova.. well respected academically and athletically... the 1aa playoff game back in 2003 was terrific.. would like to play Lehigh, Colgate , Holy Cross often as well.. but think Fordham can garner more visiblity in the CAA... (NT) -- '91, 10:29:16 04/26/05 Tue
• Although we've played Georgetown 50 times (series began in 1890) and Villanova 28 times (series began in 1897), IMO, our biggest rival is Holy Cross. BTW, we've played the Cross 42 times (series began in 1902). (NT) -- ramMan, 11:05:37 04/26/05 Tue
  • including 1 in Ireland (NT) -- Irish Ram, 16:19:10 04/26/05 Tue
• Villanova. A Fordham vs. Nova game turns on the alums and students. I'd like to see us join the CAA in football and develop a big football and basketball rivalry with Villanova. Also we can develop strong football rivialries with Richmond, William and Mary and Delaware. Those are great games. Good schools academically too. (NT) -- FC-75, 11:41:10 04/26/05 Tue
• I agree that Holy Cross is our biggest current rival. What's a bit depressing to me is that our jumping around from DIII to I-AA football, MAC to PL to A10 in other sports, etc. has taken away from our ability to build up really strong rivalries ... particularly across all sports. (NT) -- PA Ram, 15:50:53 04/26/05 Tue
  • In terms of who I'd like it to be - 'Nova, G-town & HC are all great schools. Given their hoops' teams, I'd prefer to see something with Nova and G-town more, though. That said, the 2nd part of having someone be your rival is having them think you're rivals too ... so, I wonder who 'Nova considers their biggest current rival (UD for f-ball? Temple, Syracuse, St. Joe's for b-ball? maybe) (NT) -- PA Ram, 15:57:27 04/26/05 Tue
    • Re: In terms of who I'd like it to be - 'Nova, G-town & HC are all great schools. Given their hoops' teams, I'd prefer to see something with Nova and G-town more, though. That said, the 2nd part of having someone be your rival is having them think you're rivals too ... so, I wonder who 'Nova considers their biggest current rival (UD for f-ball? Temple, Syracuse, St. Joe's for b-ball? maybe) -- eric trefz, 13:59:13 04/27/05 Wed
• what about Columbia? or St. John's? (NT) -- Person who brought up Columbia and St. John's as rivals, 15:58:48 04/26/05 Tue
  • St. John's has no football team, and they are too chicken to play us in hoops now. (NT) -- The Red Storm is yellow, 16:28:05 04/28/05 Thu
• Columbia is now our local rival in NYC and a good one based on academics/football. In general G-Town and HC have the most tradition with us (NT) -- RamRay, 06:59:07 04/28/05 Thu
  • A rivalry, to be genuine, has to be felt on both sides. Unfortunately, we have very little history with Columbia, but a rivalry could develop. We do have long histories with Holy Cross and Georgetown. But HC's historical football rival was BC, and many Crusader faithful have a hard time letting go. I think we are more of a respected opponent than a genuine rival to HC. I don't see us ever replacing BC in their hearts and minds. (NT) -- JoltinJoe, 07:33:36 04/28/05 Thu
    • I'd like to see Georgetown step it up in football. The Hoyas are much like us. Most of their historical rivals have either ceased playing football, or still play major college football. There is great potential there, so we should wish the Hoyas well with their new stadium, and hope that they soon contend in the PL. (NT) -- JoltinJoe, 07:35:00 04/28/05 Thu
    • In '72 the Daily News back page reports 'LIONS 44-CHRISTIANS-0" and to me and many, that was a start of a rivalry. Today one of the most looked forward-to games at CU is FU. I think there is a Rivalry on both sides. (NT) -- RamRay, 07:06:46 05/11/05 Wed
• Rivalries I'd like to see built up: 1. Nova 2. Richmond 3. William and Mary 4. Delaware (NT) -- Let's Go CAA!, 17:12:39 04/28/05 Thu

New England college football traditionalists who worried that the balance of power would slide south when the old Yankee Conference admitted Delaware and Richmond in 1986, Villanova in 1988 and William & Mary and James Madison in 1993 will be able to mumble "I told you so" tomorrow.

The Colonial Athletic Association, headquartered in Richmond, Va., will officially announce that it is adding football and absorbing the entire Atlantic 10 Football Conference in 2007.

Losing football will relegate the Atlantic 10 to I-AAA status for NCAA governance purposes, which means it will wield less clout than an all-sports conference.


CAA will absorb A-10 grid teams
The Providence Journal

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• I'm surprised that no one has posted a comment about this report. There were many supporters of a move from the Patriot League to the A-10 a while back. Silence now. What is the current position of those who advocated such a move? I'm not informed enough to have strong opinions, except that I think we belong in a league with Georgetown and Holy Cross. (NT) -- Rambow, 09:30:14 05/06/05 Fri
  • I think the reason nobody responded is this has been expected for months. No surprise. A-10 Football will now essentially be CAA Football. I support a move to CAA.Football Fordham sits right in the middle of the league's schools geographically and is well positioned to travel north or south to play games. Full schollies will give us a shot at a national title. The CAA will be a great league. (NT) -- Rambacker, 13:58:14 05/06/05 Fri
• Re: CAA will absorb A-10 in 2007 -- An Old Coach, 10:57:34 05/08/05 Sun