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Subject: Fordham recruiting Martone Award winner

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Date Posted: 09:38:17 12/07/04 Tue

Fordham, as well as UConn, Stony Brook, Rutgers and New Hampshire, are recruiting 6'2, 315 lb. John Cinelli, offensive and defensive lineman out of Farmingdale.

Coaches know best

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Subject: Rutgers Football has a Billboard on NJ turnpike extension.. Its simple.. Rutgers in block letters and a football helmet.. I'd imagine in the summer they will post home game dates or similar.. I understand FU is not RU or vice versa ... however why cant FU implement this near GW Bridge.. FU could change billboard periodically with athletic fall/spring seasons... When will AD step up...

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Date Posted: 09:57:08 12/13/04 Mon

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Subject: Whither thou goest

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Date Posted: 13:13:07 12/09/04 Thu

Obviously this scheduling problem has been brewing for a long time. We basically have been playing the same schedule the last three years with some minor exceptions. The only Ivies we've played are Brown and Columbia and we lose Brown after next year. Apparently, for whatever reason (and I'm sure our lack of facilities has played a large part), we along with Georgetown are being boycotted by the rest of the Ivies who have no trouble scheduling Lehigh, Colgate, Lafayette, Bucknell and even Holy Cross. Apart from the A-10 teams, there are no other 1AA teams in the East other than the Marists, Albanys, etc. I am sure that our coaches don't have anything to do with the scheduling other than getting a "filler' game here and there. That is the Fordham dilemma...where do we go from here?

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Subject: 2005 schedule

big rob
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Date Posted: 22:51:44 12/06/04 Mon

Hey does anyone know the 2005 football schedule? hope to hear from ya soon

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Subject: Future Football Schedules

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Date Posted: 15:44:41 12/08/04 Wed







Sept.             3       at URI

Sept.             2      URI

Sept.              8      ALBANY

           10      at Duquesne

             9     at Albany

           15      COLUMBIA

           17       COLUMBIA

           16     at Columbia

           22      DAYTON

           24      at Lafayette

           23     OPEN

           29      at Colgate


           30     at Holy Cross


Oct.      1      OPEN


Oct.       6     LEHIGH

             8      at Brown

Oct.      7     DUQUESNE

            13     at Georgetown

           15      at Colgate

           14     MARIST

            20     at Lafayette

           22      at Georgetown

           21     COLGATE

            27     at Marist

           29      HOLY CROSS

           28     at Bucknell




Nov.      3      HOLY CROSS

Nov.      5      BUCKNELL

Nov.     4     LAFAYETTE

            10      at Duquesne

            12      LEHIGH

           11    at Lehigh

            17      BUCKNELL

            19      ALBANY

           18    GEORGETOWN





*As noted before the 2005 Columbia game may be played away in order to accomodate renovations to Jack Coffey.

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Subject: Since we're on the subject of scheduling - who is our biggest rival, and when should we play them

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Date Posted: 13:55:35 12/10/04 Fri

In football Harvard-Yale is always the weekend before Thanksgiving, same is true (I believe) for the Lehigh-Lafayette matchup. These contests always have a lot of anticipation leading up to them and are always very well attended. They embody to me the best of what legitimate college football should be about.

I'd like to see Fordham set up a scheduling rule so that our biggest rival (whoever that may be) will always be played on a certain weekend (whenever that may be, which I'll discuss first).

Having such a scheduling rule would enable a much more professional and institutional approach to what is presumably the most important game of the season (with the exception of post-season, of course). The University administrators at Fordham and the other school could plan around this date as one of the big mission-critical events, with rooms for receptions held, marketing plans, bookstore and food concessions, band, cheerleaders, FUV, travel arrangements, ancillary attractions, etc. all coordinated way in advance.

I think it should always be the Saturday immediately preceding and/or following Thanksgiving. I think it should always be a night game for several reasons, including the fact that it would allow much more time for tailgating, you can actually get other stuff such as errands done during the morning, there would be less pressure on our limited parking facilities with competing daytime activities, night games are more exciting, and finally there is less competition with other college football games (most of which are held during the day) so we might get more media coverage.

To make it a full-day event, we could have a basketball game on the same day (not sure whether hoops or football comes first, but it's nice to have options due to the lights). We could have a variety of activities (Mass, lectures, family activities, seasonal food, charitable activities such as a food drive for nearby soup kitchen, etc.) to help create a Thanksgiving-themed "holiday homecoming" atmosphere.

Now as for who to play, I think it should be either Holy Cross, Colgate, Georgetown or Columbia and I'll give my reasons for each.

Holy Cross - Fairly close, our sister school, and due to the Catholic identity would be great PR opp to showcase each school's commitment to helping the needy while still excelling as academic institutions.

Georgetown - Our sister school, and due to the Catholic identity would be great PR opp to showcase each school's commitment to helping the needy while still excelling as academic institutions. Not sure they would draw well and they would have quite a drive, necessitating a stayover if we do have a night game.

Colgate - Instate NY rival, strong profile in football and academics, fans travel. They would have quite a drive, necessitating a stayover if we do have a night game.

Columbia - The most obvious choice due to logistics and Liberty Cup tradition already established, strong profile in academics and improving football program. This could become a NYC Thanksgiving season tradition every bit as much as the Parade. Potential downsides are that they may already have an Ivy rival already lined up (Princeton? Brown?) for either of these two dates, and their league may have a lot to say about them having a more formal rivalry commitment with a PL team.

We could decide we have two or even three rivals and play Holy Cross or Colgate on the Saturday before Thanksgiving, and play Columbia on the Saturday immediately following Thanksgiving. The hard part would be choosing between Holy Cross or Colgate, and we could simply alternate them. But if I had to choose, I would pick Holy Cross just because they're a little closer and are our Jesuit sister school. We could set up a "Cardinal's Cup" rivalry game against Georgetown, which would always be played on the third Saturday of September and be attended by a cardinal (complete with pre-game blessing).

Now, to play devil's advocate to my own ideas, the one concern I have would be that entering into a formal rivalry committment with all these non-scholarship I-AA's obviously locks us in way down the road if we move up to scholarship I-AA's and want to use our limited slots to up-schedule. But since our Administration shows absolutely no ambition in regards to football scheduling I don't know if this should really be a concern. We could also simply re-evaluate our rivalry commitments if an upgrade ever does come to pass.

What do you think? Who would you play and when?

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Subject: An Open Letter to Fr. McShane

J. O'Connor
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Date Posted: 15:14:21 12/09/04 Thu

Dear Fr. McShane,

I write this letter here because I would like for other Fordham people to post support for my statements below. The release of our future football schedules makes it apparent that we are at a crisis point in the history of Fordham athletics.

For 20 years our athletic program, under the direction of Athletic Director Frank McGlaughlin and VP Jeffrey Gray, has suffered from poor leadership, underfunding, poor facilities and a general lack of professionalism. Now we are going back to playing football against essentially Div. 3 schools out of conference. Our other teams, particularly basketball, have suffered tremendous damage from the ill-fated decision to join the Patriot League in all sports in the '80's. We are still climbing out from under the damage from that incredibly short-sighted move.

I know I speak for the vast majority of alums and students when I say that the time has come for a change in leadership for Fordham athletics. We can no longer afford to be embarrassed on an ongoing basis by the lack of professional leadership here. You must be aware by now of the substantial dissatisfaction among all important Fordham constituencies with our athletic leadership and staff. We are one of the few Div. 1 schools in the US without an athletic marketing department, for example.

Please, stop the bleeding now. Allowing this incompetence to continue will only cause long term damage to the relationship between Fordham grads and our fine institution. It is taking it's toll now. We know you will act responsibly and do the right thing.

I say this from the heart.

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Subject: I thought Yale was on the 2006 and 2006 schedules. Also weren't we considering an Army or a Rutgers? And to reiterate, look at all the road games to start the 2005 season to accomodate the construction. Yet the Columbia game is still at home. Can anyone 'splain??

Ram It '66
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Date Posted: 22:53:07 12/08/04 Wed

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Subject: PLEASE SEND YOUR EMAILS TO jmcshane@fordham.edu .....I sent 2 emails over the past year and he responded to both.. He must be made aware of our displeasure with Frank.....FU relies on Alumni for $ and various other endeavors... we should be Heard.. Fire Frank MCL now.. If you send a thoughtful email Im sure McShane will take it to heart..

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Date Posted: 11:22:19 12/09/04 Thu

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Subject: Patriot League Follies....

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Date Posted: 09:10:08 12/09/04 Thu

What ever happened to Fordham using the Patriot League to "rub noses with the Ivies"? That was the main premise for joining 20 years ago. And it's come to this? After 2005, we play one lowly Ivy League team per season, Columbia. The schedules are a disgrace. Let's make our opinions known to Fr. McShane on moving to full scholarship 1-AA football in the A-10/CAA.

The Patriot League folly should end asap. Let's go play some real football.

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Subject: Frank Mc LAUGH-lin has done it again. Just when Fordham has improved to point of being competitive with some 1-A football teams, he downgrades the schedule. A game against Marist couldn't draw flies. Where's Army? Where's Tulane? Where's Duke or Temple or Vanderbilt?

Rameses XXIII
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Date Posted: 10:36:11 12/09/04 Thu

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Subject: Article in Observer details Coffey renovations

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Date Posted: 06:48:37 12/09/04 Thu

Fordham continues renovation of athletic facilities

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Subject: Future Schedule

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Date Posted: 08:32:38 12/09/04 Thu

I have been a supporter of FU Fball for many many years. Believe that I was the eight orderer of season tickets for the new stadium. I am neither a sunshine soldier nor a summer patriot regarding the program. That said, the future schedule is disgraceful. Dayton, Marist, Duquense & Albany in 2007 (is Iona going to fill one of the open dates)is the epitome of what has ailed FU athletics over the years i.e., mediocrity (at best) and a willingness, even a desire to "get by" with the bare minimum. It appeared that the football program was an exception to this approach but that was apparently wishful thinking.

Rather than write something, I would regret, will end this comment with a fervent thumbs down to the individuals (and that includes Coach Clawson if he was responsible) who put together this shameful schedule.

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